[Dev Update] Hard Mode and Sunspear & Lightbringer Titles

prism2525

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

i guess it will be much easier to find max damage serpent axes/tyrian sickles and the like since higher-end loot in low level areas. not to mention the loot that will only spawn in hard mode. can't wait.

*teleports to end of april*

Hengist Meldanash

Hengist Meldanash

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

UNI

W/E

Sounds like a lot of fun ahead, Sorrow's Furnace in Hard Mode someone?

...and wait...*begin to think of a solo build to farm lvl 28 charrs at Nolani's Academy*

Keep the good stuff coming Anet (with some extra storage please!! )

Heng.

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

I'm geniunely interested in the skill bar improvements on monsters, but I hope they don't come with a retarded DoA-like playstyle and "hard mode" environment effects that deal 200 damage to you whenever you breathe. I'd like to play GW against AI with intelligent bars and behaviour, not abusing prot spirit against retarded monsters that wand you for half of your life total.

But my WoW subscription has to be renewed on april 12th and I'll bet you anything anet is not ready within a month... so meh.

What about PvP gaile? Are you at least planning to pull that side of your game out of the pile of shit it's been stuck in?

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

This is so freekin awesome... all the old low level missions now have been revitalized! Kryta, Ascalon, N Shiverpeaks, Magumma... all have playability again!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starmidder
Sincerely,
A guy anxiously awaiting Gaile's reply dismissing everything said in this post as being the rant of someone who knows nothing.
Don't need Gaile or a "groupie" to tell you that, it's pretty obvious you don't. Anyone who's been paying attention to the game industry knows that making release dates is unrealistic. Why do you think that ID changed it's policy to always have a release of "when it's done".
If you think that late updates are because of a lazy team, you're just silly. Late deadlines are in every industry. From Pratt & Whitney to ANET.

Artkin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

RARE

W/Mo

probably won't be done for MONTHS though

Crimso

Crimso

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

PCformatforums[PCFF]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymat
cant wait to do thunderhead keep on hard mode
I can't wait to fight the final bosses of each chapter on hard mode and glint and kuunavang. I hope they all get super powered skills and pose an extremely difficult challenge.

MirageMaster

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

What about henchies? will they be high lvl as well? or do we have to deal with low lvl crap even in hard mode?

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

Yayyyyyyy... I knew I've been chest farming for a reason =]

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarzan Yamada
It is possible to max Lightbringer Titles. I have done it with my main character. Does this mean that you are going to add additional tiers to lightbringer like you did with Sunspear? I had to kill over 25000 margonites for that title and it took forever. If I need to kill another 25000 for the next level I'm going to cry.
QFT. Could Gaile possibly respond to this? (pretty please with sugar?) Was that just a misspoken comment, or is a new level coming to the LB title? Because LB is maxable, and always has been.

Thanks

Skawtt

Skawtt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Oregon

W/N

Yay lockpicks! I cant wait to see how there going to work out exactly.

Hengis

Hengis

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

London

Better Than Life (BTL)

R/

This could quite possibly be the best update ever in the history of Guild Wars!

I am so looking forward to redoing the old missions again :-)

Hopefully it will be balanced at "hard" rather than "frustratingly impossible".

I do have one question though. Will you be able to do Hard Mode missions with other players who have not completed the game on Normal Mode, or will Hard Mode only be available once you have the Protector titles?

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

Honestly now I can see them hold off if they want to until the next campaign to insert it. It would be a big marketing device for them to use in the next follow-up in GW. My question still consists of how the other, rather smaller implementations are going on the next skill balance. Also the Ranger pet control thing, and the new Mesmer PvE update.

Buttermilk

Buttermilk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

Mo/

YAY!
I've always wanted to help Rurik kill some lvl 20+ Charr
You'll increase his level too, right?.......

TabascoSauce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Virginia, US

TFgt

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starmidder
---BEGIN RANT---

Cut for brevity

-----END RANT-----
Starmidder, Gaile Gray is the messenger. What was the rule, hmmm, oh yeah do not shoot the messenger.

You know, I do not agree with everything ANet is doing.

--Begin my rant--

1) The game is increasingly forcing me as a player to take a specific cookie cutter build(s) to beat the bad guys. Specific example - without "Shields Up" in the Morah Mission, you are taking crazy damage and will have that wonderful wipe experience. So, a generic build that would have won in Prophecies will not longer cut it in Factions or Nightfall.
2) The game itself is getting larger and larger in scope, so that it takes more and more time for me to go and get all those needed cookie-cutter skills in every new campaign with not only the characters I had before, but the new ones I make.
3) I now have to farm (which I abhorr) to get the money to buy all those hundreds of skills. I did a quick survey and I have over 200 skills, regular and elite, to get spread out across all 10 character classes. I'd go to the Gold Vendors, but I have some pride left. And this does not even count the runes, weapons, and upgrades for the heroes, more cha-ching and farming (yech).
4) I have a real-life family and job, so unlike many of the people who post here I cannot just take a whole week or two off and play the game night and day until I get it done. So all you people who have debated these things with me before, and said "sucks to be you, I got time so I dont care", I am not giving up on promoting making the game easier as an option for us working people who can use the help!

--End my rant--

See? No shooting the messenger. You can disagree without making it personal.

Thx!
TabascoSauce

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
QFT. Could Gaile possibly respond to this? (pretty please with sugar?) Was that just a misspoken comment, or is a new level coming to the LB title? Because LB is maxable, and always has been.

Thanks
We can't expect Gaile to know everything.... hell, we can't expect her to know anything. She picked an example of 'go through Flame Temple Corridor fighting Lvl20+ foes'... and she didn't pick Great Northern Wall? Because funnily enough Flame Temple Corridor already has lvl20+ foes in the form of Titan Source.

Starmidder, nice post I'm sure parts of it are true too. Because tbh they're really not making me want to buy anything else they produce (once guild wars is over). Everything they promise is either shit, badly implemented/designed, just plain late or all of the above. The only single thing they've ever got right was Sorrows Furnace. I'd take another 1 of those over another DoA or Urgoz (i refuse to mention the other piece of shit). I guess you could include the Tombs too.

Anyway, Gaile gave them a month at the most till this is implemented (considering she said something would be implemented yesterday?), which means we may get it in a exactly 31 days, all at once, causing the entire server to crash and burn yet again. Hell, maybe 1 day they'll notice the Bug forum and actually take some notes.

Can i just say in advance... well planned.

Fobdo

Fobdo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

This is most awesome.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

This news is getting a thumbs up.

I just hope it comes within the thirty days...And that I can still bring Heroes with me.

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Maybe we should begin a new thread, but....

Vanquisher and Guardian titles!

I will venture a guess and suppose that Guardian is awarded for completing all missions on Hard-Mode. Sort of a Protector v2.0 title.

Any thoughts on the Vanquisher title?

Zedd Kun

Zedd Kun

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

Rt/

New weapons and skills?! I love you!!


.. Seriously, I really love you!

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

I wanna know what this new Vanquisher title is gonna be...It sounds cool, though.

And PLEASE! Info on Lightbringer title!

Perhaps the fact that she didn't comment at all on it is a sign...?

vavidoa

vavidoa

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

Portugal

E/Mo

There aren't PVP news????

cthulhu reborn

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

I am most impressed with this I must say...this is good news indeed!!

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Will we need to make new characters for hard mode, or can we take them back and forth?

Hopefully we can take them back and forth.

<sarcasm>I just love how the news came a full day late from the Community Staff.</end sarcasm>

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarun
Will we need to make new characters for hard mode, or can we take them back and forth?

Hopefully we can take them back and forth.
I think that'd be too hardcore to make it impossible to go back and forth between modes. I'd imagine it as a party setting, or something. I don't know how that'll look on the Interface, though. It seems like the most appropiate place is in the Party window.

If they made it so you couldn't go back in forth between modes, that'd limit you from playing and helping your friends and other people in normal mode. I don't think it's anything to be concerned about, so don't worry.

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

I agree with the massive skill requirement cost 'specially with heroes.

Gaile really didn't say that much so I can't see how people are getting so excited...

What I'd like to see is random monster skill bars (like 6 or 7 well thought out builds per class put into your foes at random). This, along with random spawns would eliminate cookie cutter builds and force some diversification and make the game harder.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

As long as new skillbars means new skills that we have access to (AKA, no more Enraged), then this should be promising. New drops as well? Should be fun.

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedd Kun
New weapons and skills?! I love you!!


.. Seriously, I really love you!
That’s why they had that weapon art contest not too while back.

Choc

Choc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Bavaria

Blu Ray (DVDF)

W/

First off, I give you all at ANET a big pat on the back for making this adjustment. Its a great move and one that meets the "significant change required in GW" from people I've spoken to. On that note, I do honestly hope that you guys will do something regarding the "mob coding" in missions and quests so that there is some kind of fluctuation in what a party will run into. For example, Anguish is a great challenge BUT it can really only be done with a few cookie-cutter team builds and each mob will use "X" skill coupled with "Y" and "Z." What I mean is, fluctuate the skill sets of mobs so that instead of the first one using alot of degen perhaps it uses energy drain/denial on one go and then another time its a AoE mob. Simply put, if you have a Para in Anguish... well congrats for making it but you are screwed for finding a team. Please avoid this! Thanks

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

People talk about the Charr in hard mode...

... how about them Flame Djinn?

camael

camael

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Outlandos D'Amour

Me/

Most of that sounds cool, except for one part.

I am all for working on my treasure hunter title. But afking and spending hundreds of platnum so that I can get lucky title for better drops? NO thank you. So now it's come to the people who have money make more money, which is why I stopped playing other games. Dumb.

c_ras

c_ras

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Eternal Deliverance

R/

I am also intrigued by the Vanquisher title and what that is all about especially after it was under the impression of everyone that the Guardian title would be Masters/M+B for each of the missions in the three campaigns.

With Hard Mode, there should be better drops and such as well from what it sounds like. I'm happy about this. I wonder if you have a character that finishes Nightfall or Factions again but this time in Hard Mode if you will get another Amulet of the Mist/Book of Secrets.

What I am also trying to find out is how they plan on segregating (or if they even are) the Normal Mode people/places from the Hard Mode people/places. I'm not sure if they are gonna do that or if they are just going to mix everyone and force everyone to form groups and "weed out" the normal/hard mode people when they want to do a mission. The whole skill balance thing is going to be very interesting. I hope they have some tricks up their sleeves.

- Aldoros of Faydark

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Quote:
Originally Posted by camael
Most of that sounds cool, except for one part.

I am all for working on my treasure hunter title. But afking and spending hundreds of platnum so that I can get lucky title for better drops? NO thank you. So now it's come to the people who have money make more money, which is why I stopped playing other games. Dumb.
Agreed. Farming some areas to earn money is hard enough as it is. Especially when they constantly nerf the farming areas. Selling items is almost the only way to get cash. No auction house to help get money to earn these crappy titles that require the cash. Poor planning on their part.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by TabascoSauce
Starmidder, Gaile Gray is the messenger. What was the rule, hmmm, oh yeah do not shoot the messenger.

You know, I do not agree with everything ANet is doing.

--Begin my rant--

1) The game is increasingly forcing me as a player to take a specific cookie cutter build(s) to beat the bad guys. Specific example - without "Shields Up" in the Morah Mission, you are taking crazy damage and will have that wonderful wipe experience. So, a generic build that would have won in Prophecies will not longer cut it in Factions or Nightfall.
2) The game itself is getting larger and larger in scope, so that it takes more and more time for me to go and get all those needed cookie-cutter skills in every new campaign with not only the characters I had before, but the new ones I make.
I don't understand this at all. You found a mission where there is ONE skill that is needed, and you are complaining because of that, you can only bring cookie cutter skills?

You're also complaining that the game is expanding and getting larger...are you just looking for things to complain about?

Gwmaster

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada/Quebec

N/

this sounds pretty awesome and for some reason i smell max damage tribals

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

Dang people. They give you free beer and you complain because the mug doesn't match your eyes.

Sheesh.

Sk8tborderx

Sk8tborderx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

PA

Us Are Not [leet]

W/

So are they going to make the aoe flee for hard mode and on normal mode it will go back to how it was?

Sorry if that was asked already I did not read through all of the posts.

Alana Fier

Alana Fier

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

dirty south.

Nagas With Attitude [nWa]

Mo/Me

Woo hoo! Cant wait! Gives me sumthing eles to do now! x]

killercroc

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

awesome!!! just gotta get my chars pass the game =)
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mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

Sigh for the "more PvE skills". Props for the rest, especially the rebalancing of normal play so normal players can play it. I can't wait to enjoy "Fun Mode" and let all the elitists have their hard mode without ruining everyone else's enjoyment of the game. Now I just hope they don't make too much of a dichotomy between them -- such as "hard mode only" heroes, skills (or even worse, skills that work differently in the two), etc. That is, I hope they stick to their goal of time and devotion to the game do not yield you gameplay-affecting perks.

On a reread: boo to the lockpicks. Yet more titles having an effect on game play. I'm still looking for hard mode to be rolled out so I can enjoy the endgame content of fun ("normal") mode once again.

c_ras

c_ras

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Eternal Deliverance

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Dang people. They give you free beer and you complain because the mug doesn't match your eyes.

Sheesh.
LOL. I think other people are complaining because they were ONLY given a mug....and not a keg. And then the continued to complain when they realized that it was Pabst. Ha ha ha