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savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:08 - 161

No trading period. Then you would really have to fight your ass off to get what u want...ah only in a perfect world.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:08 - 162

Lol. That'd suck, I'd have so many Ele Runes and stuff. Haha

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

13 Aug 2007 at 05:11 - 163

Quote:

Hlaford
To stop it until a better solution is obtained, Like, No Trading in a mission. BAM that also will fix it.

Damm... if what you are saying is true and I can see some of the logic, then a great deal of damage has already been done... It's just people got greedy all of a sudden.

LOL... Just count on human nature to screw up a great scam...LOL...

You know this makes you wonder about a lot of things like trades that were going for massive amounts of ecto's, etc. If this is connected to reconnects, then this item DUPE has been going on for quite some time.

I like my solution best ... devalue the items by having more drop.

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:11 - 164

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Originally Posted by Hlaford

It is possible, and I bet GW will fix it. All they have to do is stop the reconnect ability. And BAM no more duplication

Um if it was that, would there not be some sort of exploit to this which could have easily been seen before? I mean it’s been awhile since that reconnect feature was placed in GW. So the question is: “why now?” What took so long to figure out this exploit, if this was truly the reason?

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:13 - 165

Well, maybe someone got sloppy, and just went Crazy about Armbraces, due to human nature's lust for money/power.

knoll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Washington State.

[ToA]

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13 Aug 2007 at 05:13 - 166

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Originally Posted by Hlaford

Proof? By using proof, I risk the possibility of being banned myself. I know it is only word of mouth, but it is true. Guild wars is made into instances, and we now have the possibility of reconnecting after a loss of connection. thus, a character can be in a mission, "lose connection" and sign in, at town, trade away items, "reconnect" to the inmission character, and trade those items, then meet somewhere again to reclaim his duplicated items. Need 3 people. Easy as pie.

To bad that wouldnt work.
1. person ingame can only trade things in his inventory.
2. Person intwon can only trade things in his inventory and storage.
3. How could the Character in Town access the characters inventory in the mission?
4. The most important when you disconnect, when you log in just to character select screen it ask if you want to reconnect. Thus not allowing you to connect again if you choose to go on a different chracter first.

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

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13 Aug 2007 at 05:14 - 167

probably it finally got spread out.. I remember that some people about a month ago were announcing that they had 100+ armbraces for sale

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:16 - 168

What took you all so long to find Hard Mode Urgoz? That was also there for the taking for a long time (4-6 weeks?) before you all showed up.

Most likely someone found out about it by accident. The odds of: trading something in a mission, D/Cing at just the right time, and making the startling discovery that you just duplicated an item can't be very good.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:18 - 169

I hope the duped Armbraces are allowed to exist. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Tormented market crash alongside the rising value of Platinum.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:18 - 170

You only send out one IP. . .Gw recognizes you as ONE person

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

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The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:19 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

I hope the duped Armbraces are allowed to exist. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Tormented market crash alongside the rising value of Platinum.

QFT quote of the day right there. Communism ftw!

shadowofskip

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Help

R/W

13 Aug 2007 at 05:20 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlaford

A few of the people responsible for the duping have already destroyed their items, in fear of being banned. GW:EN will be fine.

proof?

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Originally Posted by Enko

heh looks like all the people with the 1750 armbraces are asleep. no offeres yet.

I'm sure no one is going to offer even close to that after this thread, and im sure everyone knows about it already, its spreading through gw like wildfire (even i'm here and i RARELY use this site cause it lags so hard for me)

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

13 Aug 2007 at 05:23 - 173

Yup... Someone got greedy...

That is amazing, and it makes sense if you can get people to do this with you.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:24 - 174

I just hope it gets fixed before the game dies like D2.

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:26 - 175

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

Yup... Someone got greedy...

That is amazing, and it makes sense if you can get people to do this with you.

I don’t think now is the best time to try this considering that A-net programmers will be combing over the data now, looking for these anomalies in the game. I hate to be on the other end of that stick.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 176

Anyone know enough about the item code in GW to know whether or not the duped items are traceable as derived from the same source?

(ie: does each dropped item get a unique bit of code when it drops that permits tracing duplicated items, or did ANet fail to plan for this due to storing everything server side?)

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:29 - 177

Yeah, ok, now I'm beginning to get concerned.

I wonder how many items have been "created" this way, and sold directly to the merchant for generated income (lockpicks, etc). No one would notice a thing if that happened... Yeah, the economy is f***ed if that's the case.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:29 - 178

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Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

QFT quote of the day right there. Communism ftw!

Thanks for the QFT, but you must be confused about Communism. Surplus of product -> less demand -> less value. It's all Capitalism. If I said the Armbraces should be given to all members of GW population, that would be Communism.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:30 - 179

Woo Against! And Arcane, as far as I know, the items were sold To people, for items/ money, no game generated income.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:33 - 180

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Yeah, ok, now I'm beginning to get concerned.

I wonder how many items have been "created" this way, and sold directly to the merchant for generated income (lockpicks, etc). No one would notice a thing if that happened... Yeah, the economy is f***ed if that's the case.

I guess you will have to actually look at the gold selling sites. If the price of their gold starts going down, you know the market is being flooded with gold. As of now, it just seems like an influx of Armbraces.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:35 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlaford

Woo Against! And Arcane, as far as I know, the items were sold To people, for items/ money, no game generated income.

And how do you know that the people you know that did it are the only ones that did it? Information passes around, and others could figure it out. Besides, you also probably don't know exactly what they did with that "ability". Honestly, what I said is exactly what I would do if I chose to exploit the game and had the bright idea on how to do it. That would be the best way to make a lot of money quickly without anyone noticing.

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Originally Posted by against

I guess you will have to actually look at the gold selling sites. If the price of their gold starts going down, you know the market is being flooded with gold. As of now, it just seems like an influx of Armbraces.

Good point. Time will tell. Hell, this would be more profitable than botting - there may be a few gold sellers taking advantage of this if the knowledge became spread to such individuals.

ANTICANCER

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

[KSA]

N/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:35 - 182

damn i hope they stay then i could get my tormented sword.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:36 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Anyone know enough about the item code in GW to know whether or not the duped items are traceable as derived from the same source?

(ie: does each dropped item get a unique bit of code when it drops that permits tracing duplicated items, or did ANet fail to plan for this due to storing everything server side?)

If I had to guess, stackable items have identical code. Non-stackable items seem to be unique. Kind of like two identical weapons can have different face (merchant) value.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:37 - 184

You can only get 1mil in gold, Armbraces Stack, creating "infinite" money. Plus, I've seen others saying they had duped items. And in my defense I used the words "as far as I know.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:39 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

I guess you will have to actually look at the gold selling sites. If the price of their gold starts going down, you know the market is being flooded with gold. As of now, it just seems like an influx of Armbraces.

You won't be able to tell if the price reduction is demand-side (people get skittish about the GW economy and stop buying gold for a while) or supply-side (gold reseller has a ton of gold that they want to unload rapidly).

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:41 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlaford

You can only get 1mil in gold, Armbraces Stack, creating "infinite" money. Plus, I've seen others saying they had duped items. And in my defense I used the words "as far as I know.

Tis true, but you can then go around and buy ectos or armbraces or whatever, which wouldn't look suspicious if you were manually purchasing the items. Also, like I said, you could sell it using alternate accounts, etc. Why not make real world money doing this, huh? Hell, just making stacks of ecto and buying rare items from other players could've been done on massive scales with little concern.

against

Krytan Explorer

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Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:42 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

You won't be able to tell if the price reduction is demand-side (people get skittish about the GW economy and stop buying gold for a while) or supply-side (gold reseller has a ton of gold that they want to unload rapidly).

It's supply. The demand aspect doesn't vary enough.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:42 - 188

Because making real world money is also illegal, but even more so. You are using THEIR software to make a profit.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:43 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

If I had to guess, stackable items have identical code. Non-stackable items seem to be unique. Kind of like two identical weapons can have different face (merchant) value.

True, you'd be able to tell if a high-end weapon were duped with the merch value identifier, similar to D2 (no, I don't want to buy your 224 gold req 9 Runic Blade kthxbye).

If stackables do indeed have identical code.............

Well, let's just say I'm glad I cashed out of all rare materials last month.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:43 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

It's supply. The demand aspect doesn't vary enough.

Normally, true. Right now? Impossible to predict.

Nurse With Wound

None More Negative

Join Date: May 2006

Steel Phoenix [StP]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:46 - 191

Wow, so it's been going on for months then ( since they implemented reconnects ). And it was just one money-hungry armbraces dude that raised suspicions, that something is not right. Imagine, how many ppl duplicated stacks of ectos, rare items. Such a failure in a code. LOL. GFG.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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13 Aug 2007 at 05:46 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by against

I hope the duped Armbraces are allowed to exist. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Tormented market crash alongside the rising value of Platinum.

Yeah, except these dupers aren't really doing anything that would let the armbraces filter down to the rest of the GW population. They're staying high up in ridiculous trade offers.

Hlaford

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 05:46 - 193

Again, I already said I have.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:49 - 194

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlaford

Because making real world money is also illegal, but even more so. You are using THEIR software to make a profit.

That prospect hasn't stopped botters, why should it stop dupers? Just another tool (albeit a severe exploit) to acquire gold en masse to sell. I not only see it as probable, but also highly likely.

against

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:51 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

True, you'd be able to tell if a high-end weapon were duped with the merch value identifier, similar to D2 (no, I don't want to buy your 224 gold req 9 Runic Blade kthxbye).

If stackables do indeed have identical code.............

Well, let's just say I'm glad I cashed out of all rare materials last month.

The only material I would be invested in at this point are Diamonds. They are sure to boom because with GW:EN being the last content before GW2, they have to be given a purpose. While people lose interest in NF armors, Rubies and Saphs are sure to drop. Ectos will maintain unless there is going to be harder-to-obtain armor than Obsidian. I've actually been thinking about sinking any of my money exceeding 1,000 Plat into Lockpicks. Their price won't fluctuate at all. I'll also probably be buying more over time anyway.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

13 Aug 2007 at 05:52 - 196

How do we even know Hlaford isn't just making all this up... i mean nobody is actually going to test it out if they're not an Anet employee for fear of getting caught in the web and banned. You don't just come out of the blue and say several people you know do it (conveniently you don't of course) when the penalty is an almost definite perma-ban. Your not gonna get the benefit of the doubt either... your just as much to blame for keeping it a secret when you knew it was a major exploit if it does actually work as you say.

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

13 Aug 2007 at 05:53 - 197

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Anyone know enough about the item code in GW to know whether or not the duped items are traceable as derived from the same source?

(ie: does each dropped item get a unique bit of code when it drops that permits tracing duplicated items, or did ANet fail to plan for this due to storing everything server side?)

If it's anything like Diablo II, all they have to do with their stacks is convert them into Torment weapons and there will be way to trace it. Much like in Diablo II you could transmute two duped runes into the next rune up and it would be safe from the scans.

spyke136

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:55 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Wow, so it's been going on for months then ( since they implemented reconnects ). And it was just one money-hungry armbraces dude that raised suspicions, that something is not right. Imagine, how many ppl duplicated stacks of ectos, rare items. Such a failure in a code. LOL. GFG.

i agree forget armbraces, ectos? is this why they randomly went from 10k to 4.5k? did some people just sit around and make an insane amount of ecto and then sold them to trader? what security is there in the economy if there's some people out there minting rare stacks, for that matter what happens when anet delets everything that was illegally generated, how do we know how pervasive this problem has become. for all we know this has been going on since the reconnect feature was added in and now thousands of players may have in their possession some item that was wrongly created, whether it be ectos, shards, rubies, diamonds, sapphires, armbraces (and the weapons they turn into), keys....the list is endless. hell i bet someone is duplicating stacks of creme brulee...

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 05:56 - 199

if this duping glitch has been around for weeks, what can anet really do about it? all the armbraces have probably been "laundered" to such an extent that makes it almost impossible for anet to trace back to the source.

even if a handful of people get their accounts perma-banned, the damage done to high-end trades is going to be permanent.

short of a month rollback, which isnt even realist, anet is in a lose lose situation.

against

Krytan Explorer

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Edible Granite Pencil [yumy]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 05:56 - 200

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond

Yeah, except these dupers aren't really doing anything that would let the armbraces filter down to the rest of the GW population. They're staying high up in ridiculous trade offers.

Yeah, now. Only forum readers and friends of forum readers really know about it. It will be general public knowledge before long. Those Armbraces will have to go somewhere, specifically if A.net is unable to single-out the guilty. I'm sure many have entered common trade already.