Petition To Change Favour System Back

Raganark

Raganark

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Hawaii

POG

W/Me

/not signed I don't FOW/UW much but i never HA so now at least i can help out with my titles to get us favor

ScorpDeception63

ScorpDeception63

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kentucky

Shaemoor University [UoS] (Leader)

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raganark
/not signed I don't FOW/UW much but i never HA so now at least i can help out with my titles to get us favor
If you don't Fow/UW much and never HA, why are you even worried about this? The only reason you signed is because you'll add 3 minutes for a titles that can take days, even weeks to get? Yes, you will help some, but it will be so minimal and spread out if you even plan on farming a lot of them, that it will barely change anything. Once everybody stops grinding titles and get's back in school, I fear this system may get worse.

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

Yeah, this is just as F'ed up as the old system. The only difference is that now it's based on things done by people who completely fail to give a crap about FoW and UW access. at least before there was some unconscious territorial pride.

remove favor requirements alltogether or make it something characters have to unlock individually (one-time thing).

Wait until the pre-GW:EN title-fest is over and look at how often anyone gets favor.

Crowell The Fallen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Australia

Know Your Enemy [PMS]

Mo/

in the beginning i assumed this would be bad, however despite my disbelief that 20 people a day could max a title, everytime ive logged in we have had favor. I'm happily supprised. I think the new system might actually work.

Raganark

Raganark

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

Hawaii

POG

W/Me

most of the time before when i could gather up the guildies to hit it we didn't have favor thats why i don't fow/uw much now from my observations we have favor most of the time i play so thats good for me
also i believe anet will adjust favor as the game moves on if players are not going for titles anymore

aubee

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

/notsigned

All I know is that before, America hardly ever had favor when I was online and now we've had favor. It's not the ideal system to be sure, but it's better than being locked out 90+% of the time.

Seems to me like ANet would go to a system where favor rotated between the game continents somehow maybe influenced by PvE play. That might encourage people who haven't bought all three chapters to buy the other chapters to increase their access.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltar
Yeah, this is just as F'ed up as the old system. The only difference is that now it's based on things done by people who completely fail to give a crap about FoW and UW access.
That's pretty much how it used to be. Currently, I'd say that there's probably as many title hunters who care about getting favor as there were HA teams caring about getting favor. Very small number.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destro Maniak
I dont play the game no longer cause anti farm perpective of anet and all nerf made me bored of the game.
So you say this way its more time with favor?
How many player play guild wars.
I more then 2 million I guess and less then 3million. Thats prety good if everyone is tracking titles. But they arent. How many of them playing ht game long enought to get max titles. %95 of the communite cant have enought time and patience to max titles. So you say every hour 20 people max titles. I would be amazed. Ad I dont wait at game any longer I dont know ho logn it takes some people to ax titles.
BUT IT SHOULD BE EVERY 5 MINUTES CAUSE IF TAKES LONGER OLD WAY WAS LONGER TIME SPEND WITH FAVOR WHEN I PLAYED(I mean prime playing times for european time zone. mornin 10 night 1 I dont remember cant getting in uw)
What?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScorpDeception63
You know what's funny? The past two days when I've logged on at 6 am EST, we've either not had favor or <5 left. Not only that, it takes a long time for people to get 20 maxed titles after we lose it in the morning. And on weekdays, especially once school is back in session for most people, I'd say this will only get worse.
Fair trade off for universal favor, and there's nothing saying that this can't be tweaked.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

/Not signed

Quote:
This new system actually makes sense, unlike how PvP governs elite PvE zones. Which didn't make sense.
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Whisper Evenstar

Whisper Evenstar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

NYC

Governors Of Destruction [GOD]

E/

/notsigned.... we have almost permanent favor.. If you don't like that, you are crazy...

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

A better question would be to ask, "why the hell do we have favor if FoW/UW/statues are open world round nearly 24-7?"

Stoneys Rock

Stoneys Rock

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Wales, United Kingdom

Great Success [GS]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chunk
OK this is absolutely classic!

The OP is obviously European because he used the word rubbish.

Europe has dominated favor for what? 2 years now!

lol! now, they're crying because favor is based on PVE and not PVP.

I say that all whining Europeans should buy scrolls and deal with it.

GG Anet, although you shouldn't have made favor pvp based in the first place.

I will forgive you for making the Europeans cry.
:/ other than the minority who farm or bot there or both lol no one really cares so umm wow...trolling ftl I guess and I'm from euro districts so go figure..

/notsigned
my only quibble with this is that I have to see pointless HoH matches and joey joey mcjoeysons name when he gets a title. :x Also that there's going to be a time where no one can or is maxing out titles so there will be a time when they have to change the system even if its a long time away or just make passages scrolls drop more. :P

in my opinion it should go
1/2 for every unshown title (maybe excluding sunspear ranks 1 - 3) 1 for every showable title and 2 for every max title. With messages only appearing for max of course. That being said the points needed should most likely need to be increased.

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowell The Fallen
in the beginning i assumed this would be bad, however despite my disbelief that 20 people a day could max a title, everytime ive logged in we have had favor. I'm happily supprised. I think the new system might actually work.
Ive been seeing use NOT have favor alot lately. And the favor system just started. So what happens in a week when all the gung-ho people stop maxing out there titles or dont have any to max out cause they griding all weekend to get there 3 minutes of favor?

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisper Evenstar
/notsigned.... we have almost permanent favor.. If you don't like that, you are crazy...
I think its the other way around.
Who goes to FoW/UW 24/7 anyways?
I dont want perma-favor cause I dont want Ecto prices to get fubar'ed even more

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Also, this stacks. If twenty more titles are earned, then another hour is added to whatever remaining time there is.
edit: NM misread your post

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by brian78wa
I think youre confused. you only get an hour for the first 20 titles after that its 3 minutes.
He's not, you are. It takes 20 max titles in one hour to get favour, then every max title gives an extra 3 minutes. 3x20 = 60. So 20 new max titles will also give an hour of favor.

Lothlorian Sassun

Lothlorian Sassun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Dragonestos

N/

/NOTSIGNED

The New System is Fair for everyone. Now people can play in there own territories and not just play on the server that has favor most of the time. I have been in HA quite a bit and I have NEVER heard anyone chat about getting a group so they can get to the underworld. The hard Core HA people play HA cause they enjoy the PvP. They could care less about the FoW or UW. Now access to the Realm of the Gods is tied to PvE for the PvE area. The People that care about PvE now have control on access which is nice. Cause the PvP People could care less about going to the UW or FoW. Probably going to see a lot more people getting drunk in ToA now! heheh LoL

Croco Clouds

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

No need to switch from NA to euro territory = nice

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
He's not, you are. It takes 20 max titles in one hour to get favour, then every max title gives an extra 3 minutes. 3x20 = 60. So 20 new max titles will also give an hour of favor.
Im not confused in the least I know exactly how the system works I just misread it.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

/Signed.

When the game started Asia and America had favor for almost half a year. All the time Europe was asking, begging, pleeing for a differend system. Anet did not listen. Now the Asian and American guilds lost interest in keeping favor and as a result Europe had it most of the time. And now Anet suddenly listens to the complaints of American and Asian players and changes the system that could not be changed when Europe begged for it?? Thats hypocrite! What comes up will go down. Now let it go down for America and Asia, they had their wins and gains when farming the underworld still was profitable. Even a 5 year favor of Europe can't equalize the loss of the first half year...

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandora's box
When the game started Asia and America had favor for almost half a year. All the time Europe was asking, begging, pleeing for a differend system.
Those were the days. I actually considered making a Euro account to sell all the Eternal crap for more. Too bad I'm too lazy to do that sort of thing.

At this point there's a lot of people grinding titles because of the HoM in GW:EN. There are only so many characters and so many titles (especially since the HoM appears to work account-wide per screenshots of the 15k armor display. Do we want Anet's continued support of GW(1) to be the perpetual creation of titles? Isn't there more than just a handful of us that see this title crap as a test bubble for gameplay in GW2? Even Blizzard doesn't require any sort of favor to access Molten Core or whatever crack they're peddling now.

This system is apparently adequate for a lot of people now since there's an appearance of eternal access to these missions atm. This system is really as abstract and foolish as the original system and should be replaced by post-ascension access or some wicked-hard quest.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandora's box
And now Anet suddenly listens to the complaints of American and Asian players and changes the system that could not be changed when Europe begged for it??
No? Maybe they're finally realizing that it's not right to have PvP govern PvE?

Also, you didn't really give any logical reasons - just that you're bitter.

Rhedd

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird?

True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler

I love the fact that the major "complaint" people have about the new system is nothing but a what-if prediction of a doom-filled future.

"What if" you just enjoy the near-constant favor NOW, and bitch your little hearts out when and IF that changes in the future?

Naah. That would be far too reasonable.


Oh, and a mere 224 minutes of favor left, as of this post. Doom!!

Richo

Richo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

(Europe server)

[DVDF]

Me/Mo

at this point /not signed
reason is that the favor is world wide and all regions now have continues acces to god realms and as such everyone is happy. in the near future or in half a year most titles will be done and favor maybe only a few hours a day, and at that point anet will need to think of something else but for now everything is Fine.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyosuke
/signed

Why?
The old system actually gave HoH a purpose. It made it more of an honor for the PVP players to do something good for the rest of the community/their region. Now it's almost meaningless eventhough you still get your name pasted up.

It's not our fault, Taiwan and Japan don't play the game that much. It's not our fault that other places don't have the player base to form guilds/succeed.

Stop with the damn liberal thinking of "no one left behind" and be more conservative with the simple fact that YOU have the ability to set your own destiny. The players are there in other countries, they just have to want it more. Don't let those of us willing to work at it be punished.
You have no clue what liberalism means.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

I've seen this a few times -> Favor gave HoH a purpose.

Well, if a PvE aspect of the game is giving PvP HoH a purpose, then GW's PvP HoH must really fail on its own for those people that claim that. I think it's time they find a new game, I hear Fury is good for PvP. ANet has spoken, PvE is here to stay.

Enix

Enix

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

I am in a transitional period.

GRE

/notsigned

UW farmers get into UW whether or not they have favor. The old favor system was broken. The new favor system is BETTER, but still not quite right. What would be better? I don't know. Maybe have permanent Avitars ask for offerings of 1,000 gold to raise continet's reputation with gods, which declines over time, and have points from completing regular and high-end missions (Deep, Urgoz, Tombs, DoA quests). That way missions might become more popular.

GodofAcid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Massachusetts, USA

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberNigma
I've seen this a few times -> Favor gave HoH a purpose.

Well, if a PvE aspect of the game is giving PvP HoH a purpose, then GW's PvP HoH must really fail on its own for those people that claim that. I think it's time they find a new game, I hear Fury is good for PvP. ANet has spoken, PvE is here to stay.
Very nice. Was thinking this myself. I don't think too many people are trying to get to HoH because they want favor. Nor should they be acting like they're doing it as a favor for the "lowly PvE players". People do PvP for fame, or because they enjoy PvPing, but the fact is that it has nothing to do with PvE. Don't gimme that weak excuse about HoH "losing it's purpose". That's an insult to the intelligence of everyone on these forums.

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destro Maniak
I dont play the game no longer cause anti farm perpective of anet and all nerf made me bored of the game.
So you say this way its more time with favor?
How many player play guild wars.
I more then 2 million I guess and less then 3million. Thats prety good if everyone is tracking titles. But they arent. How many of them playing ht game long enought to get max titles. %95 of the communite cant have enought time and patience to max titles. So you say every hour 20 people max titles. I would be amazed. Ad I dont wait at game any longer I dont know ho logn it takes some people to ax titles.
BUT IT SHOULD BE EVERY 5 MINUTES CAUSE IF TAKES LONGER OLD WAY WAS LONGER TIME SPEND WITH FAVOR WHEN I PLAYED(I mean prime playing times for european time zone. mornin 10 night 1 I dont remember cant getting in uw)
Maniak, you have no idea what you are talking about. Everyone in the world has had consistent favor for very long periods of time now.. The remaining favor time has been 100+ every time I've been online for the past few days. You are wrong. The new system works. THE OLD WAY WAS INCONSISTENT & UNEVEN. In case you didn't see: YOU ARE WRONG.

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Be Aggressive B E Aggressive [AGRO]

E/Me

Yay for anet for once!!!!! Finally decided to get the PvP out of PvE..well mostly, now all we need to do is get PvP with closed deck of skills and they can stop nerfing skills in PvE...

Frank Dudenstein

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

What happened to all the "we'll never have favor again' hysteria? Hmmm... they must have gone back to the global warming forums (better hurry before that one is debunked too...)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyosuke
The old system actually gave HoH a purpose. It made it more of an honor for the PVP players to do something good for the rest of the community/their region. Now it's almost meaningless even though you still get your name pasted up.
Take it from an HA regular (7000+ fame): HA-ers couldn't give two sh*ts about favor.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
You have no clue what liberalism means.
I thought liberalism meant Hillary wants to take my money and give it to someone else....

The Divine Prophet

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

D/

/notsigned

it makes it more fair for other regions such as Japan and Taiwan

ibex333

ibex333

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Brooklyn, NY

[EYE]

Rt/A

@OP

no..
/NOT SIGNED


Favor was always a PvE thing. It should have nothing to do with PvP. The system was simply unfair! How can you pit ALL OF EUROPE against America?
If you take all players in Europe, there's ultimately a lot more of them than all the American players. Therefore, Europe has a lot higher chance to have favor.

Just a sidenote: What good are the "blessing shrines" to those who PvP? Cant think of a reason? Then why should this even depend on Halls matches?

This was just a sucky system overall... Why should people be at a disadvantage because of things outside of their control? (especially when they can do something about it)

HoH winning PvPers have no right to whine. They already have more than enough rewards. They have the coolest and the most admired rank in the game... They have the best emote... They can get an item from the HoH chest that will make them instantly richer than someone who spent years farming... They tend to be in the best most mature and stable guilds in all of GW community. (something that some people spend years searching for, and never find)


PvEers deserve to have control over favor. This is a good idea, and it should stay that way.


If you really want to change the favor system, remove it alltogether. That will make everyone happy. Or change the favor rewards. Let's say.. If you have favor you don't get blessing shrines or access to UW/FoW, but you get something simpler like glowing capes or fire trails.


That would hurt no one, because a cool skin/graphic doesn't equal more damage or armor, and this is only temporary while you have favor.

Komradkyle

Komradkyle

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Pennsylvania, USA

W/

NOT SIGNED! This new system is more fair to everyone

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein
Take it from an HA regular (7000+ fame): HA-ers couldn't give two sh*ts about favor.
Thanks for clarifying, I think it's funny people thought that HoHers were big on favor.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein
I thought liberalism meant Hillary wants to take my money and give it to someone else....
lol!

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

The problem is that players need to think a little beyond whatever it is that gets their rocks off atm. Anet is trying out a bunch of ideas to develope content for GW2 now and cheers of WooT for this system endorse the reputation grind system. This change is better than HA favor because (since a ton of people are activey grinding title for the HoM) favor is pretty constant. This change is worse because endorsing it is an endorsement for rep grind fever. If that's what you want, you should buy WoW. They pull it off way better.

If you liike this system because favor is constant, post to remove the lame favor system altogether. People are posting, "/NOTSIGNED this is way better than the old system!" There's more to life than just two options...no matter what TV tells you.

Hephaestus Ram

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltar
The problem is that players need to think a little beyond whatever it is that gets their rocks off atm. Anet is trying out a bunch of ideas to develope content for GW2 now and cheers of WooT for this system endorse the reputation grind system. This change is better than HA favor because (since a ton of people are activey grinding title for the HoM) favor is pretty constant. This change is worse because endorsing it is an endorsement for rep grind fever. If that's what you want, you should buy WoW. They pull it off way better.

If you liike this system because favor is constant, post to remove the lame favor system altogether. People are posting, "/NOTSIGNED this is way better than the old system!" There's more to life than just two options...no matter what TV tells you.

I don't think the OP offered any option other than to return it
to the way it was.

Most posts in favor of keeping the current system only
acknowleged that haveing favor PvE based was a better
way than the original. Wether it's being title base or not
is still open for debate.

And what's "lame" about it? Anet want's to do something
to require us to "earn" favor... do you have a better way...
if so... spit it out. I've never played WoW and I'm not going
to buy just to see how they do things there.

RudyNam

RudyNam

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

SKEC

Mo/R

Whenever I have been online and typed in /favor it usually pops up that we have around 160 minutes of favor left...

Midnight08

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Cantha. DE

Xen of Onslaught (Alliance of Xen-AX)

A/

Here's my idea

Favor Point System
Favor is granted when 100 points are reached

Favor Announced Every 10 points.

Max Title = 5 Points (20 titles = Favor)
Hard Mode W/Bonus = 4 Points (Not Announced)
Hard Mode Mission Completion = 3 Points (Not Announced)
Normal Mission Completion (W/Masters or Bonus) = 2 Points (Not Announced)

After Favor is achieved - Each Achievement adds 1-3 Minutes to the counter.

Additionally - Add "Blessing of the Gods":
Blessing of the Gods: Your territory has control of the Hall of Hero's. The Gods have blessed you with passage to their realms. (3X Passage Scroll Drops)

This way, everyone is happy, People who could not get favor must only do missions as normal and Favor should be achieved.

Alternately, you could use the following progression.

Achievement - Always Active
HM W/Bonus - Active only when Favor is Inactive
HM WO/Bonus - Active Only When Favor has been inactive 30 Minutes
NM W/Bonus - Active once Favor has been inactive 1 Hour

(Basically giving a benefit to times when favor is harder to get by adding more options as time passes.)

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hephaestus Ram
Anet want's to do something
to require us to "earn" favor... do you have a better way...
if so... spit it out.
I did. Remove favor. Do you disagree that most of the people that like the new system like it because it's all but perma-favor? Why not make it based on a one-time quest or finishing the campaign or even finishing a campaign with all bonuses or master rewards?

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

Oh, I think you really missed the point of my post, Hephaestus. it certainly wasn't to say WoW is the "right way". Far from it; I really don't want GW to turn into WoW. That game is full of "optional" faction grinding and it's both tedious and manipulative. Blizzard sets up a carrot on a stick to drag players to the ever-moving finish line. It's (IMO) a pretty sinister system to coerce people into continued play. You will hear a lot of WoW players trying to keep up with people and come to some sense of crazy obligation to play It's really creepy. I'm only bummed that it took me 5 months to catch on to that.