Dear Anet: Make Razah's PvE aquisition REASONABLE.........
Geckoo
from my point of view the reward in anguish are tormented weapons an whispers chests, also the greens you can obtain there... not a rit hero. The only problem for me is that you require gemstones, simply the mission shouldn't need gems in order to do it, is the only change it may be done.
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
Do you realize if Anet make the aquisition of Razah as easy as Olias for example, people will complain there is no reward for completeing the quests in Torment? And if Anet introduces another rit hero, they will complain that the reward for slaying things in Torment is worthless since they already have a rit hero?
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Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
Or, and this is just off the top of my head, they could make Razah easier to get and add that mythical multi profession hero that was rumoured before, that way he would actually be worth the fight
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And even if they replace Razah by this multi-profession hero and give us a rit hero as a reward for a simple quest in Cantha, how long before a thread called "Please, make the aquisition of <insert the name of the multi-profession hero here> resonable" is posted? A few days, probably...
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
Yes, I think everybody would like to have a multi-profession hero, but the problem is making one is not as easy as just changing one variable. How long and how much effort who it take? I have no idea. But I'm still sure it's anything but simple.
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
And even if they replace Razah by this multi-profession hero and give us a rit hero as a reward for a simple quest in Cantha, how long before a thread called "Please, make the aquisition of <insert the name of the multi-profession hero here> resonable" is posted? A few days, probably...
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Neriandal Freit
Although I've said my leave from this thread many pages back, I have to ask three questions of everyone who wants to see Razah, or another character who was said in the manual to be a multi-professional one this.
Do you really want to see Jane, Barb, Sally and You out in The Realm of Torment all with the same looking character simply because you can change the main profession? And, if you answer yes, have you posted in the Hair Style thread? Again, if yes, why are you wanting to see a character EVERYONE and their mom has? I don't want that, I like one person having Zhed and another having Acolyte as the Elementalist of the party.
Do any of you who argue "Make an easy Ritualist" understand that ANET is attempting to promote, and not forcing us to buy the game Factions? The game many of us have seen loose many players? Let's face it, the game had a bunch of quests in a small area, but that game was very detailed and was worth the play. Plus, we've got a Canthian New Year coming up. Do you want your neighbor friend down the road who just has Prophecies and Nightfall to miss out on that?
Do any of you also understand that ANET must do such things from time to time in order to keep the interest of games like Faction alive? Because the more games that sell, the more money they make. The more money they make, the better they make the game. The better they make the game, the happier their consumer is. The happier we are, the happier they are because we are buying their games.
If you understand one of these things I've just listed, then your with the majority of people here! Congratulations!!! The majority of us wish to see things remain as they are for the better of the game and of the players, much for the reasons I've listed above.
If you don't understand anything I've just posted, you are but in the minority who is hollering as best you can. Mind you, you minority folk have awesome vocal cords, because one of you keep bumping this thread when ALL of us know that everything that has had to have been said has been said but insist on keeping this "Make it easy for me because I like easy games!" thread open.
Please, get over your selves. It isn't going to change because of the things I've listed and what other players (like Sir Mad for a great example) have posted here. If you don't like Guild Wars, go play World of Warcraft. I hear they just came out with a new expansion that might be easy with cheat codes in it that has your names all over it.
Do you really want to see Jane, Barb, Sally and You out in The Realm of Torment all with the same looking character simply because you can change the main profession? And, if you answer yes, have you posted in the Hair Style thread? Again, if yes, why are you wanting to see a character EVERYONE and their mom has? I don't want that, I like one person having Zhed and another having Acolyte as the Elementalist of the party.
Do any of you who argue "Make an easy Ritualist" understand that ANET is attempting to promote, and not forcing us to buy the game Factions? The game many of us have seen loose many players? Let's face it, the game had a bunch of quests in a small area, but that game was very detailed and was worth the play. Plus, we've got a Canthian New Year coming up. Do you want your neighbor friend down the road who just has Prophecies and Nightfall to miss out on that?
Do any of you also understand that ANET must do such things from time to time in order to keep the interest of games like Faction alive? Because the more games that sell, the more money they make. The more money they make, the better they make the game. The better they make the game, the happier their consumer is. The happier we are, the happier they are because we are buying their games.
If you understand one of these things I've just listed, then your with the majority of people here! Congratulations!!! The majority of us wish to see things remain as they are for the better of the game and of the players, much for the reasons I've listed above.
If you don't understand anything I've just posted, you are but in the minority who is hollering as best you can. Mind you, you minority folk have awesome vocal cords, because one of you keep bumping this thread when ALL of us know that everything that has had to have been said has been said but insist on keeping this "Make it easy for me because I like easy games!" thread open.
Please, get over your selves. It isn't going to change because of the things I've listed and what other players (like Sir Mad for a great example) have posted here. If you don't like Guild Wars, go play World of Warcraft. I hear they just came out with a new expansion that might be easy with cheat codes in it that has your names all over it.
Omega X
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
Do you realize if Anet make the aquisition of Razah as easy as Olias for example, people will complain there is no reward for completeing the quests in Torment? And if Anet introduces another rit hero, they will complain that the reward for slaying things in Torment is worthless since they already have a rit hero?
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Sofonisba
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Do any of you also understand that ANET must do such things from time to time in order to keep the interest of games like Faction alive?
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There you go with your hyperbole again. There is no slippery slope here; the precedent for the other hero types' acquisition has been set. People are asking for follow-through of said precedent.
Kid Divinity
The price for all the gems is already down to 100k. After a while, it will most likely come down further. Everyone will have him in time for Chapter 4.
Just hang in there!
Just hang in there!
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by Kid Divinity
The price for all the gems is already down to 100k. After a while, it will most likely come down further. Everyone will have him in time for Chapter 4.
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And trust me, the gems are easy to get in comparison to freeing Razah
VitisVinifera
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Originally Posted by Omega X
IF Razah is the only real reward for going into the DoA then the area is just a waste of time.
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1. DoA is a waste of time
2. Razah should be reasonable to obtain
Kid Divinity
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
you do know that you still need to run around killing things to get him... Its more than just getting the Gems
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It took about 15 minutes.
Shady79
just give us another ritu hero by doing a simple quest like the olias one... without visiting an highend area.
NeHoMaR
Multi-Profession hero is actually VERY easy to implement: When you get Razah you will have 10 more heroes: Razah Warrior, Razah Monk, ... and NO, again NOOO, this DOESN'T unbalance game.
Edit: If you don't have Factions, you don't get Razah Assassin and Razah Ritualist, until you buy that campaign. Also, if you don't have Prophecies (for example) you don't get Razah Elem. and Razah Monk, that way this could even works like marketing thing for sell another campaigns.
Edit: If you don't have Factions, you don't get Razah Assassin and Razah Ritualist, until you buy that campaign. Also, if you don't have Prophecies (for example) you don't get Razah Elem. and Razah Monk, that way this could even works like marketing thing for sell another campaigns.
Dougal Kronik
Definitely need this to be changed.
darkangel921
Completing the DOA quests to get Razah doesnt indicate that you are more skilled than anyone else,,, any idiot can spam Searing Flames and LB gaze, so enough with the stupid elitist attitude about DOA, all it proves is that you have enough time to do all of that crap,,, more time than is socially acceptable.
tyche7
I have to say I, for one, 100% agree! Yes DOA should be very hard - it's an elite area. However, obtaining a hero like Razah should NOT be that hard. All the other heroes in the game were reasonable to get - Razah is just a joke. Very few people have the patience, the time, the network of really good players and the skill to really play it all the way through and get him. And Razah isn't even able to change his primary as originally thought. He's simply a Rt. Rediculous if you ask me.
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by Kid Divinity
The price for all the gems is already down to 100k. After a while, it will most likely come down further. Everyone will have him in time for Chapter 4.
Just hang in there! |
creelie
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
The oft quoted statistic says that most players don't have more than 20k gold, and you think they'll be to pay over 1million for the hero?
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warpedheat101
/signed for having an alternate rit hero
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by creelie
Um... 100k is one-tenth of 1 million. And 100k is not that difficult to get - playing through Factions twice is all it took for me.
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SkyHiRider
yes i agree. i have 9 pve chars and i really dont want to spend 900k for the gems. He should be easy accessable but they shouldnt change the quest.
cyberjanet
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I'd like a Ritualist hero. I think Ritualists are very powerful, certainly the ones I've played with are.
If I had time for another character... yet, it would be Tsi Lau Tira.
Ferret
To be honest, if they got rid of the gem requirement for Razah, or had another option (like 'x' amount of 'x' that can be gathered in the regular campaign), then it'd be totally reasonable to get him.
I just dont have the time to commit for such a long mission as DoA, so i eventually purchased a set of gems for 100k. After that, i went and got him. It was a hard fight, but not stupidly so, and half an hour later i had him.
If they changed the requirements to get to him to be 4 gems or, for example, 250 margonite masks, i'd not have a problem with the fact i had to spend the 100k. I'd just be gald i may be able to get him a few more times with some of my other characters.
Then DoA can stay the elitist place it is for those that want to farm gems for coffers and armbands.
That's my 2 cents,
Ferret
I just dont have the time to commit for such a long mission as DoA, so i eventually purchased a set of gems for 100k. After that, i went and got him. It was a hard fight, but not stupidly so, and half an hour later i had him.
If they changed the requirements to get to him to be 4 gems or, for example, 250 margonite masks, i'd not have a problem with the fact i had to spend the 100k. I'd just be gald i may be able to get him a few more times with some of my other characters.
Then DoA can stay the elitist place it is for those that want to farm gems for coffers and armbands.
That's my 2 cents,
Ferret
TabascoSauce
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Razah is the new UW spider. Nice to have but not necessary, we need at least one challange in the game. Everything doesnt have to be easy or quick in this game. |
Whoa dude, isn't your argument something to the effect of "it is not a real thing, so it is no big deal if you do not get it" and "it is not necessary"? If those are true, then what do you care if we do get it?
Oh I have an idea, make it 600,000 faction for PvP acquisition! Then see if you have the same opinion. <snicker>
/signed
Thx!
TabascoSauce
GloryFox
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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X /not signed Razah is the new UW spider. Nice to have but not necessary, we need at least one challange in the game. Everything doesnt have to be easy or quick in this game. |
Furthermore the cost and time to get a Spider is about 200g and 2 hours at most. Razah is a 15 hour investment at minimum assuming you can find a Group. Finding a group that can complete the mission's can take weeks. Months in my case.
/already signed
MithranArkanere
And once you get the group, the missions may take hours!
Yes, you can do them, but you'll need too much time!
You can do the missions to get Olias or Zenmai in less than 20 minutes.
But Razah...? No way...
Yes, you can do them, but you'll need too much time!
You can do the missions to get Olias or Zenmai in less than 20 minutes.
But Razah...? No way...
Melody Cross
/Signed. I’ve had people in top 30 guilds tell me no way; he’s too hard to get. After PUGing some of the stones, I sold them. I agree with them. It’d just take too long for another hero that I can get for 6k faction.
I liked Guild Wars because it wasn’t the same mindless end game over powered stuff you see in other MMOs. The PvE in this game didn’t used to beat you over the head with what a challenge it was. It just tried to be fun and rewarding. The challenge back then was seeing how many characters you could beat the game with; how many different types of professions you could master.
Anet seems to have lost that spirit. End-game for Nightfall was the least rewarding and the least satisfying gaming experience I’ve had since the game came out. I stay out of DoA because I don’t want a repeat of that…that…grind. I know some people like that kinda game. I don’t. I play to have fun and to relax. I don’t play to work. Anyone who does...doesn’t work.
If people want an e-challenge, give them a hard mode and give that hard mode nicer loot from chests. Don’t take away a fun character from the rest of us.
I liked Guild Wars because it wasn’t the same mindless end game over powered stuff you see in other MMOs. The PvE in this game didn’t used to beat you over the head with what a challenge it was. It just tried to be fun and rewarding. The challenge back then was seeing how many characters you could beat the game with; how many different types of professions you could master.
Anet seems to have lost that spirit. End-game for Nightfall was the least rewarding and the least satisfying gaming experience I’ve had since the game came out. I stay out of DoA because I don’t want a repeat of that…that…grind. I know some people like that kinda game. I don’t. I play to have fun and to relax. I don’t play to work. Anyone who does...doesn’t work.
If people want an e-challenge, give them a hard mode and give that hard mode nicer loot from chests. Don’t take away a fun character from the rest of us.
Dr.thug1230
/signed i agree, he is way to hard to obtain. Also like nobody will take you in their group unless your that certain profession that they need. Basically i've seen no dervs in groups which is me.
mqstout
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Originally Posted by Melody Cross
/Signed. I’ve had people in top 30 guilds tell me no way; he’s too hard to get. After PUGing some of the stones, I sold them. I agree with them. It’d just take too long for another hero that I can get for 6k faction.
I liked Guild Wars because it wasn’t the same mindless end game over powered stuff you see in other MMOs. The PvE in this game didn’t used to beat you over the head with what a challenge it was. It just tried to be fun and rewarding. The challenge back then was seeing how many characters you could beat the game with; how many different types of professions you could master. Anet seems to have lost that spirit. End-game for Nightfall was the least rewarding and the least satisfying gaming experience I’ve had since the game came out. I stay out of DoA because I don’t want a repeat of that…that…grind. I know some people like that kinda game. I don’t. I play to have fun and to relax. I don’t play to work. Anyone who does...doesn’t work. If people want an e-challenge, give them a hard mode and give that hard mode nicer loot from chests. Don’t take away a fun character from the rest of us. |
cyberjanet
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
. Razah is a 15 hour investment at minimum assuming you can find a Group. Finding a group that can complete the mission's can take weeks. Months in my case.
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BrotherGilburt
/signed
I want razah but a hero is not worth 100k of gems to me...
BrotherGilburt
I want razah but a hero is not worth 100k of gems to me...
BrotherGilburt
darkdawn
But they're is something i dont get, Razah is a ritualist wich is a faction only profession. It dosent make sence that someone who only own NF could get a rit. Here's the best thing to do:
-Add a rit hero to faction
-Add a second mesmer hero to proph.
-Make razah's profession variable like it says in the game manual.
-Add a rit hero to faction
-Add a second mesmer hero to proph.
-Make razah's profession variable like it says in the game manual.
Deadly SiNs
DoA is a very hard area, intented for the best players and to get the gems you've either got to pay a small fortune, or try and farm them. Either way, not really good ways to get Razah.
I think that they should at least get rid of the gem requirement, then the gems can be used on something else, maybe selling, coffer of whispers etc
Still keep him in DoA, that makes it a challenge so people don't get him TOO easily, but everyone would be happier that it was a little less insane to get this hero
I think that they should at least get rid of the gem requirement, then the gems can be used on something else, maybe selling, coffer of whispers etc
Still keep him in DoA, that makes it a challenge so people don't get him TOO easily, but everyone would be happier that it was a little less insane to get this hero
Tarun
Games are about challenges, and it isn't that hard to get him.
Ferret
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Originally Posted by Tarun
Games are about challenges, and it isn't that hard to get him.
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A lot of people, especially those of us in full time employment and/or married, just cant commit five straight hours to the game (which seems to be how long it can take for a less experienced group). Quite often we only have a few hours in one go that we can commit to the game and that is the main problem.
All it would need is a slight adjustment to either the seperate parts of the DoA main quest remaining as completed after you done each or for the gem requirement to get Razah to be replaced by something else that can be more easily obtained (like 250 margonite masks as i used in my earlier example), everything else can remain as it is.
Tarun
Obviously time spent is well rewarded. I work full time and go to college full time, you don't hear me complaining about having a "real life" do you? No, because this is a game, games are meant to have challenges and difficulties. I grew up with games where some of the best things were practically insane to acquire, but once you did it was very rewarding to say you got it. Which is why I have always pulled for higher levels, health, mana, damage, etc. in GW and better features. If people don't want challenges in games, maybe they should go play something like Barbie's Pony Adventures or something with similar ease. Maybe even play a console game.
VinnyRidira
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The problem with these elite super long missions for professionals is :-
A: They are elitist
If you dont have the right character type we wont even consider you. If you have the right type of character but you do not want to play the type of build we require, no way.
B: They are super long
I have played this game for too many hours maybe, but I do not wish to play a 5 hour long grind mission in order to get a hero.
IMHO: This is the worst part of this game. Do not get me wrong I love to play this game, but this is possibly worse than having spammers making your life miserable in the big towns.
The problem with these elite super long missions for professionals is :-
A: They are elitist
If you dont have the right character type we wont even consider you. If you have the right type of character but you do not want to play the type of build we require, no way.
B: They are super long
I have played this game for too many hours maybe, but I do not wish to play a 5 hour long grind mission in order to get a hero.
IMHO: This is the worst part of this game. Do not get me wrong I love to play this game, but this is possibly worse than having spammers making your life miserable in the big towns.
Dj Tano
i think it is not necessary to have rezah as a really difficult to get hero, because he is nothing more special then other heroes...
so please be a little more logical when you implement shit like this aNet!
/signed
so please be a little more logical when you implement shit like this aNet!
/signed
mqstout
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Originally Posted by Tarun
Games are about challenges, and it isn't that hard to get him.
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Windblade Ionic Z
/signed
It's insane how it is now to get Razah.
It's insane how it is now to get Razah.