PC Gamer May 2007 Information - "Guild Wars Reborn"

*shew* Sure glad i can afford $17.50 a month......

If there's no lvl cap in GW2 thats paradise for chinese/bot farmers...

This is definitely the saddest thread in Guru. Above the monster AoE nerf crying.

The crying over a non existent game is just pathetic. PvErs.... wow.... just wow. Can you guys get lower?

All this crying and I bet 9 out 10 will still buy the game - hell probably 2 of the Limited Edition. And will beg and cry some more to be in Beta. Yet will cry again for some other reason.

People vent. Venting is a way to let the developers know what they like/dislike about the game. And the people who's venting have every rights to. They'll be the same people who may or may not buy the future game. Those who keeps silent will just go away and move on. Those who vent wants changes or something implemented which may or may not happen. Would be interesting to see how Anet plans on retaining the user base when the game will be 2 years away. Even these weekly events gets quite boring and pointless sometimes. I'm expecting some of us to just move on to something else by then...

I'll say it again. I think in two years, people won't really care too much about having to leave their characters and their equipment. I think we'd be sick of them by then, especially since there's supposed to be no major expansion/chapter after GW:EN. We'll all be looking forward to starting from scratch in a different setting.

Also, "wannabe forum hero" has got to be the lamest insult I've seen on these boards.

Well, I believe there is a big difference between constructive criticism, and just whining. Just whining accomplishes nothing, except for derailed threads and flamefests. Which of course I expect and am prepared for on a free, open forum. I just don't believe it does any good.

Now, stating specific dislikes and suggesting solutions is an excellent way to both vent AND add something constructive to the conversation.

(BTW, these are just general observations, and not directed specifically at you or any other poster).

As for the idea of people just quitting GW until GW2 comes out: totally agree and expect it.

But, just because someone doesn't play for two years, doesn't mean they won't be buying Guild Wars 2. In fact, they might be MORE inclined to do so after taking a 2 year break. "Oh, yeah, Guild Wars. That was fun. I should check this out."

Of course, there will also be those who play non-stop, and get all the goodies that can possibly transfer over to Guild Wars 2 through GW:EN.

It takes all kinds...

Speaking of economy... Don't forget that the pricing of items in GW just doesn't reflect the item's proper value. And I'm sure the WTS/WTB in game or elsewhere occurs because of such pricing discrepancies. Less spam in game is always more enjoyable. Is that going to be fixed? Or will their rare items continue to fetch a merchant value of 300g and a more common item 500g? LOL. If it won't be fix, expect GW2 economy to be a repeat cycle of GW1. Probably would be best to make an auction house or fixed the merchant to offer rare item(s) their proper value.

This thread is starting to look just like the official Wow forums, nothing but whiners and little kids...

To all those who already/are going to quit, just because GW2 has now been announced... it really doesn't take much does it? If you people honestly don't care enough about GW to still play another 2 years (or however long it is until it's released) then by all means, quit. This is a game, it's entertainment, and if you can't get any enjoyment out of it because you might have to switch to another game in 2 YEARS, then I really have to ask why the hell you even play games to begin with.

"Oh, I don't think I'm gonna watch this movie, cause you know... I'm gonna die some day, so it's pointless to watch it, I'd just be wasting my time".

Do us all a favor, quit, go away, and spare us your pointless whining (yes, I'm whining as well, I know)

As for the idea of people just quitting GW until GW2 comes out: totally agree and expect it.

But, just because someone doesn't play for two years, doesn't mean they won't be buying Guild Wars 2. In fact, they might be MORE inclined to do so after taking a 2 year break. "Oh, yeah, Guild Wars. That was fun. I should check this out."

now that i can agree with if i like what it has to offer

I'd go so far to say if there is not an auction house in Guild Wars 2, I won't be buying it.

Period. WTB/WTS is the most annoying thing to me about the present Guild Wars...

Let's leave the whiners alone, me included. I believe everyone who cares enough to whine still cares enough about the game and any future developments regarding it. I'm going to be setting the game aside soon. These weekly events aren't enough to keep me coming back for more. Already preordered the new C&C game to keep me busy for some time. Going to wait it out until a demo to see whether it's worth spending my money on or not. GW1 was fun while it lasted. GW2, I can only hope... And yes, sometimes old games like WC3 and others are worth playing again after some time off.

I wouldnt go as far as saying I wouldnt buy GW2 if there were no auction house to stop the trade spam. I'm not even sure that would stop the spam.

But yeah the spam is damn annoying and most people keep their local off because of it. It's too bad the same problems will likely still be in GW2.

LOL! that's like the ultimate /ragequit

Did you know that sooner or later you will die? It's inevitable, so you may as well stop living right now.

Kudos to ANET for giving me the opportunity (GW2) to, not only keep playing, but also retire my GW1 chars with grace and allow them to leave a legacy via EotN. That kind of closure is a great gesture... which may be beyond the grasp of a pubescent whiner.

If you had fun playing GW1 then call it time well spent and be thankful. Sooner or later it's going to be time to move on ...to the next great adventure.

I am sorry that my opinion doesn't mirror yours. I just wanted to clear up, that when I said that I had no chance in "overtaking" a level 28 mob, I was talking about overtaking them in level, not in battle. Skills and tactics, and teams can and have helped to overtake mobs in battle, but none of us have been able to overtake them in level.

Again I mean no disrespect or anything, I respect your opinion, and express my own.

Agreed I don't want to spend X hours grinding characters to high levels.

Well at least GW will be around for a while...

Honestly, the level cap was one of GW strenghts and now elitism has gotten too them. I could care less how long "someone else" has been playing the game. Or their need to show it off. Even if it turns out to be just cosmetic people will find a way to abuse it.

Besides that crap GW2 sounds cool.

But IMHO GW2 sounds more like a GW for people who lurked around forums for the last 2 years complaining about GW. Well I guess now they get their version.

btw I'm glad to hear GW will be a round for a while.

Its more anoying that it is impossible to sell/buy stuff, than the fact that there are spammers -thats just what happens without auction houses.

Anyhow I've read the PC gamer article. AND there was no mention of crafting, can anyone comfirm anything? I hope there will be crafting, i haven;t read anyone say there will be or wont be crafting

Well that's just it, most people whining aren't doing so in defense of the current game, but in defense of their own interests. Transferring armour, weapons and character over into the new game? Isn't that like typing in a cheat code that gives you max gold, armour and level at the beginning of a game? Where's the fun in that?

To me, the only downside is the level cap (and the 2 years wait). I have 8 max level characters right now, all from a different class and with different armours. I won't be able to do that in GW2, I'll have to stick with one, maybe two character unless I want to grind.

naa sorry but there was no rage it was more like a dissapointment, perhaps you should readmy other posts following that one. And unfortuantley you will get a lot of people leaving in the next 2 -3 years until new content arrives, some will leave sooner then others. From night fall until 2010 with no new content( gwen is more like an update not an expansion in my eyes) a lot of people will move on to other games. When 2 comes out some of us might try it out unless we are hooked on someother mmo for the time being.

Writing posts that include constructive criticism is one thing. Whining is something else entirely, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people on this forums don't understand this at all.
Anyway, you want to carry cour characters over, even though the new game will most likely have a different/altered system? WHY?
Because you're attched to them, well, I guess I could understand that. I've played GW for one and a half years now and I really like my girls. But what's stopping me from creating their "heirs" in GW2?
Because you can't carry your "achievments" over? Oh please, that's just pathetic. Okay, you like what you have now, but do you really have to whine and whine because something that isn't worth anything anyway will be gone in the other "world" that GW2 is? It'll still be there in GW as long as the servers are there and even afterwards you still know what you've "accomplished".

Or are you whining because playing the game seems pointless to you now? (Some people definitely seem to think so, re: all the "I was excited about GWEN, but now it's all useless and I already deleted GW" posts) I tell you something: The only point this game has ever had (unless you're part of one of the top guilds who earn a "bit" of money) is having fun.
Are you having fun playing now? Then keep playing, enjoy the game, have a great time!
What? You're not having fun, but you're playing anyway to get titles/armours/whatever? Pathetic.

You say GW isn't worth playing because it'll end? Are you saying a book isn't worth reading because it'll end? A pen&paper RPG isn't worth playing because it'll end? Live isn't worth living because it'll end?

To the "but anet promised more chapters for GW than we'll get now!" people:
Yes, you're probably right and you have a point. It's not you I'm complaining about. I think it's debatable wether or not we'll profit more from a totally new game or more and more expansions to an old one (that might or might not destroy the balance etc.), but that's beside the point that I'm trying to make in this specific post.

To the "it's more pathetic to whine about whiners than to whine":
I don't want to sound like I'm whining and I appologize if I came across as whining. But consider this: I just can't understand the people I call "whiners" here, but I'd like to. Any explanation they've given so far has only made me want to scream in frustration because they seem so ignorant. It's said the world is full of stupid people, but I just don't want to believe there's so much stupidity here on this board. (Yes, I know, I should just quit it and believe it... stupid idealism.) I want one good answer, even if I have to be somewhat provocative to - maybe, maybe - get it.

Well said! It's not like our characters just die out or fade away, their accomplishments will be remembered ^^

wow 66 pages of f-this crap its going to be a generic WoW...............2 years a way people and thats if they stay on the ball and no problems with the new engine arise. and for those that are complaining that 2 years is to long to wait for a game.....how long has StarCraft 2 been allegedly in the works? Some one pointed out that Duke Nukem Forever has been in the work for 10 years and they are right....I have seen games piss me off in beta only to surprise me when the full version is released......remember A LOT can happen in 2 years. So basically what I'm saying is don't jump to conclusions when all your are seeing is ideas that are being thrown around the table by the developers. Remember how cool we all thought HALO 2 was going to be...only for it to turn into a noob fest with everyone using auto aim in Multi-Player. Things can go both ways.....just settle down let them do their job and hopefully when the game is released and the dust settles everyone will be pleasantly surprised.

Exactly. It takes too long to buy/sell stuff from other players, time I'd rather spend playing the game!

Haven't read the article, heard there was mention of the Asuran race making swords and weapons? Could be just flavor, could hint at a crafting system. Speculation, of course.

For the record, I don't think crafting would be a bad idea (prepares for "it will be just like WoW" rants).

I'm curious to see the outcome when GW 2 is released. With all the new changes and moving the game into seemingly MMORPG-type elements. It a step up from GW1 where you only meet players inside towns and outpost and the quests and missions have no link or impact on the game world. With the game being 2 years away, would this game possibly be using Direct X 10?

But isn't that the case? People play the game for their own interests. People cheat in games, you do know that right? Regardless of how you look at it, many of us does find ways to cheat and have. Run to Droks to pickup max armor, ferries to Docks to get max armor, etc. etc. All these are cheats regardless of how you look at it. Walking around with a level 2 character with max armor beating on level 1 flowers. Yay! I can see that now. Way to go on not cheating... LOL. In all due respects, let's make GW2 that unless you reach xx level, you are not qualified to wear this armor. That should make the game play in a more evenly playing field. Weapons and armors should be tied to a level of a character instead of just because they obtain it. Let's make people use some brain cells to find ways to beat a creature instead of easily overpowering them because they have the best weapons and armors.

You mean a "cheat code" like buying a preorder or CE and typing in /bonusitems? I remember getting a nice max custom scythe and spear for my lvl 1 nub derv and para starting NF right off the bat. Not to mention the daggers and spiritbinder in factions. I'm not asking to start with max everything immediately. As someone posted earlier, perhaps these items could be transferred over through a 'rite of passage' quest when you reach a certain level (such as ascension in the desert when you've most likely already obtained some max armor and weapons). Please understand that we want the mementos for our hard work, not the gold... I would like to see continuity of their ascenstral descent!

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EXACTLY my thoughts! LISTEN TO THIS PERSON!!!

I still have yet to see one completely logical reason as to why character transfer should exist. I didn't get it in the old thread, and I haven't seen anything on here, either.

/worship.

Gaile, Hi.

One question, can we reserve GUILD NAMES for GW2? Coz if not, GW2 will suck.

Wow.. the whole game will suck because of guild names... hmm

I can't believe nobody is talking about the amount to persistence they will add in GW2! We will still have instances, but have a true, living world where we also have the option to meet & talk with players out in the open! that is so, f'ing cool! Building parties in hard areas if we need help, having a vibrant breathing world with real players. And if the kill stealers & campers come out to play, we instance! it sounds so good!

I'm so glad ANET decided to take the good things about most MMORPGs and add them to GW's unique design. It's good to be unique, but it's even better to admit when an idea is good(no matter how old it is) and integrate it into what you've made.

I'm siked

According to Gaile, Direct X 10 will be supported but it will not be required.

And can we reserve character names?
Not like anyone would steal my crappy names but I'm just afraid someone will steal someone's name.

Oh and please, will there be a way to transfer festival hats? :sadpanda:

As for name reservation, I thought the article or Gaile said that you can already save up names from original GW1 characters?

PLEASE, I beg of you please please PLEASE for the love of God and all that's holy ...re-think the option of importing our chars from GW 1 into GW 2!!!!!! With all the time, effort, sweat, and blood I've put in that game that is the biggest turn off that was mentioned about GW 2! I have around 15 characters..I like the variety and I have spent a LOT of time on all of them! I love Guild Wars 1 -- I'd hate to lose all of that in a year or two. The rest sounds pretty interesting and fun but I really don't want to lose my players -- I've grown attached to them. I know I'm not the only one -- simply scanning over this post others are saying the same thing over and over. All I ask is for you to at least reconsider - think about it a bit more (-:

I know that other players I'm sure are happy about the things Anet has decided to do. But I however am not. I have been playing GW since the Prophecies campaign. And it seems like they are changing what they intended. The lvl 20 cap was originally so that gameplay was about your build rather than your Lvl. And as for chapters coming out to soon. I and my guildmates have beat every chapter numerous times before the next has been out. I have nine characters all of which has beaten at least 2 of the chapters. Now your saying that the characters I've played for so long will not be allowed in the new game. I really think that Anet should rethink this idea. Want to raise the lvl's, fine if you really want to. But to cost people there characters. I for one am not liking the sound of this. I guess GW has decided to be like all the other MMORPG's.

Yes, You character names will be reserved.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10133596

Sorry, tyche7, I just don't think it's feasable.

You're assuming Guild Wars 2 will have the same attributes, professions, and skills as Guild Wars.

I'm pretty sure that's not going to be the case. There will be differences. Ergo, old characters just won't work in the new game.

That said, IF the Monument things works the way many think it will, we won't have to bring old characters in. We will inherit Titles, Mini-pets, equipment (? Not sure how this will work), Companions, etc.

I'm sure we'll learn more exactly what we can transfer and how closer to GW:EN release.

I cant see how they can even call this Guild Wars2. Other than some superficial elements...its NOTHING like the GW I have loved so much.

No character transfer?- Thanks for the huge slap in the face to allof us whom have been with GW since its FIRST beta. Some of use have brought our BETA created characters through all three chapters. We should have the option of carrying them over since you are throwing in superfical elements of the Charr in there.

Increased Level Caps? - no matter how you look at it...anytime a game has over a level 30 cap..it ends up being a grindage game.

Hundreds in the same area?- One fo the huge things I liked about GW was that I didnt have to fight instance campers in order to kill a mission related boss. I quit EQ2 and WoW because of the instance campers.

Gwen? - She shouldnt even be in "GW2" she shoulda been released in one of the three GW Chapters preferabley Sorrows Furnace. She has absolutely nothing to do with anything in GW2 from what I have read.

I am honestly sick to my stomach at what I just read bout GW2 and cannot believe Anet betrayed us like this. There is nothing groundbreaking or new with GW2..it just caters to the grinders and instance campers.

I will NOT be buying GW2 unless there are some really HUGE changes.

Thanks for ruining a wonderful game series Anet..GW2 is gonna be nothing but a patchwork clone of SOE and Blizzard work.

Oh come on, enough with this "Dont want to pay for WoW" crap. I play GW PvE because I like it. I played WoW for two weeks, and can quite honestly tell you that its a bunch of over-rated BS.

Wow people really go all out and nuts on game. Not saying I myself didn't spend an ample part of my life on this game, but to those saying WTFBBQHAX I Wasted My Life, you bought the game what do you expect. Not all games live forever and deliver exactly what the customers want.

To those veterans who love Guild Wars and now know about the upcoming Guild Wars 2, some are estactic some say WoW. In the end of all this bickering and moaning, I am sure the percent who bashed Guild Wars 2 will in the end buy the game. We are people, and all this flaming is really not needed, veteran or new player in the end I bet more than 3/4 will buy Guild Wars 2. The level cap, the new maps, whatever, the day of release you will still cling onto your money and buy the game.

All that is needed in this thread is insightful and comments on the new details we received on the long wait for a new chapter. I have no clue how some people say 6 months is not enough time to finish a chapter, of course than 100 replies below me will post, work,school, kids, blah blah blah. Stop moaning and do that, than come back to GW. GW is meant to not be grinded, buy the chapter, link it, and go work and come back. As for the release of Guild Wars 2, we are unsure if our mind set of GW1 will be the exact same as GW 2.

In the end, give Arena.net a break, we are getting a new game.


Fiery