Mesmer and SR changes June 7th update. - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

07 Jun 2007 at 23:17 - 1

Hmm the description of Soul reaping has changed I think..

For Each point in SR, you gain 1 energy whenever a creature near you dies. You may only gain energy in this way 3 times every 15 seconds, You only gain energy from Spirits you control..

Be interesting to see how it plays out. For example if 3 things die within 5 seconds, you'll have 10 seconds to go before getting any more.

Seem to help SS Necs in PvE maybe

And hot news Some mesmer interupts now affect Shouts and chants. Power block is now super evil. Power leak, return and spike all seem to do the same thing.
FC now also affects signets.

Still Going thru the list tho..

Thats Us fixed in PvE then.

Edit by Wrath
Update - Thursday June 7
Bug Fixes

* Fixed a bug that prevented players from entering a Challenge Mission in Hard Mode.
* Removed inaccurate changes to several skill and attribute descriptions.

Miscellaneous

* To prevent exploitation of the Nightfall starter quests "Take the Shortcut", "Rally the Recruits", and "Never Fight Alone", the gold rewards for those quests were reduced to 25, and the reward for the starter quest "Honing your Skills" was increased to 250 gold to compensate.

Update - Thursday June 7
Bug Fixes

* Fixed a bug in Fort Aspenwood that allowed the Warriors to be lured away from their destination.

Miscellaneous

* Made additional preparations for the Alliance Battle weekend event.
* Removed an incorrect +5 Energy Bonus that was added to General Morgahn's Primeval Leggings.

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

07 Jun 2007 at 23:21 - 2

Mesmers can now FC signets. Epic.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

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So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:22 - 3

Where's everyone seeing this?

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

07 Jun 2007 at 23:25 - 4

through in-game observations, I assume

3 times every 15 seconds? thats even worse! if it triggers 3 times while you're at full energy just before you unleash all your spells, you're out of luck for a while!

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Jun 2007 at 23:26 - 5

Oh snap at Shout interruptions...

And the SR change looks very, very interesting.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

07 Jun 2007 at 23:27 - 6

which of course would mean some stealth updates, since notes only say this:

Update - Thursday June 7
Bug Fixes

* Fixed a bug in Fort Aspenwood that allowed the Warriors to be lured away from their destination.

Miscellaneous

* Made additional preparations for the Alliance Battle weekend event.
* Removed an incorrect +5 Energy Bonus that was added to General Morgahn's Primeval Leggings.

wingzro

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada

07 Jun 2007 at 23:29 - 7

These are undocumented changes for those wondering.

jammerpa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Sunny FLA

Omega Knights

N/Me

07 Jun 2007 at 23:29 - 8

LOL @ Anet... it took them 2 months + to come up with this garbage for soul reaping? Lets see... if gaining nrg 1 time every 5 seconds wasnt good, lets try it 3 times every 15 seconds.. HAHAHAH.

It's rocket scientry I tell u... absolute rocket scientry! What will NASA do now that Anet has hired all their great minds to come up with a fix for soul reaping. LMFAO!

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:31 - 9

Thank god we can interrupt instant cast shouts.

Mourne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

North Carolina, US

The Arctic Marauders [TAM]

W/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:35 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puebert

Thank god we can interrupt instant cast shouts.

Thank god I wasn't the only one thinking this lol.

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

07 Jun 2007 at 23:36 - 11

Something else new. You cant go into HM in challenge missions, which makes Vanquishing Arborstone interesting(I.e you cant unless you use the corpse explot). Has to be a bug

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

N/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:38 - 12

It says it interupts spells and chants. It says nothing about shouts.

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

07 Jun 2007 at 23:38 - 13

I really love the mesmer interupt changes

Puebert

Desert Nomad

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Mo/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:39 - 14

@Shanaeri

I think it's there to prevent places like FA from being bugged.

I expect it to be fixed soon.

dopple

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

07 Jun 2007 at 23:39 - 15

I have seen some interupts now affect chants as well, but nowhere have I seen interupts for shouts (but I have not checked all skills). Shouts are pretty much instantaneous anyway.

wingzro

Academy Page

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Canada

07 Jun 2007 at 23:42 - 16

Shouts are instantaneous, you can even do a shout when knocked down.

Apok Omen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Commence Aggro [BaMf]

Mo/E

07 Jun 2007 at 23:44 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anet's Stealth "Nerf"

For Each point in SR, you gain 1 energy whenever a creature near you dies. You may only gain energy in this way 3 times every 15 seconds, You only gain energy from Spirits you control.

On behalf of the PvE'ers and PvP'ers, YOU'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT!

Requesting funny pic of something doing something wrong.

Okay, rant over. It's "okay", but take out the "every 15 seconds" thing. No one asked for the 5 second thing, and will never really agree to that. Also, seeing as how Necros do not have any Spirits to summon from their line, it's a little bit too obviously pointed to PvP. I realize there are N/Rt's running around, but if you want to hit PvP, check out Ensign's Wishlist.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Jun 2007 at 23:45 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puebert

@Shanaeri

I think it's there to prevent places like FA from being bugged.

I expect it to be fixed soon.

That's the most reasonal explanation, unless they don't want people farming points/etc in Hard Mode. In which case, lame.

Glad it fixed FA though, 26 Turtles was no fun.

icymanipulator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

07 Jun 2007 at 23:45 - 19

Before anyone flips out, Soul Reaping is still on a 5 second timer. I just went to test this in Tasca's Demise with an FoC spike build. Its still on its crap nerf functionality.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

07 Jun 2007 at 23:46 - 20

It's not bye paragons, as realistically you cannot interrupt shouts with 0 cast time. Chants were just icing.

BTW, I'm not understanding the SR change.

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

07 Jun 2007 at 23:47 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by countesscorpula

It says it interupts spells and chants. It says nothing about shouts.

Shouts are instant cast,how can you interupt them?

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Jun 2007 at 23:47 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by icymanipulator

Before anyone flips out, Soul Reaping is still on a 5 second timer. I just went to test this in Tasca's Demise with an FoC spike build. Its still on its crap nerf functionality.

Lol, then they made a critical miss. Ouchies.

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

07 Jun 2007 at 23:47 - 23

Seems only the descriptions have changed. The chant interupts dont work How odd...

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

07 Jun 2007 at 23:49 - 24

They probably only changed the description, and haven't actually put them in the game. *sigh*

Apok Omen

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Commence Aggro [BaMf]

Mo/E

07 Jun 2007 at 23:50 - 25

Yeah, why would they change the descriptions but not the functions...

Mods, go ahead and delete my earlier post, I was too stupid to react so fast.

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

07 Jun 2007 at 23:51 - 26

Meh @ the mesmer changes. 90% of monster chants in PvE aren't worth interrupting in the first place. But for PvP, bringing the Power series against P-heavy teams just got somewhat interesting.

[edit] FC also reduces signet activation times by 3% per rank.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

07 Jun 2007 at 23:52 - 27

Maybe they didn't mean to implement these other changes yet, and is why they're not in the patch notes? In which case, whoopsies!

Bad Repurcussions: People are gonna be shouting "DON'T CHANGE SR" and are gonna get even more pissed when it's finally changed.

Things are gonna get bloody...

RSGashapon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Sol 3

R/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:53 - 28

Energy every 5 seconds is NOT acceptable.
Energy 3 times every 15 seconds is NOT acceptable.
Energy from creatures dying, with no time restriction, but none from spirits and half from your own minions IS acceptable.

Make SR work the way it should work, not the way that PvP'ers want it to work. Are they purposely trying to kill Necromancers?

Nice little nerf for the challenge missions too, there goes the LB/SS farm run out of Sahlahja. That was something I really enjoyed doing. Thank you Anet!

I swear this game gets worse every week.

Edit: OK, seems the challenge mission thing is a bug or whatever, HM will be re-added to those locations. But I am still not pleased with SR...

MrTickle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

delete this account

N/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:55 - 29

About the SR change. At the moment I get 12e every 5 seconds that's 36e within 15 seconds.

After this change I still get a total of 36e within the 15 seconds but then what? I have to wait a further 15 seconds for more e gain...

wtf leave it as it is please! I'd rather keep the current gimp to SR than this alternative.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

07 Jun 2007 at 23:55 - 30

so........what was gaile saying about stealth updates? that they only don't bother updating notes for very minor things like spelling corrections or minor map adjustments?

Celestial_Kitsune

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Me/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:56 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apok Omen

Yeah, why would they change the descriptions but not the functions...

Anet leaked it on purpose to assess our reaction :P

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

07 Jun 2007 at 23:57 - 32

This is probably an info leak, I cant believe AN seriously thinks the mesmer changes as listed here are going to improve mesmers in Pve.

In anycase, an interesting insight in what may be coming either in part or in, in entirety

zara

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

everywhere and no where

Mo/

07 Jun 2007 at 23:59 - 33

So if those are the changes, then epic fail for anet

Miral

Jungle Guide

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Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

08 Jun 2007 at 00:01 - 34

Me/P support should be interesting in any case, with fast casting on cautery signet, signet of purification, and signet or return...

or think of rez signet with fast casting... should prove interesting for PvP mesmers, anyway

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

08 Jun 2007 at 00:02 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSGashapon

Energy every 5 seconds is NOT acceptable.
Energy 3 times every 15 seconds is NOT acceptable.
Energy from creatures dying, with no time restriction, but none from spirits and half from your own minions IS acceptable.

Make SR work the way it should work, not the way that PvP'ers want it to work. Are they purposely trying to kill Necromancers?

Nice little nerf for the challenge missions too, there goes the LB/SS farm run out of Sahlahja. That was something I really enjoyed doing. Thank you Anet!

I swear this game gets worse every week.

Edit: OK, seems the challenge mission thing is a bug or whatever, HM will be re-added to those locations. But I am still not pleased with SR...

I don't think the pvpers want it the way its worded atm.Alot of them on this forum have even said they don't like it how it is and have even suggested it should be changed to way you want it.

shru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

08 Jun 2007 at 00:04 - 36

These updates are not even in the game, so they aren't the changes YET. I'm sure these will be included in the upcoming update, but I doubt these were meant to be released like this.
EDIT: It seems Fc was updated to include signets, so I'm no sure anymore

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

08 Jun 2007 at 00:05 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by zara

So if those are the changes, then epic fail for anet

Thats 1/2 the changes. Here is the rest:

Quote:

Added a new PvE only skill for Mesmers.

Mind Bottling: For 1...15 seconds target foe is hexed with Mind Bottling. As long as target foe standing still, that foe cannot move.

This skill's progression will increase with each Sunspear rank you have attained.

RSGashapon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Sol 3

R/

08 Jun 2007 at 00:05 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acehigh

I don't think the pvpers want it the way its worded atm.Alot of them on this forum have even said they don't like it how it is and have even suggested it should be changed to way you want it.

Then I retract my stab at PvP'ers.

Who, among the player base, asked for SR to be changed in the first place?

icymanipulator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

08 Jun 2007 at 00:11 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSGashapon

Then I retract my stab at PvP'ers.

Who, among the player base, asked for SR to be changed in the first place?

I know its tough to wade through the other thread so I will tell you. It was NOT PvE. You will have people who play PvE that will swear up and down it was but lets make it clear that it was not the PvE side. Allegedly ANET thought the scope of SR was broken across the board in spite of 2+ years of identical functionality. Logic would tell me that it was the PvP side complaining about the spirit spammers, but ANET has said it was not due to them.

Basically if you take that to be true, it was ANET who complained and neither side of the game.

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

08 Jun 2007 at 00:11 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSGashapon

Then I retract my stab at PvP'ers.

Who, among the player base, asked for SR to be changed in the first place?

the people who see one thing that seems slightly overpowered and immediately demand a nerf before looking into it.
PvPers, but not all PvPers.