Amazing. To see that people are actually against this coming update. But then again if there's a day of no complaining then the world would explode.
A challenge is great. And getting Razah before was definately a challenge. But it sure wasnt a fun challenge. More like mindless boring grind. Counting grains of sand is a challenge too but it sure doesnt make it fun.
Instant gratification? Oh come on. You still have to beat the freaking game to get Razah. How in hell is that instant gratification? That statement was just plain stupid. And it's not like he's handed to you after you finish the game. You still have to do the quest. A LOT of things are acquired by doing quests in this game. Still want to call it instant gratification?
And finally, Razah was just simply not worth the gems and time needed. I didnt even bother with my other characters, especially since I had no use for him at the end of the freaking game!
This change is good. You can scream about how people were "crying" about it, but now you'll be the one crying now.
[Dev Update] Razah, Questing, & You
The Ernada
fabiola
All professions of heroes should be available to the casual players. This is great news. If heroes could have different cosmetic features than it would be ok to have a tough challenge to get one with a different cosmetic feature. Like pay 4 gems to have a hero be able to be cosmetically changed, being able to select skin tone, height, gender, name, hair etc.
On another note, another victory for the middle class. Gems were way overpriced, making some people disporportionately wealthy in a very short time. Some people were doing 4 quests in a row raking in 4 titan gemstones in 8 hours plus elite weapons. In a period of 8 hours people were getting 500 to 1000 platinum. Fow armor in 2 days where others farm kirins for months at 1k a run. These people can then control the trade market of highend items and the rich get richer. Mini-Mallyx aquired through a gem "slot machine, gems themselves, and Torment weapons were falling very fast already. Like 100K+200 ectos to 100k+100 ectos in a few short weeks...but now perhaps they'll drop to attainable levels for the middle class. After the update I would like to see titan gems for 20k, torment weapons for 100k+25-50 ectos, and MiniMallyx for 100k +25 ectos. On a side note... what about adding titan gems to the rare material trader?
On another note, another victory for the middle class. Gems were way overpriced, making some people disporportionately wealthy in a very short time. Some people were doing 4 quests in a row raking in 4 titan gemstones in 8 hours plus elite weapons. In a period of 8 hours people were getting 500 to 1000 platinum. Fow armor in 2 days where others farm kirins for months at 1k a run. These people can then control the trade market of highend items and the rich get richer. Mini-Mallyx aquired through a gem "slot machine, gems themselves, and Torment weapons were falling very fast already. Like 100K+200 ectos to 100k+100 ectos in a few short weeks...but now perhaps they'll drop to attainable levels for the middle class. After the update I would like to see titan gems for 20k, torment weapons for 100k+25-50 ectos, and MiniMallyx for 100k +25 ectos. On a side note... what about adding titan gems to the rare material trader?
Desbreko
This makes me want to buy some gemstones and do the current quest before the update happens so that I'll get to do the new quest as well.
GloryFox
WHOA!....
BEST UPDATE EVER!....
and to think it only took 5 months to listen to the player base! ...
That said ANET just totaly made my day...
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I wonder how many people paid lots of money to get Razah?
If you paid for it and you complain you got what you paid for so don't complain.
BEST UPDATE EVER!....
and to think it only took 5 months to listen to the player base! ...
That said ANET just totaly made my day...
I wonder how many people paid lots of money to get Razah?
If you paid for it and you complain you got what you paid for so don't complain.
Painbringer
Awesome finally
/cheer
/cheer
Hell Raiser
If he wasn't worth the gems, you don't need him. If you didn't bother because you wouldn't use him after the end of the game, you don't need him. I had a great time getting Razah, I only got him for my main character but it was a nice feeling of accomplishment. Yay we get our gems back, so what, they are worth half of what they used to be.
I think it is great ArenaNet is sticking to pleasing the people who wont take the time to work for something like this. If you think it is grind, don't get him, you don't need him for anything and it is easy to do everything with the other heroes. It is easy to get 80k (or whatever it is now) if you work for it (and don't give me any $hi7 about how a casual player can't get 80k, you can if you commit to it, even with only 20min a day.). You really don't need him on all of your characters.
I'm fine with a change like this, but I hate to see it being changed because people were whining about it being too hard. I could see whining about DoA being hard, yeah it is a pain in the a$$. Yeah I could see people complaining about it being too hard to acquire the gems without buying them.
Anyway, at least they will return gems and the people who worked for him (yeah, getting the money to buy him counts as "working for him") wont just get a slap in the face.
EDIT: Btw, if you can only play for 20min-1hour or so (as in, you are a casual player) you defiantly don't need him.
I think it is great ArenaNet is sticking to pleasing the people who wont take the time to work for something like this. If you think it is grind, don't get him, you don't need him for anything and it is easy to do everything with the other heroes. It is easy to get 80k (or whatever it is now) if you work for it (and don't give me any $hi7 about how a casual player can't get 80k, you can if you commit to it, even with only 20min a day.). You really don't need him on all of your characters.
I'm fine with a change like this, but I hate to see it being changed because people were whining about it being too hard. I could see whining about DoA being hard, yeah it is a pain in the a$$. Yeah I could see people complaining about it being too hard to acquire the gems without buying them.
Anyway, at least they will return gems and the people who worked for him (yeah, getting the money to buy him counts as "working for him") wont just get a slap in the face.
EDIT: Btw, if you can only play for 20min-1hour or so (as in, you are a casual player) you defiantly don't need him.
yasmina
Well that is good to hear I came to the point that I was never going to get razah because first I did not want to spend the gems to finish up the quest sec it was taking way to long to obtain them in the start, so after awhile I forgot all about him. It is good to hear that they are making this change for everyone and no one is left out. I guess there where alot of complaints or either stats that stated not many people had razah.
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I suppose this is better than nothing, but IMO the problem wasn't that Razah cost 4 gems, the problem was that you get him after the game is over and there is nothing left to do with him!
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*Looks in future towards hard mode*
The Ernada
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If he wasn't worth the gems, you don't need him. If you didn't bother because you wouldn't use him after the end of the game, you don't need him. I had a great time getting Razah, I only got him for my main character but it was a nice feeling of accomplishment. Yay we get our gems back, so what, they are worth half of what they used to be.
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And isnt it extremely bad game design to make the ONLY ritualist hero so tedious to get? And in the wrong campaign?
And lastly, why are you complaining about this? We get our gems back since we already have him. And it makes it so that he's now worth the effort for people to get him. I may now actually get him for my other characters. So tell me, how is this such a horrible thing?
Hell Raiser
Changing it so it doesn't require gems is not a horrible thing. Changing it because people were whining about it being too hard is not a horrible thing. Whining about it being too hard for the casual player to get is a horrible thing.
The casual player CAN get him, they just wont take the time they have to play the game to work towards it. Yeah I understand that when you are a casual player you try to spend your time doing things other than farming. What I don't understand is that if you only have an hour or so a day to play, why you would even want him.
It is not a bad game design, it is a good one. So it is a bad game design that there are Ritualist and Assassin skills in Nightfall, when they are Factions professions? It is not one of the primary professions, and it is a great design for them to require the four gems. Many people don't have him, and they get along fine. If you want him, work for the gold to buy the gem set.
I'm not complaining that they are changing the quest, like I said...
Because that is not why they are changing it, Anet doesn't care how many people go after it. They are changing it because people were complaining about him being too hard to get. If it is not worth it, again, don't get him. ArenaNet doesn't care if you don't want him, it is a bonus, not a requirement.
The casual player CAN get him, they just wont take the time they have to play the game to work towards it. Yeah I understand that when you are a casual player you try to spend your time doing things other than farming. What I don't understand is that if you only have an hour or so a day to play, why you would even want him.
It is not a bad game design, it is a good one. So it is a bad game design that there are Ritualist and Assassin skills in Nightfall, when they are Factions professions? It is not one of the primary professions, and it is a great design for them to require the four gems. Many people don't have him, and they get along fine. If you want him, work for the gold to buy the gem set.
I'm not complaining that they are changing the quest, like I said...
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I'm fine with a change like this, but I hate to see it being changed because people were whining about it being too hard.
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So how exactly is it a bad thing to make more incentive to get people to get him?
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Sir Skullcrasher
Nice update, can't wait to beat NF and get him.
dead man ivan
Nice Can get Razah now. I did the quest with another guildie and was fun to do it!
EternalTempest
To best sum it up, I can say Thank You 
I really am looking forward to this change.
I would of been happy with having a plain looking Ritualits in starter armor if there were made else where and not persue Razah to be honest but this news is better. I given up on Razah and you have made my day.
I really am looking forward to this change.
I would of been happy with having a plain looking Ritualits in starter armor if there were made else where and not persue Razah to be honest but this news is better. I given up on Razah and you have made my day.
Akshara
This is great news. As one who played a Ritualist primary through Factions, I was looking forward to having a Rit hero, and was disappointed by the 80k+ per character price tag to unlock in PvE.
Thanks for the update, Gaile!
Thanks for the update, Gaile!
Curse You
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I totally agree with the 1st part to this, earning something makes a person grow and yet ANet in their infinite wisdom have decided its a game for spoilt brats so why not give them it on a silver platter, I'm sorry Gaile but I really think ANet are maybe just handfeeding the players that QQ about everything, maybe if I QQ that I dont have enough ecto's you'll make a free UW & FoW month as opposed to a weekend?
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However, PvP players can get Razah in all of 2 hours of RA play, much shorter than beating a whole campaign.
Age
Oh Good as I can get rid of that anonnoying arrow on my radar everytime I go to Elona.Thanks
raven214
Good stuff!!! Thanks for the news, Gaile.
Retribution X
Any news on how soon? Otherwise I'll have to buy some gems to get into the place, because I need to get him tomorrow...
Rockby Quickfoot
Thank you very much to Gaile and the rest of the development team for finally solving this dilemma. As a Mesmer, I didn't think I 'd ever get the chance to get Razah.
And I said this before, but I'll say it again anyway, thanks for the Hard Mode that is coming too! All sounds very fun.
And I said this before, but I'll say it again anyway, thanks for the Hard Mode that is coming too! All sounds very fun.
Diablo???
This anouncement is made of WIN!
WinterSnowblind
Wow, I'm really impressed with just how much the developers are listening to the fans. I've heard people complaining about this for a while, I haven't been that bothered about it myself, but I am very glad I can finally get my last hero. It's nice to see those who did go to the trouble of getting him aren't getting screwed over either.
Good job.
Good job.
raven214
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Any news on how soon? Otherwise I'll have to buy some gems to get into the place, because I need to get him tomorrow...
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And, last bit of good news, we believe this update will be live in a couple of weeks.
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JMFD
/cheer
hooray!
hooray!
Lubek
Woohoo, that's awesome! Good job ANet! *standing ovation*
MSecorsky
I am pleased.
Terra Xin
Thank you Anet.
Viet Spirit
cool thanks Arenet for this great news. Ive been thinking of getting Razah by buying the gems set but the 80k or so has delayed my decision.
To those who complain about this coming update and argue that we have to work for it, why Razah? He is just a hero as others like Koss, Dunkoro. If you say he is not needed so we dont need to get him, change the way heroes have been recruited so that you have to pay to recruit each hero! They are all not needed as I can breeze through most of the missions/quests with just hench.
I think if there are 2 versions of heroe for each profesison, all of us would be happy. For example, make 1 easily to get and the other one uber hard and expensive to get. So most casual players can enjoy a regular one while hardcore players can show off their elite one.
To those who complain about this coming update and argue that we have to work for it, why Razah? He is just a hero as others like Koss, Dunkoro. If you say he is not needed so we dont need to get him, change the way heroes have been recruited so that you have to pay to recruit each hero! They are all not needed as I can breeze through most of the missions/quests with just hench.
I think if there are 2 versions of heroe for each profesison, all of us would be happy. For example, make 1 easily to get and the other one uber hard and expensive to get. So most casual players can enjoy a regular one while hardcore players can show off their elite one.
RPGmaniac
I haven't really been complaining about Razah's acquisition because I haven't cared until recently, but it sounds good. Thank you for this addition Anet.
Seraphic Divinity
Honestly I have mixed feelings:
1) Glad it's now free... wish it was that way to begin with.
2) I payed 800k for 8 characters to get Razah because I <3 ritualists... The current re-sale value of those gems now equates to about 70k a set... meaning I lost 30k on each set... meaning I lost about 240 platinum because I would not have bought the sets otherwise...
Not necessarily 'complaining' just felt I should state why I have mixed feelings about this, hope you understand.
Hope Anet understands that this in no way 'rectifies' the problem, it merely appeases those who have yet to 'lose' out during this.
GJ either way Anet. I support your decision.
1) Glad it's now free... wish it was that way to begin with.
2) I payed 800k for 8 characters to get Razah because I <3 ritualists... The current re-sale value of those gems now equates to about 70k a set... meaning I lost 30k on each set... meaning I lost about 240 platinum because I would not have bought the sets otherwise...
Not necessarily 'complaining' just felt I should state why I have mixed feelings about this, hope you understand.
Hope Anet understands that this in no way 'rectifies' the problem, it merely appeases those who have yet to 'lose' out during this.
GJ either way Anet. I support your decision.
Hell Raiser
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He is just a hero as others like Koss, Dunkoro.
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It is a good thing to work for something, you should not simply be handed everything you want. I have no problem with them adding this, as I have said. I even think they handled it well by creating the other quest. I have a problem with people whining about it being too hard.
The Legg
great news, purposefully held back on getting razah cos it was much more profitable to sell the gemsets seeing as their price falls every week.
The Bloodrose
I am in the minority here. I worked hard to get the money for the 4 gems. I went with heros and henchies to get him. I died a few times, re-did my build, and tried again. When I finally got him I was so happy. Now this accomplishment was for nothing? I get my gems back(which are worth a % of what I paid for them now). And I no longer have something that is special.
It's like if you had a very nice weapon, perfect. Then anet does a special drop weekend and all that drops is the same weapon you have. Your weapon suddenly looses its value, it's no longer "cool, or nice" because everyone and their mother has it now. I was happy when anet made it to where hero's can get rid of their pets. (Thank god, I was getting tired of 4 flamingos running wild on the battlefield). But this one I am not for. I don't like it one bit.
There are very few things left to do in this game but grind for titles. Hard or very hard side quests are what keep me going. One less hard side quest to do now, for the reward is worth nothing. When you work hard for something you value the reward that much more. When you are given something for almost nothing, it looses all of its value and just becomes a thing.
And the reward for killing mallyx is 30,000xp and 4 gems. So you had a choice. Coffer of Whispers or your Rit hero. I really wish Anet would actually make us work for things in game, instead of giving into posts where people cry about not having the "1337" items that everyone else has.
It's like if you had a very nice weapon, perfect. Then anet does a special drop weekend and all that drops is the same weapon you have. Your weapon suddenly looses its value, it's no longer "cool, or nice" because everyone and their mother has it now. I was happy when anet made it to where hero's can get rid of their pets. (Thank god, I was getting tired of 4 flamingos running wild on the battlefield). But this one I am not for. I don't like it one bit.
There are very few things left to do in this game but grind for titles. Hard or very hard side quests are what keep me going. One less hard side quest to do now, for the reward is worth nothing. When you work hard for something you value the reward that much more. When you are given something for almost nothing, it looses all of its value and just becomes a thing.
And the reward for killing mallyx is 30,000xp and 4 gems. So you had a choice. Coffer of Whispers or your Rit hero. I really wish Anet would actually make us work for things in game, instead of giving into posts where people cry about not having the "1337" items that everyone else has.
Sir Skullcrasher
Just to refresh my memory, to get Razah back than. You need to pay the gems and do all those quests to get him right?
Series
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They made 2 versions of the 6 primary professions and 1 version of the 4 campaign specific professions, I think it was a good idea.
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Thought so. You were saying?
cellardweller
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I totally agree with the 1st part to this, earning something makes a person grow and yet ANet in their infinite wisdom have decided its a game for spoilt brats so why not give them it on a silver platter, I'm sorry Gaile but I really think ANet are maybe just handfeeding the players that QQ about everything, maybe if I QQ that I dont have enough ecto's you'll make a free UW & FoW month as opposed to a weekend?
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In other news - Yay!
Kali Magdalene
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And the reward for killing mallyx is 30,000xp and 4 gems. So you had a choice. Coffer of Whispers or your Rit hero. I really wish Anet would actually make us work for things in game, instead of giving into posts where people cry about not having the "1337" items that everyone else has.
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assassin of the god
yay! awesome annocement, im glad that Anet listens to their customers so much that they update meaningless PvE quests while leaving Jade Isle, soul raping,shadow stepping and hexes compleately untouched...../sacasm off
The Bloodrose
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Oh, yeah. There's certainly no effort involved in completing Nightfall and then doing the quest to get Razah, even without the gemstones. It's just like having a Razah-dispenser right outside Kamadan and in every guild hall.
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The Bloodrose
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If you think getting 10 of each gemstone to get the only ritualist hero was a reasonable requirement for casual players, you're seriously delusional.
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Kali Magdalene
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Everyone who bought the game will end up beating in sooner or later. And if a shitty player such as myself can solo the Razah quest, I am sure anyone else can. It took me 45minutes once I got the right party make up down.
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