Recommended Update: Punish Rage Quitters In Ra

I think a "timeout" of approximately 5 minutes is perfectly acceptible for anyone that leaves a RA match early.

If you have a reason for leaving earlier (e.g. err07, not liking the team composition, house burning down), then you shouldn't really mind not joining another RA match for five minutes. This at least will discourage people from joining and quitting 10 times until they get what they believe is an optimal team.

/notsigned
People have listed the catastrophes that could potentially happen in game. I had a Windows problem for a while, thank you... Also, it's not the end of the world just because one freakin person left! And don't think the other way around where it's not the end of the world if you stay for a minute. Lots of crap can happen in one minute. I don't want to even try to list them because I for one hopefully think you guys can figure out that list.
Also, I have won 4v1 matches, whoopee, I didn't give a damn about the people who left.
Then there's some of us who don't have a gazillion hours to sit on our asses infront of the computer to wait five minutes. I generally don't have that much time to play myself. So waiting five minutes is total crap, especially when your mom/boss or whoever is in charge limits you to 30 minutes.
Then, as stated earlier, this isn't a crime to leave like drinking and driving is. Oh wow, a person left, who really gives a crap? Holy mackerel, there's another 2 million players out there to join you the next round, now what are the chances of them leaving? Pretty low comparatively.
Also, there are the people on your team who just piss you off. Seriously, no team ever works well with people that piss you off. I seriously got "challenges" from other people on 1v1 fights which don't even prove skill (because skill is team based), so then they leave and send me a guest invite to their guild. Well screw them, I hated them in the first place and why deal with them? Well, I also leave because of them because all they can do is whine.
Then there's the games that you can completely served at in less than one minute. Then there's a survivor running about that has no resurrection thing. What? Do you actually want to wait on that person to squabble around? I think not.
Plus, why can't these "rage quitters" just leave one minute later just to piss you off? It's not going to change a thing.
Overall, valid reasons outweigh the "rage quitting" reasons. Then also, it won't stop rage quitting. It just won't.

/not signed

You seriously want us to stay when there's 4 monks/Rt's or when there's one of those team killer necro's in your team? No thanks. Just play until you find a group that can get a few consecutive wins and nobody will ragequit anymore. And if it's really that much of a problem perhaps ANet could make it so that if someone ragequits before the gates open they are replaced by henchmen. If someone leaves after the gates open it usually means your team is about to lose anyway.

/Signed

For anyone who quit, no matter what the situation is, should have deduct about 500-1000 factions, as it is simply is a "Failure to provide sufficient and necessary support to your team and organization goal", when you enter an arena and team up with someone, you have a responsibility, it is not about personal winning or losing, not even about your team sucks or not, it is a responsibility that a person who he/she is committed to as soon as he/she clicked the "enter battle" button, where is the point if you are fighting for your family and friend's lives and decided to leave if you didn't like the situation?

Besides, if you don't do it often and purposely, you can handle it. Even if your computer crash and burns, you can still quit and stop the deduction. You are telling me that compare to your computer burns down and your house burns down, power surge thunder storm flood and your mother's car accident, you are caring more about 500 faction deductions? Come on.

For anyone who /unsign this, I think they are either who always quit when others depending on them, or just a person who thinks "this is just a game"; to tell you the truth, same as religious beliefs, when real people are involved, it is not simply a game.

/unsure

what about the error 7s out there? how do you tell when its a rage quit?

~the rat~

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oh, and /signed

It should work like the "disconnected" feature. The game can tell when you legitimately drop or when you simply pull the plug. If ya leave within one minute (maybe a minute and half), you get to sit for 5. Fair enough. I'm tired of waisting time trying to gain faction when I get a three man team every third game, assuming the rest stay. It's rediculous.

Like others have stated, if your house is burning down/flooding/etc., I very seriously doubt your going to be back on in 5 minutes anyways. For those lesser circumstances, I'd rather have the person step away while staying ingame with the possibility of returning to help than just leaving with no chance for aid later.

I /unsign this. I'm a mighty gladiator.

If I monk, the enemy has a ZB, and my allies have no spike, daze, or shutdown, I know we're either going to lose or the match will last 10 minutes. Waste of freakin time. /ragequit. This happens about 30% of the time. So if I have to stay a minute each time and I RA for an hour that day that's 15-20 minutes I could've been spending doing my homework or whatever later on. And if I spend an hour in RA every day thats 100 lost hours every year.

If I don't monk and am trying to get a gladiator point, theres an extremely high chance I won't get one because we'll eventually run into a double monk group and my 3 allies will be picking their noses as I broadhead or shutdown one of the monks. /ragequit (I have stayed sometimes without a monk and gotten a gladiator point but after quitting at the end of the first match 90% of the time cause my allies are idiots... yeah I'm leaning on just ragequiting at start now)

It is a very well calculated formula and certainly shows that you are a very time efficient and successful person, however, if you are so precious of your time and value of your life achievement, you won't spend any time on a MMO game and get that mighty gladiator. Now beware, this is not a flaming post, but a counter argument to your self-contradicting logic.

Now I am sure you can find some great reasons to quit on your team, some might even sound legit and justified, but here is the fundamental thing about RA: Players Randomly gathered together into two teams and PLAY, winning should not be the point of the game nor intent, PLAYING is, you and many others who /unsign this poll are wrong at the elementary level by placing the importance of their own victories over the design concept of the game, and exploit this system to bend reality for their personal benefit, now I can tell you this is exactly an example of exploitation. That's why I /signed this, and I strongly encourage anyone who has a sense of justice and good will to /sign this in order to discourage exploiting behaviors, so are many other exploiting behaviors that haunting our pleasant gaming experience every day. If anyone want GW to be a game that is welcomed and praised by the MMO community and proud to be in it, /sign this.

As I said earlier, if you get err7 every time you get into arena, then get your computer and network checked right away, period; and stop complaining about 500 faction loss, even a dog will know to stop doing something when rewards became negative.

RA is kinda the lowest GW gets. Its just a mosh pit of people trying to get titles and faction. In a game where it takes several million faction to get a complete unlock, why would anyone want to slow the ability to gain faction in the easiest faction gain in the game? If I wanna have fun I go alliance battle or gvg or whatever. If I need faction or want to test a build out I RA

And btw if you're not playing to win.. why in gods nane do you care if someone leaves? RA is hardly balanced as it is, so you can't be signing this to have RA be a fair fight.

Lowest or not, it is your personal opinion, I don't think you have any statistic to back it up.

It was never about me or any individual being, it is about a concept and an ideal that a good game holds. It is about if a person who decided to be involved in a battle and revert their very own decision as soon as he "is wasting time" and the attempt to void all responsibilities who he was committed to by clicking that enter battle button. Should we encourage the irresponsible, should we embrace the virtue less, should we sponsor the liars who can not keep their own decisions and actions intact, and most important, should we be aware of others around us, keep a better gaming habit and keeps a positive and friendly gaming community, or should we encourage a true mindless faction farmers who cares about a title to show off more than anything else.

Some of you replying are the same.... eh... people that not only rage quit, but leave just because you didn't get matched up with the right group. Grow up and learn to win some, lose some. I'm pretty sure he's not talking about someone who had to leave all of a sudden because his "homies" called him up to go shopping lol. He's talking about the idiots who come in, see there is no monk, and quit within 10 seconds of spawning in the arena. Then they go back in, see if they have the perfect group, and leave is there isn't.

Yes, the Random Arenas should not have to be taken so seriously. So if that's the case, why keep quitting until you find your perfect group? (Big dumb oaf "Because I want to WIN! I need my glad points!" LMAO You cannot come up with a legitimate reason as to why some "form" of punishment should not be implemented for those that "repeatedly" quit. If your house is burning, are you really gonna be dumb enough to quickly log out, then turn your computer off because of the fire???? The places is burning down! Everything will be lost, and your parent's insurance will cover it.

DESIRES, how about they punish people who post dumb comeback one-liners such as yours? You could have said something that actually had a little thought put into it.

MALICE BLACK, if they do put a punishment form in, then it will be obeyed as if it were a law. Well sort of. You'll still have the few who won't care, but it will dramatically reduce the amount of prequitting that is rampant currently. Isn't it the community that helps come up with the better game? If A-net feels that it would work to add that form in, they will add it, and people will think twice before quitting on purpose.

On a final note, this isn't aimed at those that have "LEGITIMATE" reasons to quit, this Thread, and my post is aimed at those that are guilty of the pre-quitters, ragequitters, nubs, etc. Just my 2 cents.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I did put at least a TINY bit of thought to this :P

One more thing!(I just read this after making this post)

LMAO.. Ok, let me get this straight, you go to RA to earn your glad points? Wait, wait, doesn't TEAM ARENAS give glad points as well? Someone correct me if I'm wrong! Why not go to TA and get them there? Oh wait, that's right your one of those pre-quitters that goes to where us newer players are to take advantage of us "noobs" to earn your glad points with cookie cutter builds! LMAO.. seriously. Are you not experienced enough to go up to TA or even HA? I don't care if your a /rank 5+ HAer, you are one of those that exploit the /ragequit option. Put some thought into your post sir.

yeah TA is full of complete idiots. Seriously, when I ZB monk and end up in TA from RA we beat the shit outta non-guild groups. And I am out of a guild at the moment. So.. RA it is. Like many, many, many people who don't want to face guild groups by playing in a group with 3 morons. I'd rather face 4 morons with me and 3 morons thank you.


For the record, [Luna] and [Kame] members, both TA guilds, RA a lot

Please stay on topic, not trying to turn this into a battle of what arena is better... both have a purpose, yes, idiots r in both, but the point is the idiots who rage quick at launch need punished....

Ragequit would become unplug cable. Therfore all measures taken will result in simulated err7's

There are many reasons to leave a team, as some have stated before (idiot players, leechers, one initial leaver, dead on the floor for too long, hopeless results, 2 or more monks, 4 diversion mesmers and no damage, etc). It would really just result in a massive unplugged fest. And u should know from our society that u can't punish the (seemingly) innocent.

/not signed

Yes, and its just 5 minutes timeout! Dont cry because you cant do RA for 5 minutes! Please, if you cant stand the punishment, than dont do RA, simple as that, thanks. Unfair? Yes, too bad, life is unfair.

Imagine the amount of grievers that will start running around to force u to quit (killing one runner can already be nasty with 3-4 depending on builds) in order to penalize u.

TA is arther empty when I'm on so not much of an option. Going to international, just increases the PING and therefor is not so much of an option when timing is critical (interupt mes or monk).

People quit due obvious reasons, although I dont agree with the people quitting right away when they see no Mo (u even have monks doing that), imposing penalties is not an option as u will punish many legitimate leavers, or for what I consider legitimate.

If u (targetted to all who want to ban it) dont want people to ragequit then why u dont go to TA and form a team that will not consist of ragequitters, in that way the problem would be solved.

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Originally Posted by Draygonia_Advanced Please, if you cant stand the punishment, than dont do RA, simple as that, thanks. Unfair? Yes, too bad, life is unfair.

Please, if you can't stand a few leavers now and then, don't do RA, simple as that, thanks. Unfair? Not really. Neither is the logic you have just applied, as I have less-than-eloquently pointed out just now.

Personally, I don't view people who leave an RA match as a big problem. It's 4v4 Randomway, where anything goes, and anything can happen. The only time RA really matters is for people who need to win a set of matches there to unlock TA. In those cases, yes, having people quit before a match or during a match for a completely stupid reason is highly annoying, but it's nothing to lose sleep over. As has been previously stated, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for a person to leave a match in RA, and I don't think any of you would like being punished for leaving if one day you happened to stumble into one of those situations. It's just a game, after all, and a very small, relatively unimportant part of the game, at that. Deducting Faction won't work because you don't really gain that much from RA in the first place, and the first time you come against a stupidly composed 3-4 ZB Monk team, you will probably lose all the faction you have made the entire day when you decide sticking around just isn't worth it (I've had some situations like that recently, which is why I have just been sticking to GvG). A short period of not being able to enter again sounds reasonable, on paper, but in practice, nobody is going to want to sit around waiting to enter RA again after they leave a situation such as the aforementioned. You can win a match with only three people (heck, I've even seen a person win a match solo a couple of times, though they were running a particularly counter-productive build... Here's a tip: Warrior+Monk+Nightfall), so having one person, or even two people leave, isn't a huge deal. Even if you lose, you can go right back in again with a full four person team, and try your hand at the battle once more. Also, the whole "Well some of us want Gladiator Points" argument doesn't really hold any water, because if you really wanted them, you'd be in TA instead of RA to greatly increase your chances of obtaining them.

Sometimes, people just have to leave their desk in the middle of a round because something more important has come up. The dog may need to go out, the kid might need a diaper change, or the AC might need tweaked a bit and the thermostat is on the other side of the living room. When things like that happen, a person can either /afk, or just leave entirely. Either way, they aren't helping the team for that match. However, if they leave the match to go do the real-life task(s), they open a slot in your team for another player, whereas if they simply went AFK, if you won the match, you'd possibly be stuck with only 3 people playing still. Make no mistake, I'm not condoning the actions of people who quit matches in RA just because the team composition doesn't meet their standards, but personally, I don't think it's fair at all to punish people for having their priorities straight in life. You say you'd be able to handle it now, but if a punishment system was put in place, I believe you'd be singing a different tune the first time you got unfairly punished.

It's a game, guys. 4v4 Randomway, where anything goes, and anything can happen. I know it's been said a lot already, but don't take it so seriously. Get a few friends together, or start up a PuG, and hit up TA for a bit (or, heaven forbid, HA/GvG! ). And now, to close up, with a little bit of service for good ol' HL2 players...

Welcome to organized PvP. It's better here.

yea it has but two things would solve for the ongoing problem...

1: Make it so if people rage quit leave or disconnect they can not rejoin a RA for a min of 20 mins. PERIOD. Even if its a legitimate disconnect, its not long, but it will piss off the people doing it so much they will think twice about continuing to do it...

2: replace people that quit immediately with an equivalent Zashien Henchmen, so the people that were wronged are not too badly punished for the actions of the rage quiter.

Bingo, Problem solved, Debate over... no more griefing over this crap...

Read all of the posts and completely disagree with the OP.

About 50% of the time when I monk in RA, I get a glad point. Thats from rage quitting if I see a Wammo, any other monks, or an inbalanced team like 2 or 3 rits or mesmers.

If I want to play another class, usually blinder or dazer, I prefer to have a decent ZB or Shield of regen monk in my team at least, If not I rage.

Sorry if im a prick, I want glad points and there about 1000% easier to get in RA then in TA.

Nothing to add.

/notsigned

If I can see that the match will last too long, and I quit, tha I'll need to wait 5-10 minutes becouse I've left?!

/not-signed

you read as well as you type... topic is if person leaves RA at very beginning (like withing first minute) of match should they get punished for leaving because they dont like team they get....

if everyone could read the simple topic, alot of the confusion would not be here.... were not talking about the fight lasted 5 mins already and now there is just a runner left, or even that the fight lasted 1.5min 1 full team of monks and noone can hurt them and ppl leave... were talking before the gates open, or very shortly after......

Please stay on topic, its not that confusing...

Ok, if I'm a monk and I get a team with 2 other monks and 1 Restoration Rit, we know that no way we can win or kill ( unless the other team all quit first, ofc). Then we just stay there and wait 1 min to press M and come back to Arena. Is there any difference if a char stand there for 1 min doing nothing, only to wait to "be allowed" to quit ? It only give the other team free kills, and make people very frustrating and annoying.


And for people who want "to win" or whatever reason : It is totally unorganised, and winning or not depends mostly on luck and other team members you get. Is there a difference between a leaver and a complete idiot Wamo ( which are popular in RA) with Dolyak Signet, Healing Hand, Healing Breeze, etc.., no attack skill and just stand hopeless there because no one bother to attack him ? I would rather have a quitter because an useless wamo like that only makes me rage.

Please stop bumping this thread or people will continue flamefest, really.

OK I don't understand something here. if the rage quiters are not just doing it to be little jerk holes, (My Opinon) Cause they get off on such things...

And they are doing it just because they don't like the random build, then why the heck are they not just going to Team arenas and forming a group to play with with the build they want? Thats what its freaking there for!!!

Tell you what Anet, any day you want to rid us of standard RA forever is fine by me. TA is all one needs at that level since there is no room for people wanting to try new things anymore... Leave RA for lowlevel Ascalon, Yaks bend, Monastery, and Istani Arenas... and remove RA entirely from Battle Ilses. Make room for Gladiator Arena 1vs1.

Ok how about this: a small penalty if you are the FIRST person on your team to leave

There would be none, however, if 2 or more of your teamates have been killed.

Like its been said before; there are too many valid reasons to leave RA.

RA isn't for serious competition. Whenever I wanna mess around, I go into RA witha joke build. Usually someone leaves. Sometimes I leave. Is it because of the team? In my case, no. I never care for the team, I leave for many reasons. One of which: I don't wanna play GW right now. So, without hesitation, I hit Alt+F4, and do something else. The only time I'd stay would be if my team mates were all using decent build, and then I would leave after we won.

Does this make me a horrible person? I don't think so. I might of cheated someone out of 50 Faction. But, its only faction.

And besides, if somone leaving at the beginning really does bother you, do TA.

At least the people there have some experience.

I know most of this (if not all) has been stated before, but I wanted to give my reasoning for voting no.

Oh, and /unsigned.

I Don't do PvP other than AB (and i want to, Guild Wars is balanced, so if this would stop happning i think some awsome battles would happen) because i can't find anything else than quiters. IT drives me insane.
/singed

Because team arenas are full of, ahem, 'NO-ONE'.

When I get 10 wins in RA, the team usually steamrolls through all the poop from TA untill we face an organised guild team to screw it up for us. Thats the problem with TA, it doesnt matter how good your teams build is, you will still most likely get beaten by a better team, and there is hardly anyone ever there to make a good group unless you join a TA guild.

I were spamming for a smiter for my TA build, which has gotten me and my guild many glad points before, 30 minutes of spamming, no smiter. Thats why I dont do TA unless were making a guild group.

RA is full of so many clowns and 0 organised teams, that if you get a decent group (which is very easy via rage quitting), you get a glad point garanteed.

What a great idea, then maybe it would be easier (for me + others) to make a group in TA.

Also imo all the people voting yes are the ones playing wammo, flare spammer or MM in RA. I just had a wammo using mending right now. Raged ftw.

Im playing migrane/fruastration mesmer atm. I just decided to stay in a group with 2 rangers and a warrior to see what happens. I get sin ganked in a few seconds and no one resses me. Guess why I rage quit?

IF, this is implemented, I'll just leave my computer there without leaving and go for a piss, a drink and some run down to the local 7/11 for more food and the exercise.

/hell signed

Valid reasons for leaving RA? I can only think of one- group of 4 healing ppl vs 4 other healing ppl- but what is /resign for?


;D funny guy
I can play RA, AB, TA, HA, GvG, HB and sometimes I still play RA... Guess why? You don't know? Not surprising...
Lemme tell ya
1)fast faction
2)sometimes cool ppl
3)easy glads
4)I can try out builds
5)I don't have to complete team... No "what are we playing today... We dont have Me"- I just press button and wait 30sec...
But you're an advanced player that always has right, eh? Probably playing R/N "touch me!" ^^
/laugh at you
I think RA is where I get like... oh, 50 glad points?


So? Calming your wife will take ~10 mins, and after that you can play again...
You have to go to shop for smth and you have to quit? So quit, you will wait 10 minutes- far from eternity

Wrong... again ;) Oh, how easy to deal with posts like these...

It's not problem billy leaves... Its problem that Billy, Tom, Mark, Josh, Jerry, Mandy, Harry, Dick and many others quit- and it happens all the time.
Do you really 'think' (haha :D) that this poll would be here if ppl met like... 1 leaver/day ? It's not 1 leaver/day- it's a huge number, really... many 0's

Idiot players - still better then leavers- at least they play ;] Even wammos are better then leavers- at least they can be meat-shield, exploit his corpse or get E from soul reaping...
Leechers- only met them in AB
one initial leaver- still possible to win 3vs4...
too much time, hopless results- I think that leavers who should be punished are those, who leave before opening the gates, or 5s after 'NO MNOK!!11 NOOBZ'
Punishing innocent- it happens all the time -,-

Leavers aren't ppl that like to do much- they're lazy bunch of worse_humans that enter RA, no monk- quit, enter- no monk- quit... What makes you think that lazy guys like em would unplug their network plug? Too much work -,-

What was that? Are you telling me I'm supposed to have fun when for 10 times in a row I have a leaver/leavers in RA? That's fun? Masochist...
And what about 2 other guys that were with me in team? Are they having fun?

Your 'few' is very different from what 'few' is supposed to mean.


Nope, but I think it's pretty easy to figure out if it's 007 or just quitting... have faith in AN programmers... If you have 007 you can reconnect- if you leave there's no 'ok noob, maybe you'd like to fix it and reconnect to your party?'

Personally I think farming is, but that's not about it... it's about leavers, kk?

Cool that you said it yourself... 4v4- not 4-xv4 ;]


I read many other posts that can be easily countered but meh... Not worth my time

I just want to add that there are ppl out there that rage-quit just for fun! Enters-quits-enters-quits- just like anal!
But no, why should we punish them, it's fun for them, right?
Gimme a break...


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"I play randoms because im fly.
I also rage quit because im fly."
I think it's all right to swat a fly

I play randoms because im fly.
I also rage quit because im fly.
Oh and because I don't want to waste my life with a bad team, granted im playing GW.

And btw, how are you gonna punish someone that is already uax . HI

/notsighned
CWAT I DID THAR

Personally I think all quiters should be given a negative global (for the account) title that would appear under a regular title stating how many times they have quit.

Great idea, and lets max that title by rage quitting even more FTW!

Way to encourage us.

Personally I don't do much TA myself (only when i'm bored) and so today happened to be one of those days. I load and noticed we didnt have any monks in the group and this person just says bye and leaves the game (see screenshot for more reference (its awful I can assure you). so my vote goes to a big YES!!!! Now I understand how some of the players feel here.


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that pic sums it up... funny part is, from what i see, is that almost entire other team quit before ur guy quit... so technically, he lost out on a free win...

No, I don't think you really are sorry for being a... nvm.

/signed for a few minute delay on re-enter after quitting

What gets me, are the folks who say "don't take RA so seriously" then you have the above guy who takes it SO seriously he's got a formula already worked out for when he rages. Scientifically proven to be the most efficient way to get glad points whilst griefing everyone around you.




BTW I'd kill for a team of 3 mesmers and a monk.

/signed for a 5 min re-join penality

When you get back from the above situations, a reasonable 5 min wait (disagree with 10 min) would of already passed and you can jump back in.
Do not support faction loss.

I think that people who quit within 5 minutes of the match start should be punished, and that punishment should be they cannot start an RA match for the next 10 minutes.

For whatever reason - some people here seems to believe that their time > everyone else's time. Those are the people that seem to be the majority of those not supporting some form of punishment.

People who quit for any RL reasons, or people who decided to do something else instead suffers no actual "punishment". It will punish people who jump around to get into a better team. If there is 2 monks vs. 2 monks (or runners etc. etc.) and there is a deadlock after 5 minutes, quit all you like no punishment.

You enter the RA format knowing that teams are completely random. If the purpose is to farm 300 factions or whatever, go somewhere else. Hell grab 3 henchies and do zenshin challenge is faster anyway and you don't waste other peoples time. Thinking otherwise is just being a selfish a-hole.

/Signed! For reason quoted above.

I enjoy playing in RA and it's great when we get a good team however it's very frustrating having to deal with all the jerks like this guy.....

I think the punishment should be reasonable, and not so much a punishment but a deterrent. Yes there are legitimate reasons to leave. If your kid just split a glass of milk on the dog, I don't expect you to stay at the computer and finish a game that in the long run won't matter much in life. Leave and take care of whatever real life issue occurred. (However, if you are in a situation where you expect to be frequently interrupted I think it's just common courtesy to not attempt a team event at all.)

Implement a 5-10 minute penalty where a leaver cannot rejoin a PvP battle for that amount of time. Folks that leave for legit reasons will most likely be AFK for that amount of time anyways and so it won't be punishing them. Also the penalty should not be applied if....
1. The battle has lasted for more than 5 minutes. (This solves the runner issue)
2. You are not the first person to leave the battle. (I don't want to be penalized for leaving a 2 man team)


I've also frequently encountered a different issue in RA that annoys me. Perhaps I'm the only one? This is the "I'm sooo good I don't need a team" syndrome. Many times a player will say "1 on 1 please" or "I'll only play 1v1. Send over a champion from your team to decide the battle". Many times this happens when somebody from the Lone Ranger's team has already left and he doesn't want to fight handicapped. Sometimes it's just because he doesn't like the teammates he's been put with and would like to even the odds a bit.