The way I see it, the level 20 cap allows your character to reach the limit of its abilities, and then it was down to the player, rather than the character.
That's what I enjoyed about the previous GW chapters, both PvP and PvE. It's not about who has been grinding the hardest or longest, but about the skill.
PC Gamer Has Landed!
Machinae
Total Disfunction
Licking my chops mmmmmm good I like all this sounds fun.
Even if it becomes more WOW like. GW > WOW Graphics and over all fun!
Even if it becomes more WOW like. GW > WOW Graphics and over all fun!
VitisVinifera
Like many others, I have two main questions that my life hinges upon:
1. What is the nature of the level cap for GW1, as GW:EN introduces. Personally I hope it allows me to venture into DOA, as well as completing all these Realm of Torment quests without pulling my hair out. If it is a raise in cap level where certain things are accumulated (hp/energy, attribute points, something else?), will it be retroactive; ie, will my current xp automatically raise me to the appropriate level?
2. Can we take our GW1 toons into GW2
1. What is the nature of the level cap for GW1, as GW:EN introduces. Personally I hope it allows me to venture into DOA, as well as completing all these Realm of Torment quests without pulling my hair out. If it is a raise in cap level where certain things are accumulated (hp/energy, attribute points, something else?), will it be retroactive; ie, will my current xp automatically raise me to the appropriate level?
2. Can we take our GW1 toons into GW2
Everyman
The one thing that Anet has still not responded to that, in my opinion, will have a strong impact on the success/failure (judging from many of those I have spoken to including most of my guild) is whether characters will import in some fashion from GW 1 to GW2 or not. I think that unless they release some official statement about that, a non-trivial number of players are going to move on before Eye of the North, especially in the wake of several major MMPOG releases coming over the next few months.
blastm
I don't care if it's 20 or 100...
the low level cap made people think this game was short.
if all it take to please them is a high number, bring it on.
Now, Guild Wars Was all about balance, and fun&quick-paced missions.
If in guild wars 2, the average player can't compete with they guy who spent his life on it; and if it take 3h straight for each mission, plus 1h grouping, then it wouldn't be GW anymore.
the low level cap made people think this game was short.
if all it take to please them is a high number, bring it on.
Now, Guild Wars Was all about balance, and fun&quick-paced missions.
If in guild wars 2, the average player can't compete with they guy who spent his life on it; and if it take 3h straight for each mission, plus 1h grouping, then it wouldn't be GW anymore.
The Ernada
Another problem with high amounts of level caps are equipment requirements. Imagine a level cap of 80. That's a lot of equipment to go through as you level up and the old equipment gets obsolete. It's not like how it is now where you can easily meet the requirement of max weapons because the level cap is low. With higher level caps it means a lot longer to meet requirements of max weapons.
But let's hear what Gaile has to say on all this before going nuts.
But let's hear what Gaile has to say on all this before going nuts.
dead man ivan
Gaile can you confirm that GW2 will use Dx10 or not? If yes then I have to start saving up on my computer soon enough!!
ALso, where do I sign up for the Beta?? Put me right up there on top of that list!!
ALso, where do I sign up for the Beta?? Put me right up there on top of that list!!
Dannzzigg
ANet has done a great job of making sure that there isno true item grind in GW. They can easily create more opportunities to advance your character past level 20 without making the advancement necessary.
As long as that is how the "increased level cap" is handled, there will be nothing to worry about, PvE or PvP.
As long as that is how the "increased level cap" is handled, there will be nothing to worry about, PvE or PvP.
Shanaeri Rynale
Just as a rememberence for the OMG NOES. Gw2 is still 2 years away, thats the same amount of time some of us have been playing again.
If you look at how GW1 was 2 years before release it was massivley different and there is no reason GW2 won't be.
Clean Slating GW is probably the best thing they could do, tho I must admit to a tinge of sadness on reading that at the moment the transfer of characters wont be possible.
Still 2 years is a LOOONG time..
If you look at how GW1 was 2 years before release it was massivley different and there is no reason GW2 won't be.
Clean Slating GW is probably the best thing they could do, tho I must admit to a tinge of sadness on reading that at the moment the transfer of characters wont be possible.
Still 2 years is a LOOONG time..
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Milennin
The only thing I don't really like from Guild Wars 2 is the increased level-cap. The low level cap made Guild Wars unique and a quite relaxed game. Now I'll probably get addicted to levelling my characters so much I won't have time to do any other things.<___<
sprakula
were there any pics in the article? If someone could post a few that would be great.
As for the level cap, I think it could be really interesting and beneficial for GW. GW has become a game of tweaking, I mean think about it, someone will pay tons of money over a 15>50 mod while they will only pay a meager sum for a 14>50 mod. Just that one percent makes all the difference. I think that with the different lvl cap it will provide a lot more diversity and ease of finding a niche for the beginners. But that's just my opinion, should be fun to see what ANET has planned.
My only hope is that they continue with their great graphics. GW easily has the best graphics of all the MMOs out there, and that's what makes it enjoyable for me.
As for the level cap, I think it could be really interesting and beneficial for GW. GW has become a game of tweaking, I mean think about it, someone will pay tons of money over a 15>50 mod while they will only pay a meager sum for a 14>50 mod. Just that one percent makes all the difference. I think that with the different lvl cap it will provide a lot more diversity and ease of finding a niche for the beginners. But that's just my opinion, should be fun to see what ANET has planned.
My only hope is that they continue with their great graphics. GW easily has the best graphics of all the MMOs out there, and that's what makes it enjoyable for me.
Jetdoc
Love the article and the concepts.
For those claiming that GW2 cannot be "as good" as WoW, there are two distinct advantages GW2 would have:
1. Superior graphics, hands down.
2. No monthly fee.
Those two, if GW2 is implemented correctly, should drive WoW players in droves to the Guild Wars franchise.
For those claiming that GW2 cannot be "as good" as WoW, there are two distinct advantages GW2 would have:
1. Superior graphics, hands down.
2. No monthly fee.
Those two, if GW2 is implemented correctly, should drive WoW players in droves to the Guild Wars franchise.
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Personally, I'm very happy with the news. GW:EN sounds like a great wrapping up of the Guild Wars trilogy, and GW2 sounds like an amazing new evolution for GW game play. I've really enjoyed GW, but I think it is time for some changes. I look forward to increased level cap and non-instanced areas.
I'll be sure to get both GW:EN and GW2 as soon as they come out!
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pb1285n
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Honestly, if you couldn't find anything to do besides reaching level 20 then that was your own fault.
The level 20 cap was one of the top 10 reasons I enjoyed GW. I enjoyed being able to level quickly, if I so chose, so I could move on to the higher end content. Leveling in a game is not what is fun to me, so I'm pretty disappointed about the higher level cap of PvE. I don't really care about any of the other things. None of it seemed terribly exciting to me, but it also didn't seem terrible either. I'm thinking GW2 won't be for me. |
I am sorry if you only concern is reaching the level cap. I am fine, being the lower then other players and enjoy my leveling experience. I don't consider it a grind because I am not racing toward the cap.
As long as they add enough content for everyone and not just the higher end players I'll be fine.
kicks66
I think a lot of people have seen the increased level cap as a threat, but as a few people earlier have said, it could be quite superficial. That is to say, its the equivalent of a tormented item, it looks good but overall is no better than a cheapy green you can get for 5k
Randomway Ftw
To all you QQing about the level cap problem, you need to understand that you are not playing a version of WoW with no monthly fees.
The point of this game is not to kill 10 million rats to get max level, you are supposed to get max lvel while you are learning to play the game, and be able to play content balanced around a standard level. The point of the game is not so level 200 mending Wammos can own the noob runner level 20 kiting monks with one hit.
The point of this game is not to kill 10 million rats to get max level, you are supposed to get max lvel while you are learning to play the game, and be able to play content balanced around a standard level. The point of the game is not so level 200 mending Wammos can own the noob runner level 20 kiting monks with one hit.
JC68
"You cannot carry over stuff, but can via the hall of momuments, allowing you to display titles of and see the weapons and use minis of your chars from good old GW1"
from PC Gamer, page 7...
from PC Gamer, page 7...
dargon
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The Guild Wars 2 information...hah, eat that, The Ernada!
 GW2 will 99% have a monthy fee, although the article doesn't state it. The current Guild Wars is primarily instanced, which dramatically reduces bandwidth, and thus overall cost. With a consistant world, those advantages dissappear, and thus a monthly fee will be needed. GW:EotN...I'm not too excited. Still do not like the new races (now can we make topics about them, Mods?) |
Retribution X
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Clean Slating GW is probably the best thing they could do, tho I must admit to a tinge of sadness on reading that at the moment the transfer of characters wont be possible.
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Another question, If I get my char from GW 1 and go to GW 2, and back to GW 1, will my char remain at an uber high level, and the higher damage weapons?
And Whoo! I have a friend, who WILL get GW 2. This will be awesome. (I personally don't want level cap raise, nor a max damage raise. but oh well.)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make max weapons drop often. I'd hate the WoW system in which you must grind your ass off to get max stuff.
JC68
"GW2 will 99% have a monthy fee, although the article doesn't state it."
Gaile said - NO FEES
Gaile said - NO FEES
Dannzzigg
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My sentiments are shared by my entire very strong PvP alliance ([Koss]).
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Also, one thing I don't see anyone really considering is that the increased level cap does not necessarily equate with grind. ANet has already done a great job of making sure that there is no item grind, yet there are those who choose to do whatever it takes to get what they consider the most leet skin. Increased levels could just as easily be like that leet skin.
LadyNilene
Unfortunately, I'm not to thrilled about GW2...
When Guild wars first came out, it advertised itself as being a game based on skill and not on who has the best armor/equipment/level/etc...and from what I've gathered from previous posts...Guild Wars is going to turn into what it set out not to be originally...
I guess its too soon to say, but as of yet, I'm a little disappointed. Anyways, can't wait to see what the article has to say for myself.
When Guild wars first came out, it advertised itself as being a game based on skill and not on who has the best armor/equipment/level/etc...and from what I've gathered from previous posts...Guild Wars is going to turn into what it set out not to be originally...
I guess its too soon to say, but as of yet, I'm a little disappointed. Anyways, can't wait to see what the article has to say for myself.
Gaile Gray
It may be a little confusing with discussing both the expansion pack and the new game. The raising of the level cap will apply to Guild Wars 2, not to Eye of the North.
Ismoke
awesome! friggin awesome!
explodemyheart
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I'm sorry if your biggest enjoyment from a game is grinding for more items.
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As someone said earlier, the level cap was nice because until level 20, you were developing your character. After that, you were, in a sense, developing yourself because GW was more about your personal skill, rather than your level/items/advantage over someone else.
I don't really care about character development because GW was not an MMORPG, that's not what it was about. If I cared about character development, I'd go play WoW or D&D.
Zinger314
Yeesh, think before you post!
1. "extended character development beyond lv. 20" does not mean level increase. It could be something as simple as a +damage title that only works in PvE.
2. I strongly doubt there will be character import from GW1 to GW2. Does it matter, really? You play GW1 PvE for fun and no reward, anyways. The reference of the GW:EN bridge between chapters just seems to be lore-wise.
3. I wouldn't say in absolute that GW has better graphics than WoW. GW has better enviroments, yes, but WoW is much, much more aestetically pleasing. I love hanging out in Stormwind or Silvermoon...Kaieng and Kamadan give me and my computer a headache.
4. The notion of GW2 World PvP makes me laugh. I gurantee that we hear ganking complaints within one hour of release.
1. "extended character development beyond lv. 20" does not mean level increase. It could be something as simple as a +damage title that only works in PvE.
2. I strongly doubt there will be character import from GW1 to GW2. Does it matter, really? You play GW1 PvE for fun and no reward, anyways. The reference of the GW:EN bridge between chapters just seems to be lore-wise.
3. I wouldn't say in absolute that GW has better graphics than WoW. GW has better enviroments, yes, but WoW is much, much more aestetically pleasing. I love hanging out in Stormwind or Silvermoon...Kaieng and Kamadan give me and my computer a headache.
4. The notion of GW2 World PvP makes me laugh. I gurantee that we hear ganking complaints within one hour of release.
Machinae
That's ok then, we can just wait until next year before we start this discussion all over again? ;D
Ps: Blargh, confirmed raised cap :'(
Ps: Blargh, confirmed raised cap :'(
Tiny Biscuit
Gaile, now, can you give some real news to us ? PC Gamer exclusivity is off.
Dannzzigg
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That makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever! Why would levels be just for show? If that were true, then whats the incentive to level past 20 if a lvl 100 character is no better than just a number saying your lvl 100? It doesnt make sense to remove a level cap, then only have the higher levels for all show and no go.
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Why spend uberplat on that Fellblade?
it can be implemented in much the same way...
youngstar
Everything sounds great to me. However I have a question. Would World PvP refer to being able to battle other players while running around in a PvE environment? I would also like to see a feature where you could stake money on duels or something like that.
pb1285n
I want to know what you can do in Guild Wars besides PvP and collect items?
It looks like with GW2 they are trying to add more depth to PvE. You still have your skill based PvP, but hopefully now PvE players will have more to do then run through UW collecting ectos... again.
It looks like with GW2 they are trying to add more depth to PvE. You still have your skill based PvP, but hopefully now PvE players will have more to do then run through UW collecting ectos... again.
Longasc
What has GW2 with GW in common?
No monthly fee.
Besides THAT - it seem to be a *completely* different game. Frankly, it seems to be an Asia Grinder with near limitless level. That some playmodes have equal levels also suggests that other PvP modes put people at all levels versus each other.
I never liked the levelbased system.
It too much reminds me of that bored level 62 Tauren that jumped our party of 5 level 20 players. Did not take long for him to wipe us, relogging to our high level chars and taking revenge and well...
NO to this. Also, Asura as playable race... the odd white thingies. Argh.
It seems like GW2 becomes more like another Asia Grinder, in fact it reminds me much more of these than of WoW!
OK, you sorry PvP dudes... now my PvE char can SHOW you that your skillz cannot match my huge time and item investment! :>
Sounds like Grind Wars 2. This was sarcasm.
Yet... it COULD turn out to be Heaven. I just wonder how little it seems to have in common with the Guild Wars "all players are equal" formula we loved and defended and cherished. The "oh noes only 20 levelz!" people have won, it seems.
No monthly fee.
Besides THAT - it seem to be a *completely* different game. Frankly, it seems to be an Asia Grinder with near limitless level. That some playmodes have equal levels also suggests that other PvP modes put people at all levels versus each other.
I never liked the levelbased system.
It too much reminds me of that bored level 62 Tauren that jumped our party of 5 level 20 players. Did not take long for him to wipe us, relogging to our high level chars and taking revenge and well...
NO to this. Also, Asura as playable race... the odd white thingies. Argh.
It seems like GW2 becomes more like another Asia Grinder, in fact it reminds me much more of these than of WoW!
OK, you sorry PvP dudes... now my PvE char can SHOW you that your skillz cannot match my huge time and item investment! :>
Sounds like Grind Wars 2. This was sarcasm.
Yet... it COULD turn out to be Heaven. I just wonder how little it seems to have in common with the Guild Wars "all players are equal" formula we loved and defended and cherished. The "oh noes only 20 levelz!" people have won, it seems.
Wilhelm
Sounds Neat-o.
Hopefully some nice looking Monk armor in this expansion.
Hopefully some nice looking Monk armor in this expansion.
You just got tomahawked
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I may be wrong on the placement in this particular thread, as I am reading about 3 forums right now, but perhaps you missed the part where Gaile stated that there will be PvP only toons with UaX available?
Also, one thing I don't see anyone really considering is that the increased level cap does not necessarily equate with grind. ANet has already done a great job of making sure that there is no item grind, yet there are those who choose to do whatever it takes to get what they consider the most leet skin. Increased levels could just as easily be like that leet skin. |
Perhaps you missed the part where she said half of PvP will be dependant on lvling. I do agree that Anet has done a superb job stopping grind in GW1 but i don't want them to make it REQUIRED part of GW2. I'm okay with it being for show but if you still dont have all the attrbute points after grinding 6 months to lvl 200 I'm gonna quit.
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No monthly fees.
I have to say it. Tell your friends. Inform your neigbors. Put your guild on alert. No. Monthly. Fees. |
Silly Warrior
Lol, well I think its about time Inde opened us up a Eyes of the North speculation forum area...and Guild Wars 2. Because if he doesn't, Riverside is going to be filled to brim with GWEN and GW2 stuff lol.
All this information is interesting...I'm a bit dissapointed though about Level cap in PvE... I don't want to spend an eternity leveling my characters....
More info Gaile...please... I don't want GW2 PvE to be filled with Grinding!
All this information is interesting...I'm a bit dissapointed though about Level cap in PvE... I don't want to spend an eternity leveling my characters....
More info Gaile...please... I don't want GW2 PvE to be filled with Grinding!
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Yeesh, think before you post!
1. "extended character development beyond lv. 20" does not mean level increase. It could be something as simple as a +damage title that only works in PvE. 2. I strongly doubt there will be character import from GW1 to GW2. Does it matter, really? You play GW1 PvE for fun and no reward, anyways. The reference of the GW:EN bridge between chapters just seems to be lore-wise. 3. I wouldn't say in absolute that GW has better graphics than WoW. GW has better enviroments, yes, but WoW is much, much more aestetically pleasing. I love hanging out in Stormwind or Silvermoon...Kaieng and Kamadan give me and my computer a headache. 4. The notion of GW2 World PvP makes me laugh. I gurantee that we hear ganking complaints within one hour of release. |
explodemyheart
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Yeesh, think before you post!
1. "extended character development beyond lv. 20" does not mean level increase. It could be something as simple as a +damage title that only works in PvE. |
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The raising of the level cap will apply to Guild Wars 2, not to Eye of the North.
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