Anyone else bored?

It's packed? Wow, whenever I go there i see about 5 districts tops (shing jae) and over 40% of those are practically just full of npc's. Btw, there is a reason to take a side, because whats the point of posting anything here if your satisfied with the game?

Learn and adapt? Why would the game less boring or frustrating?

@ lacasner: Apparently the OP wanted to discuss the problems caused by Anet's changes of the enemy AI and the nerf of popular farming builds. I believe that's what I did. My point was that for most players, it isn't a problem, but that I didn't have a problem with farmers or farming. You're just being confrontational.

Also: 5 districts for Shing Jae is a Lot of people. Of course it will never be as packed as it was before Nightfall came out. With more campaigns, people are more spread out, but having 5 districts shows that there are still tons of people starting the game.

You really need to take your own advice, Sidra. Disagreeing with my post is one thing. Calling me ignorant and condescending at the same time is, well...I'll let you figure that out.

Simply put, I'm not telling you how to play the game.

However, I believe that many of the posters in this thread are playing the game in a manner by which they are much more susceptible to getting bored with the game.

There is a very strong sense of entitlement in many posts in this thread. In short, people feel that they paid to be entertained. And once that entertainment has ended for them, they feel "shortchanged".

I completely understand that point of view. However, as I stated in my post, it is very much a by-product of effectively rushing through the product that they paid for. Yes, the nerfs have taken away some of the fun that they used to have after (or while) completing the game via killing mindless, stationary enemies. Yet, I don't believe that those aspects of the game were core in what they were developing with Nightfall, and in future series.

I respect your ability to disagree with my views. But to belittle the person making those views to try to put yourself in a "superior" position...wow.

Jet, you do agree with the statement you get what you pay for though, right?

Very good points, Narutoscryed. I always appreciate a very well put counterpoint.

Again, I believe there is a very good correlation to enjoying the game and innovating in the game. But that is another argument for another thread.

The base argument, as I pointed out to another poster earlier, is that players are looking for something to do after they complete the game. I don't believe that A-Net has intended farming and running to be the ultimate "endgame" after completion, which is pretty evident in their changing of the enemy AI.

However, if there is enough uproar, I can see A-Net backing down on this standpoint, as not to piss off their fanbase, as you point out above. It's a tough decision to make, however, as farming goes against the "non-grind" mantra that they've been promoting since day one.

Absolutely. Yet, you need to have a reasonable expectation of what you are purchasing when you pay for it.

A-Net has gradually been pushing us away from farming and running for a while now. The change in AI was a next logical step, especially coupled with the introduction of heroes as another means by which to play the game.

Again, I'm not slamming those that are claiming that they are bored. I am giving a reasonable explanation as to (1) the source of their boredom and (2) the things that they can do to alleviate that boredom. If you expected something different in Nightfall, then you have every right to feel that you did not get your money's worth in Nightfall. However, I believe that there are ways through which you can "squeeze every cent" out of that money you paid, such that you can truly get what you pay for, as you state above.

The problem is that there will always be a few that are bored. And among the bored are several different reasons why they are bored. How do you propose anyone pleasing everyone all the time? It's impossible. That's why people are telling the bored people to just take a break or play something else, especially since boredom is such a subjective thing...what else can people tell you that can solve your problems? Other than a drastic new change that you happen to like as well, that is....

But as someone said you get what you paid for you. When you bought Guild Wars you knew or would know the online experience may change if you read the agreement. You're getting what you agreed to, bored or not. I'm sure we've all bought games that bored us. I bought a game that bored me after an hour *cough* D&D:Online *cough* (my opinion!... though I'm sure it's shared.) Yet I moved on because I could tell that even with slight adjustments this still would not be the game for me.

There is a big difference to what I'm saying (or meant to say) which is if you don't like the game and are bored to try something else. If you DO enjoy the game but recently got bored after over a year of play then that is understandable and the concerns should be more specific (which some posts were) but others were complaining that Nightfall was boring after a week and if that's how you feel you're not going to like it even with little adjustments. Those are the people I was referring to.

this game is not the *neverending chapter*

it has an end where you *FINISH* the game.

i have seen a great number of people saying it was the best yet and *I FINISHED IT*

if this were an offline game you would play as much more of it as you felt like after *finishing it* than put it on the shelf until the next chapter came out and grab that.

just because it is played online does not entitle you to guaranteed entertainment for 6 months.

the best was the person who demanded Anet compensate him/her for the loss of income.

notice that almost all the bitching is

LOST INCOME
MORE TIME SPENT FOR EQUAL INCOME

attention farmer/big wheeler dealer the government is cutting way back on your farming subsity and none too soon

Also, it's inevitable that people will get bored of something after a year and a half no matter how great it is. There's really nothing that can be done if you're that bored of a game, except for a complete rehauling but that would ruin it for others that do enjoy the game as it currently is. So it's best to just move on.

I respect your opinion, however I really take exceptions to a few things:

1. Not everyone that actually appreciates why a change was made to the game is a "fanboy".

2. A forum is a place to express opinions and hear what others have to say about those opinions. Posting your opinion and expecting everyone to simply agree with you (or otherwise ignore you) makes a forum like this worthless.

I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions. But I sure as hell don't expect people to dismiss them categorically by labeling them or otherwise attempting to belittle them. Debate is the most useful form of feedback that A-Net can get for determining whether a change should be made or not. One sided complaints are not.

Remember when Monks could solo efficiently UW? Good times. Not particularly pleased with the recent AI/spirit bond/dreadnought's armor changes. Never before have I experienced boredom to this degree pertaining to GW. Farming is something I like to do, but the "crops" are limited now. It was nice have various options. Now I have two places that I know I can farm, both of which aren't terribly enjoyable to farm. I've beaten Nightfall(which I enjoyed very much I might add, but wouldn't dream of playing through it again anytime soon), and am finding myself... rather bored now that it's over. I guess I'll be taking a break for a while, as I've made myself sick of GW by farming the same two places.

I've experimented with several builds some using heros and so on, yet none worked. Hopefully something will change to excite some interest. Maybe some new builds and farming locations will surface by then. I mean, it's an online game. It should be able to hold my interest longer than a week, monthly fees or no. Anet seriously needs to reconsider the road they're going down.

I am not a pvper. I tried.. I just found I lack the natural tact for that. Too high pressure, etc. Farming is just more enjoyable, as some of it actually provides a challenge(and benifit), while the only person there to feel my short comings is myself, usually. I just want to be able to do something that I enjoy until without Anet breaking out the nerf bat and saying,"We don't want you to do that. Go PvP." That's just my two cents..

There was nothing reasonable about that random checklist post that you made. You decided that this thing was this way as a constant, replied accordingly, and ended up to be wrong. My guild is filled with people (and a lot of people in the alliance, too) who are discontented with the game. Most of them are still bringing other characters over, exploring the newbie zones, and whatnot. I barely see anybody posting here saying "i rushed. give me more stuff because i payed and didnt listen to the 'you've been playing for 5 hours, take a break' message". I don't know if you realized this, but natuxatu wasn't saying anything besides "quit gw". It got very annoying. More people (myself probably included) need to think before they post in this thread. We expect a GW chapter when we buy something. Not a radical change in the entire game's AI, completely nerfed drops, and an incomplete game. To bring up something that I probably shouldn't just to point something out- ever speculated on why the Prima guide was cancelled so quickly in tandem with the Nightfall release?

The GWG community may not be a large demographic, but it is one of if not the oldest and largest fansite (i think, don't quote me. I don't remember where I heard that) on GuildWars still in existance to date. 100,000+ members, people joining daily, and a 2 recent break of 2 million posts kind of defeats what you're trying to say. Like I said earlier, the largest demographic is probably those who don't give any input at all. Which is why in-game feedback (which would probably be abused ) and the bug-report-system being implemented might help them a lot. Anyway- this entire thread is getting more and more on the personal level and less about overall discussion and thinking (which is what it probably was about). I partially blame myself for that XD. I call too many people out.

But- I think we should at least try to assemble a neater list of exactly WHAT we're all at each others throat's about so that if anybody from ANet DOES decide to read this topic, it isn't dismissed as a gigantic flame war from the 4th or 5th page on. I'll post my main thing first.

Apparent conflict of interest between (what may possibly be a very small, not cared about demographic) of player and maker.

@ Sidra

Anet has the hour by hour logs of exactly how many people are doing any activity in the game.

the forums (and this is not the oldest by a long shot and i dont think the biggest) are only a very tiny fraction and varies widely in opinion from site to site.

visit TGH if you need proof on that.

Anet is giving the vast majority of the players what they have shown they wanted by how they played the game not forum whined.

whines can go any direction and that was not aimed at you.

good nite all

You know me better than that Loviatar - we've picked back and forth for how long now? You know that's not at all what I meant.

The point I was making that instead of jumping into a thread for the sole purpose of argueing (as some have); add something to it. Personal opinions are always good and can shed possible light to seeing something differently.
However, argueing to attempt to change ones' mind is, as you know, a lost cause and often cause to derail a topic or simply start a flame war to have a thread closed.

BTW, haven't seen you posting much lately... wondered where you were hiding.

my apologies on that as it did seem out of character for you.

really got to go.

nite all

Well, when I look at this I really see it as a question of ethics and motives:

Is Anet supposed to provide us with "new" content and ideas even after we've payed for the game, or is just black and white you get what you paid for? Yes, they have their money, but with so many bored players and people leaving to other games, what will it say for Guild Wars future? Is Anet content with what they have now, and how can they be so sure players will continually buy these new chapters being made?

I did not get Nightfall, and I probably won't be getting any more chapters until an EXPANSION is made. That is what Guild Wars lacks: expansions to its content. It abandons areas, people are just standing afk or talkign about pointless things. Of course, with no monthly fee expansions wouldn't be logical, because the company would be making 0 profits from it.

But still, it just saddens me a game with such great potential comes to this pitiful state because of greed. But nevertheless, the squeeky wheel does get the grease, so I will continue to fight for what I think is right, no matter what anyone else says.I payed for this game, I should be entitled to new content to keep me interested. Its not wonder so many great players like dirrty and ecto ftw are leaving, except people only notice them and not the countless others.

So, really its up to Anet, I doubt anything will change, history has proven hopes have been neglected, so people will move on to new games. Ehh, I guess I just have a sentimental feel to this one and my characters, like the wonder I first experienced when I was at pre searing.

Yes, but it doesn't have to be this way. Anet really doesn't seem to be doing things to pleasing others, just themselves.

Unfortunately, I am actually getting bored with Nightfall... Prophecies was by far the best campaign, because after you completed the missions (that were in a decent number...) you could go farm a whole bunch of areas, explore for hours, run people to places, etc. Plus in prophecies you got three challenging missions from Glint in droks, those where fun.

After defeating Abaddon once last nite, i was preparing my paragon to have a go at it then i think of my other 8 PvE toons.... As i agree with some of my guild mates, Gate of Maddness is beginning to feel like a chore.

But as many others here say, taking a break while waiting for gem prices to drop :P would be a good way break away and take your mind off the game for a while and catch up on sleep and return to the game fresh again.

First of all I want to say something about the argument to slow down. Veterans are way more experienced than the average Joe and play faster through content. Which was no prob if we could farm, chestrun or whatever. Yeah farming is still possible, but not as fun as before.

The 'Take a break argument': dedicated players and veterans don't want to take a break, they enjoyed this game and want to continue their gaming experience in THIS game and get better at it. You get good at something when you do it a lot. I take breaks when I feel like taking a break not because I'm forced to take a break while I feel like playing.

Switch to PVP: If one doesn't feel like PVP'ing, he/she just doesn't want to play PVP point. Nor Anet or anybody else can push them in that direction.

The argument that this game is not for you: Well it has been a game for me since euro release and now suddenly it's not a game for me anymore?

The nerf bat has been used too many times especially on the PVE community and the farming issue. Too much is just too much. Anet is nerfing to the point it gets ridiculous and it takes away a big part of the fun or endgame occupation.

If we see an exodus of veteran players it usually indicates a turning point in the game. It's not a good thing to happen as these players are in a way ambassadors of the game. The average Joe will play a while and will move on to other games anyway.

I have really taken my time with my Paragon, she's level 18 and still sitting on the Island. However, as I did with Factions, I did move at a relatively fast pace with my monk, (I had plenty of time on my hands that weekend), wrapped the game up doing all early quests, most Desolation ones, and a couple Realm quests. However, somewhere along the way, the game was "tweaked" and now attempting to complete those Realm quests just boils my blood.

I have been alleviating my boredom by dabbling with my Paragon some more, as well as hobbling my old characters toward the Sunspear Sanctuary areas, leveling their heroes, etc... For the moment, this seems to be alleviating my boredom with the latter areas of the game. I am still sitting on hope that some changes will occur to at least tone it down some.

On another note, someone else mentioned this in passing, but I think it deserves a bit more attention. In a couple weeks, granting that the current state of AI, bugs, glitches, hero problems, marathon running casters, continues, I expect a lot more complaints as the newer and more casual players near the Desolation and Realm areas.

I agree completely.

There's been banter back and forth about who is the minority vs. majority. I do believe that we are all the minority here, regardless of which side of any issue we are on. The vast majority of players do not post on any forum site. So, that being said we are like (cheesy post-election political reference) the "exit polls." Avid forum posters provide to Anet a nice slice of the differing opinions of the community. This includes our in-depth logical thinkers, novelists, flamebaiters, trolls, and great debaters. Most of the variations of opinions you find here, you will likely find in game as well.

Anet recognizes that by directing their suggestions and complaints to fansite forums, any subsequent answers will come from that colorful splice of the GW community. Every debate doesn't have to be right or wrong. Sometimes it's just your way of thinking vs. mine. Sidra is exactly right, if it's toned down and it a more orderly debate, (read less: Go PvP, Go play WoW, Go PvE, scrubs, Quit then....etc..) ALL of our opinions would have a much higher chance of being actually read and taken into account and consideration.

The only thing that I hate about NF right now is

1. the ramped up difficulty. (Cantha was ez if you know how to manage the missions, ie each mission had a quirk that could be used, even in the final missions)

2. the Sunspear points grind (I have 6 chars now, and getting 2500 on each is a bitch).

3. Leveling these annoyingly low heros. Koss x 6, Dunkoro x 6, Tahlkora, Melonni, etc. I know I dont have to level them, but since everyone is playing solo, who do I group with other than my heros?

Essentially, Factions was quick to play through if you were masterful at it. Nightfall is just an annoying grind initially, followed by a rediculous difficulty curve in the final areas.

i believe some of the "boredom" that players are experiencing stems from the fact that nf is really nothing new compared to prophecies. people loved prophecies and still do because at the time of release prophecies was new, fresh, & innovative. the "improvements" to enemy ai also contribute to nf and past campaigns having less value in terms of endgame content/replayability for non pvpers, which undoubtedly adds to said "boredom" for some.

everything gets old after a while, i just didnt think that gw would be aging as fast as it is for me.

heres to hoping that anet freshens things up in the coming months, cheers

10 pages about the game being boring enough said....if there is 10 pages of any game about it being boring thre is something wrong ANET THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG....they need to fix it or your next copy of guild wars will be few less sales regardless of the "cool" new things that you say will be offered in it(much like an elite mission in nf)

No. There are 10 pages of people arguing, it's sure not a unanimous outcry of the game being boring, get your facts straight. Besides, 10 pages on a forum is small potatoes especially for something so "controversial"

the key word here is HEROES

I am coming up with so many cool hero combinations that I can farm all kinds of areas alone that previously needed annoying pug tards.

My most off-the-wall creation as of yet is a taking 2 hero rangers and one hero necro/ranger, and creating a trapper team for UW. I have to flag individual heros and activate all their traps, but after a while it is just as fast as a regular 4 man trap team.

I applaud A-net for adding heroes and essentially raising the bar of what a creative player is capable.

Time to step outside of the box guys and get original. The canvas of Guild Wars is now huge and is looking for talented artists to fill in the blank spots.

If you truely want a hard and extremely challenging way to play the game, then Solo, while still trying to keep the survivor title, through prophecies until you get to Sanctum Cay. This means no henchies, heroes, anything. After Sanctum Cay, the game gets too hard to solo it. This will also turn you into the ultimate tactician guildwars wise in whatever profession you are playing.


do you know how hard it is to get a decent party, because everyone plays with heroes and henchies, or because players just want to take their heroes and don't care for playing with other players? I ask for help in a mission because I see hundreds of people, but wait! its only 30 people with 8's on their head, and they don't know anymore than you do, and are unwilling to help! It is annoying, and so I am forced to Henchie the game too, and even in the final areas of the game, its not that hard to do either after soloing it with henchies for many hours, even with the ridiculously strong enemies in the final parts.

I find that the only times that a party is formed in NF is in the last four missions. then after every mission, players split off, then meet in the next mission, not really caring to do any quests or exploring together. I played with another player named 'Poppy White' I think it was. We went through each mission, then split, then rejoined for the next mission for the last five missions in the game.



on the farming arguments, here is my opinion...

I don't like farming, I hate it, never liked it, but heck, I even farm sometimes because I am very short on money, run through some areas and kill mob after mob of monsters. But it with the New AI changes, it is nearly impossible to get a decent amount of money any faster than just playing through the game. Which by the way, 36 hours of Nightfall, without buying a thing, only selling my loot, and how much money do I come up with? well, guess! after the whole game, I came up with only 20K! 20K! thats it! and this was after several gold drops (most were useless) some runes (again useless) and several hundred Orange dyes (for some reason I never found any others.) I am sure that after I spend some 20 more hours or so doing all the quests I would end up with more money, but I still wont be very rich.

there is just no effective way to get any money anymore. I see very few, if any players with any expensive armors anymore. and the only ones who do, are the ones smart enough to do massive amounts of farming, gathering hundreds of thousands of Gold before the big nerf updates. Take the Gameamp site for example, http://guildwars.gameamp.com, I saw people posting screenshots showing all their loot, saying that they were ready for nightfall. with all the gold they had. Well I was dumb enough to not do any farming, which I still don't like doing very often, and now I have about 30K in gold, several gold items (all of which are useless!!!), some inscriptions, a green item, and thats it from Nf, no new armor, nothing.

the Incriptions were a really neat part to the game, but nearly all of them are useless. The one that increase item value to merchants, and the one that makes items highly salvagable are allright. I expiremented with several items and even got a ruby off of a gold focus item, which is where a quarter of my money came from in nightfall. but it doesn't really add much to the game as a whole, and probably just kills the player economy even more.

All the usual spots for gathering into parties and dashing through in hopes of getting something good, or atleast alot of gold, which would be the elite missions in Factions, and the Tomb of the Primeval Kings in Prophecies, are empty, there is no players anymore. And Elona even seems completely empty. I see people in Lion's Arch, and some places in Cantha selling their latest finds, but that is it. Everywhere else there is usually nothing, even in Elona, where most players have migrated to. They just keep to themselves now with the hero system, not even wanting to sell off their latest rares, because they want their heroes to have it, which for Nightfall, this has effectively killed the player economy. We don't even need to worry about an auction house anymore because there isnt going to be anyone selling there. Not to mention that many rare items are increasingly impossible to find.



what all this ranting is amounting to is this. I don't think that the game has become boring, heck just play through the last areas of the game, it will give anyone a run for their money for several days.

The game just seems empty, something is just missing about it now since the latest updates.

I think a key point to the problem here is the "chapter" structure.

I keep seeing a lot of people saying they have 10+ characters, 3000+ hours, ect ect... Those are numbers I'd expect to see on an mmo that has a monthly fee with regular large updates.

Pick up any other game with no monthly fee in the store for 50 bucks. Do you expect to get 3000+ hours of entertainment from it? Not really.

I think people are answering their own questions when they say they have 10+ characters with x number of titles and such. Of course you're bored, you've played the same game for 3000+ hours!

GW is advertised as an mmo, and frankly it's not. It's a normal multiplayer game that caters to a casual style of play. Anet just doesn't design the game around a hardcore gamer who uses up all the content so fast.

This has been Anet's stance from the start. I honestly think a lot of people here are trying to treat GW as a normal MMO, and that's where the problems arise.

If you're not here for the PvP, done with the story, and want to have a game that lasts 3000+ hours.. I think you're in the wrong place and a "true" mmo would be better suited.

My self, I only play GW off and on for the PvP and as something fun to do now and again. When I want a game with a living world that lasts forever.. I play EQ, WoW, or FFXI (have accounts in all actually =p ). There's a reason those games have a monthly fee, and a reason they last so long (EQ's been going HOW long now?).

If you accept GW for what it is, a casual multiplayer game with great pvp, it's very satisfying.

I just can't accept wanting "neverending" content for no monthly fee. Anet is taking a drastically different approach to online gaming, perhaps this is just the end result of their experiment?

If I wanted PvE Grind, I'd buy world of warcraft. The real end-game is pvp. I just wish gaile came in and talked to us pvpers as much as she does the folks in Lion's arch id1.

I fully agree (and DO play WoW for PvE grind!) PvP is the one thing that GW does leaps and bounds better than any other game.

Edit: I find it very ironic that just the other day there was a huge post here flaming the gamespot review of NF for having the view that it's "the same old thing". Just goes to show the dichotomy of the forum community ^^

@ Quintal

I have only one character that has been through all three campaigns, and I also have a PvP character. that is it. and I only have 450 hours of playing in 14 months. I am not a PvE grinder, nor a PvP grinder, I just play Guildwars to play it.

And you do make a good point, but then again, everyone here does have a good point too. ANET and NCsoft did advertise it originally as an MMORPG with "NO MONTHLY FEES!!!!" which is how they got two million players to begin with, which is also the reason why six months later they lose half a million players because ANet can't add any free content because of their strict schedule of releasing new games every six months.


which is why they sell PvP editions of all three games.

Even though I'm mostly a PVE guy, I have to agree that GW is geared towards PVP and not a "true" MMO. So yeah, I have to scratch my head whenever I see complaints that there's no "endgame" stuff to do for PVE players, didnt you realize that this was a "budget" type game? And these people expect too much from a non monthly fee casual player oriented game like this. If anything, this game has a LOT of value and content for what you're paying for.

Let me give an example of me. As most humans I like variety, but unlike them I accept change.
I play PvE around 1-2 hours per 2-3 days and I get somewhat bored with it, as probably with the many games I played. For pvp (with my guild) this time is a lot longer than hour or two (especially when you get excited), but this is personal preference.
So getting back to the point. The good side of GW (for me) is that even I play that little I still can go to all areas and I offer equal competive technical level for PvP (of course the player skills differ here a lot, but that is not the point). I like GW because it is a game, that does not force you to stay and "play" as some mmorpg out there that have all lost their "G for game" since they began to praise the grind.
I play a lot other games too, now the new NWN2, even will try Gothic 3 when some descent patch fixes the major bugs. But this do not stop me from playing GW. It is funny how some people declair - I STOP GW CUZ OF xxx UPDATE, I GO TO NWN2. Life is complex thing, you should not force yourself to only 1 thing otherwise you risk at the age of 40 to get bored of everything for 1 hour.
Quintal said it good - add variety and you will be happy playing all games for long time

I agree with the poster.

Prophecies offered a lot of variety of things to do at the end of the game for those who liked PvE. (Farming, Running Services, etc.)

Now the PvE seems to be a grind because of locked areas and the need to grind sunspear rank to continue further.

The things that I thought were done right were.

AI was good
Ability to run anywhere without having to follow the strict primary quests
The ability to gain skills from quests


Those were good things in my opinion that should've remained the core of the game.

This game has 100 times more pve content than pvp content. And frankly this has nothing to do with you pvp players. It's about the ai changes, farming nerfs, etc. I don't want the WOW grind which is comparing apples with oranges. I want to play gw like it was for over a year since prophecies was released. We had a strong pve community, a strong market with it's ups and downs.

So don't come in here with your pvp attitude and lecture us, if it wasn't for the pve player base this game wouldn't be what it is today. And Anet knew this.

Yes how would it hurt you people who are trying to defend what we are complaining about, how would them putting it back the way it is hurt you? What I am asking is why are you defending something when it's not going to hurt you in anyway, in fact in might benefit you?

I see that you who are defending are trying to give debate to this but I'm asking why, what does it do for you and why, if Anet changes it back, will that hurt you?

10 pages and I am still awake.

I am bored. I have not finished nightfall. I never have farmed. I cant pvp worth a dammn.

Why am I bored? Well I tend to agree with many of the posters here, and then I do have some of my own opinions.
When factions came out everyone complained it was too short and such....if nightfall had come out before factions I think people would have been happier.

However; I do feel that with recent changes to the ai and the hero system that the game is a totally different game then what I had intended to buy. As a caster I dont really care that the monsters run around, just means my camera makes me dizzy with turning me round and round. I DO, however; care that the drops have been horrible at best (I got 6 sets of non-max steel daggers from non-assassin monsters....why so many daggers????) and not a single gold drop worth more than 90 gold so far. (and only 1 gold drop since I started playing nf.....arrrgh ). AND the hero system-----it just sucks. Now we dont have to pug, we can just use our own heros......if I am not mistaken wasnt this game called GUILD wars, not heros r us????????? I never have to look for a pug again, which means I really dont need to have this be an internet game anylonger. Secondly with 14 heros for each of my characters just working with them makes me tired. Yes, I do understand that all of the heros dont need to be level 20, but at some point each one is needed for some quest or other and having a level 6 or 10 character dying in the level 24 mobs and having to redo the quest just doesnt make me a happy camper.

I have been trying for titles....my tyrian monk has 3 titles already and just .4% short of another one.....I have spent hours and hours getting masters on missons, doing bonuses and just mapping areas with 6 toons....I dont feel like doing this in nightfall for some reason. Prophecy missions I still do and like doing, even some of the faction areas are fun to visit (not the slums though). I just cant see myself trying to get all 8 of my non-mule characters thru nightfall. I have already given up on my paragon who had made it to 130K xp when I died---just dont feel like playing her anymore (yes I did read the post about this...) so she is now a mule as well.
Other things of interest in game content----armor. Factions had neat new armor that I wanted for most of my characters (ok my monk didnt want any, but he is the only male character I have as well).....nightfall armors, besides being blank and needing to buy more insignias for them arent that neat. Only the mesmer and the ele armors even slightly implore me to get them....the others are just horrid!

So in short I believe that I may be bored because there is just too much to do ---leveling heros and 20 missions of kiting ai-s for 8 toons AND then no reward for finishing the game, heck no rewards along the way either, eg no good drops, chests have been nerfed, are there greens in elona? I have seen none.....just seems so pointless now to do this with all of my toons. And with the bad drops just trying to get money to get those dang insignias and new skills, etc is just not worth it. Bored, overwhlemed, and underwhelmed all at the same time. Think they did a good job getting all that in just one expansion and update.

And no, I probably wont be buying another chapter either, they have all the money I wish to give them already. So I spend most of my day now here on this forum, reading other posts and looking at horrible screenshots threads and some good ones as well......

sorry for the long post....and before anyone rebutes me....this is MY opinion and I dont really care if you dont agree with it, I am just stating it as is my right on this subject on this forum. (until I am otherwise banned).

Well I guess ur not the only one considering this topic is on page 11 already... I fell quite alike and I havent even finish the game with my prophecies ranger yet.. I just came to desolation but now i havent played this game for the last 3 days... Why? because I am bored.

Quests are still so lame.. cmon.. they listen to comunity.. there were so many topics about this. Nobody wants the damn XP quests, nobody needs XP.. What kind of reward is that. If u need lots of XP go to UW and do 10k quests.. they r more fun and at least u have a chance to get ecto on a way.

And for those who whine about PvEers complaining... PvE is keeping this game where is it.. Sent us all PvEers away and i dont see how profitable PvPers will be to anet ( i think there is like 70% PvEers here in GW.. dont quote me on that.. i read it somewhere ) so if anet wants some more money from me than i would expect to see some real PvE enviroment and mechanics... not just one-time use(play) game. There were many single player games which i played over and over again. I would expect form CORPG at least to offer more than ordinary singleplayer games sorry.