Mass-Banning

countesscorpula

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Gwen Is [EVIL]

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14 Aug 2007 at 05:19 - 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Swift

2: ANet repeatedly has assured players in the past that duping items was impossible because the information was all server side (thus assuaging some of the suspicion that would normally arise in the player's mind when being offered multiple armbraces)

3: ANet recently made DoA easier to access (and advertised this quite efficiently) leading to the reasonable assumption that armbraces and gemsets would fall in price quite rapidly.

4: I had no real idea myself how much an armbrace was worth in this game until this issue - many other players surely are in the same boat.
I'm going to have to agree with Mr. Swift on these points.

On duping:
I check out these forums at least once a day (though I've been trying to scale back). Over the past few months I saw a few threads about "scammers" who were offering to "dupe" things for people in one of the desert missions. I recognized this from earlier readings in "common scams", as posted here on guru and on the old wiki. Many of the people here said things like, "you can't dupe in GW... everyone knows that... tell us something we don't know."

Well, it would seem it was possible... and most of the people who "knew it all" didn't know. They, and I, dismissed such things as newbies to the game uncovering scams long forgotten (almost) by the rest of us.

On Value of items:
I don't do much trading these days, and I've only once traded something worth more than 100k. So that something that is stackable is worth more than 10k... even 20k as an individual item would have been news to me. I'm just not that well versed in the minutia of GW mercantile (I spend more time playing the game than running auctions, and I have little interest in spamming WTS/WTB for hours on end). If a guildie were to say, "Hey, I got some armbraces for cheap, want some?" I'd probably say sure, and chalk it up to DoA becoming easier with the recent update... after I remembered what an armbrace was, and factored in that the prices of ecto and other matts have plummetted recently. I guess I'm kind of lucky that I don't have any armbraces in my inventory. Especially considering I did have to reconnect twice this weekend - once while vanquishing with guildies, and another time while puttering on another toon.

So from my point of view, I hope the only non-dupers getting banned are those with obsene amounts of armbraces/ectos/other-duped-valueable-items. If I hadn't seen this thread (and not all players frequent forums), I would not have had the tiniest suspiscions about duped items offered in trade. After all... duping in GW is impossible, right?

Lord Feathers

Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

ROAR - Rangers of Ascalon Return

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14 Aug 2007 at 05:20 - 122
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Oh, for goodness sake, people, stop the "business analysis," ok?

It is in our best interests to tell the truth.
It is not in our best interests to try to "spin" anything.
We know how many were banned, and we know why they were banned, and we're not exactly being quiet about this and trying to tamp down the discussion. In fact, if you think we're trying to avoid the topic, I'm more than happy to increase the volume of the discussion: If you break the UA, if you take advantage of an exploit, if you do something that damages the game, you will suffer serious consequences.

Can it be any clearer?

Let me know and I'll try to make it so.
I'm loving this, aside from reading through all the whinning, nuke those responsible ! They found the problem and are fixing it. Anyone here ever play any games that allow this kind of behavior ? Oh wait that's BNET not ANET ! Go get em Gaile !

ChoKILLate[FDG]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

[FDG]-Fudge

Mo/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 05:26 - 123
This is for those who purchased a single Armbrace. You most likely will not get banned. For those who missed it read GAILE's post on pg 3! Better yet a mod should sticky it to pg 1.

Quote:
The issue of someone selling a single ambrace to another innocent person, later on, is more complicated. The item was duped, but the buyer may not have been -- probably was not -- aware that he/she was buying a duped item. So, it's a matter of degree, intention, and knowledge. Do we ban the seller, with multiple stacks of 250 armbraces in inventory (or who handed off stacks to friends and guildies)? Yes! Do we ban the player who makes the one-off purchase -- an armbrace here, a couple of duped ectos there? It's not likely that we will.
And I'm sorry but no one trades for rare mini-pets or anything rare with out knowing the general price range of what you are selling and more importantly, what you are buying. That excuse is complete BS. You can maybe use the excuse, "It was a great deal and I thought the other guy was a moron for making the trade" but not "I did not know that an Armbrace was worth that much". Come on!...and if you got stacks from your guildy you had to of known something was up. As a Guild leader, I would have kicked he/she from the guild and reported em myself!

Keep up the GREAT job Anet!

MorpheusDV

MorpheusDV

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Romeoville, IL

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14 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowofskip
Love it. Ban them all for the sake of this game.
love watching dupers like [ohno] cry now
[OhNo] is a guild formed from Myspace that does everything PvE - DoA, Hard Mode, Farming, and much more.

Your accusations for us duping are baseless, making them null and void.

If you ever were in our guild, you would love us, as we're a great bunch of people, but blanket statements that you make piss me off.

I'm not crying, but it pisses me off that people in our guild, who have gotten titles recently such as Legendary Guardian, are banned because ArenaNet fails at banning.

Psuedo Halgoen

Psuedo Halgoen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

GMT+10

14 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 125
Quote:
Originally Posted by S W O R d
snip
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you/your in the same guild as Mistele and chunky, or at least that's what it says in your details under S W O R d.
Here's how I see it, either the people who started the duplication glitch are in that guild or some members (or even just chunky) have close ties to those that started/used the glitch.

Anet would have logs of anyone receiving and using these duped armbraces. Chances are that your son had some in his inventory, and probably the reason why he was banned.

Also earlier in this thread or was it the other one, I can't remember, but Gaile Grey the Arena Net CR/PR has said that the bans were greater than 10, your son is just one of many.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

14 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
What "mass banning" are you describing? The numbers being mentioned in this thread are in the single digits. There has been no mass ban. Period.

Here is what we've done:
  • We've found the people who duplicated items. Their numbers were really quite small. We banned them.
  • We found the people to whom the duplicated items were given in large quantities. Their numbers were somewhat larger, but again, relatively few. We banned them.
  • We are examining records to see how far this extends. We may be banning more in the coming days, but we will most likely choose to not ban more than we will choose to ban. The decision is ours and will be based on a lot of factors, principal being whether it's reasonable to assume that the player knew he/she was getting ill-gotten goods.
We are quite sure that those players getting stacks and stacks of the most valuable item in the game realized that this largesse was not the result of the kind and generous spirit of a guild mate or friend. We're quite sure that those getting offers of 5 gazillion armbraces for item sales knew that something was wrong, and yet they made the sale anyway. It's obvious that certain players knew about the exploit, or suspected there was one. It's pretty easy to establish who such players were.

Did you think we'd never notice? Of course we noticed! Our recordkeeping is exceptionally detailed. You can't move a piece of gold from one bag to another without us knowing it. And as a result, those at the center of abusing this exploit were banned. That is as it should be.

The issue of someone selling a single ambrace to another innocent person, later on, is more complicated. The item was duped, but the buyer may not have been -- probably was not -- aware that he/she was buying a duped item. So, it's a matter of degree, intention, and knowledge. Do we ban the seller, with multiple stacks of 250 armbraces in inventory (or who handed off stacks to friends and guildies)? Yes! Do we ban the player who makes the one-off purchase -- an armbrace here, a couple of duped ectos there? It's not likely that we will.

Duplicating items is disallowed by the User Agreement under which each player is permitted to play Guild Wars. Getting stacks and stacks of free items -- or receiving ridiculous numbers of items for a sale -- must have pinged peoples' radars that "Hey, this can't be legit!" Just as receiving stolen property is a crime in the real world, this sort of act is disallowed in our game, and results in a ban.

Those who made an innocent purchase have very little to worry about. The accounts of those who were banned were examined with care and consideration, using extensive research to assure that the appropriate action was taken. It is highly unlikely that these players can successfully appeal their banning.

And if you're aware of someone who was involved, I invite you to report that player, for the good of the game.
QFT,

"If you see a pile of shit, you are not gonna step into it, even when glittering like golden"

If you obviously get involved in "fencing" you can expect to be punished.The state will also not except the excuse: But i didn't know these 600 million euro I received from my good friend were illegally obtained.

Good action Anet, In this way innocents will not be punished

Westofeden

Westofeden

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

TN

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

R/E

14 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 127
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowofskip
Love it. Ban them all for the sake of this game.
love watching dupers like [ohno] cry now
Wow, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you dude. I love how you jump all over our guild because we came in wondering what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is going on just like everyone else. Dumb piece of shit.

Smoczek_bagus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Odpierzona Hala Majstrow

N/E

14 Aug 2007 at 05:28 - 128
GG bout taking care of ambrace dupes...

but what about duped kanaxais/pandas/ghostly heroes/stygian reavers/crystalline swords etc... if 1 was traded for 1750 ambraces so what bout ppl who got few of them popped up suddenly in inventory....

I n d e r v i d j o o u l

I n d e r v i d j o o u l

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Calgary

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

E/Mo

14 Aug 2007 at 05:29 - 129
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowofskip
Love it. Ban them all for the sake of this game.
love watching dupers like [ohno] cry now

We have 39 Members and you're going to say ALL of us are dupers? I think you should be banned for being so god damn ignorant.

What about all the bots at Bergen Hot Springs?! They dont do ANYTHING about that, and that has been going on ever since the game first started.. and now they're going to penalize loyal players, who have spent countless hours, working hard on their characters with nothing to base anything on.

I had a friend in the guild Shadows Rising [Rise] who was Perma-banned for " botting " and if anyone knew this guy they'd KNOW of ALL people in the game, this guy wouldn't know anything when it came to botting, hes pretty computer illiterate.

However A-net was saying "We have thoroughly investigated the situation, and have come to the conclusion that you have been botting" etc... We know for a fact he doesn't bot, knows nothing about bots, yet they say their thorough investigation allowed them to come to that conclusion. They had absolutely NO PROOF that he was using bots, its just ridiculous... Its OBVIOUS they don't do jack shit to investigate for they penalized a loyal player and have nothing to base their alligations on. I guess if A-net is really focused on losing money and pissing a lot of people off... they've accomplished their goal.

Same goes for duping... they basically don't know what the hell they're going to do.. and instead of setting out a plan to settle the situation, they're just reacting and doing whatever comes to mind first. It really worries me knowing that people who are working for A-net don't need any experience in their field what-so-ever. Its more evident now than ever what happens when you hire morons.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l213/DieMaschine6/Random/AnetFullOfShit.jpg"

NekoZ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Long Island

So Goth We Crap [Bats]

14 Aug 2007 at 05:31 - 130
And to add on to above, not one of us had armbraces. Half haven't even seen one in game lol. (5 got banned)

Westofeden

Westofeden

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

TN

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

R/E

14 Aug 2007 at 05:33 - 131
Quote:
Originally Posted by I n d e r v i d j o o u l
We have 39 Members and you're going to say ALL of us are dupers? I think you should be banned for being so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO ignorant.
Fixed

Rayne Despair

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Nebraska

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

N/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 05:37 - 132
Uhhh yea i dream of armbraces but never obtained one. i myself didn't get banned but my dear friends did... and i can say for myself i know their not dupers... come to think of it our guild is small but a lot of us are always on trying to max out things. for example, most recent was legendary guardian.

Rayne Despair

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Nebraska

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

N/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 05:38 - 133
and Leviathan Mara agrees.

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

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Join Date: Aug 2007

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Mo/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 05:40 - 134
I love Gail. She's on my side. Ban everyone that has more than 1 armbrace, and anyone that has more than 200ecto.

acidic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

14 Aug 2007 at 05:40 - 135
they should lose all the duped item they traded for or take the ban.

I have no sympathy for Darwin award candidates

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

14 Aug 2007 at 05:41 - 136
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
....We are quite sure that those players getting stacks and stacks of the most valuable item in the game realized that this largesse was not the result of the kind and generous spirit of a guild mate or friend. We're quite sure that those getting offers of 5 gazillion armbraces for item sales knew that something was wrong, and yet they made the sale anyway. It's obvious that certain players knew about the exploit, or suspected there was one. It's pretty easy to establish who such players were.
"quite sure"???? "Obvious"???? Proof it or leave them alone!!! And send them your proof. Even in america "In dubio pro reo" is used.

Do you actually think that there aren´t people that just think: "Man, am I lucky to get such an offer, or what?" Especially when you have one of those very, very rare Minipets. And with the monuments in GWEN, the value of Minipets might actually rise.

Or: You come back to GW after a 6 months break, you see the offer and sell. Who knows what happened in 6 months.

Are you still "quite sure"???

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Swift
Really, Miss Gray?

I would buy this except for a couple of things

1: You are exaggerating - the game does not go to 5 gazillion in anything

2: ANet repeatedly has assured players in the past that duping items was impossible because the information was all server side (thus assuaging some of the suspicion that would normally arise in the player's mind when being offered multiple armbraces)

3: ANet recently made DoA easier to access (and advertised this quite efficiently) leading to the reasonable assumption that armbraces and gemsets would fall in price quite rapidly.

4: I had no real idea myself how much an armbrace was worth in this game until this issue - many other players surely are in the same boat. Had I been offered one for 50k or even as a gift I would have known I was getting a good deal but I never would have realized how much of a good deal. If I had a rare mini and was offered a 1000 armbraces for it, I probably would not have realized the discrepancy. I collect certain things and know the price for them but anything else would simply leave me in the dark.

5: Posts about being offered many armbraces for rare minis were started some time ago from what I understand and ANet did nothing. If you read the first few posts that alerted the community this week you will notice that many refused to believe there was a problem - ANet's lack of action lulled them into thinking everything was surely ok and other factors were responsible for the number of armbraces.

6: And finally - let's face it, this exploit has been around since December - and now that we look back was probably greatly responsible for the sharp drop in ecto prices. Yet NO ONE suspected anything other than deflation caused by hard mode and loot scaling. Why do you, then, expect people to see armbraces differently?

Yes, many are to blame - some may have suspected there was a problem - but given that ANet was responsible for a huge part of the problem I think you need to err strongly on the side of caution before claiming any person should have known there was a problem.

They are no more to blame than ANet - because ANet SHOULD HAVE SUSPECTED THERE WAS A PROBLEM LONG AGO!!!

Please do not say what others should have suspected when you must be painted with the same brush.
QFT. ANet is making it easy for themself.

828168

828168

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

14 Aug 2007 at 05:43 - 137
Great job Anet! The banning of dupers was done in a fast and timely manner. Keep up the good work and I'm hoping for more banning or fixing of the situation. I know you want to keep a lot of exploiters happy so they'll buy the expansion coming up. But for the sake of maintaining the integrity of the game, there needs to be more done. Any purchases of ambraces under 100k deserves to be looked into since it does exploit the game's duping and most people in the right mind won't sell a legitimate ambrace under that price. I'm sure those who bought under that price knowingly bought the ambrace(s) and knows the chances of it being legitimate are slim and none. Why not banned these people or convert these ambraces to glittering dust? Even if they were coverted to weapon, they still exploited the bug/glitch within the game and they knowingly did it so these weapon needs to be removed. Shouldn't these be looked at carefully and if the time coincides with the duping already being spread widely in game and on message boards warrants some kind of action to be taken? This will make people think twice about any future exploits.

Lord-UWR

Lord-UWR

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Fiction We Live In [FaKe]

W/R

14 Aug 2007 at 05:43 - 138
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord High Pwner
This dilema has rasied a few questions about later aspects of the game where duping could be possible. If any mods or Gaile would like to hear me out on a possible dup scenario please pm me on guru.I dont want to elaborate and give any ideas to poss. dupers. But i would like to voice my concern and dont really know where to do so.
Great, if you actually prevent another mess up like this, you'll be my hero, as well as the whole community's. So here is how you can report your suspicions of further exploits.

Quoted from EULA directly:

You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via "Ask a Question" at http://support.guildwars.com.

Just send each possible bug in a separate email, as I'm sure you'll get much more attention that way, than if you send them all at once. Also notify Gaile of your support ticket number, so she can follow up on it directly, and bring it to the attention of the programmers.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

14 Aug 2007 at 05:44 - 139
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayne Despair
Uhhh yea i dream of armbraces but never obtained one. i myself didn't get banned but my dear friends did... and i can say for myself i know their not dupers... come to think of it our guild is small but a lot of us are always on trying to max out things. for example, most recent was legendary guardian.
so u get 1750 armbraces just falling out of the sky?

"Ich habe es nicht gewuBt"

Come on be realistic, miracles don't happen.

To people who say that prove is needed in law suits. This is not the case, if you obtained huge amounts of money you have to prove its origin, and thereby show it is legal.

Arkhar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Guild Wars

W/

14 Aug 2007 at 05:45 - 140
Based on how quickly Armbrace prices dropped and how nothing of value has ever changed so dramatically in price, I think it's safe to say that this was something new. So way to go nipping it in the bud Anet, and here's hoping the market takes the blow better than the Real-World economy is handling its problems right now, eh?

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

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14 Aug 2007 at 05:46 - 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
"quite sure"???? "Obvious"???? Proof it or leave them alone!!! And send them your proof. Even in america "In dubio pro reo" is used.

Do you actually think that there aren´t people that just think: "Man, am I lucky to get such an offer, or what?" Especially when you have one of those very, very rare Minipets. And with the monuments in GWEN, the value of Minipets might actually rise.

Or: You come back to GW after a 6 months break, you see the offer and sell. Who knows what happened in 6 months.

Are you still "quite sure"???
I dont think the first thing you'd do after a six month break is say "selling mini-panda!" You would probaly ask guildies what the approx. price is first.

lunksunkunk

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

14 Aug 2007 at 05:47 - 142
Seems the issue is taken care of, for the most part. Makes me sick to still see people trying to exploit this past bug in the trade chat.

Westofeden

Westofeden

Academy Page

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TN

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

R/E

14 Aug 2007 at 05:48 - 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
so u get 1750 armbraces just falling out of the sky?

"Ich habe es nicht gewuBt"

Come on be realistic, miracles don't happen.

To people who say that prove is needed in law suits. This is not the case, if you obtained huge amounts of money you have to prove its origin, and thereby show it is legal.
The whole banning situation of our guild wasn't about armbraces seeing as how no one in the guild had or has more than 1 armbrace at a time.

Oofus

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

14 Aug 2007 at 05:49 - 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt
With an Avatar like Gonzo, I wouldn't expect you to know what coherent is. I've re-read over what i've said and it makes sense to me. What i'm getting to in there is that there have been alot of noticeable factors that no one seems to be taking account of in regards to why the drop in ectos. Let me break it down a little bit easier for your uncomprehendable mind to follow.

1. Ectos spiked to 12k+ when people got their dervies and paragons through NF and wanted their FoW armor.
2. After weeks of that, obviously fewer and fewer people wanted FoW and prices drop to 9k. This trickled down over weeks.
3. After that, hard mode was introduced. This allowed for more frequent drops, ectos being one of them.
4. UW scrolls allowed for access to UW during moments we didn't have favor.
5. Long time players who accumulated a fair amount of ectos had literally quit the game, which was evident by a few that i knew as well as many posts i'd seen on guru of people unloading 200+ ectos and various greens/golds and declaring they were quitting the game. That in itself puts alot of ectos back into the market, creating even less of a merchant demand.
6. With the intro of Loot Scaling, ectos, because they are a rare material, were unaffected so to allow for continued solo farming for them.
7. The drop in ecto prices didn't suddenly spike down overnight. This happened over a period of months. If a dupe like what happened to armbraces was really the situation, then we'd see ecto prices hovering around that of jades, ambers, and steel. We wouldn't see them around the prices of rubies and diamonds.
8. One thing i'd just remembered as well is that during that time we'd gone through several small holiday events as well as a couple of festivals. It should be well documented that when special events occur, they directly impact the market and especially the ecto market.

So there is that coherent enough for you? Broken down into parts rather than in one big paragraph? Several factors over a period of time that allowed for the drop in ectos broken down in such a way that actually makes perfect sense that as I said, when you take 5-10 min to think about, it actually makes SENSE! A few might be in denial and make it appear that ectos suddenly spiked down almost as if overnight, but that wasn't the case. I still remember times that during the whole fear of ectos dropping where i'd see the slow 500 gold every 2 weeks trickle down effect happening with ectos. For about a month if i remember, ectos were hovering between 6.5k and 7.5k before creeping down to the 5.5k state they are now. That isn't a sign of duping. Duping is a sudden immediate impact whereas this took several months.
LOL I still have absolutely no idea what your POINT is, and I doubt anyone else does either.
By the way, you shouldn't try to use big words, that don’t even exist, to insult people, it kinda makes you look even more foolish. LMAO @ "uncomprehendable”. If you're going to try and insult me because I can't follow your inain blatherings about god-knows-what, at least wait till the acid wears off before you start to type again.

And it's Super GROVER, not Gonzo. Sheesh



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Rayne Despair

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Nebraska

Naga Stole Mah Bike [OhNo]

N/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 05:51 - 145
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
so u get 1750 armbraces just falling out of the sky?

"Ich habe es nicht gewuBt"

Come on be realistic, miracles don't happen.

To people who say that prove is needed in law suits. This is not the case, if you obtained huge amounts of money you have to prove its origin, and thereby show it is legal.
No one in our guild had an armbrace. I never had an armbrace...i'm not even to the point of the game where i can do so. I just want things to be fair...and I know that for some people, things aren't fair. Not for one second will i stick up for those who have blatantly duped, but I WILL stick up for those who helped me through prophecies last month and for those who were still helping me do bonuses that i missed.

these people know who they are, and i hope their ban is not a permanent one.

hazard4all

hazard4all

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Serbia

Death Is Energy [DIE]

N/Rt

14 Aug 2007 at 05:52 - 146
my luck that I was on holyday our guild leader told us who ever do that he will personaly report us :lol:

TheLordOfBlah

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

14 Aug 2007 at 05:56 - 147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oofus
LOL I still have absolutely no idea what your POINT is, and I doubt anyone else does either.
By the way, you shouldn't try to use big words, that don’t even exist, to insult people, it kinda makes you look even more foolish. LMAO @ "uncomprehendable”. If you're going to try and insult me because I can't follow your inain blatherings about god-knows-what, at least wait till the acid wears off before you start to type again.

And it's Super GROVER, not Gonzo. Sheesh

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Not that I dont entirely agree with you, but you spelled "inane" wrong :P

<--- Couldn't resist

Kool Pajamas

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

14 Aug 2007 at 06:00 - 148
I don't know. In most cases they probably knew what was going on, but I can't help but feel somewhere there are some kids that were given a gift not knowing the value of what they were given, and now are banned.

FenrirOfSleipnir

FenrirOfSleipnir

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Join Date: Aug 2005

The Netherlands

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14 Aug 2007 at 06:06 - 149
I'm not sure why I got banned but I sure as hell didn't buy any arm braces. Maybe it's those few times I got disconnected this weekend and quickly reconnect that tied the knot around my neck. Same for my cousin, even. He also got banned, maybe because he's on the same IP as me.

I'm just hoping my best friend doesn't face the same fate cause I gave him Guild Wars as a present last Friday....

And this will surely become bad publicity for them if they keep the innocents banned, you can be sure of that.

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 06:07 - 150
New idea. Ban everyone and make them buy the games over again!

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

14 Aug 2007 at 06:07 - 151
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoXiFy
I love Gail. She's on my side. Ban everyone that has more than 1 armbrace, and anyone that has more than 200ecto.
LOL thats right ban everybody richer than u right? while i find it hard to believe ppl haveing over 100 armbraces, it is understandable for ppl to have over 200 ectos. its relaly not hard actually.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

14 Aug 2007 at 06:08 - 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
I don't know. In most cases they probably knew what was going on, but I can't help but feel somewhere there are some kids that were given a gift not knowing the value of what they were given, and now are banned.
I was thinking that, too. One or two people tops might have taken bids without knowing just how valuable the armbraces are. Without a proper amount of knowledge, you could know about armbraces, and know they are rare, but not know just how valuable they are. An offer of 250 for a rare minipet they may have gotten lucky enough to get somehow (say a grawl from the tradeshow), might sound reasonable enough to be real, and high enough to know they won't get better elsewhere.

Though, like I said, one or two people tops. Generally, people dealing with high-end trades know what things are worth and know that many armbraces is ridiculous. But I do feel bad for those one or two people...

GloryFox

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

14 Aug 2007 at 06:09 - 153
The lack of personal responsibility and blame someone else for what "YOU and YOU know who YOU are" did is appalling. Ignorance is not bliss in game or reality.

Take responsibility for your actions and get a life and keep it real people.

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 06:11 - 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
LOL thats right ban everybody richer than u right? while i find it hard to believe ppl haveing over 100 armbraces, it is understandable for ppl to have over 200 ectos. its relaly not hard actually.
I was just picking numbers. By the way, it was funning pwning the leader of out old old alliance [CCCP] in HA today. xD

Lothmorg

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

14 Aug 2007 at 06:12 - 155
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Swift
4: I had no real idea myself how much an armbrace was worth in this game until this issue - many other players surely are in the same boat. Had I been offered one for 50k or even as a gift I would have known I was getting a good deal but I never would have realized how much of a good deal. If I had a rare mini and was offered a 1000 armbraces for it, I probably would not have realized the discrepancy. I collect certain things and know the price for them but anything else would simply leave me in the dark.
This is the first I've heard about something being worth so much.
I usually stay out of the elite areas. I've never even had a single ecto either.
I'm sure there are lots of people in the same boat as me. Of course, I'd never pay more than 20K for anything...
Glad you caught the ... individuals, although it hardly affects a tightwad such as me.

imkey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Green and Pink

Mo/

14 Aug 2007 at 06:13 - 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayne Despair
No one in our guild had an armbrace.
lol.... and how do you KNOW this? You don't have the logs, sorry, ANET has the logs.

If you think you KNOW this or assert this to be true based on faith or trust in your guildies... lol... can i say gullible?

you guys should just stop posting here really...deal with ANET's support. only they can help you.

I am sure ANET keeps permanent records of almost all ingame actions except movement information, skill activation, and some others which would be too data intensive.

Patrick Smit

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

NiTe

14 Aug 2007 at 06:13 - 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Westofeden
The whole banning situation of our guild wasn't about armbraces seeing as how no one in the guild had or has more than 1 armbrace at a time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayne Despair
No one in our guild had an armbrace. I never had an armbrace...i'm not even to the point of the game where i can do so. I just want things to be fair...and I know that for some people, things aren't fair. Not for one second will i stick up for those who have blatantly duped, but I WILL stick up for those who helped me through prophecies last month and for those who were still helping me do bonuses that i missed.

these people know who they are, and i hope their ban is not a permanent one.
You say 5 people of your guild got banned, Most likely Anet had reasons to do so, how do you know they are free of sins? Because my neighbor can't be a child molester, he is an exemplary teacher at our elementary school! It is difficult to be objective when friends are concerned. But, even when it didn't involve arm braces (on these characters/accounts), they had something that triggered the watchdogs of the database curators. Trust me, trust no one except yourself, and be even wary of that as your ideas/perceptions are so easily adapted to fit the nice "truth". I don't judge you or your guildies, Anet did, and they found a few of you to be most likely involved in activities that breach the EULA.

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

14 Aug 2007 at 06:14 - 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoXiFy
I was just picking numbers. By the way, it was funning pwning the leader of out old old alliance [CCCP] in HA today. xD
Not to jump off track but yeah, most of our best regular players arent playing now. still, losing is pretty bad. gg.

NoXiFy

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

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The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

14 Aug 2007 at 06:16 - 159
Quote:
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
Not to jump off track but yeah, most of our best regular players arent playing now. still, losing is pretty bad. gg.
=o maybe they got banned. all members of gank should be banned for being so damn leetzor.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

14 Aug 2007 at 06:17 - 160
hmmmmm i cant get over this picture.... sorry gotta share it here... again....

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...3456/gw666.jpg

Anet is fixing it, thats all we ingame need to worry about.... flaming ppl and Anet get no results, u would think 2 yrs into the game more ppl would realize this.

As Anet and Gaile has stressed, as they weed threw the ppl banned or not banned, more ppl will be unbanned and others banned I am sure.

Let them do their work.

End of story.