Banned 71 hours for spamming?!
J snukka
/stand up and applaud Anet. finally those spamming annoying pluckers are going to get what they deserve. learn to not spam.
Sir Skullcrasher
Good Job A-Net, banning for spamming is the best idea sine AoE nerf and SR nerf!! 
*/sarcasm*
*/sarcasm*
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
Need some help with reading comprehension?
The definition of spamming is up to the Anet team to decide. I very much doubt you'll see bans of people using the trade channel. Even if it's retarded descriptions 3 times in a row. There is a filter that kicks in, and suppresses "spamming" automatically. No need for your interpretations. The bans you will see are the wackos that insist on "spamming" their wares in the local CHAT channel. Go have a cookie. |
Now you actually quoted my argument, and therfor I will repeat your quote again and highlight what is really important there:
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(j) In the Game(s), characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called "Chat Messages." With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated "spamming," or "flooding" of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character's ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure.
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The filter just doesn't work well, it should be more tightly controlled. Its like soul reaping that was exploited for 2 years, the filter is just not apt enough to control even small repetitions, because what is the use of saying three times the same thing, tell me? Please come with arguments, go eat cookies just isn't enough of an argument for me.
Tell me would you not be annoyed of everyone automatically repeated two times what they last said? It's just interfering with the messages of others by driving them of the screen, it is a-social and egoistic.
The fact that they dont have a bot filter in granite citadel doenst mean that bots are allowed, you shouldn't reverse measures taken by anet/ncsoft to deal with extreme excess of spam and use them as arguments. they are just means to deal with the worst situations. the EULA clearly stated that repetition is not allowed. The fact that small repetitions are still possible doenst mean it is not in conflict with the EULA.
scrinner
Screens or it didn't happen.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
Now it says of repeated spamming or flodding of any chat channel, not just the local one, also trade and other channels do fall in this category. I'm not having the reading disability here. Ofcourse the statement in bold is followed by a very freely interpretable statement that allows ncsoft full reaign over their product. The filter just doesn't work well, it should be more tightly controlled. Its like soul reaping that was exploited for 2 years, the filter is just not apt enough to control even small repetitions, because what is the use of saying three times the same thing, tell me? Please come with arguments, go eat cookies just isn't enough of an argument for me. Tell me would you not be annoyed of everyone automatically repeated two times what they last said? It's just interfering with the messages of others by driving them of the screen, it is a-social and egoistic. |
Ahrims Assassin
Sooo....let me get this straight:
Arena-Net doesn't want us to make gold so they nerf the droprate.
Arena-Net wants us to sell gold items to people who have no gold so they buff the gold-item droprate.
Arena-Net decides to start dropping bans without warnings because people are trying to sell their buffed gold items to people with no gold.
I am now quite honestly confused about what Arena-Net wants from us. I know I never cared about trade or all channel in any of those cities, unless I was selling something(Which I now won't do for fear of a ban, at least until someone from A-net talks to us), and, like a previous poster said: those were the trade cities. If you want to talk to someone there, invite them to your party, or if there in you guild/alliance use that chat. But if you absolutely must use local, why pick a trade center anyway?
Arena-Net doesn't want us to make gold so they nerf the droprate.
Arena-Net wants us to sell gold items to people who have no gold so they buff the gold-item droprate.
Arena-Net decides to start dropping bans without warnings because people are trying to sell their buffed gold items to people with no gold.
I am now quite honestly confused about what Arena-Net wants from us. I know I never cared about trade or all channel in any of those cities, unless I was selling something(Which I now won't do for fear of a ban, at least until someone from A-net talks to us), and, like a previous poster said: those were the trade cities. If you want to talk to someone there, invite them to your party, or if there in you guild/alliance use that chat. But if you absolutely must use local, why pick a trade center anyway?
Clone
I'm torn. If you were using the general chat channel, you probably got what you deserve. People that try to sell stuff there are annoying. At the same rate, I certianly understand the frustrations involved in actually trying to sell stuff in this game. The trade channel is pathetic, and the party search is by no means a suitable replacement for a well planned auction system. In the end, Anet really needs to focus less on trying to ban people for breaking the rules and spend more of their efforts on a trade system that works well and people will actually want to use.
Firebaall
To cookie hater:
The trade channel is not a "chat" channel. It is not there to converse. It is an ad driven medium.
Go have an apple
Go have an apple
.....ironic that you double posted your response though. lol.
The trade channel is not a "chat" channel. It is not there to converse. It is an ad driven medium.
Go have an apple
Go have an apple
.....ironic that you double posted your response though. lol.
J snukka
well im sure an improved trade system will be implemented by the time GWEN is out.
Wish Swiftdeath
I agree with the change, its so annoying.
Even spamming in the trade channel should be prohibited, im sick of typing out what i want to buy or sell, pressing enter to only have it disappear off the screen in half a second because some idiot wants to sell his blue req 13 FDS.....
Even spamming in the trade channel should be prohibited, im sick of typing out what i want to buy or sell, pressing enter to only have it disappear off the screen in half a second because some idiot wants to sell his blue req 13 FDS.....
jackie
I'm going to experiment this new spamban system tonight just for fun if I get a chance. I have to see how easily it triggers. See you later in 71? hours
PyrAnkh
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I wonder how this code works. I have a fast computer with a raid array so I like to spam a one-liner in each district then pop-in to another district and do it again. I'll go to all the major towns and just spam one line, then on to the next. This way I can find that one guy that's looking for my item wherever he is. Hopefully this code doesn't discriminate against me that much, since I'm only spamming one line per district.
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I totally agree on banning people spamming their WTS stuff for hours on an end though.
Ahrims Assassin
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Originally Posted by PyrAnkh
I totally agree on banning people spamming their WTS stuff for hours on an end though.
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Kotetsu Rain
I think it's a fair ban but the limit's waaay too high. I think whoever banned you either had a really bad hangover or was on their period. Or both...
I still kinda say that this is just another result of the lack of a better trade system. I mean the party search function only works for one-shot items but for those rare golds and colorfull greens that we've all come to know and love theres not enough room to type out what attracts our customers.
I mean my lil bro used to play this other Free MMO called Last Chaos. For buying/selling you we're able to open a sort of trading form that you can drag and drop items into, add a little price tag, and then go afk. It sounds pretty uneffective but it works for the most part but one improvement to this would be golden.
If you we're also able to search for the name of the item you were trying to buy. I have the upmost confidence that Anet can pull such a feat off. Sure they're busy but this would be the update of the ages.
I still kinda say that this is just another result of the lack of a better trade system. I mean the party search function only works for one-shot items but for those rare golds and colorfull greens that we've all come to know and love theres not enough room to type out what attracts our customers.
I mean my lil bro used to play this other Free MMO called Last Chaos. For buying/selling you we're able to open a sort of trading form that you can drag and drop items into, add a little price tag, and then go afk. It sounds pretty uneffective but it works for the most part but one improvement to this would be golden.
If you we're also able to search for the name of the item you were trying to buy. I have the upmost confidence that Anet can pull such a feat off. Sure they're busy but this would be the update of the ages.
Alderin
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Originally Posted by J snukka
well im sure an improved trade system will be implemented by the time GWEN is out.
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Div
One person whines about getting banned with no proof of what he did and the entire community gets fired up against Anet? For all we know, he might've been banned for using a script the day before. Seriously, this shows how instinctive and mindless a lot of the posters on guru are.
Ahrims Assassin
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
One person whines about getting banned with no proof of what he did and the entire community gets fired up against Anet? For all we know, he might've been banned for using a script the day before. Seriously, this shows how instinctive and mindless a lot of the posters on guru are.
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Heres one, there was another that got locked for supposedly stirring up hate against A-net or something.
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=452009
Ah wait, that one was closed too. Some sensitive mods there.
Anyway, I hope we see something by Arena-Net rather than this silence. Clear up some of the confusion maybe.
Luna Star
If people didn't buy your item the first time, then i doubt spamming it is gonna make them buy it.
It's a good move from a-net and hopefully those outposts will get cleaned up a bit.
It has been clearly said in the Eula that any spam is wrong no matter where.
It's a good move from a-net and hopefully those outposts will get cleaned up a bit.
It has been clearly said in the Eula that any spam is wrong no matter where.
Shadis
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Originally Posted by J snukka
well im sure an improved trade system will be implemented by the time GWEN is out.
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arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by J snukka
well im sure an improved trade system will be implemented by the time GWEN is out.
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Gaile, perhaps a little usual hand waving and "We'll look into it, surely there's more to this" is in order? Or maybe an admittance that the support team is now actively banning spammers, or some new code was introduced. So yeah, either an "aye" or "nay" on this accusation.
artay
If I turn off the Trade channel and I still can't get a word in Local because of WTS x, WTB y.
Then theres something wrong.
Then theres something wrong.
Jongo River
If this is all true, I'm very happy to hear it. I don't trade much, but when I do, I always turn regular chat off, because the worst spamming tends to happen there (hitting out a message four times in a row, repeatedly, for instance) and it makes everything move so fast, it's impossible to even read the damn text! Those idiots don't seem to realise they actually reduce their chances of selling anything.
Even if it were possible to keep track of all channels in a busy trade outpost, I've no interest in rewarding people who behave like that. Ban the lot of them.
Even if it were possible to keep track of all channels in a busy trade outpost, I've no interest in rewarding people who behave like that. Ban the lot of them.
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
To cookie hater:
The trade channel is not a "chat" channel. It is not there to converse. It is an ad driven medium. Go have an apple Go have an apple .....ironic that you double posted your response though. lol. |
As to reply to the bolded stuff, the trade channel is a chat channel too. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge that, but if they intended the local channel, then they would have said local in the EULA, for now it refers to all chat channels, meaning local, guild, trade, and whisper. Advertising your goods is ok, not in local channel and not repeatedly as indicated in the EULA. This is the last time that i will respond to u unless u come with some arguments.
ABout the ironic part, yes I doubleposted cause the connection with GURU is certain not always optimal. Funny is that it it will illustrate the normal bussiness here, we post usually only once (eben I do), we don't repeat our messages intentionally, I thereby apologize and indicate that it happened UNINTENTIONALLY, and am glad that the mods removed the double posted message.
You don't "win" discussion by being funny, nor can u actually win a discussion. you can only show and maybe convince others by arguments. You don't convince others by repeating the same argument over and over. If others are being convinced (or just stop discussing, as I think it will usually be the case) by sheer spamming of funny remarks, or whatever unargumented contents, then you are hjust disrupting the discussion, not contributing to it.
sir lockt
The OP admitted he posted in "all-chat" I would say there you have a reason. No matter the mechanism that caught him. I think it should be expanded. All-chat is useless with all the WTB/WTS adds. Trade channel is full with it as well.. as it should be.
I like the way anet dealt with this... banning WTS/WTB posters in all chat should be dealt with.
I like the way anet dealt with this... banning WTS/WTB posters in all chat should be dealt with.
Perynne
I gotta say I agree with Anet for banning someone who spammed in local chat. If they intended local chat to be used for trade spam, then there wouldn't be a trade chat would there? I really don't understand people who refuse to use the trade chat. Local is there for talk, and it's really sad to see people asking for help on local only to be flooded out by inane trade spam.
I absolutely hate the spammers in local chat and never trade with them even if they're selling something I really want. Cheers to Anet for actually doing something about it.
I'm sure spamming is quite essential to get your items sold, but there's no need to spam it every second. Write your message, press enter, and then wait for a while. If someone's interested, it will take them a few seconds to type up a reply. People will notice it if they're looking for something even if you only type it every 30 seconds. Trade chat is also quite enough to get your items displayed. If you want to do some larger trading, then using Auction houses and forums like in Guru work quite well.
I know this is a poor alternative to an ingame trading house, but I have a feeling that even if such a trading house was implemented, people would still be too lazy to use it...
I absolutely hate the spammers in local chat and never trade with them even if they're selling something I really want. Cheers to Anet for actually doing something about it.
I'm sure spamming is quite essential to get your items sold, but there's no need to spam it every second. Write your message, press enter, and then wait for a while. If someone's interested, it will take them a few seconds to type up a reply. People will notice it if they're looking for something even if you only type it every 30 seconds. Trade chat is also quite enough to get your items displayed. If you want to do some larger trading, then using Auction houses and forums like in Guru work quite well.
I know this is a poor alternative to an ingame trading house, but I have a feeling that even if such a trading house was implemented, people would still be too lazy to use it...
Firebaall
Nah, cupcake.
Trade is not a chat window. Unless you speak in bizarre pretense.
"WTS: cookies" does not mean "I don't like cookies, would somebody please take them from me?"
"WTB: One apple for cupcake that WTS a cookie"
The argument is in the comedy. And you sir, are the straight man. :P
Trade is not a chat window. Unless you speak in bizarre pretense.
"WTS: cookies" does not mean "I don't like cookies, would somebody please take them from me?"
"WTB: One apple for cupcake that WTS a cookie"
The argument is in the comedy. And you sir, are the straight man. :P
Etta
So spamming in All chat is count as abusive according to the ELUA, right? So how many spam does it take to count as breaking the rule? And how many wtb did the op spam? 50? 75? 100 in 1 min?
I hate wtb & wts spam in all chat as well but it would help if we know what is acceptable and what's not. Seeing that all chat spam has been with us for a really long time now.
I hate wtb & wts spam in all chat as well but it would help if we know what is acceptable and what's not. Seeing that all chat spam has been with us for a really long time now.
Faer
Just hopped around various outposts and districts spamming "WTS LIFE, PM OFFERS NO GIRLS ALLOWED!" on my mule account for several minutes... Didn't get a ban for it.
Then again, I was using the Trade Channel, so maybe...
Then again, I was using the Trade Channel, so maybe...
ryanryanryan0310
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Just hopped around various outposts and districts spamming "WTS LIFE, PM OFFERS NO GIRLS ALLOWED!" on my mule account for several minutes... Didn't get a ban for it.
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I think as long as you don't use the all chat, then it ain't wrong.
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
Nah, cupcake.
Trade is not a chat window. Unless you speak in bizarre pretense. "WTS: cookies" does not mean "I don't like cookies, would somebody please take them from me?" "WTB: One apple for cupcake that WTS a cookie" The argument is in the comedy. And you sir, are the straight man. :P |
Your statement that Trade is not a chat channel doesn't bring any arguments against what I quoted from the EULA. Means to "chat", i.e. communicate in all channels is referred to as chat. Otherwise the EULA would be ineffective as hell, because then u could spam vulgarities and insults in whisper or trade channel, as long as you dont misbehave in local channel. You get my point? Logical deduction implies that chat must refer to all, and not only local channel.
All chat means go with this line:
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Tempy
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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri
If you don't use the trade channel and the PARTY SEARCH BUTTON that HAS A SPECIFIC SECTION FOR TRADE and is AS CLOSE TO A "TRADE SYSTEM" AS WE WILL EVER GET (because Anet will never, ever, ever create an auction system, quit deluding yourselves), then I have absolutely zero sympathy for you.
I leave all-chat turned off because you absolutely cannot use it for its original purposes (discussion with non-guildie/alliance/team members for non-trade reasons) because of the trade spam. You're supposed to be able to avoid trade talk by turning off the trade channel, or go listen to it if you WTB/WTS something. So people getting banned for trade spam on allchat? Great! Good work, Anet! |
Mindtrust
Not sure what to say, kind of good that they do it.
But a nice little update notice would have been good since it's more or less accepted that you got 1 major wtb/wts city in each continent.
It would be kind of neat if they made a "trade city" that can be reached from all 3 campaigns. (yes we do have thoose places, but they are not meant for spaming trades) All you need there is a big market square and some npcs. Then people don't have to jump between continents and spam allover the place, since they are all located at one place.
But a nice little update notice would have been good since it's more or less accepted that you got 1 major wtb/wts city in each continent.
It would be kind of neat if they made a "trade city" that can be reached from all 3 campaigns. (yes we do have thoose places, but they are not meant for spaming trades) All you need there is a big market square and some npcs. Then people don't have to jump between continents and spam allover the place, since they are all located at one place.
kumarshah
Just introduce Auction Houses. All trading issues solved. lol
Etta
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Originally Posted by kumarshah
Just introduce Auction Houses. All trading issues solved. lol
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Unless anet took a zero tolerance action against those who spam wts/wtb in all chat, hilarity ensures.
Talon one
one thing every player could do is to stop buying things from all chat spammers 
the sad thing is that spamming works. ppl walk through town without actually wanting to buy something, but they catch a chatbubble out of the corner of their eye and see a rare weapon they always wanted. then they stop to turn on all chat and may decide to buy smething or not.
its a long shot but its the only way to reach the large part of the player population that hates to trade with other players.
the sad thing is that spamming works. ppl walk through town without actually wanting to buy something, but they catch a chatbubble out of the corner of their eye and see a rare weapon they always wanted. then they stop to turn on all chat and may decide to buy smething or not.
its a long shot but its the only way to reach the large part of the player population that hates to trade with other players.
Firebaall
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
This is the last time that i will respond to u unless u come with some arguments.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
Your statement that Trade is not a chat channel doesn't bring any arguments against what I quoted from the EULA
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Either you recognize that my point has validity in argument, or you are a hypocrite. The Trade channel is not a chat channel. As much as you assume it is, it is not. It is a post for sale and not conversation. Now by looking at a debate or argument, you are not showing yourself to be a credible source of lucid discussion as illustrated by the above quotes.
Show me (without your skewed interpretation) where and how the trade channel is inclusive of "chat". Until you can prove your position and disprove mine....with fact, you cannot dismiss my statements.
Naturally, everybody likes cookies, apples and bubblegum machines. Unless they are diabetic...or cats.
Hyper.nl
If you were using local chat as trade chat: I'm glas that ANet finally does something about it. Just use trade chat only for trade.
If you were using trade chat: Well, then I dunno. Than a tempban is not fair imo. I'm doing the same, and the search button is NOT a good alternative for spamming, since you can only add a little information and your entry is lost when you change district / town.
If you were using trade chat: Well, then I dunno. Than a tempban is not fair imo. I'm doing the same, and the search button is NOT a good alternative for spamming, since you can only add a little information and your entry is lost when you change district / town.
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Firebaall
Show me (without your skewed interpretation) where and how the trade channel is inclusive of "chat". Until you can prove your position and disprove mine....with fact, you cannot dismiss my statements.
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Here, I'll answer with some questions to consider: Is it possible to "chat" in the Trade channel? Do you suppose it would be okay to spew profanity, racial slurs, and any other kind of offensive banter in the Trade channel? Do you think Anet would suppose it was okay?
Also, why do you think the Local channel is called "Local" and not "Chat"?
<--see my avatar for my current facial expression
Alderin
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Do you suppose it would be okay to spew profanity, racial slurs, and any other kind of offensive banter in the Trade channel? Do you think Anet would suppose it was okay?
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Even in public chat people spew profanity, racial slurs, and other kinds of offensive banter to no end without any consenquences for it. I've sent in numours reports with screen shots along with the location, district, and time it occured only to see the same people on every day doing the same thing over and over. I know several people who used to continually report such persons on a daily basis but since nothing was ever done they and myself have quit. Funny how they let such people run rampant yet ban someone for posting a few sales in local chat.
It could be called "Local " to show that it is just for that town and that district?
arcanemacabre
Alderin, I realize that, that's not my point, nor the point I was addressing - but you are pretty much right. My point is, the different channels are different "Chat" channels: Local "Chat", Trade "Chat", Alliance "Chat", etc. This is because they all use the same "Chat" system, the same "Chat" window (or box), and saying "Hello all!" can be said in every one of the channels the same way - same chat.
One could look at it this way, Local Chat is for people chatting about (and in) the local area, whereas Trade Chat is people chatting about trade (not necessarily nothing but trading, but chatting about it. Other things commonly seen in Trade Chat would be Price Checks, Giveaways, tips on buying/selling, etc.
One could look at it this way, Local Chat is for people chatting about (and in) the local area, whereas Trade Chat is people chatting about trade (not necessarily nothing but trading, but chatting about it. Other things commonly seen in Trade Chat would be Price Checks, Giveaways, tips on buying/selling, etc.