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Cruz Ctrl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

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27 Feb 2007 at 02:47 - 1

Well...anyway I started this thread because I see some skills that are just plain crap...

Example:
Suicide {Elite} (Warrior)
You Die.
Energy:25 CT: 10 Seconds Recharge: 60

I think this skill sux cuz it does...

Then People Will Just Keep Posting Skills They Think are Bad, we give them feedback and so on

Ill Start Off:

"The Power Is Yours!" {Elite} (Paragon)
All party members within earshot gain 1-7 energy. For 10 seconds you have -10 energy degeneration
Energy: 10 CT: 0 Recharge: 20

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/%22The_...Is_Yours%21%22

one of the worst elites i have seen...your party members within earshot get a weak 7 energy and u get -10 energy degen...for 10 seconds?! I really dont get the point of this skill, signets and adrenaline might help, but this skill just plain sucks...

Bring on the Posts!

Note: I know every skill in the game cant please everybody...this thread is just to get opinions and have fun...so dont get worked up if someone says a skill that they think is bad, but you have another opinion. K thnx in advance

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

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27 Feb 2007 at 03:00 - 2

The Power Is Yours is probably one of the many skills that look horrible on it's own, but are the way they are because they can be combined with other professions skills to perform some role.
Unfortunately many skills are balanced in a way so that they are not overpowered in a particular group setup, but at the same time for the average player who doesn't meticulously try to setup a group a certain way it's a worthless skill.

I don't know if there'll ever be a balance that makes everyone happy. I don't know if future skills will be developed to be both equally useful to GvG setups as well as average PVE play.

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

27 Feb 2007 at 03:05 - 3

Let's fix the skill then:

"The Power is Yours!"
5 Energy / 5 Recharge
Elite Shout. For 10 seconds, target other ally gains +1..4 energy regeneration, and you suffer -2 energy degeneration. This skill has half the normal casting range.

This would be like a lower-powered BiP with less backlash. You could maintain it on two guys at once and even use skills like Enduring Harmony to boost the power of the skill.

Or:

"The Power is Yours!"
10 Energy / 20 Recharge
Elite Shout. For 10 seconds, all allies in earshot gain +1..3 energy regeneration. For each ally effected, you lose 5 energy.

Using this would essentially nuke your current energy pool, but it doesn't really matter because an adrenal shout would easily fill it back up. This shout would also affect yourself, which is pretty darn notable.

Cruz Ctrl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

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27 Feb 2007 at 03:11 - 4

Good suggestions, but I think that the 1st idea would be a bit too much because of the low recharge and energy cost, the -2 degen would be nothing compared to the 33% sacrifice of the BiP. The energy degen is easily countered because many of the paragon skills are based on adrenaline.It could easily replace BiP. Maybe toning down the power of that. But it would be a great upgrade for this skill.

You just got tomahawked

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

H-Town

The Battle Bakery [vPie]

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27 Feb 2007 at 03:41 - 5

I have never heard of suicide...

BryanM

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

27 Feb 2007 at 03:42 - 6

Swirling Aura - vastly worse than Shields Up. At the very least it should provide 2/3-3/4 personal projectile protection.

noocoo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

27 Feb 2007 at 04:04 - 7

Paragon's elite are just almost too plain to be compared with others.

IMO, the worst elite skill in GW is [skill]Word of Censure[/skill]

I still don't understand why Anet make such useless skill like this. I never saw that smiters use this spell, even is E/Mo.

Also, I don't get where the "censure" is. It should make some bonus while target foe is attacking or something.

Anyway, for me, this skill was made for holding a post without the necessary qualifications and just to make up the numbers.

Canadian Bacon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Ontario, Canada

Kingdom of Tyria [KoT]

27 Feb 2007 at 04:53 - 8

I'm 99% sure that Suicide isn't a real skill...guilwiki hasn't heard of it either.

Chilly Ress

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Kinetic Fusion [kF]

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27 Feb 2007 at 05:05 - 9

Did you read the word "example" next to suicide?

Gustin

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

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27 Feb 2007 at 05:08 - 10

I'd have to say Lightbringer's Signet, if that counts. Esspecially since it's an Elite. Has anyone ever even used this crap? There are regular elites that are 100 times better at adrenaline gain or energy gain. Grant it, none that are together so it kind of makes itself a warrior/paragon elite but either way, who would really use this in place of something far better?

BryanM

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

27 Feb 2007 at 05:09 - 11

He was just trying to make something up as a sample guys.

More discussion on the awfulness of Swirling Aura!

When they create gimpy skills outside of the attribute they feel that function belongs in (Ride the Lightning, Swirly Aura)... it often just ends up as a non-skill overall.

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Feb 2007 at 06:00 - 12

Retreat

Frenzied Defense

Pounce

Glimmer of Light= orison + a puny 10 points and fancy ELITE name seems to be a filler skill created during a writers block I think.

Shield of Absorbtion-used to be good but now with cast time being a large portion of its duration I absolutely hate it. It was nerfed to thwart farmers forcing more people to buy gold online.

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Some Guru Named Kai

Frost Gate Guardian

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westAscalon4lyfe?

Giggity Giggity [GOO]

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27 Feb 2007 at 06:18 - 13

Vengeance is pretty bad.

Zorglubb

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

27 Feb 2007 at 06:37 - 14

About half of the skills in GuildWars are useless, and of all skills probably less than 10% should really be used, the rest being weaker or less practical variants of those 10%.

divinechancellor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

Limited Liability Company [LLC]

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27 Feb 2007 at 06:42 - 15

Ontagh's Cry

Not sure how to spell it: useless!

keli

Krytan Explorer

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Budapest

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27 Feb 2007 at 06:46 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

Retreat

Frenzied Defense

Pounce

Glimmer of Light= orison + a puny 10 points and fancy ELITE name seems to be a filler skill created during a writers block I think.

Shield of Absorbtion-used to be good but now with cast time being a large portion of its duration I absolutely hate it. It was nerfed to thwart farmers forcing more people to buy gold online.

Withdraw Hexes

Deny Hexes

Glimmer of Light? No you are wrong, its pretty good in team arenas example.(1/4casting time and +10healing is awesome).
Shield of Absorbtion? Well, i still use this skill with my henchies and for farm too and i have to say its pretty good. And btw i can still farm with it.

The worst elite in the game is oughty cry :S:S

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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27 Feb 2007 at 08:03 - 17

I've used WoC on my monk one or twice.

100 Blades is probably one of the worst skills in the game.

EDIT: I use it for certain builds, but I still don't think it's that great being the sword core elite.

remmeh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Apathy Inc [AI]

R/Mo

27 Feb 2007 at 08:18 - 18

Frenzied Defense is actually pretty decent for Arenas on a Mo/W with Protective Spirit.

Shield of Absorption used to be excellent preprot and is now still very useful for mitigating damage on a trained target even with the 1s cast.

letsee... Otyugh's Cry, Revive Animal... hell, half the Beast Mastery skills are pretty useless... Strike As One, Scavenger's Focus, Archer's Signet, Marksman's Wager, Expert's Dexterity, Power Shot!...

Enchanter's Conundrum, Simple Thievery, Visions of Regret, Tease, Air of Disenchantment, Extend Conditions, Power Leech, Power Flux, Persistence of Memory... i'm gonna go ahead and say that pretty much all of the Mesmer nightfall elite skills are completely and utterly useless.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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27 Feb 2007 at 08:19 - 19

Frenzied Defense- LOL. Frenzy, but doing no damage, 75% chance to block! What happens when you get hit with ele damage? Yeah.

Lightbringers Signet- Honestly who'd waste an elite slot for this skill?

Remmeh, Visions of Regret rapes me countlessly since I use an adrenal warrior. But I agree with Tease, what an utterly useless skill.

dgb

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/Me

27 Feb 2007 at 08:29 - 20

Retreat can see play under very certain circumstances (namely that you're carrying around a level 2 pet that exists to die to power retreat).

[skill]Deflect Arrows[/skill] has to be pretty close to the top. Seriously, if you want defence just use a decent stance not this pile of shit.
[skill]Supportive Spirit[/skill] - if I know someone is going to be knocked down they're going to get GOOD protection on them, not this junk
[skill]Poisoned Heart[/skill]
[skill]Extend Conditions[/skill]

All of the above fail at being useful.

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

27 Feb 2007 at 09:20 - 21

Some skills are made for secondary professions. Martyr anyone?

But my "favorite" would be Second wind because it's a cure that makes the ailment worse.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

27 Feb 2007 at 09:26 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

Shield of Absorbtion-used to be good but now with cast time being a large portion of its duration I absolutely hate it. It was nerfed to thwart farmers forcing more people to buy gold online.

Wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by noocoo

I still don't understand why Anet make such useless skill like this. I never saw that smiters use this spell, even is E/Mo.

Armor ignoring damage and a 2s recharge... seems somewhat like a monk discord, I wouldn't be too surprised if it got a buff and became a gimmick spike skill. As it is though... not a great skill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some Guru Named Kai

Vengeance is pretty bad.

A very fun skill to use in PvE, it's a quick res if someone critical (monk) goes down and needs to be brought up to hold the group together while you retreat. The long recharge hurts it alot, but I've always liked it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgb

Retreat can see play under very certain circumstances (namely that you're carrying around a level 2 pet that exists to die to power retreat).

Unless it was changed since release, iQ used retreat in a build with W/Rs to devastating effect.

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

27 Feb 2007 at 09:29 - 23

I am suprised no one mentioned Chiliblains.

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

27 Feb 2007 at 09:41 - 24

I actually use that in combination with reapers mark sometimes. Removes lots of enchants, deals a nice splash to enemy minion packs and allows Talkhora to use RC on you to instantly heal the damage you took wile closing in.
You can use plague sending too.

It's flawed, but far from terrible.

dgb

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/Me

27 Feb 2007 at 09:41 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Unless it was changed since release, iQ used retreat in a build with W/Rs to devastating effect.

It was the weekend Open Event for Germany Qualifying. From memory they ran two thumpers, and a W/R with said level 2 pet and a whole bunch of smiters.

BryanM

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

27 Feb 2007 at 19:43 - 26

Chilblains is pretty bad. But there is one type of player that makes good use of it: Those groups of monsters with a half a dozen copies of the thing who also cause extra damage from it because they cheat by having a higher level than you.

That's about the main reason it exists.

I would like to nominate that Extend Conditions skill as the absolute worst skill in the entire game, for anywhere in PvE or PvP. Elemental Flame (which needs to also do a little +damage when a hAx ends), Swirling Aura.... those things beat Extend Conditions into the dust in the realm of usefulness.

A 20 second recharge on extending (not reapplying, this ain't something to combo with Fragility, it sure isn't) the easiest to remove impediments in the game. Even having a team unload every condition in the game on one guy, I can not see it being worth a skill slot for this affect. Let alone an ELITE slot.

I'm open to ideas for it, of course. Just haven't heard any compelling ones yet.

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Feb 2007 at 20:48 - 27

[QUOTE=Avarre]Wrong.QUOTE]
o rly...coulda swore it ruined my build in one farming spot and made me rage purchase some gp but thanks for the correction i guess i was delusional and that never happened

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

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27 Feb 2007 at 21:26 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

o rly...coulda swore it ruined my build in one farming spot and made me rage purchase some gp but thanks for the correction i guess i was delusional and that never happened

I guess all of those people that still use it just fine are crazy.

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

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27 Feb 2007 at 21:42 - 29

Word of Censure is very nice for a smiter, a true smiter in PvE. There are not many smiting skills that do large damage with short recharge.

Deflect Arrows is good, in the right circumstances. It is very good on a W/Mo running build.

Visions of Regret is also a killer skill.... if you are going against adrenal mobs. The problem, along with many mesmer skills or others you are pointing out, is they are situational. You usually won't want to keep these skills on your bar at all times. They are specialty purpose or meant to have builds made around them.

I can see supportive spirit being very useful in the Arborstone mission. In that type of situation, I don't want your protection, I want your heal.

Think outside the box people, and don't just make knee-jerk reactions.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

27 Feb 2007 at 22:30 - 30

Wtf is everyones problem with Lightbringers Signet? Use that at r6-8 Lightbringer and you get 18-24 free energy with a 25s recharge.

There are much better things to use, but in terms of Energy gain... this is 1 of the best if used vs Demons obviously. Even Mantra of Recall/Energy Drain would only give ~10-14 energy minus the cost.

Its just theres usually no need to run it over a healing or offensive elite.

All i can think of atm is Word of Censure after reading page 1... that skill has no use.

noocoo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

27 Feb 2007 at 22:54 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

Word of Censure is very nice for a smiter, a true smiter in PvE. There are not many smiting skills that do large damage with short recharge.

[skill]Signet of Judgment[/skill] ftw!

Actually, Anet should not give monk this kind of direct damage spell. It should be a spell which can cause indirect damage and some protective effects, like [skill]reversal of damage[/skill].

Also, it is useless for a smiter even in pve or pvp, since [skill]Signet of Judgment[/skill] and [skill]Ray of Judgment[/skill] are far better in pve.

Cruz Ctrl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

27 Feb 2007 at 23:00 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Wtf is everyones problem with Lightbringers Signet? Use that at r6-8 Lightbringer and you get 18-24 free energy with a 25s recharge.

There are much better things to use, but in terms of Energy gain... this is 1 of the best if used vs Demons obviously. Even Mantra of Recall/Energy Drain would only give ~10-14 energy minus the cost.

Its just theres usually no need to run it over a healing or offensive elite.

All i can think of atm is Word of Censure after reading page 1... that skill has no use.

well...first off all, gettin 15,000 lightbringer points would take a while to get...and as you said just to be useful... right now even at r1, it is an ok skill. it being a signet gives u 9 free energy and adrenaline so ya its not a bad effect...

so true with WoC though ^^ yet another useless skill

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

27 Feb 2007 at 23:12 - 33

well thats easy
[skill]Balthazar's Pendulum[/skill]
the cast time makes it kind bad for prevention and even so why waste your elite on somthing so situational they could at least give it some kind of better effect on the knockdown...

[skill]"Incoming!"[/skill]...its just a joke now (unless you can see the future that is)

Trixz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/

27 Feb 2007 at 23:16 - 34

Probably Zealous Benediction. It uses too much energy. Word of Healing is much better then this.

notskorn

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Clan Roxor

W/E

27 Feb 2007 at 23:23 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixz

Probably Zealous Benediction. It uses too much energy. Word of Healing is much better then this.

Most monks don't even need a healing skill! If they would all just run signet of midnight then they wouldn't ever feel any pressure!

Saphatorael

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

27 Feb 2007 at 23:24 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixz

Probably Zealous Benediction. It uses too much energy. Word of Healing is much better then this.

Lawl. Warn me next time you're going to make a joke like that, I almost choked o.o

Try waiting until your target is under 50%hp, otherwise it's basically a Heal Other/Jamei's Gaze 'dupe' in elite form, which is still quite decent... but getting the maximum out of this skill will basically be a free HO/JG, can't beat that with WoH.

Personally, I hate the skill (doesn't mean I don't use it though), but a straight heal in the Protection Prayers line is just plain foul. Give Healing Prayers damage prevention or condition removal to at least make it a bit more viable again.

unknown1

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

27 Feb 2007 at 23:25 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixz

Probably Zealous Benediction. It uses too much energy. Word of Healing is much better then this.

its not bad it gives u back the energy so u could cast it an unlimited amount of time in the right situations

Wildi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

PvE is the Metagame

27 Feb 2007 at 23:36 - 38

Incoming <- probably impossible to nerf even more
Elemental Flame <- you can try any combo but it's still bad

Cruz Ctrl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

27 Feb 2007 at 23:36 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by notskorn

Most monks don't even need a healing skill! If they would all just run signet of midnight then they wouldn't ever feel any pressure!

then their monks would just us Restore Condition or another one of the many condition removers of GW...

Anyway heres another one:
Shared Burden {Elite} (Mesmer)
For 3-14 Seconds, target foe and all nearby foes move 50% slower
Energy: 15 CT: 2 Recharge: 25

hm this skill is just a fancy elite for deep freeze...why waste ur elite slot on a skill that has less range than Deep Freeze...besides deep freeze can be used as a secondary because of the snare not the dmg...GoLE can lower that pesky 25 energy cost...but this skill is just a waste of an elite that shouldnt be needed at all...useless in pve boring in pvp...Deep Freeze ftw

Aera

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

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27 Feb 2007 at 23:39 - 40

Whoa I can't believe the amount of retardedness in this topic :|

Avarra already gave some nice pieces of comments but here's some more:

Frenzied Defense:
How does it suck. Use it as a Mo/W, keep prot spirit on yourself. Ha ha mr assasin, haha. Same goes for warriors, paragons, rangers and dervishes.

Pounce:
Use it with Rampage As One as a thumper, gg for people still trying to kite. You can also use Call of Haste

I agree on all of these though:

letsee... Otyugh's Cry, Revive Animal... hell, half the Beast Mastery skills are pretty useless... Strike As One, Scavenger's Focus, Archer's Signet, Marksman's Wager, Expert's Dexterity, Power Shot!...

Enchanter's Conundrum, Simple Thievery, Visions of Regret, Tease, Air of Disenchantment, Extend Conditions, Power Leech, Power Flux, Persistence of Memory... i'm gonna go ahead and say that pretty much all of the Mesmer nightfall elite skills are completely and utterly useless.

But seriously, Otyugh's Cry needs a nerf. Badly.