I wonder how many of these dupers were actually able to obtain rare minis. Because if they get banned, these minis may end up even more unobtainable...
Hopefully they can return the minis to the people who sold them to the dupers.
All item duplication exploit (do not name players please)
Andisa Kalorn
FelixCarter
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Originally Posted by Ceylon Tea Cat
I sold my mini ONI to someone called Necromancer xxxx(forgot the name)
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Why would you sell something that there is so few of anyways?
"If you lose a son, it's possible to get another. But there's only one Maltese Falcon."
Also, it's rude to put a price on a gift given to you...
yesitsrob
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Originally Posted by Ceylon Tea Cat
I sold my mini ONI to someone called Necromancer xxxx(forgot the name)
........he traded me 8 Armbrace of truth I think I LOST MY ONI NOW............................................... ..................... |
TheLordOfBlah
So but like whats happening to those who created massive ecto stacks?
unienaule
Sorry but I had people confirm that they did this with a red dye in IRC. Thanks for playing, though.
Cacheelma
Well, Anet really did take down the reconnect, I have only one thing to say:
IT'S OFFICIAL PEOPLE. THE EXPLOIT WAS HERE.
IT'S OFFICIAL PEOPLE. THE EXPLOIT WAS HERE.
JayM13
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Oh, goodness, please don't think I was giving "investment advice" there.
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. I was basically suggesting that theres motivation to dupe pretty much anything, but like you said. the possibility of duping does not equal proof of duping.
Levi Garett
Just saw Gaile in Shing Jea ID1 for a bit:
That's all I SS'd.
Gaile did mention to stay away from Armbraces, but did not mention of any other item to stay away from.
I asked serveral times if she was aware of other items being duplicated besides Armbraces but did not receive a reply to that question. I felt like she was dodging the question but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt (there's a lot of spam when a GM is present after all). She did however answer a few of my questions prior to that. Gaile mentioned she was logging off to check into some forums so perhaps she will address this question with a reply.
It does not look like a rollback will happen from what she said (still a bit early to determine that though). I don't see how they can fix this w/o a rollback but what do I know. If this has been going on since they introduced reconnects that would be a very long rollback.
Another blow to an already ruined economy IMHO. I was greeted with this mess after getting back from vacation and logging on for the first time in a couple weeks.
Needless to say I'm very interested in what claims here are in fact true, what ANet will do to fix this problem, and how the economy will suffer from all of this in the end.
That's all I SS'd.
Gaile did mention to stay away from Armbraces, but did not mention of any other item to stay away from.
I asked serveral times if she was aware of other items being duplicated besides Armbraces but did not receive a reply to that question. I felt like she was dodging the question but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt (there's a lot of spam when a GM is present after all). She did however answer a few of my questions prior to that. Gaile mentioned she was logging off to check into some forums so perhaps she will address this question with a reply.
It does not look like a rollback will happen from what she said (still a bit early to determine that though). I don't see how they can fix this w/o a rollback but what do I know. If this has been going on since they introduced reconnects that would be a very long rollback.
Another blow to an already ruined economy IMHO. I was greeted with this mess after getting back from vacation and logging on for the first time in a couple weeks.
Needless to say I'm very interested in what claims here are in fact true, what ANet will do to fix this problem, and how the economy will suffer from all of this in the end.
jackie
I'm interested to hear what kind of database records Anet keeps. Does every single trade leave a trace or only anomalies etc. Interested because if dupers were wise, they didn't move their stuff in masses.
manitoba1073
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Reply: Thank you. It's important to put things into perspective, and the fact that something "could be duplicated" does not at all mean that it was duplicated. It's far more likely this is a recent phenomenon than one that has been around for a long while.
Oh, goodness, please don't think I was giving "investment advice" there. I simply asked if we were making an effort, with the expansion pack, to tie up loose ends with unused commodities like clay bricks and diamonds. The designers said "Yes, we think most will be used, if not all." I'm sure not suggesting you try to hedge against your old age retirement with gems or bricks!  |
Now we know Diamonds are forever. I mean wouldnt blinky miss them. But I still want my damn mini dieing nightmare
only 1 please though. all mine. Besides the real mats to collect for Gw:en isnt the jewels.
Nurse With Wound
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Sorry but I had people confirm that they did this with a red dye in IRC. Thanks for playing, though.
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Chaos Theory Pvp
Don't roll back, this was still a minority involved, not like previous where every man and dog was looting ectos, a roll back would be damaging.
edit.. the first stack of arm braces turned up about a month ago thats why i believe this is not recent, but was still contained to a minority.
edit.. the first stack of arm braces turned up about a month ago thats why i believe this is not recent, but was still contained to a minority.
JayM13
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Originally Posted by jackie
I'm interested to hear what kind of database records Anet keeps. Does every single trade leave a trace or only anomalies etc. Interested because if dupers were wise, they didn't move their stuff in masses.
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Mad King Corn
All they really need to do is write a SQL query and search for people with over X number of armbraces and pull the logs of those people and it should be easy to see them using the exploit.
Ben-A-BoO
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Originally Posted by Lilanthe
Large quantities of ectos are much less keen to suspicion than armbraces.
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Not wanna work for Anet at the moment:
... dum di dum di dum ... nice event ... dum di dum di dum ... PANIC!
MirkoTeran
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Originally Posted by Mad King Corn
All they really need to do is write a SQL query and search for people with over X number of armbraces and pull the logs of those people and it should be easy to see them using the exploit.
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Not to mention people could dupe anything from rare materials, items or even just plain gold.
fenix
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
Proof? Didn't think so. All you are saying is: "I heard from a friend's cousin's roomate that red dyes were duped OMG!!1 You are all noobs!!11" In which any average user would be shunned for listening to "their friend's cousin's roomate," and honestly, you aren't acting much like a moderator.
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fallot
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
Proof? Didn't think so. All you are saying is: "I heard from a friend's cousin's roomate that red dyes were duped OMG!!1 You are all noobs!!11" In which any average user would be shunned for listening to "their friend's cousin's roomate," and honestly, you aren't acting much like a moderator. |
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
Proof? Didn't think so. All you are saying is: "I heard from a friend's cousin's roomate that red dyes were duped OMG!!1 You are all noobs!!11" In which any average user would be shunned for listening to "their friend's cousin's roomate," and honestly, you aren't acting much like a moderator.
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manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by Mad King Corn
All they really need to do is write a SQL query and search for people with over X number of armbraces and pull the logs of those people and it should be easy to see them using the exploit.
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acidic
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Too bad this isnt WoW, so no there isnt an SQL for it, there howeever is blog reports they can check into.
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manitoba1073
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Originally Posted by acidic
a BLOG report?
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yesitsrob
Customize is not a solution.
CyberNigma
I have a feeling that previous changes (the infamous axe) were scripts that were applied at logon and not in the db. They've mentioned the info in the db is just a bunch of blobs or clobs so they aren't (probably) going to be searching through it.
Stormcloud
Aside from 10 max titles the prospect of a roll back is extremely disheartening to me Ive had some of the neatest stuff happen in the last month. My guild pooled our resources and bought a valued member a mini-gwen ect...
Today for the first time since DoA was released me and a guildie went through City,Veil, and Gloom. Accomplishments that I would essentially lose.
I dont know what the answer is here but a rollback more than 12 hours would drive me away from GW forever. Basically it would become a fancy chat program for me.
Today for the first time since DoA was released me and a guildie went through City,Veil, and Gloom. Accomplishments that I would essentially lose.
I dont know what the answer is here but a rollback more than 12 hours would drive me away from GW forever. Basically it would become a fancy chat program for me.
Tijger
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Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Too bad this isnt WoW, so no there isnt an SQL for it, there howeever is blog reports they can check into.
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fenix
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
"I was the friend of the guy who duped the dye." I see no screenshots, nothing but "gtfo plz, game over, etc." Saying you duped one Red dye means that 100's of thousands were duped?
Many a time I have seen a post begin with, "I heard from a..." whether it be a friend, cousin, site, doctor, fish. Almost 100% of the time, the original poster would be told to stop listening to said person, and get facts from real sources. The fact that the mod simply said, "I heard from people..." leads me to believe these "people" are unreliable, like they have been for countless other threads. And what is a he-bitch? |
FelixCarter
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Seriously, I don't think playing a blind fanboi role is a very smart move right now. This thing is both obvious AND official enough. Do you think you need a proof that the world is NOT flat?
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On a side note, people are now focusing on the "Armbrace Dupe" to start scamming people in-game (selling for 20k, trading multiple things, tricking the buyer, then logging)... Gotta love the GW community.
Very well done, Fenix and others.
CHunterX
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Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Seriously, I don't think playing a blind fanboi role is a very smart move right now. This thing is both obvious AND official enough. Do you think you need a proof that the world is NOT flat?
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Stormcloud
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Originally Posted by fenix
No, you don't understand. I'm not the friend of a guy who duped a dye, I was the guy who duped it. Why should I put up screens for some unknown jerk who doesn't know anything? For your information Gaile has all the information from me making the extra dye, so I have nothing to prove to you. If you want to troll, then YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
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The bigger question is why not just pass on "the speculated info" rather than experiment with it yourself? To me that opens yourself up to a ban by exploiting the exploit? Im not saying you should be banned but when I heard about this my first thought wasnt "hey lets go see if this really works!"
Nurse With Wound
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Originally Posted by CHunterX
As many people will probably tell you, I'm far from a "blind fanboi," I KNOW there was duping, hell everyone with half a brain knew something was up when people started offering insane shit for the Japanese minipets. But saying that everything is affected and the game is completely destroyed is just causing chaos, not helping a thing.
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Gaile Gray
Here is what we know:
Lastly, stop and think: When did you first become aware of this issue? It's easy to leap to conclusions. But you can't say that because it was related to reconnects, the exploit was used since reconnects were added to the game. That's making a very large assumption. I'll make one in return: I'll assume that most of you heard of this exploit today. How likely is it, then, that it's been around for months? Even weeks? You know the Internet; you know the player base. How likely is it that it's been used for a long while without the word getting out? Before we talk about massive catastrophes, let's consider that the impact may have been quite minimal.
We'll share more info as we have it.
- There was an exploit.
- It was conducted through the reconnect feature.
- We learned of it today and took action, today, to end the use of the exploit.
- We will continue to test, and investigate, and then we'll look at outcomes afterwards.
- What game changes may occur as a result of this exploit.
- What will happen to those who used the exploit.
Lastly, stop and think: When did you first become aware of this issue? It's easy to leap to conclusions. But you can't say that because it was related to reconnects, the exploit was used since reconnects were added to the game. That's making a very large assumption. I'll make one in return: I'll assume that most of you heard of this exploit today. How likely is it, then, that it's been around for months? Even weeks? You know the Internet; you know the player base. How likely is it that it's been used for a long while without the word getting out? Before we talk about massive catastrophes, let's consider that the impact may have been quite minimal.
We'll share more info as we have it.
Leviathan Mara
well if people are buying armbraces again for 5k each someone come wake me up... please? ill give you a high five... ftw.
jonnique
Most game have Item ID for every item and if Im right GW should also have item id for every item, for the reason that whenever an item is duplicated the item code will duplicated too then the solution is just delete the duplicate item code and your done. just my 2cents xD
Enko
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I don't have time to throw down a name calling fight, simply because you refuse to submit proof that dyes were duped massively, as I have jury duty in 5 hours. Have fun trying to troll me some more though.
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FelixCarter
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Lastly, stop and think: When did you first become aware of this issue? It's easy to leap to conclusions. But you can't say that because it was related to reconnects, the exploit was used since reconnects were added to the game. That's making a very large assumption. I'll make one in return: I'll assume that most of you heard of this exploit today. How likely is it, then, that it's been around for months? Even weeks? You know the Internet; you know the player base. How likely is it that it's been used for a long while without the word getting out? Before we talk about massive catastrophes, let's consider that the impact may have been quite minimal.
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Let's hope it was a dupe just recently learned...
At least it's optimistic... unlike most people nowadays.
Ahhh... Unienaule, you deleted all the funny posts too? XD
Bummer.
joze
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When did you first become aware of this issue?
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people popping up all of a sudden with tons of rare pets & armbraces isn't common. the community would've known who they are. but we don't, they just pop up.
Longasc
It happened, and most of us could not exploit it.
Because of this I demand that all who could get punished extremely hard. *cough*
On a more serious note: It happened.
What will ANet do, what can they do? A rollback is near impossible, this exploit probably existed since the very day the reconnect feature got introduced.
When did it see massive abuse? Probably in the last weeks.
I guess ANet will track down excessive offenders and get some, but not all of them. Their ways to track down might be limited, and I have no idea how hard it would be.
Some got lucky, and some will be banned. There might be a limited rollback or none at all, this is what I suspect. Some might get lucky again and not be banned.
Hopefully no innocents will be banned who traded with the exploiters.
Because of this I demand that all who could get punished extremely hard. *cough*
On a more serious note: It happened.
What will ANet do, what can they do? A rollback is near impossible, this exploit probably existed since the very day the reconnect feature got introduced.
When did it see massive abuse? Probably in the last weeks.
I guess ANet will track down excessive offenders and get some, but not all of them. Their ways to track down might be limited, and I have no idea how hard it would be.
Some got lucky, and some will be banned. There might be a limited rollback or none at all, this is what I suspect. Some might get lucky again and not be banned.
Hopefully no innocents will be banned who traded with the exploiters.
fenix
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Originally Posted by Stormcloud
The bigger question is why not just pass on "the speculated info" rather than experiment with it yourself? To me that opens yourself up to a ban by exploiting the exploit? Im not saying you should be banned but when I heard about this my first thought wasnt "hey lets go see if this really works!"
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LuckyGiant
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Originally Posted by FelixCarter
On a side note, people are now focusing on the "Armbrace Dupe" to start scamming people in-game (selling for 20k, trading multiple things, tricking the buyer, then logging)... Gotta love the GW community. Very well done, Fenix and others. |
I think the original dupers have shot themselves and the game in the foot and I hope the game doesn't suffer because of a few greedy people. Hope the guy who started gets a lawsuit lol.