Very dissapointed. I worked hard to get some of the gems, paid good money to get some, and now I get it back, yet the market will be demolished by it. Gem prices have been coming down, so for people who couldn't get them on thier own or with guildies would be finding an easier time to buy soon. What I feel should have been done was just increasing temporarily the drop rate of titans since theyre the most expensive, thus bringing the price down faster.
Before I felt it was an accomplishment to have razah. It still is an accomplishment, but no more so than getting both goren and norgu...
[Dev Update] Razah, Questing, & You
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Cebe
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Very dissapointed. I worked hard to get some of the gems, paid good money to get some, and now I get it back, yet the market will be demolished by it.
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Ferret
My first (and only) Razah cost me near 100k to buy the gems and i wont be getting that back (even with a full gem set refund), but do i mind, hell no.
At last i can now realistically get Razah with all my characters, especially as nearly all 8 of them have now finished NF. I am thrilled, especially since i have found a ritualist hero to be very useful.
Great news and thanks Gaile, thanks ANet.
At last i can now realistically get Razah with all my characters, especially as nearly all 8 of them have now finished NF. I am thrilled, especially since i have found a ritualist hero to be very useful.
Great news and thanks Gaile, thanks ANet.
Viet Spirit
The fact that you soon dont have to pay to get Razah does not mean less challenge as you will still have to do the quest to get him. As other heroes are free to recruit, why does Razah have to be so expensive to get when he is the only Rit hero choice we have?
Suggestion: make 2 armor sets for Razah. Those who paid 4 gems to get him will have him with uber fancy armor; those have him without cost will have him with shitty look but have option to upgrade his armor with 4 gem set.
Now who is not happy? :P
Suggestion: make 2 armor sets for Razah. Those who paid 4 gems to get him will have him with uber fancy armor; those have him without cost will have him with shitty look but have option to upgrade his armor with 4 gem set.
Now who is not happy? :P
Shadow_7
Very good update indeed.
Hell Raiser
Razah already has 2 armor sets, so you'll need 3.
He was supposed to be a challenge, a bonus for those who could get him. Why does FoW armor have to be so expensive, when we have all those other armors with the same exact stats, but much cheaper? He is a challenge.
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As other heroes are free to recruit, why does Razah have to be so expensive to get when he is the only Rit hero choice we have?
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terranova
It took me a while to obtain the quest and get Razah with my Derv, I had to do it with hero/hench, not much help available at that time. I felt that it was an acomplishment.
Making the requirements lesser at this point (no gems), will likely have a lot more ppl available for doing this quest. (kinda takes the sheen off my orignial effort). If possible maybe Gaile can sway Dev to add a little sweetner for the ppl who took this on originally.
Making the requirements lesser at this point (no gems), will likely have a lot more ppl available for doing this quest. (kinda takes the sheen off my orignial effort). If possible maybe Gaile can sway Dev to add a little sweetner for the ppl who took this on originally.
unienaule
WOW so Anet finally made something easier to get AND managed to keep everyone happy by refunding the difference to them! How about we apply this state of mind to, like, say, making all Fissure of Woe armor insigniable? Yes, I'm aware that probably isn't a word, but I don't care. That would be awesome.
Shmanka
Your truly not the only one losing faith, yet.
I like how Anet has definitely heard this community out loud for its good points and debates on the thread dealing with the ritualist hero in NF specifically. Although I am disapointed in Anet for not seeing this "grind" or whatever else it was subbed earlier. It really seems that Anet was just paper pushing products into the front lines without double checking. DoA was not finished etc etc. This is somewhat a reason I am glad for GW2, although it does not account for the fact that Anet should put more thought into implementations like this.
I like how Anet has definitely heard this community out loud for its good points and debates on the thread dealing with the ritualist hero in NF specifically. Although I am disapointed in Anet for not seeing this "grind" or whatever else it was subbed earlier. It really seems that Anet was just paper pushing products into the front lines without double checking. DoA was not finished etc etc. This is somewhat a reason I am glad for GW2, although it does not account for the fact that Anet should put more thought into implementations like this.
Shmanka
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Originally Posted by unienaule
WOW so Anet finally made something easier to get AND managed to keep everyone happy by refunding the difference to them! How about we apply this state of mind to, like, say, making all Fissure of Woe armor insigniable? Yes, I'm aware that probably isn't a word, but I don't care. That would be awesome.
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tyche7
Finally - this is awesome! Thank you Anet!!!
darted
Thank you
Good Idea
Good Job
Not said enough to the DEV group I think.
Good Idea
Good Job
Not said enough to the DEV group I think.
Retribution X
Sweetness. Can't wait till I get Razah on my rit.
Imagine that. double rit double monk hero/hench group.
Imagine that. double rit double monk hero/hench group.
Bane of Worlds
It's a fair compromise IMO and good news that Razah can be in the hands of the casual players
Melody Cross
TYVM. I think this is a fair compromise for those players who don't have the time to PvE really hard for Razzah.
GGs Anet; thanks for listening to us.
GGs Anet; thanks for listening to us.
tyche7
my one question though -- what else will these refunded gems be good for? What perks are there to having them back if we went through all the trouble the first time? (-: (I'm not complaining at all -- I like this update, I'm just asking)
Eadric
I agree that if you want something go work for it otherwise live without it and that is why I had already decided that my rit wasn't going to get Razah but my ranger was and I had started farming LB points to help ease the pain that is DoA. And by the way, there is a reason that it's called Domain of Anguish.
I have been called odd and after this you may agree. I don't climb mountains just because they are there, there needs to be something I'm interested in for me to acquire. By that I mean FoW, UW, Urgoz and the like hold no interest for me because there is nothing there I want. Razah, on the other hand, is something I am going after. But, being human, now that there is an easier way I'm going to take it.
As for Nightfall being the wrong chapter for him, I disagree. If you read his lore
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Razah
and his dialog in the quest Finding a Purpose
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Finding_a_Purpose
you will see that his profession could have just as easily been anything.
I have been called odd and after this you may agree. I don't climb mountains just because they are there, there needs to be something I'm interested in for me to acquire. By that I mean FoW, UW, Urgoz and the like hold no interest for me because there is nothing there I want. Razah, on the other hand, is something I am going after. But, being human, now that there is an easier way I'm going to take it.
As for Nightfall being the wrong chapter for him, I disagree. If you read his lore
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Razah
and his dialog in the quest Finding a Purpose
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Finding_a_Purpose
you will see that his profession could have just as easily been anything.
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Yes great news there goes the gem market 
Exoudeous
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He was supposed to be a challenge, a bonus for those who could get him. Why does FoW armor have to be so expensive, when we have all those other armors with the same exact stats, but much cheaper? He is a challenge.
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MarcinJ13
Hi.
I'm the minority ... blah blah blah .... could sell gemstones .... blah blah blah .... Now everyone has one ... blah blah blah .... It is no longer something elite.
So I am disapointed. But I wish best of luck to every player who wasn't good enough to get him in earlier (it means all those who wrote "Yeah! Great Job ANet!").
People will get Rit hench. Others will get gemstones back. There is Hard Mode comming. New minipet is introduced every few hours....... and I'm still waiting for "International" Titles.
KOiBD (Kind Of Ignored By Developers)
I'm the minority ... blah blah blah .... could sell gemstones .... blah blah blah .... Now everyone has one ... blah blah blah .... It is no longer something elite.
So I am disapointed. But I wish best of luck to every player who wasn't good enough to get him in earlier (it means all those who wrote "Yeah! Great Job ANet!").
People will get Rit hench. Others will get gemstones back. There is Hard Mode comming. New minipet is introduced every few hours....... and I'm still waiting for "International" Titles.
KOiBD (Kind Of Ignored By Developers)
TGgold
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Originally Posted by MarcinJ13
Hi.
I'm the minority ... blah blah blah .... could sell gemstones .... blah blah blah .... Now everyone has one ... blah blah blah .... It is no longer something elite. So I am disapointed. But I wish best of luck to every player who wasn't good enough to get him in earlier (it means all those who wrote "Yeah! Great Job ANet!"). People will get Rit hench. Others will get gemstones back. There is Hard Mode comming. New minipet is introduced every few hours....... and I'm still waiting for "International" Titles. KOiBD (Kind Of Ignored By Developers) |
I'm glad about the change. I'm glad peple are getting a set of stones back. I think this is how the quest shoudl have been all along.
II Mr Sinister II
Well i think its a great idea, i always thought it unfair that in PvP u just pay a little faction & got Razah just like that but in Pve you had to fight through hell & high water to get the gems to open the gate to him lol.
Nice on Gaile & ANet
Nice on Gaile & ANet
GloryFox
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Originally Posted by MarcinJ13 Hi. I'm the minority ... blah blah blah .... could sell gemstones .... blah blah blah .... Now everyone has one ... blah blah blah .... It is no longer something elite. So I am disapointed. But I wish best of luck to every player who wasn't good enough to get him in earlier (it means all those who wrote "Yeah! Great Job ANet!"). People will get Rit hench. Others will get gemstones back. There is Hard Mode comming. New minipet is introduced every few hours....... and I'm still waiting for "International" Titles. KOiBD (Kind Of Ignored By Developers) |
I can also tell you that Nuking, BIPing, Bonding (14 bonds bonder here), Healing, Spell Breaking Prot, and Tanking is and was not difficult or makes you ELITE at all.
What is and was difficult about obtaining Razah was TIME and TIME alone.
Skill vs. Grind is the model of Guild Wars, Razah became such a grind that many simply could not do it because of TIME. I believe ANET realized this when their own staff could not get him because of the amount of TIME it took to form a party of non leavers, Assign all skills, and responsibilities for each party member, Communication and TIME to do 4 total missions for one HERO with each mission requiring 2.5 - 8 hours at per session became near impossible for the average player. This also does not take into account that if you only had an Assassin Paragon Ritualist, Mesmer or Dervish your odds of getting into a party were significantly reduced to zero in most cases.
NOW take in all factors for TIME for the one Ritualist HERO and pretend you had 10 characters (one of each class) as I do. That is either a ridiculous amount of TME or money for a single HERO henchman.
Yes ANET is doing the right thing and is responding correctly to what players such as myself have been saying for months now.
"MAKE RAZAH REASONABLE" and they did.
Again Thank you ANET...
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by MarcinJ13
Hi.
I'm the minority ... blah blah blah .... could sell gemstones .... blah blah blah .... Now everyone has one ... blah blah blah .... It is no longer something elite. So I am disapointed. But I wish best of luck to every player who wasn't good enough to get him in earlier (it means all those who wrote "Yeah! Great Job ANet!"). People will get Rit hench. Others will get gemstones back. There is Hard Mode comming. New minipet is introduced every few hours....... and I'm still waiting for "International" Titles. KOiBD (Kind Of Ignored By Developers) |
Melody Cross
to MarcinJ13:
I respect your willingness to come forward and your effort in the game to get something most players on these forums have decided to either ignore as being too time consuming and expensive or too hard for its reward. no one can ever take your accomplishment away from you--that you had Razzah before anyone of us, and that you did it the "hard way".
I also understand why you may feel upset or overlooked. Other players feel the same way lots of times. Shucks, the whole HA community feels that way atm, and GvGers to an extent when I talk to them about some things going on. Anet is trying to please lots of different players with a single game and that is very hard to do.
But the devs don't ignore you. I think there are better ways for you to say what you said, and that might have made a stronger case. But many players agreed that having the only rit hench as a PvE elite was overkill.
If I still spent as much time PvEing as I do PvPing, I might have had a fair chance. But all that time in DoA would have just been a boring waste of time for me, and my guild wouldn't have allowed it anyway.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone is in a minority about something in a game this complex. Please try not to be too bitter because, believe it or not, everyone here understands where you're coming from if they think about it.
GGs
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MarcinJ13 and others like him have a right to be a little mad too, so don't be too mean to them. They played by the rules, hard as they were, and Anet upped and changed them after the fact. That is a little unfair if you think about it, even if its the lesser of evils.
I respect your willingness to come forward and your effort in the game to get something most players on these forums have decided to either ignore as being too time consuming and expensive or too hard for its reward. no one can ever take your accomplishment away from you--that you had Razzah before anyone of us, and that you did it the "hard way".
I also understand why you may feel upset or overlooked. Other players feel the same way lots of times. Shucks, the whole HA community feels that way atm, and GvGers to an extent when I talk to them about some things going on. Anet is trying to please lots of different players with a single game and that is very hard to do.
But the devs don't ignore you. I think there are better ways for you to say what you said, and that might have made a stronger case. But many players agreed that having the only rit hench as a PvE elite was overkill.
If I still spent as much time PvEing as I do PvPing, I might have had a fair chance. But all that time in DoA would have just been a boring waste of time for me, and my guild wouldn't have allowed it anyway.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone is in a minority about something in a game this complex. Please try not to be too bitter because, believe it or not, everyone here understands where you're coming from if they think about it.
GGs
PS: to everyone else
MarcinJ13 and others like him have a right to be a little mad too, so don't be too mean to them. They played by the rules, hard as they were, and Anet upped and changed them after the fact. That is a little unfair if you think about it, even if its the lesser of evils.
Miss Persephone
Really pleased to read this, I've used Razah in pvp but coughing up all that cash for a titan gemstone in pve just didn't appeal to me for a hero I'd like to mess with but who won't necessarily become a permanent part of my team setup.
Great job on listening to the players on this one, much appreciated.
Great job on listening to the players on this one, much appreciated.
GloryFox
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It never occurred to me that high end PvP guilds would not allow players to PvE and spend time farming Razah for their PvE characters. That may explain why ANET recognizes the TIME issue of getting Razah for PvE characters.
CONSPIRACY THEORY
Perhaps ANET changed their mind because of the IRON CLAD time and game restraints placed upon PVP guild members. Getting Razah for a primary PvP player was too much grind for them so they talked ANET into changing the standard method for getting Razah, and forced them to listen to what us PvE players have been saying from the start? ....
ITS REALY A PVP CONSPIRACY AGAIN TO CONTROL MORE OF PVE!
Blu
To MarcinJ13 and others with the same concerns, I sorta know how you guys would feel and it kinda sucks that Razah won't be elite and rare any more but now everyone can get the ONLY (for the moment?) Rit. Hero in the game so far.
As for myself, I'm glad that I'm getting my gems back for Razah, and to A-net, very nice job with this update, well thought out so everyone wins (Except the Gem prices )
As for myself, I'm glad that I'm getting my gems back for Razah, and to A-net, very nice job with this update, well thought out so everyone wins (Except the Gem prices
Dmitry
lol i actually went to the guy a few times, and he kept asking me for the stones...then i read this again and realised it not here yet lol
lennymon
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to MarcinJ13:
I respect your willingness to come forward and your effort in the game to get something most players on these forums have decided to either ignore as being too time consuming and expensive or too hard for its reward. no one can ever take your accomplishment away from you--that you had Razzah before anyone of us, and that you did it the "hard way". I also understand why you may feel upset or overlooked. Other players feel the same way lots of times. Shucks, the whole HA community feels that way atm, and GvGers to an extent when I talk to them about some things going on. Anet is trying to please lots of different players with a single game and that is very hard to do. But the devs don't ignore you. I think there are better ways for you to say what you said, and that might have made a stronger case. But many players agreed that having the only rit hench as a PvE elite was overkill. If I still spent as much time PvEing as I do PvPing, I might have had a fair chance. But all that time in DoA would have just been a boring waste of time for me, and my guild wouldn't have allowed it anyway. I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone is in a minority about something in a game this complex. Please try not to be too bitter because, believe it or not, everyone here understands where you're coming from if they think about it. GGs PS: to everyone else MarcinJ13 and others like him have a right to be a little mad too, so don't be too mean to them. They played by the rules, hard as they were, and Anet upped and changed them after the fact. That is a little unfair if you think about it, even if its the lesser of evils. |
don't listen to nobody, do what you wanna do.
Kali Magdalene
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PS: to everyone else
MarcinJ13 and others like him have a right to be a little mad too, so don't be too mean to them. They played by the rules, hard as they were, and Anet upped and changed them after the fact. That is a little unfair if you think about it, even if its the lesser of evils. |
Hell Raiser
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I already have razah, and i think its good anet is doing this. too bad you can't be as mature
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). I completely agree with him.I'm immature because I support Bush, yet many do not? No. I simply don't see it their way, and refuse to follow the crowd like sheep. Same thing with this, I don't support the majority, so I'm immature? No. Don't say someone is immature because they do not see your point of view.
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you just answerd your own question. there is no in game rit hero besides razah, so there is now comon "skin" for a rit hero cause he is the only one
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To those that are threatening to uninstall because Anet ignores PvP, why are you still here? I see PvPers threatening to /ragequit yet they are still here (and don't plan on leaving). Uninstall already!
Porkchop Sandwhiches
Oh thank God. I've only been playing this game casually for a while now and didn't think I'd ever get this quest done, I don't have the time or money for these darn gems!
JoeKnowMo
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So I am disapointed. But I wish best of luck to every player who wasn't good enough to get him in earlier (it means all those who wrote "Yeah! Great Job ANet!").
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Kali Magdalene
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Here's the reason why Razah was moved out. Spending hours in DoA leads to delusions where one thinks that Time Played = Skill.
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You've won it.
The Ernada
How about they add a new "elite" quest to replace the old Razah quest for those who are complaining that Razah is no longer elite? The quest could take 16 gems and the reward will be a cookie and a bloated sense of pride for your excellence at grinding.
Sir Vengence VI
When does this come into effect?
RTSFirebat
Great news. Till now I just didn't really consider getting Zazah due to the Gem requirement. Excellent changes all round.
I fail to see why a Ritulist hero should be "elite" compared to all the other heros in the game.
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I'm the minority ... blah blah blah .... could sell gemstones .... blah blah blah .... Now everyone has one ... blah blah blah .... It is no longer something elite. |
GalaKnight
Razah was a unique end-game cosmetic hero. His cost around eighty platinum was just insane though. The quest required you to complete six elite quests in order to get Razah, the four basic locations of Domain of Anguish, the Citadel and then the Heart of Abaddon as well. I believe the gemstones should have never have been a requirement to begin with but Heroes are the new weapons/armors in Guild Wars, you have to buy them skills, farm them weapons, Maybe if Razah's quest gave you some platinum as well or something it would be reasonable, the so called "elite" area is an area that requires a sort of "cheating" to beat. Only one kind of team using the exact same skills can beat it. That's not skill that's homework. To be honest, the best idea that can be implemented would be to make gemstones common drops. Then the area will stay elite (for unique weapon drops like every other elite area) and wont be that much of a hassle to get the last hero in the game.
ANet I am sorry, the area and idea was good, but the practice was fowl and sad that left a bitter taste in my mouth and made me curse my work and school as they conflicted. While the area (second to Ninja Gaiden for the xbox) is the hardest damn thing I have ever experienced in gaming.
ANet I am sorry, the area and idea was good, but the practice was fowl and sad that left a bitter taste in my mouth and made me curse my work and school as they conflicted. While the area (second to Ninja Gaiden for the xbox) is the hardest damn thing I have ever experienced in gaming.
Traveller
I could understand the "eliteness" if Razah truly were a variable main profession hero, like they (supposedly) intended at some point. But since he turned out to be a ritualist, the whole requirement and time spent in order to get him has felt totally disproportionate.