Petition To Change Favour System Back

My 2 Cents:

The Favor system *did* need changing, however I don't think the change they've rolled in is much better.

Titles ARE a grind, and it takes people a lot of time to make minimal difference, but this isn't the real problem.

The REAL problem is that it's not sustainable. For instance, I'm a total title addict, and I grind along grabbing titles as much as I can.

However, do I want to legendary vanquisher/guardian/survivor across all my characters? Hell no, once is enough thank you.

Many other players will do the same, they'll grind a lot of titles on just one character and seriously not bother with the rest.

Eventually people run out of titles and then simply stop going for them.

Old System:
pros:
* Sustainable, theres an infinite amount of times people can play/win HoH.

cons:
* Generally biases towards the majority PvP players.

New System:
pros:
* Brings everyone onto the same level

cons:
* Isn't sustainable, eventually titles will dry up.

So really I'm not a big fan of either system.

So the question is: How does ANet intend to address this?

/signed

for what are we figthing for then...fame ??? lol
they can just remove who won in HoH...only that left

I never really understood the old system. Why did a pvp area control a pve location? Also, with the old system the lesser servers rarely got a chance to play UW, and FoW until scrolls were introduced, but the new favor system gives them a much more stable way to enter those locations without having to pay much more than required. I do see some issues with the current system, though. What will happen once Guild Wars 2 comes out? The majority of the Guild Wars community will move to that, and I believe titles will rarely be achieved at a rate the will keep favor for long. I think changes still need to be made to the favor system, but I don't want them to turn it back to what it once was.

Aside from the name the point is I don't care about seeing that someone has maxed a title.

Haven't been to UW or Fow in months to clear it out. but there is always passage scrolls if groups want to go down there any time for hours at a time. No sense wasting Passage scrolls for the good for nothing Ecto farmers anyway... So for me, it just does not matter either way. Heck remove favor entirely for all I care. And make it only possible if you get a scroll... That will really screw the ecto farmers. lol I'm laughing inside more then many. Cause I just do not care... Hell put a bullet in my head, I still dont care. Point is, its a bonus; and as such if you get to go great, if you don't, no biggy...

Eventually they will run out of people farming titles. Possibly sooner then GW2 release. when that happens Anet will not have a choice but to change it again. but for now it seems like someone has favor at all time... It was just the first 2 days really that was dead for a few hours at a time. Where no one had favor... But even still like I said before, even if no one has favor for a month solid, there is still passage scrolls to get in if you want too.. so I just don't see the big deal everyone is worrying about... Except that all the sudden the little farm bots can not farm ecto anymore easily or cheaply. Whoopty doo and la dee da. Seems to me the people that were non stop farming that since almost day one, have been exploiting the farming of those for too long and its about time a major barrier was popped in front of them to stop their insane nonsense of drudge and boredom in repetition.

/notsigned

The ENTIRE WORLD gets favor every time favor is granted. There is now no benefit to being in any certain region with regard to favor. This change is definitely a step in the right direction. It takes control of PVE zones AWAY from PVP'ers, and it provides access to UW/FOW for mixed region parties in the international districts, which was previously not possible.

JD

not signing. I have to go to work at 5 in the morning, and since I live in America, that would mean I would have to do one of two things: 1) deprive myself of sleep and do a below par job at work, or 2) Spend way more money then I need to so I can buy a scroll while the Europeans go back and forth in and out all day in UW. This way is great at the time. I actually can get into UW on days other then Saturday now. There will come a time when Anet needs to make a new system and by then, hopefully all of us that don't think it's fair to pay 3-4k for a scroll will all be tired of UW and FoW.

lol aight then.

Yeah. Why else are people there?

Life has more than two answers for every question. How about removing favor? The only reason people aren't up in arms about this system is because there's perma-favor. This system is as arbitrary as the last system and supporting this supports the title-grind system. Anet is developing GW2 and testing ideas with GW. I'd like to actually play GW2 but not if it's a WoW emulator.

/not signed

much prefer the new system!

helps players who are not PvP nuts do the elite parts of PvE without having to rely on their HA teams to win in HoH to access the elite areas!

the scrolls help if you don't have favor but when im on people seem to be maxing titles every few mins so its not hard to gain favor to access "leet" areas!

/signed
I agree in the fact that PvErs should control the PvE zones, but this is just stupid. Not everyone wants to max titles, and even fewer people want to max more than 5 titles. I have seen something like 3 chars with I'm very important in game...
And I don't think new players will be fond of titles either.
Let's look at those that make you get the favor :
-Survivor... Yeah, sure, a totally new player at the game who can't get good non-survivors builds will max this easily !
-Defender of Ascalon, you do that when you want a new challenge in the game, not when you discover it.
-Legendary Cartographer, why not... It's not that hard, especially with the mods that change the color of the fog.
-Legendary Skill Hunter needs you to buy all the chapters and to have a large amount of money.
-Legendary Vanquisher also requires to have all the chapters.
-Sunspear is an easy title, but you can't do it with only Prophecies and/or Factions.
-Lightbringer needs lots of farm. When you start GW, you have other things to do, most will only get Adept or maybe Brave Lightbringer for the Signet.
-Kurzick and Luxon... Just lol. Even with FFF this title is just hard, long grinding.
-Lucky, Unlucky, Gamer, Drunkard, Treasure Hunter, Wisdom and Sweet Tooth need so much money that it's useless to even think about maxing them for a newbie. According to Guild Wiki, you need 6000K for the Treasure Hunter... I'm playing till the beggining without farming and traded something like 10 items. I actually have 100K in my storage, 160K was my max, and if I count everything I bought, I probably gained 250K...
-Hero, Gladiator, Champion and Commander are PvP titles which isn't really logical, plus it's almost impossible to reach them.
While I'm happy that now everyone can have the favor, the title system is just stupid.

I love how, despite the new changes, Europe is still getting all the favor. We got something like 160 minutes of favor right now. Lol.

Oki now that I have seen it in action ....
Strangely it works!
Loving the fact that the whole world gets favour.
AND it actually is up most of the time.

Does that mean I like it?
Nah.
I would still prefer something else - like gaining protector of a certain continent and you gain access to FoW/UW for that continent's entry point. That way everyone MUST earn the favour themselves! Plus - once you get it - NOBODY can take it away from you. Because now we still NEED to rely on others to obtain favour and that is still as crappy as with the whole HoH-system!

YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE IN HOH FIGHT FOR FAVOR.
CMON NOW. I cant imagine someone fight in hoh for favort. Im sure the lsat thing they care is favor.

Kinda like the last thing you cared about was spelling?


I've known some PvEr's who also HA for favor.

that must be some kind of a joke as you couldnt have been stupid enough to miss that favor is worldwide not regional.

we have 160 minutes in the US as well

And I know some people who'd love to have it - mainly Taiwan, Japan and Korea.

Fact of the matter is, while this system is still a little goofy, while quite a few people could give less of a shit about who gets a title, it's still *greatly* improved to what it was before.

It's worldwide? I'll be damned...

It sucks. I mean where's the competitiveness in this? You don't fight for favor, you grind for it. That's stupid. And now the Gods gaze, instead of on a certain piece of land, on they entire world? That's stupid!

Change it back!!

/signed damnit, /signed!!

I am sure that I am not the only one that sees no reason to display that title.

That's what I'm talking about. Essentially something like DoA acceess.

You say it's stupid now? I thought it was [email protected] ridiculous to see the Gods favor Europe, America and Korea when they don't even exist in the game

/sign

like last system better

i'm on the europeen server, but i feel sorry for other players who do not have the favor most of the time, that way it is based on personal achievement:

/not signed

note PvP is not a grind, (well it tries not be) the reason why people go to halls is because they like winning k?

For someone to complain about this was as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. Surprise, surprise that someone Anet changed (for the better) is getting complained about within a few days.

You want the favor system returned back to being PvP orientated?

Back to a sytem that everyone had been complaining about since the start the game virtually?

The older system was completely unfair because it meant America never had a chance of winning favor due to the lack of American players compared to every other district in PvP.

The older system also meant that only one region could have favor at one time, which was also unfair to regions with less players.

The system now may not be perfect, but its alot more fair on all players throughout all regions. And its controlled by PvE actions and NOT PvP which is the main improvement.

Favor is now won by the actions of players in PvE and their achievements in PvE and thats how it should be.

The new system has also only existed for a few days, so give it a chance to settle down. People need to learn to push themselves to max titles now, instead of relying on PvP to achieve the favor. People need to learn to get off their asses and actually achieve the favor themselves instead of waiting for PvP players to do it for them.

If you want to keep favor and get access to FOW and UW, then push and incourage other players to max some titles.

The new system is cool, because when I maxed two titles last night I had about 3 people randomly wisp me congratulating me for doing it.

Plus I dont see how it doesnt work...

...you see about 3 or 4 people max titles every 10 minutes, so achieving the required number isnt going to be hard to gain favor.

You people are never happy with anything changing or improving. Atleast give it a few weeks before you start criticising things. Take the party search for example. That didnt work at all for months and then they forced you're text to be added and now it works almost perfectly.

Give things a chance before you start complaining.

Before: 11:04 Pm. "America has taken the favor away from Europe!"
After: 6:30 Am - 3 Am: 1-- Minutes of favor remaining.

Before: Every single day of every single week. "Taiwan does not have favor of the gods."
After: 10:00 Am - 9:30 Pm "5-,7-, Minutes of favor remaining."

Europe (being the favor hog it is) has to accept the fact that favor is now distributed evenly. AND Uw/FoW are in the Pve catagory, which means people that play pve more have a chance to earn their country favor. There is no need for a petition because you obviously hate Taiwan or the lesser countries.

/threw the petition away

Actually it's pretty amusing to see things like this from Americans who didn't stop saying that Europeans were noobs because they never had the favor. Then Europeans took it and Americans whined to have the favor back.

I'm European myself and I agree, it's a good thing that everyone has the favor, and that PvErs get it now. (because really the PvP titles are a pain to get)
The stupid thing is that now it's about Titles. What, is Balthazar the god of sweeties and Grenth the god of "Hooray I spent all my money in stupid games !" ?
A DoA system would be much better (without the difficulty), plus let's see what you get when you finish the games : (apart from hard mode)
-Factions : everyone thanking you, a free weapon and new armors. (3 or 1 depending of your class)
-Nightfall : everyone thanking you, a free weapon, a new armor and the ability to go in the hardest but most lucrative area in the game.
-Prophecies : new quests that nobody does anymore and you can't hench ! Hooray !

Really when you already finished Prophecies you just need to get to Droknar, maybe infuse your armor.

Definately /not signed.

I failed at being sarcastic and this is now the second time in this thread that I have to say that.

I couldnt Careless about the favor system back then, i couldnt careless now. Theres scrolls and such like now to get down there you dont really need favor.

Although im not to bothered with favor the simplest way would be for Anet to simply remove it and give everyone access to Uw and Fow.

Seconded.
We would just need to finish the Ascend, plus it's much more logical, rp-wise : what is the Ascend, basically ? Having the gods looking at you.

I know that Nahpui and Nf's quests aren't really like that, but at least it's less pathetic than a god rewarding some guy that didn't stopped dying (LdoA) or being drunk so long he would die of ethyl coma -_-

/notsigned

The only thing I could think of changing is eliminating certain max titles as gaining favor. Sweet Tooth? the AFK-on-Festival-Weekend........err.......Lucky Title? If they did that, that might bring down the 24/7 favor we have now.

As said ad-infinitum in this thread, FoW/UW is PVE. It is now attached to PVE. Until they can come up with a better way to connect it to pve, this is the best option. Besides, at least there are different names than Getting High With (KOSS), and In Russia Alter Caps (YOU), on the screen for favor!

I am bothered by the favor concept. It was a really awkward way of trying to tie pvp and pve together which obviously failed totally. Just dump it anet. Let us pay our 1000 gold or use our scrolls--that should be enough.

/notsigned

This also gives the option for groups from multiple territories to gather in the International districts and explore together - something that was *never* possible previously.

I admit I was worried about the need for 20 players to max a title - until I watched over the weekend and found that Favour was active more often than not.

Particularly since I'm now in the position that my connection to the European servers has just broken (bad packet loss along the route) and it looks like my only solution will be to move to the US servers (ISP says contact GW, ArenaNet says change Territory) - being able to meet up with Guild Members in the International districts for elite access is *very* nice (I wouldn't even consider the change in Territory without these changes).

I think having universal access when Favour is active is brilliant.

/notsigned....

yeah honestly....this is what they should do....I mean...I've been vanquishing Tyria almost constantly for the past 2 days...and the lowest the time remaining on favor got when I did the /favor command was 34 minutes....right now it sits at 328 minutes. Having favor is the standard now...might as well get rid of it. It was a way to tie pve and pvp together which people hated...there's really no reason to keep it now.

Get rid of it or make it tied to individual achievements...meaning you have to earn your own favor with the gods. I would be happy with either of those.

and then the casual gamers who only have an hour or 2 a day to spare have no chance of grinding achievement then rushing to fow to use their time....lol......just remove favor...it is already permanantly up with number of achievements.

People that only have two hours to play have no business
in fissure anyway. But if they want to go anyway they can
use scrolls to get there at will just like everyone else that
wants to go without favor.

/not signed

I am a casual player who exclusively does PvE. For me, this system makes more sense than the old one did because at least it is PvE players affecting the PvE world.

I occasionally go Underworld or to Fissure of Woe, not for the drops, but for fun. I actually enjoy doing the quests, seeing the very different scenery, capping myself an underworld spider etc. The new system, at least for now, allows those of us who are casual players to not have to have someone paying close attention to the messages about favor in hopes that we can grab it long enough for everyone to finish what they were doing to get a group together and go UW or FoW. It actually allows us to schedule a guild outing to go in, do some quests, and maybe get a decent drop or two. We do keep a scroll for backup just in case we need one, but the new system means that the prime playing time is most likely to have favor as that will be when people are maxing titles.

I am maxing a few titles for various reasons. I am maxing Sunspear and Lightbringer on some characters because I like the Sunspear skills, and the Lightbringer damage increase/reduction is really helpful for my melee characters. I am actually going to get at least level 1 Kurzick so I can get some of the Kurzick skills that look useful. If they prove useful enough, I will max it.

As to the others? Well, I have Protector of Tyria on one character, and my sister would like to get all three protector titles for hers so I am working on helping her with that. We both enjoy vanquishing, so will most likely eventually end up with those titles. Not because they are something to strive for, but because we enjoy the challenge.

For us, the almost constant access to those elite areas is a nice bonus which will allow us to enjoy those areas more. Eventually, we would like to do every quest in both FoW and UW, or at least to try. The new system gives us that chance.

I may have gotten off topic a bit, but I hope that those of you complaining about the change can see why some of us very casual players like the system. It makes our lives a tad easier, and allows us to enjoy the game a bit more.

Was that truly necessary? I can recall epic European whining about the Favor system when they rarely had it. It goes both ways.


The Favor system now is fine. Everyone works together to get it and keep it. A PvE Reward for PvE Accomplishments. Honestly, most people in HA didn't give a damn about Favor anyway, and last I checked, they are still playing it.