[Dev Update] Heroes' Ascent Changes Coming

A company is looking to hire one individual for a contract job. The individual will be paid to perform cetain tasks that are needed of him (in GW, my time=money, and when taking a random I am basically paying with my time). Of the two people that apply, one has seeveral recomandations, and an extensive CV. The other has maybe one or two entries on his CV.
Which one are you going to take? Which one will you be investing your money (time in)? Which one is more likely to get the job done?

Why is it that job requirements are perfectly fine, but rank requirement is discrimination? I don't want to waste my time, and I doubt anybody else does.

My guild decided to open recruitment for a couple of days when we heard ATs were coming and they were time specific. Three of these recruits are likely going to get accepted. Do you want to know what rank they are? They are all rank 3 or 4. Even though my guild is a rank 8/9+ guild with a history in HA, we accepted 3 bambis because they proved themselves. They made the effort to play and improve and got recognized for their potential. We gave them a chance and they proved themselves.
You want me to give the 12 year old kid whining about rank elitism a chance? No way in hell.

Yes, but resumes are verifiable via phone calls, etc. Its a more extensive showing of your history. Rank is not.

Assuming that someone with more experience in a field will do better than someone with very little experience in the same field is almost always a much safer bet. Yes, this is an assumption based on observations.

Now the reason I am posing all this crap is because some blame everything on rank discrimination, but they do not understand that rank is not the cause of all evil in HA.

1.) its a gaaaaaaame
2.)its a friggin gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmeeeeeeeeee
3.)its a friggin gaaame ffs >_<

Using a contract job as an anology to a descrimination on a game is entirely different because of the fact that in real life you cant farm reccomendations like most people have in GW during the good ol' Iway days. Its more or less the fact that people in GW could actually have skill or they may have farmed it or may have bought it from ebay. Its more or less the matter of which one your gonna trust more. Now in personal experience ive seen more r9's ragequit or resign over some pretty dumb things like a monk has 15% dp oh noes /ragequit ftl and some pugs ive been in ive seen with better co-ordination than r6+ guild groups with vent/ts. Basically the point is that Real life cannot be accuratly compared to GW due to the fact of the many false ways of getting rank and looking like teh uber leetsaucedness as compared to real life being ok if anything on this app is false then it can come back on you with much greater consequences

well if the kid openly admitting he is 12 (which im not bringing age as a factor just quoting) and whining then thats what i belive an ignore list is for lol. But hypothetically say your a guild group lf r6/9 whatever monk, I pm you saying i have the build but im just under r3 and obviouslly cannot prove this, but there are no other monks that are lfg. You cannot tell me honestly youde accept me into the group where as far as your aware im 6-9 ranks lower than everyone else, thats the descrimination im talking about. its the generalization that unless you can make a few shiney farm animals your not worth the time

Are you arguying that rank is not a somewhat effective way to see whether someone has enough experience in HA?

no obviously its "effective" thats what its there for, but its too heavily relied upon imo

OMG And so what about how good or bad I am at pvp in your stupid opinion? I play HA just fine and most likely a lot better then you can. The reason why I can play ever class fine is because I TA a heck of a lot with EVERYTHING. I then go into HA and play those builds, ANY builds that are required and get plenty of fame just fine thank you. If you cant do that, shame.

And again, I said I find 6v6 just as fun to play as 8v8, but 8v8 will obviously be too much more overpowered, e.g with regard to the example in your second paragraph,

8v8 will be even worse with 3 Necro healers, and an extra spirit spammer carrying whatever spirits the other one doesnt have lol.

If you cant even see the reason in that, you are stupid. Go buy a brain.

More players = More Spirits + more necro healers = More energy + more healing.

Sure you can take spiritual pain in your extra slots. The quicker you kill the spirits, the more they heal lol.

8v8 WILL be to overpowered. People that cant understand that are just stuck up their 'leet sauz' covered backsides.

Well what else could you rely on? You can take chances with unranked PuGs but after a while you get sick of people running unconventional builds and making your team perform at a sup bar level.
Sorry...

Pahlease. If you ask for 2 years experience as X, and their resume has 2000-2005 worked as X for Y, how is that extensive. As for the verification through phone, that ony ever happens if they suspect something or the job is a very high profile one. And before you say "yes but they can ask you about your work experience" and whatnot, my answer is yes, they can ask you, but only AFTER and IF you meet the minimum requirement on your CV. It is the EXACT same thing as rank, if you want to make sure, you can always ask them whatever, but that comes after the part with meeting the minimum requirements.

Again, how is it that job requirements are ok, but rank requirement is a discrimination? As for it being used too heavily, again, I don't want to waste my time. Do you want to waste your time?

You should have pled the 5th amendment.

Haha.. pretty funny. I tried IWAY like 3 times AFTER I got rank 10 just for the hell of it. I played blood spike a LONGGGGGG time ago.. when it was just a fun gimmick that didn't work so great and almost nobody used it. Sure, I played some rangerspike or or dual migraine or whatever holding spike at times.. If tombs is dead and you have the option to either join a team that has a good chance of winning or join some low ranked pug that seems destined for failure, what will you choose? Anyone who knows me though....... They know that when I lead teams I played creative builds, usually hex/condition pressure or something outrageous and never attempted before.

6v6 ruined assloads of fun builds that I used to play. From just reading what you have to say it is pretty easy to tell that you are a bad player and I would never want to be on your team. If you enjoy 6v6 just as much, you probably nab all of your builds from obs mode.. If you ever made tombs builds, you would know how boring and limited 6v6 is.

All of you crying about rank elitism need to get some social networking ability. Nobody did crap for me when I was low ranked and nobody owes you a group. I got into higher ranked pugs because I proved that I knew what I was doing. I won halls a bit with my name and beat the higher ranked teams that wouldn't take me. Right before tombs went 6v6, I was doing what amounts to "charity work" lol.. I took a build from some buddies in [Rift] that was basically 3 competent players on vent using a mesmer, ranger and rit + 5 random newbies without vent playing whatever.. we suggested fire eles. I kind of added a single Mo/N infuser with OOB, heal party and vamp swarm, because it was fun and that is what I chose to play randomly the first time I joined them. We rolled over many IWAYs, blood spikes, and r9+ teams. We won halls quite often with it too.. oh well another build that would never work in 6v6 :/ When I was playing a real build and couldn't get people from friendslist, I would usually spam for r9+ or competent _____char... It wasn't too often that low rankers had vent or seemed to know how to play the character, but I met a few good players. Teams that are random pugs based on rank almost always lose or disband before they even get going... Rank is still important because it shows a bit about your experience. Rank doesn't stop you from making friends or a guild of low ranked people and going in to play.

Isn't that why they implamented build calling in outposts? O_o


I sure ask for it alot...

No it wont be MORE overpowered, did you forget your opponent can also take 8 chars into the game? It won't be 8v6...

There's a LOT more space for counterbuilds in 8v8, get interupt rangers and interupt those rits and kill the "healers" (they cant heal sh*t without heavy energymanagement). In the current 6v6 there's almost no space for interupt rangers, if you take interuptrangers you lose the needed defense like wards and other warrior hate.

I think those builds will still be overpowered in 8v8, but nothing more or less then in 6v6.

i would personally like a summary statistic after each game for each player (like warcraft XD)

coz we would like to know the damage output/health healed, damage received, no. of spell casted and the energy usage of self and team members, this would help recognise who is the noob in team disregarding their "rank", coz for many times i played with high rank people that kinda sucked, and THEN they spam their tiger emote.....

That works for pve as well...say like unit kill by each player or whatever

Hahaha now that was funny. With 8v8 you will have the option to bring a dedicated interrupter as well as a shock war with d blow etc. After these so called spirit spammers have no spirits up for energy they will crumble. Now I see why you mainly play TA.

Wth? How would the amount of health healed show any skill? How more dmg you took the more you suck? Kinda sux if you're playing a monk isn't it? So an SF ele spamming SF and glowing gaze shows more skill then someone using their spells in a good way not spamming them?

People are better when they're playing a high dmg warrior then if they're playing a kick-ass interupt ranger with no dmg?

That would be stupid, that probably shows less of your experience and skill then rank would.

Regardless of that, a lot of technics used for effectively monking on altar maps are gained through experience.
It is just one of those things you have to see for yourself before you truly understand the value of someone that has played more.

Ok well i had an idea after running around HA and not getting replies from anyone who wants to let someone with no rank into a group even though im one of 2 maybe 3 monks in HA atm. anyrate how about as a kind of...interveiw.....say you post r3 guild grp RC monk of sandstorm ward ele or something kinda stapleish. Someone comes along....tra lalalala....and tells you Ok im not r3 but i have the build can i plz join or whatever it is kids say these days. Invite them to the grp and have them ping the build. Some of the newer players or the more arrogant ones that just like to lie their way into groups for rank farm will not even catch this ping their build and it will be completely wrong. so out the winder they go. Ok now say they ping it and its the right build. Ask em what they have in atts....if its all up to code then you have someone who knows wtf theyre doing yet has no way to show it =O *plays ff7 level up theme*

/looks at guild tag.
Maybe that's what he wants :P

EDIT: not taking the piss. <3 Meow.

Who said anything about monking. (On that note, why is it I notice unranked monks being taken more than any other unranked class, when they are a critical part? o_O)

you all foools.. listen to your self ! if hoh goes 8 vs 8.. it will take 10 hours to make a etam again... and IF they make ha easy to gain fame ha will be boring... the fame in ha should still not be easy to get.. i vote for HARDER ! and pls dont change to 8 vs 8its good for guilds but not for normal people.... we gota make teams 1 hour... omg u n99bs.. say no to 8 vs 8

somewhere amongst all the grammer errors n typos i agree with that lol

This guy just has EVERYTHING figured out. Nothing gets past you spanky. You should apply to Anet as a dev.

hmm 8 vs 8 omg = gg for guilds and bad for tug peopel and friend peopel.. who got 8 friends online? and omg gona RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing take years to make teams i grown used to 6 vs 6 now.. i hated it in starting but in the end there are LOADS of builds for 6 vs 6... its just n00bs who cant adapt to the new system who cry for 8 vs 8... new maps will be great fun and so on.. hoh should still be in the end (as hold map) but all other maps = gg bla bla say no to 8 vs 8.. good for noone execpt high ranked guilds.... 6 vs 6 for eaasy teams... spike is for n00bs... pressure + balanced = skills

Well, firstly, in my field, I find a lot of job posters dont really know what they are looking for, and assume that more software knowledge = better graphic designer, which in reality, doesn't mean jack shit, since software knowledge doesn't dictate design asthetic skill, that can only be shown through portfolio work.

Secondly. i already posted my reasoning as to why i feel theres a flaw in the system.

If a group is asking for a monk with good prot skills, and your only resume is /rank, As group leader how do you know that rank was gained from being a prot monk?? You dont. You cant.

A resume for a specific job will have related entries to that specific job, or at least very related jobs.

Such a situation doesn't compare properly to the situation with rank.

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Why is it ok IRL and not in game? Because this is maybe...you know....a game? And played for fun? And frankly a game IS a waste of time, albeit a fun one.

I don't think that is what he was saying in his post. From what I read he made it a point to say that both low ranked players can be very good, whereas, high ranked players are sometimes still pretty bad.


That would actually create more of a rank discrimination. If you can't find unranked/low ranked PUG's now, and don't have a friends list as a resource for getting into HA - how will this help? There are unranked teams forming in ID1 everytime I am in there.

Observer Mode FTW!

This is a great reason for a good guild/friend list. People who PUG r3/6/9+ groups still wait a logn time to find groups and get them set up - this is universal not just limited to low/unranked players.

Don't set yourself up for this situation. Or if you do happen into it - brush it off and keep going. What you will eventually realize is that the majority of thoroughly good players in HA (that can play more than just 1 FoTM) are usually nice people that may occassionally partake in some sh*t talking because its a fun part of competition.

And the other fact is that there are many of us that have succeeded in HA and getting rank. How are you any different? Maybe you should internalize your situation - look in the mirror - and answer this question. It may help you realize what is causing you to have such a bad time in HA. Honestly, instead of getting upset about it - try and overcome it - it will make you stronger!

Meh. If keeping HA as 6v6 means we get rid of arrogant elitist HA players, then please keep 6v6.



I hope that ANET doesnt care about losing players like these.

and yet i heard of a lotta people here saying use the f-list and pugs and guild groups n whatnot. a lotta the bigger guilds ive seen are people who have been going around from one MMo to another for years so they have an automatic friend list with pretty much limitless resources. Myself on the other hand was talked into getting GW by a friend who only does PvE and doesnt know any PvP heavy people are guilds so i didnt have that luxury. Secondly in this day and age when choosing a guild its either hardcore PvP ha etc etc or PvE with friends....in 2 general catagories...not splitting down to faction farmers and gvg guilds and stuff like that. Now personally im not gonna leave my alliance or guild with my friends in it for a few measily fame points...im sorry but i have a life =). Thirdly being pugs, now with a pug your kinda hit or miss on the group. Sometimes theyre good sometimes they just royally suck and you wont even get past the zaishen. Some people may have more luck with this that builds up their friends list. Again this is one of those things i dont have the luxury of. I've met a few good players once in a blue moon but after adding them to my friends list they would never get back on or never wanna go to Halls or anything...so it basically kinda turns that idea into the crapper. Not everyone is gonna have the same exact HA experience its just not gonna happen....yeah your r3/6/9/12 whatever yeah woohoo good for you but ffs chill the hell out on it once in a while you dont need to have a stick up your ass about it 24/7

250 fame a day? omg stupid most peopel i know avreage fames 30 (those who are less then rank 9)

250 fame a day? omg stupid most peopel i know avreage fames 30 (those who are less then rank 9) a day

How did this topic get off on rank discrimination anyway? It was supposed to be about changes in HA... either way, it was easier to get into HA from r0 in the 8v8 environment because there were more builds and some of them (iway, b spike, etc.) were easier to play. Of course, in 6v6 so many people left there is less competition and more unranked groups, so it is also easier in 8v8 in a different way...

@bhavv
Yes, 8v8 HA will be overpowered. That is why it worked perfectly for one year +
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there are guilds that done 1.5k fame runs Spank... (in 6vs6)

Changes to HA could also = Changes in the rank system, which is part of HA. It has gotten to the point where if I get my unranked guildie into the group I made half the group ragequits or complain "omg, who cares if he's your guildie, he's unranked! kick him!"....its ridiculous.

Biggest change I'd like: make sure builds (both team and player) becoma as variable as possible, so you don't get: 'We need a "Example Build"' -> 'I have, but with some little changes who made it better to me and...' -> 'No, we don't need you then,' *kick*...
Ok, sounds noobish, but it isn't meant as that. The yo get is that you make builds to conquer builds because no one ever take new builds.

How this can be done? No idea...

I never suffered from rank discrimination for some reasons:

friends
skill
mature,


seriously, this sounds like 12 year olds talking, its like I started playing football yestarday, but they dont let me in Real Madrid yet but they would let Ronaldo or Zidane. Im just as good them as ffs noobs!

Well said.

I really miss hex builds in 8v8 >.< It farms alot of FotM builds.

And 2 monk backline in 8v8 is more fun :P

Just in ID1 now

A nasty sign that the rank problem is getting worse, the average rank people want is 8/9+.............

It used to be 3+...

Does that mean if I copy skill for skill attribute for attribute Esoteric Warriors' build im going to get a gold cape? Just because you have the same build as good players doesnt mean you play it well.

If you truly want to become competitive in HA then the rank barrier wont be enough to stop you, you will just rank up slowly at first, like MOST other people before you.

Also for those people trying to convinve others that rank doesnt matter, you have to realize that for people who dont understand how HA (and PvP in general) works are GOING to think that they NEED rank 3 to get in a good group, and when they do get rank 3 they are going to see EXACTLY HOW CRAPPY Rank 3 PUGS are then they may think that they need Rank 6, well by the time they get to rank 6 they will realize that the rank system isnt what won them most of their fame, its their friendslist, I know you are trying to help them, but they just cant see it yet, just give them some time. No need for a 10 page thread on this.

And on the flip side of the unranked players deserving a better system, the only thing that my alliance has been doing lately is trying to get our allies some fame in HA. 9/10 of those players have alot of fun, the other 10% rage when we lose, not realizing that THERE ARE BETTER TEAMS THAN US and then they spam the chat about how we suck, our build is garbage and that their Shock Axe warrior would have done nothing but Pwn the face off the other team and he could have taken them 6v1. There are those people that are unranked that are "LEET" also and they are too good even for ranked groups, so its a mind set and nothing else, these PVE players that think that since they can solo the Trolls that SURELY they can win in PVP also. Im not speaking for all the unranked, but I am just giving you another scenario that will happen all day.

Lets just say that Anet impements a system that makes it so that if you are ranked you MUST take an unranked player into your 6th slot, you will see unranked people farming fame like snowball arenas, they will AFK farm fame, or maybe they will attempt to be helpful but they will rage quit if the team is going to lose and say "OMG you guys SUCK!!!!". To suggest that fame needs to be easier for new players defeats the entire purpose of a TEAM based arena. Heck even in random arena where you dont get to choose your team, people will rage quit if they dont see a monk, so there is "monk" discrimination there, that should be looked into also.