Mass-Banning

Hi

Sorry to take away your time, but I feel like I have to comment on this.

1. Many armbrace's was dumped to the marked.
2. There is people who did that duping for a long time - slow but secure.
3. There is chines gold farmers and other scam wiht thousands of accounts.

You are saying that you can't move 1g without you knowing about the issue? How come sale of gold for real money goes like never before? You do nothing about it, you do nothing about guildwars fan sites who has ad's from randyrun.com and other gold trader?... And yet you say - this is a issue we are fighting. If you can't ban those who got 2,000k transfered - how can you be even near of being abel to track 1g?

I can't possible imagine that you have record of each 1g movement or anything for that matter that goes beyond 2-3 month. If you system was so insane good as you say it is - why would we need to report anything at all? If it was true you had stopped gold sale, armbrace duplicates and bots for that matter. Yet they are there and actions Anet take is to scare away people - and is not aim to solve the issue it self. Just a PR trick.

When it comes to armbrace's dumped into the marked. Okey you banned guys with with 100 of those. I have been playing GW for 27 month and collected around 400-500 ecto in that time. Maybe I am bad player who can't farm, but I think its not that bad. With average price of armbrace of 100k+50ecto that means that 7+ armbraces will give more gold then anyone could possibly make legit way! So even 7 armbrace's is a problem, not 100.

And when it comes to people as you say who have trade 1-2 armbrace's. To face the fact its "possible" to buy a CD-Key ingame for about 100k or something like that. Armbrace is 350-400k - thats 4 accounts. People could create 4-5 accounts, store 2-3 armbrace on each without even touching their main account.

You make it sounds like banning of account is a big deal. For players like me who spend 2,500 hours in game - it's more of a big deal, its devastating. But for people who practice in-game-gold sale and are familiar with how ban's works - it just a cost they calculate into the armbrace's they are getting. And I know that many players do have several accounts from the time when storage space was limited.

What Anet did, specially they way it was done - in hidden forums, update's without notice's and nothing on the main page... For me it looks like the only intention Anet has is to scare people who did find this to be a problem, keep it hidden from general public in hope that posts about a few ban's will make illusion of a real solution.

I see nothing on guildwars.com or players.guildwars.com. Has guildwarsguru become official "bounding" connection Anet -> User's? Why dont you use your own websites? You even have 3. This smells like a bad cover up attempt. That fails.

PS: I have been playing GW for a long time now, since day 1. Do I want to play it now? No.

Maybe because the main people in our guild have been friends for a long time and some know each other in real life. If any of us had 1750 armbraces, we would not make ourselves look like that fool Chunky.

One of the people that was banned was standing in our guild hall afk and then she logged off and the next morning- banned. She didn't even know of the armbrace duping fiasco and thought it was a mistake because she got the account 2nd hand.

Oh yeah, sorry forgot to mention, we are all taking the necessary steps with the Support ticket.

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Gaile don't let yourself get worked up about this.

You are doing a good job, the only thing really important is to have a system in place where the really innocent have a chance to tell their story and have it checked out.

As i was explaining to ppl in-game every ban can still be considered temporary because the accounts have not yet been deleted and it can be reversed.

On a final note, i am amazed about the greed in this game, i am standing in Ascalon-1-int right now and ppl have been rushing in since yesterday trying to buy cheap ambraces or sell their high end stuff.

SHAME OU YOU ALL

It's times like this that one wishes that it were possible and easy for companies to publicly post "you were banned for having 2000 armbraces of truth" in reply to the people who protest innocence.

those of u who got banned obviously deserved it because u obviously had something to do with it, stop trying to play innocent....

omg... i feeling something.. deep in my bowels... its coming... I can't stop it.... *NERD RAGE* "BAN THEM ALL BAN THEM ALL DAMNIT!!!!"




1 week later....

"wait where is everybody? oh yeah we banned them all"

I don't get why people do it in Ascalon. Kamadan is a much better outpost.

That what he/she told. You know the full facts? Maybe she helped transferring goods from mr chuncky here? I'm not aware of all that has been done, but neither are you, how do you know that your mate was not involved before? The duping has been going on sometime. I'll just stress again: Don't trust anyone except yourself, and FACTS. I feel with you, and it is not nice to loose the possibility to play with people you like. If it is really unjust they will be unbanned, I believe so. But if databases show that people helped duping or moved stuff around obviously generated by duping you know they are rightfully banned. You and I have no insight into activities and therefore its best not to conclude and take position in it. The other people of the guild are clean, and thats good.

Your argument is flawed

What kind of point exactly are you trying to make?

We are on vent ALL THE TIME (we are even as I am typing this) so we are alwayyyys talking. We saw her standing in the guild hall up until the time she logged out. And if you are really that mistrusting to every single friend you know then I feel bad for you.

Well there is nothing I can truly to say to prove anyone's innocence on these boards and I intend to stop trying (didn't want to in the first place tbh). We are taking everything through the proper channel so this is just pointless anyway. It is all up to what anet chooses to do and we hope it works out fairly. (And sorry for all this spam, but gotta' stick up for your friends =p)

Kamadan is for 5k inscribable trades. Asc ID1 has been a high-end trade area for a long time.

Seeing how you haven't been banned yet, you're safe.

I can't help but be a little suspicious when 5 people from the same guild suddenly start posting at the same time.

If my guild's practices were called into question, I would call upon the guild leader to make a post. I wouldn't get everyone to try posting as much as they can.

Why did you re-post this? Some questionable information has already been pointed out. Namely, why are you and your cousin on the same IP?

I know everyones all worked up about this whole Duping deal, and Bans of the innocent people, the same thing has happend in D2 and WoW, where innocents have got caught in the way of the thoughts of the GM's. So I guess it all must come down to this...

-Ban those who Defiled the Eula.
-Delete Duped Items Somehow (Item ID Codes etc like D2's RustStorm)
-Have Innocence get a chance to prove they have done nothing wrong by giving exact time and date when they were kicked off/banned and have Anet check into it.
-And last but not least, Blame George Bush for WW3.

Thats what I think should be done at this point in time.

My point is simple - they havent fixed anything. And I am not talking about removing the exploit it self I am sure we have moved above that level of discussion. What Anet does is to make an illusion of them knowing who did what and that they can track even 1g - well imho its bs. What they do is a PR trick. Just look into facts.

I'm usually on TS with my guild. However, I don't tell them everything I do. I commonly will buy an item, then use it later when more people from the guild are on to boast.

Perhaps they did just that; got 250+ Ambraces, and then planned to boast about it later.

eep, don't ban people with over 200 ecto, that includes me :O

Anyway, very nice work from Anet, the mass bannings is an excellent way to remove the scum that ruined Armbraces. I hope that they also continue to ban people who are BUYING the Armbraces.

(Sorry my last little tidbit) Basically with our group of friends, if you are at your computer, you are on our vent. It's more of a habit now then anything. So when the ignorant *bleep* that called our entire guild "dupers" everyone knew about it and had to step in to say something. Except Rayne, she wasn't on vent, she came out of no where lol.

Well regardless of your opinion, it seems according to what players have posted, people who bought duped items are getting banned.

Oh and as for facts, you provided little to no facts at all pertaining to your argument then.

Ever hear of vent? Maybe you should come on in, have a little chat with us. I'd like to see you say all this crap right to our faces.

Whats your server info?

Be careful, it's vent. They can steal your soul with the power of VOIP! That's a dare I would never take up!

*flails arms and runs away*

So, if I read well, the given bans aren't going to be lifted?

~Prof.

Not as if theyre going to give it to me :P

The duping went on longer than just today. I bet you are not on 24/7 for the last few weeks. And she could also not be due updates etc. would make her stand in a different build. STicking with friends is good, but nepotism is bad. If my friends would do something I feel is bad, like criminal acts, scamming, duping, whatever, I would stop affiliating with them at some point. If they were in my guild I would eventually kick em as you want your guild to have a good name, not a bad rep. Trust is something that you confide in easily when young, later you will find that trust must be earned, and not just by giving a cooky. Many people will screw you over, intentionally or intentionally, and I would never have believed that I would quote the following "You are either with us, or against us". People/friends just apathetically ignoring incidents/problems are just screwing you over, because they don't want to become involved, afraid to loose what they have, not caring about you. Should you TRUST those/such people? Take it from me, there are very few people you can trust.

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As I said, my guild has a TS server, which is the same type of thing.

I know how Vent works. I know that it allows near instant chat with other people. That means that you could have easily requested that only one person post, before anyone could have posted.

Guild Leader dismissing claims > random posts by guild members

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that I was amused to find that two OhNo memers just joined these forums to post here (so it seems). That means you had even more time to tell them to stop so you could have only one person post.

...Ppl are cloning items!?!
^_^
You know... you can never really stop the Black Market (and it's many forms)... but yea... there will be a problem when the Insurgents get M8s and the GW hackers become untouchable...

Come on in.

So true Bart so true lol

I would. How else do you hope to create the impression that the majority, or at least a sizeable minority, is on your side? If sufficiently desperate, cheaters who get caught have been known to make several accounts on a single person to agree with each other.

1 armbrace, yeah, I'd probably accept it. 250? Hell no. Something's definitely up. I don't think that I'd suspect duping initially, since there have been many threads and conversations about how it was "impossible in GW". Though I would definitely think something was up. Trade window bug would be my first guess, but if the offer was free, I'd start thinking hack or something. I mean, anything is possible, so someone hacking Anet's servers could happen. Either way, I'd want no part of it, and probably come straight here to GURU and post about it (like someone did).

If it was a friend offering me 250 armbraces out of nowhere, well let's just say I don't have friends like that IRL that play, and I don't trust anyone in-game enough to consider them friends. Anyone else, no chance. And it has nothing to do with "morals" or anything, but rather the fear of the ban-hammer. Same reason I don't take money from the till at my job. Sure, I can look at thousands of dollars in cash sitting there, but I also know that surely I'd be caught if I took it. Morals don't even enter into my mind.

Seriously Guyz,

I vote Chunky Monkey Guild Wars Player of the month!

And before you go ZOMG , think about it:

1. He was so darn insolent to attempt a trade that is worth like 55.000 $ in real world money not caring about people getting suspicious (WOW, would you have that courage?)

2. He got a sweet little picture of this super power trade:
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x...rent=gw666.jpg
(unfortunately, he only got 3 out of 5 "roxxor" points not posting the picture himself. Btw Max Gladius what did he want to buy/ trade? your festival tickets? that would definitely give him another "roxxor" point!)

3. He was a Wammo! (left bottom corner of Maxs wonderful picture if you don't believe me)

4. He even comes to the forums and under the same name as ingame. The one he used to pull his little trick off. This is so godlike I don't even have words for it (even the Devil wears disguises).

5. He even explains to us, Joe Averages, how he did his magic trick: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ostcount=909)?
(oh well, he pulls the little friend trick, but hey that is just criminals jargon you see, they talk like that).

So tell me is that not reason enough?

P.s. Guyz, we can be very happy that those guyz didn't have a brain...

Some more people that need banning. This seller closed the thread but the thread title says it all

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=wt s+ambrace

@ bandit, couldnt agree moar

So, when do we get the reconnect feature back?

Let me clarify, my cousin has been staying at my place since Sunday. The bans happened on Monday. He's been on his account, via my connection, over my IP, on Sunday.
Get my point now? maybe not, but at least I clarified my point.

Also, I don't even get why people would actually spoil the fun in the game just for some in-game pretties. I'd rather stay out of game and become a millionaire (yea right, like that's gonna happen).

Anyways, seeing as I doubt this issue will be fixed in a proper way. And Gaile's information keeps having loopholes and errors, I'll bid the community a farewell in advance for when I stop posting here for several years (or atleast till GW2 comes out).

I would personally like to thank everyone on this forum who came into our vent who wasn't a complete imbred.

Hey guys.

I got banned permanently for the armbrace-exploit.

I did not clone or duplicate the armbraces.

This is my story:

I was in Ascalon, International district 1.

I saw someone selling armbraces for cheap, 50ecto each.

I bought 6 of them, because I thought I could make some money.

I 5 armbraces for 70 ecto each.

Then, I heard about the exploit, I wasnt really sure if it was true. But I sold my last armbrace for 55 ecto.

Then, I tried to log in:

You have been banned for an in-game exploit. This ban is Permanent. [Code=45].

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So, my question is now, am I really banned for permanent?
Or: if this is true, can I get unbanned then?

I've sent a support message to Ncsoft.

~Prof.

I'm guessing for the next few days maybe weeks there'll be a lot of "I got banned! help me pls!" threads. Good thing really, I'm so fed up of "Oh no! There're bots every where" threads.