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Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

14 May 2007 at 20:00 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper for meow

i understand the ban for spamming in all chat, but why 71 HOURS !!!!

give a warning ban first for like 5 hours or something, [ ... ]

Requires the system to keep track of first-time and second-time offenders etc. Its just easier that its set up as "spamming? 72-hour ban" from a programmatical standpoint. Perfectly understandable. I suppose I can understand your point that the update notes could have said something about this, but you wont really get any sympathy from me. I'd have made it a week's ban lol.

Seriously though, you had to have known you were crossing the line, right? I sell and buy all the time and never got banned.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

14 May 2007 at 20:03 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by allience

my friend got banned for 72 hours for spaming WTB in trade chat! he spamed like 5 times and disconnected. i have a feeling anet is abusing us

Don't whine, it was clearly stated in the EULA*that u should not abuse the chat channels. you have spamming and spamming. Continuous Trade spam in genberal chat should result in ban. repeated in line spamming in trade should result in ban as wel, as it just forces people to spam more and more, as scroplling of the text goes way too fast. This ban regulation would result in only normal traders spamming in trade channel while the bad ones are automatically removed. Serves their right methinks. Spam sell is allready a bad enough way to trade, spamsquared sell should be banned, unfortunately the auction house aint coming.

*http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

14 May 2007 at 20:04 - 43

Haha, wait you were spamming in all chat? Do you also like sticking your finger in electrical sockets to see what will happen?

Yaga Philipe

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Insanity

Vis Decus Vertus [vDv]

R/

14 May 2007 at 20:08 - 44

Finally the day has come when people get banned for spamming to much.

I'm not saying you're a really bad spammer, but this means that the bad are/should be getting banned, which is good.

badfish34668

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

LF guild

R/Mo

14 May 2007 at 20:08 - 45

i'm calling b.s. on this.

its just reverse psychology to try to get people to stop spamming, by spreading rumors.

behavior modification through fear....only works on the weak minded.

i'm going back to lions arch to spam local chat.

Ozric

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Texas

Phoolz Like Us

E/Me

14 May 2007 at 20:13 - 46

I wonder how this code works. I have a fast computer with a raid array so I like to spam a one-liner in each district then pop-in to another district and do it again. I'll go to all the major towns and just spam one line, then on to the next. This way I can find that one guy that's looking for my item wherever he is. Hopefully this code doesn't discriminate against me that much, since I'm only spamming one line per district.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

14 May 2007 at 20:22 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozric

I wonder how this code works. I have a fast computer with a raid array so I like to spam a one-liner in each district then pop-in to another district and do it again. I'll go to all the major towns and just spam one line, then on to the next. This way I can find that one guy that's looking for my item wherever he is. Hopefully this code doesn't discriminate against me that much, since I'm only spamming one line per district.

[offtopic]
A raid array has no influence whatsoever on the game speed unless you need to load huge amounts of data, this is most likely not the case and just used data is usually cached.
[/offtopic]

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

14 May 2007 at 20:25 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by badfish34668

i'm calling b.s. on this.

its just reverse psychology to try to get people to stop spamming, by spreading rumors.

behavior modification through fear....only works on the weak minded.

i'm going back to lions arch to spam local chat.

lol. I really do doubt the OP made up the story. They sound unhappy they cannot play.

Anyway, its great to have a free test candidate. Please go do just this and report back if/when you get banned.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2007 at 20:39 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

repeated in line spamming in trade should result in ban as wel, as it just forces people to spam more and more, as scroplling of the text goes way too fast.

No sir.

I'm all for banning guys that abuse the local channel for selling.

However...Anet has a provision for controlling mass spamming. They have an automatic message suppresion function in place. If you have trouble following the WTS ads in the legitimate trade channel, go to a less populated district where you can find a market pace closer to your ability to follow.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

14 May 2007 at 20:39 - 50

Well deserved ban IMO.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

14 May 2007 at 20:44 - 51

I'm anxious about selling stuff now. I'm not a spammer, per se, and I do use the Trade channel but it seems that they're upping their strictness on the situation.

I think it's a good change but prior warning might be enough to scare people in to behaving properly.

Alvarez

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

14 May 2007 at 20:50 - 52

I think it's a great call if you're caught doing things like that in local chat. I personally love Lions Arch D1 for the great conversations I have...
If I wanted to buy or sell something, I would check the trade chat (or once in a blue moon pressing 'P' lol) and mute local chat. People who have the trade chat muted have it on mute for a reason, no need to put your ads in local! tsk tsk!
If you're also temp-banned for having spammed your trade in trade chat, then I'm glad! Spam is spam no matter where you chat. Don't use the excuse of "well I can't sell my stuff because it gets spammed off!" - that's not resolving the spam problem

Quantum Duck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Err7

Me/

14 May 2007 at 21:00 - 53

Sweet. I hope more people who clutter all chat with trade spam get temp banned until they actually stay in the trade channel. I'd love to actually be able to use all chat in major cities again.

Nothing against people who want to trade at all. But there's a channel for that. Please stay there. When I want to trade, I go to major city and turn it on. Otherwise I really don't care what you're buying or selling.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

14 May 2007 at 21:02 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

I'm anxious about selling stuff now. I'm not a spammer, per se, and I do use the Trade channel but it seems that they're upping their strictness on the situation.

I think it's a good change but prior warning might be enough to scare people in to behaving properly.

Prior warning?! lol you got to be joking? there has been plenty of warning. It is about time Anet pulled their collective finger out.

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

14 May 2007 at 21:09 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

Thats fair,I mean he could have used the specialized trading syst-

Owait.There isn't one.

MAHMISTAKELOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Yes there is. It's called a trade channel. Just because it isn't exactly what you want doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

14 May 2007 at 21:10 - 56

What i meant by 'prior warning' is if they've become more strict with spammers then they should let people know via the welcome-screen message, forums, their own website, the Queen's Speech or some other medium.

I'm not excusing spammers but I reckon it would be considerate to declare a change of heart from ArenaNet's end. After all, spamming has been allowed for two years now.

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

14 May 2007 at 21:15 - 57

Best GW news I've heard in a long time. Ban the spammers, ban the bots. I stand behind the movement with all 4 legs.

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

14 May 2007 at 21:25 - 58

The excuse of using chat channel because more people see it doesn't fly. People not interested in buying shut off trade chat. So they are not part of your customer base even in all chat.

If you come to the forums complaining because ANet has started enforcing the rules, you are not going to find much sympathy except from other violators.

Go read the Merchant Guide in the Community Works forum. Learn to be a real trader instead of a professional nuisance.

As stated, this is the second thread so far, I expect there will be a lot more.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

14 May 2007 at 21:28 - 59

I think they could have banned you for something else other than spamming that much. If that is true, than we'll see less spammers everywhere.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

14 May 2007 at 21:54 - 60

I would move that we get ANet to allow for unlimited, unchecked spamming in AD1 of Kamadan, LA and Kaineng, but any spamming in any other districts receives a quick, decisive and lengthy ban without any warnings. Sacrifice the one district in the three towns (easy to avoid) for the sanity of the rest.

DFrost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Ultima Thule

Legacy of Echovald [Echo]

P/

14 May 2007 at 22:02 - 61

I really hope this is a change in code, not just a coincidence where a GM happened to be in the same district. Having to keep the chat off because of useless trade crap is one of the most annoying things in the game, so hopefully they're seriously taking action against it.

draceena

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

14 May 2007 at 22:14 - 62

I agree, if this is a new code change instead of just a random dev ban this will improve the game 100%.

Trade Spam Nerf FTW!

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

14 May 2007 at 22:15 - 63

I've heard of more cases of such bans that happened today so i guess it's a new organised action against spam.
We know they have an option of *muting* an account so why not use that instead of a ban?
And the exact rules about what behavior qualifies for a ban should be made public. Towns are still as full of spam as they were before but some random people got hit by bans.

And i know it's not an excuse but there IS a real need for a new greatly impoved trade system...

bryann380

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/

14 May 2007 at 22:20 - 64

I lost count how many times I've had to tell people "try using the trade chat to buy/sell stuff, where it belongs...". It's about time Anet takes action against people like the OP. If I want to see trade messages, I'll have that channel turned on.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

14 May 2007 at 22:34 - 65

I'd like if they would make an official statement about this.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

14 May 2007 at 22:38 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

I've heard of more cases of such bans that happened today so i guess it's a new organised action against spam.
We know they have an option of *muting* an account so why not use that instead of a ban?
And the exact rules about what behavior qualifies for a ban should be made public.

c'mon, it's not like this is Blizzard or something. They'll tell you when they feel it's your priviledged time to know, and not a minute too soon. Who do you think you are that you rate an explanation of the rules so soon after a change? A VIP or something? Wait until they grant you the serenity to know (or else run out of excuses/denials). It's just a game. You are lucky ANet allows you to continue to grace their kingdoms.. Information.. hah.. greedy bastard. Besides, it's all player lies (and player blame) until/unless they decide to disclose. Quit umping on the player bandwagon, you know we all lie about this stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And i know it's not an excuse but there IS a real need for a new greatly impoved trade system...

heh, you will get it when you're broken. ever read 1984? you know the drill. again, who do you think you're dealing with? players are all just greedy bastards. take what you're given and suck it up... you consume what they give you, and you'll love it...

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

Me/

14 May 2007 at 22:40 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oofus

Seriously people, LA Am D1, Kamadan Am D1 and Ascalon Int ARE TRADE CENTERS, it's an accepted FACT of GW. If you don't want to see "W T S" and "W T B" then go to district 2 in those 3 cities to spam for “a good guild who has vent and ABs”.

Well, Kamadan being a starting town shoudl not have so much trade, It confuses and deters new players.
Second, trade spam is in more than the first district of each city. And as it has been stated many times here before, Local chat is not meant for trade full stop.

I personally refuse to buy an item if its placed in chat via spamming, regardless of channel.

Cruel Strider

Banned

Join Date: May 2007

14 May 2007 at 22:46 - 68

Thanks for new anti-spamming system. As I see no other viable options to sell (unless you get super uber items), I will keep all to myself, give friends, or merch them. Trading ftl!

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

14 May 2007 at 22:56 - 69

im might jump on and check out kamadan to see if spamming has gone down.......Im glad i haven't been spamming lately

But it's weird because in dis 5 i mentioned that and people said in all chat
people said,

They don't ban people for that::::about 10 times lol.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

14 May 2007 at 23:01 - 70

Waiting for Gaile... waiting for Gaile... waiting for Gaile...

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

14 May 2007 at 23:04 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

No sir.

I'm all for banning guys that abuse the local channel for selling.

However...Anet has a provision for controlling mass spamming. They have an automatic message suppresion function in place. If you have trouble following the WTS ads in the legitimate trade channel, go to a less populated district where you can find a market pace closer to your ability to follow.

Maybe you don't understand what i mean, here an example:

WTS best axe in game
WTS best axe in game
WTS best axe in game

Usually poorly described, but even worse three times the same message in a row, this is abbusive spam. In the EULA is stated that spamming is not allowed thus this should result in a ban too, IMO. Now if you "spam", once per 25-30 lines or so, i can perfectly live with that. But repeating to just draw attention is just a bad mechanism that interferes with the chat space for others. Like messages written in CAPS, same stuff, and giving you a headache, try that on a forum, and see how long you will last.

I hope this clears stuf up. If you still disagree, and think that stuttering traders are a legit means then i can only suggest to read the EULA.

Psuedo Halgoen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

GMT+10

14 May 2007 at 23:05 - 72

Good game Anet.
Don't spam your wares, but we won't give you any "decent" system in which to sell your items. whoooo hooo~

If there is a new code in place, why haven't we been told about it? Miss Gaile?

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 May 2007 at 23:08 - 73

Quick question to the Europe territory people out there: Is it as bad as the American servers? Worse? Pretty good? Just wondering because I've noticed people referencing AD1 of the outposts.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

14 May 2007 at 23:20 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

I personally refuse to buy an item if its placed in chat via spamming, regardless of channel.

Me either - it's my way of protesting against it. I'd never buy from someone who spamms 3 or 4 times in a split second to grab my attention because it's bumping other peoples' WTB/WTS statements of the screen.

I also refuse to buy an item when people say it's 'Q9'. It makes no sense. 'Requirement' begins with R.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2007 at 23:29 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

Maybe you don't understand what i mean, here an example:

WTS best axe in game
WTS best axe in game
WTS best axe in game

Usually poorly described, but even worse three times the same message in a row, this is abbusive spam. In the EULA is stated that spamming is not allowed thus this should result in a ban too, IMO. Now if you "spam", once per 25-30 lines or so, i can perfectly live with that. But repeating to just draw attention is just a bad mechanism that interferes with the chat space for others. Like messages written in CAPS, same stuff, and giving you a headache, try that on a forum, and see how long you will last.

I hope this clears stuf up. If you still disagree, and think that stuttering traders are a legit means then i can only suggest to read the EULA.

Need some help with reading comprehension?

Quote:

Originally Posted by EULA

(j) In the Game(s), characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called "Chat Messages." With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated "spamming," or "flooding" of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character's ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.

The definition of spamming is up to the Anet team to decide. I very much doubt you'll see bans of people using the trade channel. Even if it's retarded descriptions 3 times in a row. There is a filter that kicks in, and suppresses "spamming" automatically. No need for your interpretations.

The bans you will see are the wackos that insist on "spamming" their wares in the local CHAT channel. Go have a cookie.

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 May 2007 at 23:33 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Quick question to the Europe territory people out there: Is it as bad as the American servers? Worse? Pretty good? Just wondering because I've noticed people referencing AD1 of the outposts.

At peak times of the day, yes, It's just as bad.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

14 May 2007 at 23:37 - 77

ARENANET'S GRATUTITOUS BANNINGS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A WEAK AND INEFFECTIVE POLICY AND IT'S PROOF THAT THEY SUCK!

THIS IS THE END! OF GUILD WARS! GO PLAY WOW, WHERE THEY BAN YOU FOR ACCIDENTLY SAYING JUST ONE BAD WORD!

...hehe.

If such a policy is intact, I'm surprised we haven't seen more posts about such bannings. From what I see in LA/Kaineng/Kamadan, half of the people there should be banned in a similar manner.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

14 May 2007 at 23:42 - 78

so what have we all learned today?

>

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

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W/

14 May 2007 at 23:56 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

Me either - it's my way of protesting against it. I'd never buy from someone who spamms 3 or 4 times in a split second to grab my attention because it's bumping other peoples' WTB/WTS statements of the screen.

I also refuse to buy an item when people say it's 'Q9'. It makes no sense. 'Requirement' begins with R.

I agree, whoever came up with that Q9 crap needs a punch in the face. R9 makes more sense...

I think this change/update/something could be interesting, if it isn't just a few isolated incidences.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 May 2007 at 23:59 - 80

Phew!

It's a good thing I use a lower case "q".