Anyone else bored?

Ok, Myrkwid I completely agree with you, and natuxatu I pity you for blatantly playing devils advocate here for the sake of arguing.

You say that there is more to do but he is choosing not to do it? Wtf? If there is, please put it up here so I can unravel the big mystery I've been trying to find out for a long time. No, this is a lie that there is more to do. If me and countless of other players cannot discover it, I surely think you cannot.

Your telling him to go away? What kind of mentality is that, to just be a pushover to dumb idiots who do whatever they want? I completely disagree, if I payed money for this game I am ENTITLED (not literally but under my beliefs) for the company to listen to the customers requests. What big bussiness actually neglects their customers and choose the narrow path that they want? NOBODY.

Yes, although I agree this game is ment for the casual gamer, what are you trying to prove with that that statement? That anyone who wants to play a game he/she likes a bit more should be punished? What kind of mentality is this, as a player it seems like you actually favor the company over your fellow players and yourself.

Sigh...

agree 100%

Who said that they have to be simple? Is there any technical reason why they have to be simple? Nope. And even if it is repetetive gaming, it would still add. I preffer doing dynamic quests over and over again than doing the static ones. What is your solution? I didn't see any constructive ideas in your post.
Or did you join gw jsut a few months ago? then I would still think the same.
And don't use childish here, or do you want to start a debate about our age? I'm sure you'll lose.

Argh, that's it, maybe my problem is, that I'm too old for this game.

1.) And what? Have I missed something? Nope. Maybe you play the game extremely casual, than you still have something to do.

2.) I already stated that taking a break will not fix anything. There will be very likely no real content being added until the next chapter. Even the "bigbigbig summer update" turned out to be a small 2 explorables extension, that even got smaller than originally planned.

Yes, I complain, as I'm very disappointed but still bought the game. I thought they would add more. And be assured, if things don't change, I will stop complaining....and buying. If the current state of the game is what it is supposed to be, it is not a game for me. I know it. But we are encouraged to post our opinions on the forums and so I am here and voicing my opinion. Either a part of the community, that is large enough, thinks the same and things get changed, or the major part is of another opinion, then it is time to leave. Simple as that.

Not aimed at someone special:
People who haven't finished the game yet can't really reply to this thread...and yet they do. Sad

Hehe mryk i kinda just wrote that

Arenanet should have polls before they release some updates...

The fact is, that the quests in GW are simple. Go from point A to point B. So of course any random generated quest will be simple. How dynamic can random generated quests in GW be? After only a few of them, they'll be like any other static quests in GW that you find so boring too.

My join date has nothing to do with how long I've played the game. I've played since beta. And no, I dont want to start a pissing contest about our ages. That's childish too. And childish means "to act like a child" and doesnt necessarily have anything to do with actual age.

Your method of reasoning is flawed, because if you think like that nothing in this game will ever change in content, it will just continue to change in appearence.

@lacasner


Hell, I love some parts of the game, just like I hate some other parts. Yet I still liked it at an average that much, that I still care about it and bought everything, even additional slots and CE's. That I convinced my guild members to pick up the expansions and to stick with the game. I always pointed out the game is like a raw diamond that still needs to be cutted into a brilliant. But lately the game moves into a direction I do not favor, nor see I real advancement towards the brilliant (that I expect) anymore. What I'd like to see is some kind of roadmap from Anet. Nothing specific, but they must have some plans for the future of guild wars. They have around 100 people employed painting and coding each day to make guild wars better, there must be a distant goal of gameplay they want to reach with gw. If this goal is clear to every customer upon purchase, there will be less people disappointed...maybe.
At least that would be a way to see if our complaints will fall on deaf ears as they are pointed in the opposite direction of the aimed goal or if they will be taken serious.

Well that's funny, since repeatable randomized quests will be just what you're arguing against. They will just be content with some appearance changes but not truly a change in content.

Unless you truly think that repeatable random point A to point B quests are soooo dynamic and innovative and much more fun than the current static quests.

I have red this entire thread from post 1.
I am bored also; I have been playing for over a year now and I only speak for myself here.

The game imo was alot more fun before this new series of updates. I decided to hold off on my judgement until I tried out some new techniques and play styles. We as a community were told that GW NF was to be more PvE oriented. So right before the new PvE oriented game comes out they change the AI to be more human like. While this is not necesarily bad, I want to play against enemies that aren't so flighty that they run at the hit of a space bar. The new expansion is more like a job after the first time through. When I would get bored with something before this update i would farm, I would run Guildies or whatever. Now i know this is still possible..not fun but possible. I generally don't play games to not have much fun. I have a job and prefer to work there, not in my gaming time.

As far as people saying that the boredom is only focussed in a small group, I disagree. My guild was at a solid 60-70 people, a group of 15 left to go to various other games. Not just left the guild mind you, gave all there stuff away and left the game. Out of the rest you would be lucky to see a dozen people on at a time, when asked where they went..They are taking a break from guild wars. My guild may be totally atypical; the only completely different one in the game but I find that hard to believe.

Again I don't speak for anyone or anything other thn myself and my observations.

I don't understand, if I did think this, I would say I agreed with you and not that I think that your way of thinking is wrong...


Ya, I agree, but i am afraid there is little evidence to support a change this game needs. But, maybe I have taken a wrong perspective here. Because everything happens for a reason. For instance, why is this game free? Not only because without this freeness, it could not compete with WoW, but also because it means Anet has no more responsibility with the game after you buy it. Thats it, the deal is done and nothing more. Yes, they know it will keep you temporarily hooked, but thats fine with them.

Because new people will come. Who gives a damn about the older players or beta testers (and thats somethign I'm not, Sid this is actually supporting you) we took their money and now we are done. Ahh, I realize my anger and rage are for nothing, for I didn't calculate the human nature aspect. If this game had a monthly fee feature a whole bunch of new things would be implemented. Players would never be bored. I don't want to go to WoW, I want to play the game that is really one of the best ever, but Anet is in control, and no matter how much I dislike that it will never change.

Why shall it be "Point A to point B" quests? Ok, it would fit to the current questsystem. But there are so many more options to use the instancingsystem.

Just take a look at any other real MMORPG (and not wow). With just some minor additions to the game there would be a vast amount of different possibilities for challenges that don't feel like fedex. Once the system is implemented it can be expanded even unlimitted.

But all in all it's just one out of many possibilities. There are enough things that can be added to make the endgame enjoyable, challenging and feeling fresh and interesting for more than the time needed to finish the storyline.

Double post. see below.

If you think this way, then why do you call the updates "nerfs"? Your vocabulary betrays your mindset. Learning and adapting shouldn't be our job, especially with the aforementioned "mostly-casual playerbase". How would you like it if you took one of these supposed "breaks", came back, and found that your entire character was no longer viably playable due to random skill changes that had effected you badly and secondarily when ANet tried to counter something they didn't like? It should be the businesses job to adapt to the people, not to become more RESISTANT to the wishes of the populace. When you have a hugely divided group of people in GW (with many different play times, countries playing, varying degrees of hardcore players, and such) then it's really not possible to call ANYBODY a minority. Ironically, I'd just call the people agreeing with the OP (myself included) a faction. The fact that you contradict your first sentence with the rest of your post is pretty funny. Seeing as to how you apparently were arrogant enough to sit here and tell people that "learning and adapting" was the only way to go, especially since we had, to paraphrase, burnt out our playtime when contrasted with how much we payed for the game? It was the company's choice to charge no fees, not ours. A good choice, at that. Nobody would pay $15 a month for a game that constantly cut them off from doing things that interested them and kept them paying.

Arenanet has their money. Whether or not we keep playing is our choice; but if they want more money, and want to continue existing, that is our choice. I just hope more people begin to realize that. I'm right now considering whether, if I had a choice, I'd go back in time and spend more money on these chapters. Meh.

Wow Bloodrose. It's funny that you start off about how people are flaming and then start calling people "F-ing idiots"

Then you go on some tirade about how ANET doesnt listen to PVE'ers and only cater to PVP. I guess you missed all the great changes to PVE in Nightfall...

Yup, just what i said (scroll up to read it)

Yeah, I just noticed that. I'm smoooooooth XD. Took me a while to finish my post.

So you're basically saying Anet wants us to buy the new expansions, to shell out the $60 every 6 months to play when they want us to play, not when we want to play. Is it just me or did you ever think of that comment before you typed it?

BloodRose, take a chillpill.

No need to flame, bloodrose. Tone it down or this might get locked. :-S

If ANet had a problem with bandwidth and such, they'd definetely be working a much different system. At $50 a chapter, they shouldn't be too badly set. Especially w/ the supposed backing of their parent company, which is a huge worldwide enterprise.

A lot of peolpe get fed up with the current support system at play in GW though. You have a valid issue, or concern and instead of having a direct route with which to even email the concern to be address (even a bug for example); we are told to go post it in the fan forums.
Once there, and once the issue is posted, it is subjected to fanboism and constant ANet worshipers that believe Anet can do no wrong.
When those two catagories do not fit the bill, it's the worst ones that claim "since they haven't seen a problem; it must be the person with the complaint", and therefore the world revolves around them and all must copy and adapt to their way of playing.
After awhile, the point and complaint is lost within the deep levels of crap and the player with a valid issue gives up.
Anet devs then must dig through mountains of garbage in hopes of finding said issues.
Sometimes, players can't even find like issues that someone else may have already posted; simply because the above people without the issue or have not seen/experienced the issue ramble on like a god without a point, other than to shoot down or derail real issues. This results in new posts and threads opening up on similar issues... and always complaints for the thread being once again opened... so more crap piled on.
Take this thread for example. It asks "Is anyone else bored?". It's a simple topic and simple question. The OP was probably looking for like minded people possibly to brain storm new ideals or even build up a list of things to forward as suggestions to Anet, so that like minded people could work together. - Instead, it turns into a flame war because non-like minded people feel the need to tell others how to play the game, go play something else or even just give up and leave.

So I sympathise with bloodrose; I too get sick and tired of the fanboism, the "go play something else" crowd and the worst "You're not playing it the right way" (in other words "your not playing it like me or following the current FotM). Valid issues and concerns may not be valid to everyone. If you don't agree with a thread, ignore it. If enough people with like problems chime in, then it's obvious an issue needing addressing. If not enough people chime in, then the thread will simply die off from lack of like minded people.

In close, yep. Game's pretty boring right now. Nothing to do but chase AI flee-bots around or farm. Yep, you can farm still. No rescent changes to the AI have stopped farming for any of my builds. I just finished farming Djinn for an hour. Don't like farming, it's dull... but it's more fun than chasing flee-bots... I haven't even finished the game, can't bring myself to play that long anymore... fun is gone.

Just my opinion, and I'll leave it at that.

I don't farm anymore because the economy is dead. The mods don't even matter anymore, and there's so few rare skins that actually go for a lot of money, that it's not worth it. I like my grotto 15k armor better than any of the FOW, so what is there to even buy, especially as a caster?

Yes, but I don't dislike fanboys nearly as much as i absolutly loath fanboys which are actually fanboy wannabe's and just sit on these forums and rant all day. At least the ranters are here for a purpose...

But again, there is no point of talking about this, Anet will do nothing, they have my 100 bucks and they're happy with that

I'm saying that Anet/NCSoft, like any other entity, acts in it's own percieved self interest -- a basic fact of human psychology and group dynamics that oddly seems to wholly escape most. Arguably Anet's best interests are not to serve the needs of the 'hardcore', as they use a disproportionate percentage of resources per unit sold. Arguably it would be better for their bottom line if they discouraged hardcore players, as long as in doing so they didn't depress overall sales. All of which potentially explains the direction things are taking and some of the upset resulting.

Is that really that hard to grasp?!?

No, but its dissapointing to accept as a reality

It's also a backwards way of thinking; unless Anet is trying to make GW into a fantasy CS or Quake.
Casual players, or "fairweather fans" will purchase to try out the game, then find something else that catches their eye and never return. Something the fanboys, flamers and "play like me or leave" crowd seem to want eveyone else to be. Why is beyond me, but it's always the same junk, "go play something else", "go play WoW", "this isn't the game for you" or whatever else is the favored insult or toss off of the month.
The hardcore players, those that have purchased more character slots, purchased several copies for different accounts.. those are the players that care and will ride the rough spots as long as the game holds towards being fun and entertaining.
Once the game stops being fun (as it has now); all the other glaring issues become more apparent and people become more vocal... we can see even many of the fanboys are spending more time in the forums than in game these days. They would never admit it, but that's a good sign they are growing bored as well... cause we all know, if we are having fun, we are playing the game... not discussing issues with the game.
I would take a simple guess, that if Anet were to fix the AI to a state that is fun again, many of us here would stop visiting as often as we would be tied up in game adventuring, farming or whatever floats the boat.

If you're bored you don't have to play. It isn't any more complicated unless you chose to make it so.

I want you to have fun and if Guild Wars isn't fun, please play something else and enjoy yourself.

That's funny considering it's not "fanboys" who "sit on these forums and rant all day" it's the complainers. And why shouldnt "fanboys" be here on the forums? Afterall, it's a fansite.

Well I'm bored with it, and its all very well people saying go max a title or something, but a lot of these cost in-game money, and the fact that theres no real way of farming to make money now other than pissing about chasing runaway mobs for hours on end for little or no reward kind of defeats the object of it.

Your logic is faulted. Yes, technically there are things to do but that is not the point, i can run around like an idiot in circles repeating things I have done a million times, but there is no point to that. Do you understand?

And if its worthless to you why aren't you playing your game with endless possibilities and stop spewing this nonsense on this thread.

If I come off as angered I'm sorry, I'm not particulalry angered at anyone here, it's more Anet's fault.

I'm not trying to be mean or flame or anything but if you guys are so pissed off, it really is time to take a break. Really, think about it. You're getting angry because you're bored of a game?

Natuxatu was pronounced braindead 20 seconds ago when he neglected to read the entire 2 pages he missed posting on and left some random tidbit that nobody cares about anymore just to spurr arguments! Further bulletins as events warrent!

On the other hand, I think I'll just sit here now and agree with lacasner. He's got the right idea.

This is the first AI change that has made the game an utter bore though. The first AoE change was not popular cause it hurt an entire class... however, it was still a fun game to play.

Part of the problem is that you felt the need to argue. You didn't agree with the topic, however you felt the need to enter it and argue opinions. Of course there is no way to argue an opinion. You will, nor will anyone (including myself) ever alter someone elses opinion. Thinking anyone has that ability is part of why the support system we have is so flawed.
OP was looking for like minded people to talk with, not for someone to further annoy them by arguing.
Further, you tell the players who just paid $50 or more for the game to not play anymore if they are bored, yet we have no way to get that $50 returned. This change took effect days after the games release, thus making that $50 hardly worth a value it is capable of.

No, the players should not leave nor stop voicing their concerns. In fact, we should be looking for a more direct way to contact Anet to voice these issues so they don't get buried in the "un-needed arguments" and other toss offs concerned players keep having to hear.

Simply said, once Anet fixes the AI and makes the game fun again (from all perspectives of long term play); then players will weather and hang on through the bugs and lack of standard online rpg things: such as auction houses, ability to alter appearance, lfg system... and more.

Although, surely I am 100% positive this AI change you speak of (to revert it back to how it was) is at least to me a minor issue, I am looking at a broader perspective at the entire state of the game.

As am I, but at least it's a start.

Because that is common vernacular. Taking away the gear exploit was a "nerf", even though it was the right thing to do.
Hmm, I have to do that at work all the time. My GW character will always be viable because I will always be fiddling with the build. Let's see, in Urgoz I used to be a heal party spammer, now I can be a Light of Deliverance spammer. More efficient. Should I be upset because a new spell blew up my super-secret heal party spamming build?

The point is, and it was made well by someone earlier, that the GuildWarsGuru community does not represent a large demographic for Anet. And the constant complainers are an even smaller population.

I'm really not sure what your point is here. My point is that it's a game, and people are always throwing tantrums when something changes. It's a game, not real life. Find something more important to spend your energy on. Go volunteer time to a charity or something.

Fair point. I agree with you. But what you're not considering is whether Anet should even care about your opinion, or mine. We are a very small demographic. Anet had an article about the distribution of cash and playing time. I'm sure we're all on the very tail end of the curve there, so wondering why they don't listen to our every rant is somewhat laughable.

Though I understand that some players ONLY enjoy the farming and selling parts of the game, I'm sure that these people represent a very small part of the gaming community. Pre-searing is packed, Shing Jae is packed and of course the newb area of Elona is packed. There are obviously tons more people that play the game as it was meant to be played.

I don't however, have the attitude, "if you don't like it then just leave" that some here have. There has never been a time in the 13 months that I've been playing, that I felt like the farmers were hurting the game or causing any problem whatsoever. So I can't understand Anet's choice to nerf the farming builds. Can someone name one legitimate problem that farming caused? I don't believe that the bot farmers even caused any problems.

It probably sounds like I'm trying to take both sides, but I don't see any reason to take a side. I can see the farmers and the regular game player's point of view.

Also: Some of you are really emotional aren't you? How about taking a deep cleansing breath and counting to ten before you post.

Edited for spelling.

when they have restricted threads restricted to posts only by people who agree than you can bitch about it.

until then i have just as much right to post that your opinion is total Bandini (the finest name in fertilizer) in my opinion and dont tell me just to ignore the smell as i go by .

you are free express your opinion but i am to shut up and move on?