1st of all I just came across this thread so I didn't have a clue you could dupe stuff, and frankly I still don't understand well how they did it.
As things are now, however, since the exploit is so old (relatively speaking) a rollback is unfeasable. But, unless Anet removes ALL existing ambraces from the game blocking the duping process would incur in an even huger discrepance between rich and poor. those who have their fat stash of duped stuff can sit back and relax because now other ppl won't be able to do the same.
Detecting and removing duped stuff is also bad, as ppl who have been paid for stuff with duped stuff would remain with an empty storage chest.
All item duplication exploit (do not name players please)
prism2525
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
dunno if this works like D2 ... items have and ID
how can u detect duped stuff from "selfdropped" ? (even if a guy has a stack of those, u cant make em poof just like that) |
bart
i don't know if Anet has the manpower to mount such a witchunt and will they be able to do it within an appropriate timeframe.
Nurse With Wound
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Originally Posted by Tijger
Yeah, except for one thing, the majority of GW players dont even KNOW what an armbrace of truth is. I know what it is and I have a fair bit of cash but I've not had one or wanted one.
Exploit or not, if this was true and a problem then it needs to be fixed and will be fixed asap, I dont know why you'd even imagine it wouldnt be *shrug* |
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
dunno if this works like D2 ... items have and ID
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Marth Reynolds
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Originally Posted by spyke136
rofl and literally destroy the economy? "selling stack of feathers 100k!"
for those of you who think this is only armbraces, please stop being so naive. if you discovered this exploit what is the first thing you would dupe? armbraces? a highend item very hard to sell since many people dont have enough ectos or perhaps...the ectos themselves. think how many ectos are floating around on some of these dupers' accounts. the only reason they started doing mass volume armbraces is for the minipets to dupe. these minipets are the RAREST items in the game, and most sought after right now especially with the bonuses they afford through GWEN. so they super duped armbraces to easily entice minipet owners to sell. |
lockpicks never lose value and all can be sold to npcs.
Kyp Jade
I miss reconnects, wont even bother with Heroes Ascent since ppl disconnect so often
undeadgun
the disable of reconnection hurts everyone, but i think most affected are those PvPers, HA and GvG.... sigh.............
gn guys, off to bed, i hope when i weak up things back to normal... give all of u my best wish...
gn guys, off to bed, i hope when i weak up things back to normal... give all of u my best wish...
LagunaCid
inb4ruststorm
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds
personally i would clone diamonds, rubys, ectos and lockpicks since those are a nice source of money.
lockpicks never lose value and all can be sold to npcs. |
But yes lockpicks would have been the way to go for gold value only items. set value of 750gp each.
Seraphic Divinity
Note: While selling my mini beetle apparently the three people offering know each other because most of their responses are
"----! He's offering on it too? That ----- He's not supposed to be doing it yet"
that's about the point when I decided to make my topic to see if anything weird was going on 0_o...
"----! He's offering on it too? That ----- He's not supposed to be doing it yet"
that's about the point when I decided to make my topic to see if anything weird was going on 0_o...
Nurse With Wound
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Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity
Note: While selling my mini beetle apparently the three people offering know each other because most of their responses are
"----! He's offering on it too? That ----- He's not supposed to be doing it yet" that's about the point when I decided to make my topic to see if anything weird was going on 0_o... |
Chaos Theory Pvp
reconnects will be back with a fix.. few days max... imho
korcan
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Originally Posted by Chaos Theory Pvp
reconnects will be back with a fix.. few days max... imho
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Yawgmoth
There's no way stackable items could have an id code to them. Regular items may have that, that's why we don't see any abnormal numbers of extremely rare items sold now, just armbraces/tormenteds.
Leviathan Mara
i just really want an armbrace haha tormented a leet XD
Darko_UK
Haha I bet after this ectos go back up in price hahahah ahahhahahahahah hahahah hahah hah hahahah ahhah haaaahhahhah hahahah ahh ahhah hAHAHAHHAHAHH MAUAH HAU HAU HWFIAU AHHHHHHHHH HAAAAAAAAA HHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Witchblade
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
Each individual item on stack does not have a unique ID on client.
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Anyway i dont think there ll be item poofing about this, just some bans for the obvious stash filled in a few hours maybe. You cant really clean this whole mess now, a rollback'd make lotsa ppl ragequitting and stuff.
You cant ban ppl with stacks of items either, if a friend gave you one of those stack you'd get a ban because of him?
As you can see, there are people not even aware of this duped stuff
Expect a fix, some ban for guys duping X00 stacks a day, that's all imo
CHunterX
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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound
Is it so hard to read the whole thread? Seriously.... Armbraces are just a tip of an iceberg. Every item could be duplicated infinite amount of times, from the day they implemented reconnects till hour ago.
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Gold/Green Weapons: A good gold weapon or green weapon is still rather difficult to sell. You couldn't use the forums, since it was duped; you can't go around selling the same weapon over and over. Also, they are non-stackable; you aren't going to have room for 100's and 100's of them. Obviously quite a few of the gold-sellers and ebaying companies haven't even realized this exploit existed, or we would have seen a lot less bots in the usual places.
Ectos: Sure, theres a high chance that ectos were duped as well, and I expect that they are. But ectos have always been flooded within the market since about 4 months after Prophecies was released. I had seen images of people with storages full of ectos before Factions even hit. There has always been millions of them. Considering how widespread the dupe process wasn't spread, I doubt that even somewhere around 1/200th of ectos currently in the game are duped.
Other rare materials (diamonds, rubies, etc): The demand for these just isn't high. There would be a profit in duping them, yes, but being able to move that many diamonds would be difficult, and would have probably involved a lot of selling to the Rare Material Trader; we would have seen a drastic drop in prices long before today.
prism2525
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Originally Posted by korcan
um, who the hell cares about reconnects right now. what is anet going to do about all the items that have been duped and circulating in the economy?
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However, if they don't find a way to remove duped stuff, they have to leave the exploit as it is, as it wouldn't be 'fair' if only some brainies got the 'bonus'.
Tijger
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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound
Is it so hard to read the whole thread? Seriously.... Armbraces are just a tip of an iceberg. Every item could be duplicated infinite amount of times, from the day they implemented reconnects till hour ago.
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I did read the whole thread and most of what I read was idle speculation, ranting and uninformed talk. Everyone who used this exploit (if it exists, afaik I havent seen actual proof yet) needs to be permanently banned and their accounts deleted and if there is an exploit it needs to be fixed asap.
Marth Reynolds
k just googled some and came up with this:
http://www.zerogamers.com/downloads/...-Dupe-Bot.html
and no do not download this as it's most likely a keylogger!
supposedly a duping bot, i don't really trust it but check the nr of downloads.
http://www.zerogamers.com/downloads/...-Dupe-Bot.html
and no do not download this as it's most likely a keylogger!
supposedly a duping bot, i don't really trust it but check the nr of downloads.
Cacheelma
*Sings to Anet*
Uhhhhh.... I trusted you, I trusted you. So sad, so sad, what *money* will make you do (huhuhu). All the things that we accept, be the things that we regret. So all of my ladies (ladies), feel me c'mon sing with me...
Uhhhhh.... I trusted you, I trusted you. So sad, so sad, what *money* will make you do (huhuhu). All the things that we accept, be the things that we regret. So all of my ladies (ladies), feel me c'mon sing with me...
vaxmor
will this massive influx of gold?/ambraces lead to inflations?
Andisa Kalorn
Well at least I can be fairly sure there aren't duped items on my accounts... the only trading I've done in the past month was to sell a few skill tomes and cheap mods, and to buy a couple of really cheap mods.
But... wow. I hope they can do something to punish the dupers.
And I hope they don't take too long to return the reconnect feature. I couldn't have gotten anywhere without it last weekend... I was disconnecting about 3 times per mission. Luckily it hasn't happened since but I hope it doesn't happen again without the reconnects.
Now that I think about it, there were some very high offers for rare minis last time I was trading - far higher than I was seeing just a month earlier. Now it makes more sense.
But... wow. I hope they can do something to punish the dupers.
And I hope they don't take too long to return the reconnect feature. I couldn't have gotten anywhere without it last weekend... I was disconnecting about 3 times per mission. Luckily it hasn't happened since but I hope it doesn't happen again without the reconnects.
Now that I think about it, there were some very high offers for rare minis last time I was trading - far higher than I was seeing just a month earlier. Now it makes more sense.
manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds
k just googled some and came up with this:
http://www.zerogamers.com/downloads/...-Dupe-Bot.html and no do not download this as it's most likely a keylogger! supposedly a duping bot, i don't really trust it but check the nr of downloads. |
CHunterX
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Originally Posted by Andisa Kalorn
Well at least I can be fairly sure there aren't duped items on my accounts... the only trading I've done in the past month was to sell a few skill tomes and cheap mods, and to buy a couple of really cheap mods.
But... wow. I hope they can do something to punish the dupers. And I hope they don't take too long to return the reconnect feature. I couldn't have gotten anywhere without it last weekend... I was disconnecting about 3 times per mission. Luckily it hasn't happened since but I hope it doesn't happen again without the reconnects. Now that I think about it, there were some very high offers for rare minis last time I was trading - far higher than I was seeing just a month earlier. Now it makes more sense. |
Hyper.nl
Holy crap. This is insane.
Yes, there are bots, yes there is Ebay Gold, yes, there are entire businesses farming ingame stuff. But this is like 50,000-60,000 dollar/euro when ebayed.
I hope this is some kind of display bug, otherwise the high-end economy is screwed forever.
(I think back to the whole month I spent with buying/reselling DoA gemstones and farming to buy my highly wanted Tormented Staff. If this is true, it may be worthless soon)
Yes, there are bots, yes there is Ebay Gold, yes, there are entire businesses farming ingame stuff. But this is like 50,000-60,000 dollar/euro when ebayed.
I hope this is some kind of display bug, otherwise the high-end economy is screwed forever.
(I think back to the whole month I spent with buying/reselling DoA gemstones and farming to buy my highly wanted Tormented Staff. If this is true, it may be worthless soon)
pork soldier
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Originally Posted by against
I guess you will have to actually look at the gold selling sites. If the price of their gold starts going down, you know the market is being flooded with gold. As of now, it just seems like an influx of Armbraces.
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If anything loot scaling drove the real world value of gold up, and discouraged casual gold buyers from guying ^^
JayM13
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Other rare materials (diamonds, rubies, etc): The demand for these just isn't high. There would be a profit in duping them, yes, but being able to move that many diamonds would be difficult, and would have probably involved a lot of selling to the Rare Material Trader; we would have seen a drastic drop in prices long before today.
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Elevandar
wat i dont get is that while it is clear (by pics of thousnds of armbracers in one trade) that armbracers are being cloned why are we not seeing the effects of cloned ectos, granted they have droped in price but if ppl are able to dupe them in the quantities of these armbracers wouldnt they liquify the ectos into the trader use the cash to buy intangible high end items (eg perfect crystalines and dwarven axes ect) rince and repeat (again i know ectos have been around longer and are easier to farm but still cloning is a crapload faster than farming as u clone stacks at a time) so again while ppl have had legit stacks of ectos ppl with cloned ones can easily liquify them (same deal with dimonds) so while cloning is there is it limited to armbracers or where are these cloned ectos goin???????????????????
Nurse With Wound
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I did read the whole thread and most of what I read was idle speculation, ranting and uninformed talk. |
Stormcloud
Im guessing the first items to be duped were ecto's...everyone blamed HM and LS for ecto drop...but im starting to think the overnight(almost) from 12k to 6k then to 5.5k was because of this.
Lilanthe
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wat i dont get is that while it is clear (by pics of thousnds of armbracers in one trade) that armbracers are being cloned why are we not seeing the effects of cloned ectos, granted they have droped in price but if ppl are able to dupe them in the quantities of these armbracers wouldnt they liquify the ectos into the trader use the cash to buy intangible high end items (eg perfect crystalines and dwarven axes ect) rince and repeat (again i know ectos have been around longer and are easier to farm but still cloning is a crapload faster than farming as u clone stacks at a time) so again while ppl have had legit stacks of ectos ppl with cloned ones can easily liquify them (same deal with dimonds) so while cloning is there is it limited to armbracers or where are these cloned ectos goin???????????????????
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Large quantities of ectos are much less keen to suspicion than armbraces.
Also I guess the dupers were "smart" enough to keep a low profile on their duping so it would not be apparent, that's why only today, when this guy made this impossible offer, that duping became a reality to everybody.
Ceylon Tea Cat
I sold my mini ONI to someone called Necromancer xxxx(forgot the name)
........he traded me 8 Armbrace of truth
I think I LOST MY ONI NOW............................................... .....................
........he traded me 8 Armbrace of truth
I think I LOST MY ONI NOW............................................... .....................
upier
Dear A.Net!
I need to apologize for my previous post!
What they did was wrong!
It was just to early for me to see that!
NOW that I can see clearly - I wish to state I fully support a rollback!
Thank you!
Ohh - just make sure you rollback for a MONTH at least!
(since I bought my FoW on the 14th and I hate it! And if we roll back I should get back my gold!)
I mean - icky sticky poo bad guys! We want justice!!!!
And their blood!
Thank you!
All the best from "A concerned citizen"!
I need to apologize for my previous post!
What they did was wrong!
It was just to early for me to see that!
NOW that I can see clearly - I wish to state I fully support a rollback!
Thank you!
Ohh - just make sure you rollback for a MONTH at least!
(since I bought my FoW on the 14th and I hate it! And if we roll back I should get back my gold!)
I mean - icky sticky poo bad guys! We want justice!!!!
And their blood!
Thank you!
All the best from "A concerned citizen"!
unienaule
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Originally Posted by Tijger
Obviously that hasnt happened, the prices on items have barely shown a serious downward trend since reconnects were enabled. Ectos, rubies etc are hardly trading lower then a month ago nor is there suddenly a huge influx of unusual items
I did read the whole thread and most of what I read was idle speculation, ranting and uninformed talk. Everyone who used this exploit (if it exists, afaik I havent seen actual proof yet) needs to be permanently banned and their accounts deleted and if there is an exploit it needs to be fixed asap. |
Gaile Gray
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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound
Is it so hard to read the whole thread? Seriously.... Armbraces are just a tip of an iceberg. Every item could be duplicated infinite amount of times, from the day they implemented reconnects till hour ago.
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Originally Posted by Tijger
Obviously that hasnt happened, the prices on items have barely shown a serious downward trend since reconnects were enabled. Ectos, rubies etc are hardly trading lower then a month ago nor is there suddenly a huge influx of unusual items
I did read the whole thread and most of what I read was idle speculation, ranting and uninformed talk. Everyone who used this exploit (if it exists, afaik I havent seen actual proof yet) needs to be permanently banned and their accounts deleted and if there is an exploit it needs to be fixed asap. |
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Right, but Gaile has already confirmed that diamonds will be used to some extent in GW:EN, and from the number of people in recent weeks spamming "WTB Trade Contracts" gems might be a valuable pre-GWEN investment commodity.
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I simply asked if we were making an effort, with the expansion pack, to tie up loose ends with unused commodities like clay bricks and diamonds. The designers said "Yes, we think most will be used, if not all." I'm sure not suggesting you try to hedge against your old age retirement with gems or bricks!
joze
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Originally Posted by Ceylon Tea Cat
I sold my mini ONI to someone called Necromancer xxxx(forgot the name)
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imo, this is all a-net's fault. rolling back the game shows how incompetent a-net is in handling situations that do not suit them.
i guess this is why more people go to WoW. there they atleast have GM's walking around, controlling the situation. let's see, how many GM's have i seen in GW during my whole time i've been playing? 1. and that was gaile. in lion's arch id1. explaining lag issues.
gg anet, you fail at mmorpg's. tetris is more the like of you. bye.
SaucE
A roll back won't be done. They would have to go back too far. I for one would be extremely pissed if they did. I have put alot of time in in the last 2 weeks earning money in preparation for GWEN.