I am starting his forum / petition / poll because I for one think that it is due time for there to be some punishment for people in random arenas who leave at start. The name "Random Arena" is more and more meaning "random number of people stay" rather then "random team build".
I am starting this petition / poll in hope that Anet may implement something as I have heard other games do. I would like to see, if player leaves within first minute of battle then they cannot reenter arena for 10 mins or such.....
From playing alot of arenas off and on, I see alot of other players who would also like some change in this, and I am hoping that they put their name on this forum / petition / poll.
If you would like to see some type of change, please post your thoughts here, or just sign your name and vote.
**Note that I am saying within first minute they leave, if your house catches fire or such, and you are afk and die, so be it (from everyones replies) Staying for 1 minute isnt the end of th world, even if you have 4 monks on your team**
If you are not directly replying to my statement, then please don't reply.
Please do not turn this into an argument, and if I posted it in wrong area can admin please move it to correct location.
Recommended Update: Punish Rage Quitters In Ra
max gladius
Amity and Truth
Too many valid reasons to leave a match in RA.
Plus this has been discussed to death in Sardellac Sanetarium (where this thread should be :P)
/not signed
Plus this has been discussed to death in Sardellac Sanetarium (where this thread should be :P)
/not signed
Lt.Crumpet
personally, id like to see a 100 faction penalty for leaving RA before a battle's completion. enuf to make repeat ragequiters hurt, not enuf to piss off the guy who really did err7.
Thomas.knbk
Stupid idea.
Plus I've been to RA for a few hours today, and I've had 3 matches where someone left. People are making more out of the problem then it is.
Ever been in a 3 monk vs. 3 monk RA battle? I can tell you, that's a totally valid reason to leave.
Plus I've been to RA for a few hours today, and I've had 3 matches where someone left. People are making more out of the problem then it is.
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Originally Posted by max gladius
I am starting this petition in hope that Anet may implement something as I have heard other games do. I would like to see, if player leaves within first minute of battle then they cannot reenter arena for 20 mins or such. Or, if person leaves before anyone dies, they get punished.....
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KvanCetre
What if /resigning didn't trigger the punishment
I Brother Bloood I
This is a rant.
Legendary Shiz
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What if /resigning didn't trigger the punishment
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And hardcore /notsigned. Miserable idea.
tbh [email protected] taking RA somewhat seriously
Wretchman Drake
RA shouldn't be taken seriously. The other day I went in RA just to record me swinging a Fellblade for a GW vid with a Vamp Gaze at 0 Blood and nothing in swordsmanship. In fact I wasn't even a warrior secondary.
It's a place to "practice" builds that should be later used in ORGANIZED forms of PvP, or a place to gain faction. You aren't in a tournament when you enter RA so relax. I know it is sometimes frustrating but please understand RA has a long history of quitters and noobs and it always will. =/
It's a place to "practice" builds that should be later used in ORGANIZED forms of PvP, or a place to gain faction. You aren't in a tournament when you enter RA so relax. I know it is sometimes frustrating but please understand RA has a long history of quitters and noobs and it always will. =/
Desires
Not signed how about instead they punish people who whine about stuff like this as its far more annoying.
Neo Nugget
/notsigned.
Malice Black
/not signed
People can quit if they want there is now law or rule against it. If I get a call from a friend to go out on the town then I'll quit in a heartbeat..real life>games.
People can quit if they want there is now law or rule against it. If I get a call from a friend to go out on the town then I'll quit in a heartbeat..real life>games.
xiao1985
/not signed...
when i see 3 monks on my team, i'd rather quit and rejoin rather than raving on 20 minutes without a clear winner (which happened once, by the way)
when i see 3 monks on my team, i'd rather quit and rejoin rather than raving on 20 minutes without a clear winner (which happened once, by the way)
Chicken Ftw
People still play in RA... ... why? ... All I've ever seen there was an assortment of unskilled scrubs, the types you'd see whining about nerfing a mission because they can't beat it with their Echo Frenzy W/Me. You're telling me people still willingly join groups of these people to fight others with equally crap builds? Wow. I don't want to hear "it's fun", it takes a masochist to enjoy playing alongside morons. I don't blame people for leaving at all.
I understand that there will be griefers who join and quit because they're idiots. But how would you punish solely those people, and not people with legitimate excuses to leave?
/unsigned
I understand that there will be griefers who join and quit because they're idiots. But how would you punish solely those people, and not people with legitimate excuses to leave?
/unsigned
Not A Fifty Five
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People still play in RA... ... why? ... All I've ever seen there was an assortment of unskilled scrubs, the types you'd see whining about nerfing a mission because they can't beat it with their Echo Frenzy W/Me. You're telling me people still willingly join groups of these people to fight others with equally crap builds? Wow. I don't want to hear "it's fun", it takes a masochist to enjoy playing alongside morons. I don't blame people for leaving at all.
I understand that there will be griefers who join and quit because they're idiots. But how would you punish solely those people, and not people with legitimate excuses to leave? /unsigned |
Oh and on topic, no way in hell. I leave quite a lot, usually when my team has a stupid runner in it and we've lost already but he refuses to give up.
/unsigned
Redfeather1975
Don't they still have it where you need to win 5 consecutive in RA to start unlocking the other arenas?
If that's still how it goes I can both understand why some people just quit after seeing who they are grouped with and why other people are very frustrated with the quitters.
If that rule is still there, they should tweak it somewhat and I have no idea how.
If that's still how it goes I can both understand why some people just quit after seeing who they are grouped with and why other people are very frustrated with the quitters.
If that rule is still there, they should tweak it somewhat and I have no idea how.
Riotgear
They already do punish rage quitting: You don't get your 20 Balth faction for winning. Whoopdedoo.
If you can't even understand why people play in RA, then why are you in this conversation?
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People still play in RA... ... why?
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Chicken Ftw
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If you can't even understand why people play in RA, then why are you in this conversation?
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Gigashadow
If it's implemented, the punishment should be very short, like 2 minutes. That's long enough to convince people it's worthwhile to stay in the match (as these matches often last around a minute anyway).
Dalimoor_Kalkire
Say your error 7, lose power, computer crashses, freezes, automatic updates for Windows kicks you, wireless connection has a hiccup, the phone rings, the doorbell rings, something starts to burn in the oven, soup on the stove bowls over, video card dies, motherboard fries, monitor goes out, dog wants out, pizza guy is at the door, police are at the door, your kids need your help, wife needs your help, husband needs your help, baby is crying, smoke alarm goes off, wireless mouse runs out of batteries, wireless keyboard runs out of batteries, power surge to your computer hits, you fall alseep at the helm, forgot about your dentist oppointment, doctors visit, have to pick up kids from school, from sports, from extra curricular activities, house starts to flood, tornado is coming, hurricane is rising, or a stampeed of chickens leveled your home...yeah...don't think punishing people for leaving is fair. It's not always their fault. We don't know the circumstances.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
People still play in RA... ... why? ... All I've ever seen there was an assortment of unskilled scrubs, the types you'd see whining about nerfing a mission because they can't beat it with their Echo Frenzy W/Me. You're telling me people still willingly join groups of these people to fight others with equally crap builds? Wow. I don't want to hear "it's fun", it takes a masochist to enjoy playing alongside morons. I don't blame people for leaving at all.
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Anyway, people still play GvG......why? All I've ever seen there is a bunch of elitist asshats, the type you'd see whining about nerfing thumperway because they can't beat it with their cookie cutter balanced team. You're telling me people willingly join these groups of people to fight other people with equally elitist crap and FOTM builds? Wow. I don't want to hear "It's fun" because it takes a masochist to enjoy playing alongside close-minded jerks. I don't blame the people who manipulated the ladder at all.
Thom Bangalter
Petitions make me want to ragequit life. Especially ones with little or no point. Especially ones where someone got so mad in random arena of all places that they feel anet should be adressing this issue.
shardfenix
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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
Too many valid reasons to leave a match in RA.
Plus this has been discussed to death in Sardellac Sanetarium (where this thread should be :P) /not signed |
1: At least 2 other people rage first (3v4 is still easy to win)
2: Your internet blows up.
There are zero other reasons to leave. By clicking enter mission you accept that you will be playing with mending wammos and touch rangers. If you don't like that, go to TA or PvE.
/signed
Not A Fifty Five
yeah. except reason #1 happens to happen a lot. And I like saving that 30 seconds.
Xapheus
/signed
Why would people be against this? There are times when I just want to 'relax' on RA, get some Gladiator points, but time and time again I randomly end up with rage quitters.
Or I'm on a winning streak and after game 9 someone has to leave. Game 10 starts with this new guy who doesn't know that this game will give a gladiator point, and just leaves because there's no monk. For wasting my time, the person that left should definitely have a penalty.
Why would people be against this? There are times when I just want to 'relax' on RA, get some Gladiator points, but time and time again I randomly end up with rage quitters.
Or I'm on a winning streak and after game 9 someone has to leave. Game 10 starts with this new guy who doesn't know that this game will give a gladiator point, and just leaves because there's no monk. For wasting my time, the person that left should definitely have a penalty.
African War Lord
Don't feel bad max. I tried bringing this up awhile ago and got the same bullshit responses that your getting now. Only a true ragequitter himself would not want something done about this.
Most common issue that comes up is what if people have legit reason for leaving? That's hard to get around and I had suggested that instead of punishing mr. cool that quit, you give a small boost to the remaining players.
But noone here really cares. It's just RA they say. I think it's stupid that it's even possible that you can just leave a match with no retribution whatsoever but it's out of my control. Anet is well aware of it but it's all gvg for them.
Most common issue that comes up is what if people have legit reason for leaving? That's hard to get around and I had suggested that instead of punishing mr. cool that quit, you give a small boost to the remaining players.
But noone here really cares. It's just RA they say. I think it's stupid that it's even possible that you can just leave a match with no retribution whatsoever but it's out of my control. Anet is well aware of it but it's all gvg for them.
Xapheus
If people have legit reasons, certainly the legit reasons won't happen 50 times a day. That's why I posted a thread (before seeing this one) about stacked penalties. The first time you "quit" it's no penalty, but after that it stacks. The penalties could reset daily or something.
Not A Fifty Five
HMmm no it actually does happen 50 times a day. Here's an example of a time to leav RA.
You're dead, nobody has res, you have a bunch of non spikers, and the other team has a monk.
You're opposition has two monks and your team has no spike power
Both teams have two monks
The enemy has a monk and a touch ranger, and your idiot teammates insist on trying to kill the lifestealing, self healing ranger who also gets healing from the monk for 5 minutes
Irl reasons
Computer crashes
You have an Afker
Somebody doesnt load and your team sucks
your team is the one in 100 that enters the guild wars hall of fame of suckage (think 3 stance tanks or something)
you see the tag [iQ] on all four members and your team has no monk
you enter ta
a party member refuses to play cause he's a dick
you're a monk and you accidently put all your attributes in smite
halfway into the battle, you and your team simply agree you will not get a single kill
its 1 to 4 and your team has gotten no kills yet
the list goes on.
So I am proud to say I leave about one in 5 of my starting matches, and about one in 20 of my streaks
You're dead, nobody has res, you have a bunch of non spikers, and the other team has a monk.
You're opposition has two monks and your team has no spike power
Both teams have two monks
The enemy has a monk and a touch ranger, and your idiot teammates insist on trying to kill the lifestealing, self healing ranger who also gets healing from the monk for 5 minutes
Irl reasons
Computer crashes
You have an Afker
Somebody doesnt load and your team sucks
your team is the one in 100 that enters the guild wars hall of fame of suckage (think 3 stance tanks or something)
you see the tag [iQ] on all four members and your team has no monk
you enter ta
a party member refuses to play cause he's a dick
you're a monk and you accidently put all your attributes in smite
halfway into the battle, you and your team simply agree you will not get a single kill
its 1 to 4 and your team has gotten no kills yet
the list goes on.
So I am proud to say I leave about one in 5 of my starting matches, and about one in 20 of my streaks
Scizzors
Random Arena is simply a grab and go pvp competition where you can test out new builds or just gain some faction. Trust me i know how u feel though, it does get annoying when you need a replacement because sum1 left after the 9th win... but once that replacement arrives he rages because OMG NO MONK -.-
RA = Raging Arenas
Team Arena is a different situation, i recommend you go down there if prefer being organized.
I disagree with the petition
/unsigned
RA = Raging Arenas
Team Arena is a different situation, i recommend you go down there if prefer being organized.
I disagree with the petition
/unsigned
Scizzors
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
Petitions make me want to ragequit life.
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im so using that.
'This makes me wanna RqL'
explodemyheart
/unsigned
Come on, are you really that ignorant?
I know many high ranked people in well ranked guilds that play in RA occasionally. Why do they do it? Many reasons. They enjoy it, it's a quick way to some faction, they like laughing at all of the people that suck. Whatever the reason, it really doesn't have to be that they just suck too much or aren't serious enough for anything else.
That said.. I, personally, despise RA. With an unholy passion. Occasionally I get bored, pop over to RA, and am suddenly reminded why I avoid that place like the plague.
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I understand perfectly - it's because they aren't skilled enough or serious enough to play any other form of PvP.
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I know many high ranked people in well ranked guilds that play in RA occasionally. Why do they do it? Many reasons. They enjoy it, it's a quick way to some faction, they like laughing at all of the people that suck. Whatever the reason, it really doesn't have to be that they just suck too much or aren't serious enough for anything else.
That said.. I, personally, despise RA. With an unholy passion. Occasionally I get bored, pop over to RA, and am suddenly reminded why I avoid that place like the plague.
Clord
Term ragequit is weird. It is not like everybody is angry when they leave. Random Arena is something what is not so skill based anyway so many from players not take those matches too seriously if they lose or win.
Skuld
I do RA to get that last 300 faction for a skill, or to test out new crap, and I am not sticking on a team with 2 monks, or a conjure phantasm ranger, or having to wait a minute for a res, or other equally clueless players :| RA is not fun...
Sophitia Leafblade
Personally i love RA, instant PvP action, sure u can get some totally random builds and teams but thats part of the fun it is called RANDOM Arena after all. I agree there are some reasons people could leave ie internet loss, or a long stalemate etc. but im sure atleast 75% of people who leave dont suffer from that. Rage Quitters are highly annoying but at the end of the day there Quitters, leavers, losers. They need no more punishments ontop of that and besides i dont think there is any kind of system Anet could Add that would be able to tell weither the person left legit or non legit unless they mapped out rather than loggin out. so as much as i hate to say it:
/unsigned
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twicky_kid
No thank you.
I don't want to sit in a 10-20 minute game because some runner thinks its cute.
Too many reasons to leave RA in the middle of a battle. Its random so you get what you get. Don't like it quit and enter again.
I don't want to sit in a 10-20 minute game because some runner thinks its cute.
Too many reasons to leave RA in the middle of a battle. Its random so you get what you get. Don't like it quit and enter again.
Redfeather1975
How about each player gets a little Random Arena preference window.
They check off what they want in a Random Arena group.
If they won't play with a group with no monk, then the game will wait until they are randomly picked to join a group with a monk and then they'll enter battle.
There could be a number of preferences to select.
That way if someone quits, it's okay because they didn't quit for not getting the type of group they wanted. They left because of a possible number of legitimate reasons.
They check off what they want in a Random Arena group.
If they won't play with a group with no monk, then the game will wait until they are randomly picked to join a group with a monk and then they'll enter battle.
There could be a number of preferences to select.
That way if someone quits, it's okay because they didn't quit for not getting the type of group they wanted. They left because of a possible number of legitimate reasons.
The Fallen One
This petetion is a bit pointless in my opinion. /unsigned
If I'm practicing for GvG and decide that I just don't want tos tick around on my RA team for any longer because I want something with real faction, I'm not going to sit around unless I've got eight wins or something close to a Glad's point. There are other legitamate excuses listed thouroughly above. Random Arenas is asking for ragequitters, you should be ready to play like you have three people on your team at the max when you hit the button. A penalty is just going to wipe out RA of the people who were maybe good but not so bound to it that if they have to go to something else that they're going to lose 100 Faction each time they have to go.
If I'm practicing for GvG and decide that I just don't want tos tick around on my RA team for any longer because I want something with real faction, I'm not going to sit around unless I've got eight wins or something close to a Glad's point. There are other legitamate excuses listed thouroughly above. Random Arenas is asking for ragequitters, you should be ready to play like you have three people on your team at the max when you hit the button. A penalty is just going to wipe out RA of the people who were maybe good but not so bound to it that if they have to go to something else that they're going to lose 100 Faction each time they have to go.
The Pointless
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I do RA to get that last 300 faction for a skill, or to test out new crap, and I am not sticking on a team with 2 monks, or a conjure phantasm ranger, or having to wait a minute for a res, or other equally clueless players :| RA is not fun...
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I've given up on RA now that Hero Battles has been added. Problem is people seem to ragequit that either when I get a measly point ahead or even when they're ahead.
Clawdius_Talonious
The people I hate aren't even so much the ragequitters (although it's annoying to call "I'm using Res Sig on ____" and then watching them leave anyway), it's the people who leave before the match even starts.
I've been on teams that got gladiator points without a monk, many times. However the majority of my Gladiator points for my title came from RA with my monk, and I've seen people quit a perfectly balanced team. The funny part, is the one example of this that readily springs to mind is one where we won the first battle 3v4 and went on to get a gladiator point. This could possibly have been an err=7, but I couldn't begin to count the number of times I've seen someone load in, quit, and then the other person that they thought had quit loads in...
I honestly wouldn't mind at all if there was a semi-harsh penalty to mapping out/exiting the game before the match began in RA (say 8 hours of inability to enter RA matches) accomanied by a large warning "If you leave this match you will be denied access to Random Arena combat for _______. Also, the twenty minutes for leaving before you're dead/before your party has used all of their res signets would be interesting as well. For someone who was going to (work, the bar, whatever) do something IRL wouldn't even notice this delay, however it could possibly discourage people from rage quitting for little to no reason while their team still had a fighting chance.
/signed
I've been on teams that got gladiator points without a monk, many times. However the majority of my Gladiator points for my title came from RA with my monk, and I've seen people quit a perfectly balanced team. The funny part, is the one example of this that readily springs to mind is one where we won the first battle 3v4 and went on to get a gladiator point. This could possibly have been an err=7, but I couldn't begin to count the number of times I've seen someone load in, quit, and then the other person that they thought had quit loads in...
I honestly wouldn't mind at all if there was a semi-harsh penalty to mapping out/exiting the game before the match began in RA (say 8 hours of inability to enter RA matches) accomanied by a large warning "If you leave this match you will be denied access to Random Arena combat for _______. Also, the twenty minutes for leaving before you're dead/before your party has used all of their res signets would be interesting as well. For someone who was going to (work, the bar, whatever) do something IRL wouldn't even notice this delay, however it could possibly discourage people from rage quitting for little to no reason while their team still had a fighting chance.
/signed
shardfenix
I just now have entered RA 3 times. The first time, 1 person raged and one was afk, so the other guy raged and I had to leave. The second time, the other 3 people left before the door even opened. The third time, one guy left and one was afk. Like someone else already stated, leaving after half your team is dead is one thing, but leaving before the door even opens should have a heavy penalty. And yes, they can program Guild Wars to detect when you error vs. when you leave, so there would only be penalties for leavers. I think a 1 hour account ban would be nice.
geekling
Reading some of the attitudes in these threads, coupled with that RA is the first taste of volontary PvP new potential PvP players are exposed to, first impressions and all that. I'd be inclined to signed. But still it is kind of bad suggestion.
So /halfsigned.
Something like a 5 minute cool-down period between entering battles probably would be sufficient to act as a deterrant to cut down on the worse of it while still leaving enough of a leeway for legit reasons to quit a match before it is resolved.
So /halfsigned.
Something like a 5 minute cool-down period between entering battles probably would be sufficient to act as a deterrant to cut down on the worse of it while still leaving enough of a leeway for legit reasons to quit a match before it is resolved.