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The Lurch

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Guilds are for yuppies.

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17 Aug 2007 at 02:11 - 41

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

...so excuse me for thinking that Guild Wars should at least consider alternative armor choices. What was I thinking?

Oh yes...I was considering that Guild Wars is just a game thus this being the whole reason why all the women look stellar when in real life...not all women have flat tummies with a kicking upper and lower attachments that are constantly flaunted.

Oh well! [/INDENT]

Lol, just to start out, I love arguing. No, I'm serious. I will continue supporting my views until the forum moderators close this. Now, onto my argument.

If you dont want to "flaunt your stuff" in RL, dont. Im not saying GW is the cause for women looking stellar, quite the contrary. I dont think the elementalist women are "hot" because I know what they are, pixels. People (not just men, dont forget that) are ALWAYS going to be perverted....how do i say this?...fuller(?) clothing is not going to change this.

And, I'm with you on changing armor, I just think ANet is busy screwing up the game with EotN and GW2, I dont think they have time for rational things like revamping the armor. I WOULD like to see some more female (and male) armor that covers up the body more, looking at skanky clothing gets old...real fast. Especially on pixels.

But the point I was trying to make is that, sadly enough, this wont be changed and I think you should ignore it. Not everyone thinks its degrading to women. Like I said in my old post, the world is degenerating like a warrior with four Illusion mesmers on him. But seriously, it is a game. I think if you dont like it, dont play it. I play GW (on a male assassin btw, not a female, just thought i would throw that out) because i like the gameplay and the strategy involved, not to oogle at pixels.

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

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17 Aug 2007 at 02:19 - 42

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

jhu,

Clearly the box is set for "T", but I was able to purchase Fable set at "M" at the age of 16 so in conclusion I would have to say that Wal*Mart or any other game sellers are going to make a sell and sometimes not check for ID (or even check the box for rating). So who is to say that an older looking pre-teen wouldn't be able to purchase the latest Guild Wars game using their birthday money or christmas cash?

M is 15+ to the best of my recollection. (Might be different where you live.)

Anyway, my opinion is: MEH!

Besides it's all Adam and Eve's fault we're wearing clothes at all. Supposedly.

MithranArkanere

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17 Aug 2007 at 02:20 - 43

I know many women that play games.

They almost always choose the eye-catching and elegant armor rather than the strong looking armor.

I smell more 'fake morals' that anything else in this thread.
Are you going to assault all the museuns and throw black paint in all pictures showing female bodies?
Or breaking all statues featurin nudity?

In my country children start going to museums from elementary school, and no one complaints about them looking 'marble boobies'.

Armors in GW are, avobe everything else, ART. Art created by conceptual artists.

moonmonday

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

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17 Aug 2007 at 02:47 - 44

My opinion is, it should be equal-opportunity exploitation or none at all. I'm glad that the Paragon is a rather nice piece of fanservice to us who like to look at pretty guys in pretty armour, but at the same time it is indeed ridiculous that so much female armour shows so much skin. The reason I haven't made a female Elementalist is because so much of their armour isn't armour at all, and personally I don't really feel the desire to look at some woman with green hair traipsing around in scarcely more than beach togs.

I wouldn't mind it so much if the male armour wasn't so all-covering. Most professions, the male armours cover everything from head to toe and leave everything to the imagination. How is that fair? Women and gay and bisexual men play this game too, y'know. I'm a little tired of game developers assuming that the only audience is straight heterosexual sex-crazed males...that's pretty insulting to heterosexual males, but really insulting too for the rest of us!

Honestly, this isn't really a question of art. Yes, artists did design the armours, artists did do the concept art for the game and such, but this is a question of knowing your audience and appealing properly to said audience. They're currently only giving a concerted effort to appeal to the usual horny straight teenage male demographic, and the rest of the world can go jump in the lake. That isn't uncommon with game developers, but it is unwise with MMORPG developers since they tend to get a more diverse audience and playerbase. So this isn't about art...it's about catering to your audience and not objectifying a large percentage of your players who don't want to be objectified...or at least making it equal-opportunity skin.

It's just funny to me how one of the ultimate Mesmer armours, for example, is a negligee for the females, but a full suit for the males. Why aren't we seeing an armour with the males running around in silk boxer shorts and sandals, hmm? It's only fair.

Dervish Gnome

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17 Aug 2007 at 02:58 - 45

The Lurch,

Well, we have our love of arguing in common and we at least agree that changing armor wouldn't be a bad thing. I'm with you on ANET screwing things up, but I look forward to GW2.

I still won't give up hope of there ever being actual armor that will be exactly as it should be...armor...armor that looks like it can protect a person better than a piece of pretty cloth.

MithranArkanere,

Armor that covers can be eye-catching and elegant. I'll give you that creating armor is a type of art, but I didn't see Monalisa sporting a bikini.

The Lurch

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Guilds are for yuppies.

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:05 - 46

Yes, someone who enjoys arguing as much as me...awesome...

But like I said, its not only the female armor that is not actual armor. My armor for example, is 15k Luxon. Very nice, but in RL my assassin would look as though he just went through a paper shredder after a real fight. im thinking EotN will put more covering armors out...primarly because its cold up north?

And Moonmonday is kinda right...i kinda agree with her...there ARE females/gays/bisexuals/whaterver in the game, and some armors should appeal to them.

And I will play GW2 with ya, Gnome, but I still think ANet is screwing the game up.

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:08 - 47

What I'm hearing from you is both:

I'm not saying 'its too revealing so change all the armor', i just want variety...

and then

But there are 10 year olds playing the game :0

What are you getting at? do you think its too revealing or not? because currently theres nothing visually inappropriate, otherwise this game wouldnt be rated T.

moonmonday

Ascalonian Squire

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:17 - 48

I think a visual appeal is very important, and I don't think it's necessary that the armour look like it could actually hold up in a fight (although in many cases, the characters' intrinsic abilities can explain some modicum of this away); however, there is a large gulf between male and female armour sets, and it's as simple as that.

My two cents is: I don't care about 10 year olds playing, as if they're playing a Teen-rated game then they're doing so with the implicit approval of their parents (and if not, then it's their parents' faults for not paying more attention anyway); we shouldn't have to cater to them or be concerned about them, as adult gamers ourselves.

I do like variety too. I'm very glad to see, finally, a DRESS-like outfit for female Necromancers in Nightfall, which I am currently working to get, and I was also glad to see that the male equivalent was very dandy and fine. But there overall hasn't been enough flash from male armours, and I mean that both in terms of colour and in terms of showing skin. I like pretty and visual. Guys that like to look at pretty female characters shouldn't be the only ones who get any joy in this game.

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:25 - 49

I have never met anyone before who shares the views on female armor. You're the first, Dervish Gnome.

It is quite sickening, the female Elementalist armor becoming skimpier and skimpier as the chapters progress.

IMO it's stupid perverted teenage males that ruin the game for everyone. If you can't contain yourself, then log off and do what you need to do. What you're doing to that poor Mesmer over there is making everyone in a 5000 mile radius more stupid.

When will Anet realize that not it's hard to support two giant breasts on skinny legs in high heels?

The person *cough*MALE*cough who developed female elementalist armor needs to tie 5-pound weights around his chest and run around on his toes.

Dervish Gnome

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:27 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

What I'm hearing from you is both:

I'm not saying 'its too revealing so change all the armor', i just want variety...

and then

But there are 10 year olds playing the game :0

What are you getting at? do you think its too revealing or not? because currently theres nothing visually inappropriate, otherwise this game wouldnt be rated T.

TheLordOfBlah,

I'm saying that the clothing is too revealing, but to just introduce some alternatives...not get rid of whatever is already created because I know that some players love the armor. After stating this I then thought about how many pre-teens play the game and how I wouldn't want my young cousins exposed to the elementalist upper shaker no matter if it is pixel (because it is rather close to what the real thing looks like). I really don't want to hear my cousins asking about "Do they really look like that?"

Anyways, like I have said before I would like to see new options in the armor department even it is strictly Elementalist who get the armor.

Sli Ander

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:32 - 51

I will (almost) always sign for more armor variety, though lately I've been having to put the disclaimer "maybe in GW2" on most of my posts.
For instance I prefer the long coat style of collectors armor, but preferred the versatility of the other armors. I compromised and got Druids, but it wouldn't have hurt to have some other armor skins to choose from. I don't have Nightfall, but I've looked at all the armor pictures and must say they did quite a fine job on some of those designs.

Besides, the more variety they get in armor choices the less chance your character has of looking like a clone of someone elses. Even if its something as simple as "for every 2 skimpy outfits(or choose a style) we'll give 1 of X type as well" it would be nice(kinda even out the choices a bit more)

But that's just my two cents

Dervish Gnome

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:38 - 52

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I have never met anyone before who shares the views on female armor. You're the first, Dervish Gnome.

When will Anet realize that it's hard to support two giant breasts on skinny legs in high heels?

The person *cough*MALE*cough who developed female elementalist armor needs to tie 5-pound weights around his chest and run around on his toes.

Taurucis,

That is entirely funny and so true. I'm glad to see that a handful of players seem to agree with me or at least acknowlege that new armor would be a good idea.

Graphik Desine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:46 - 53

lolol. see, this is why i made my main characters male...to prevent running into any of these types of problems, especially the creepy cyber whispers :P

it might be too late for you now, gnome, but a good way to see if the characters you create are going to have revealing or even really NEAT armor---is by looking on the armor pages of fansites first, even though it may be a spoiler, it'll add a few years to all of our life exectancies XD

that's what i did with all my chars after i made my female ele...learned from mistakes ._.

grottoftl

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17 Aug 2007 at 03:50 - 54

you people who are offended by the armor looks should really let this go and lighten up. i am a girl and this doesnt really bother me because its just a game quit bringing real life issues into games. crusade your issues to where it is appropriate like the adult entertainment industry or modeling industry where those involve real people dressing in revealing clothing, whatever. not in the gaming world, a PIXELATED COMPUTER GENERATED world where the characters are not real. seriously stop bringing your issues into games or you will become just like Jack Thompson.

DreamRunner

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17 Aug 2007 at 04:03 - 55

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

TheLordOfBlah,

I'm saying that the clothing is too revealing, but to just introduce some alternatives...not get rid of whatever is already created because I know that some players love the armor. After stating this I then thought about how many pre-teens play the game and how I wouldn't want my young cousins exposed to the elementalist upper shaker no matter if it is pixel (because it is rather close to what the real thing looks like). I really don't want to hear my cousins asking about "Do they really look like that?"

Anyways, like I have said before I would like to see new options in the armor department even it is strictly Elementalist who get the armor.

They are alternatives, a lot in fact that was mentioned previously. You are just overreacting, its true. And from your posts, you should stop with the sexist comments that you have made previously. Same with Fighterdoken with his\her post, that you Dervish Gnome also had agree with.

But these cousins of yours, I do wonder if you will take them to a fashion show where largely, a lot of skin is shown, yet they are at the HEIGHT of the female fashion. Strange, yes? And yet where would people get idea's from to set up there characters for clothing... from a general clothes store? Or from people who are in fashion business and are setting the tends for a lot of girls and women.

But Anet has put T for teens, its the retails fault on how the game is being sold.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

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N/Mo

17 Aug 2007 at 04:05 - 56

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Originally Posted by Fighterdoken

What i really don't understand is how they can expect us to think that a gladiator set of armor on a female can provide the same armor rating that a full plate obsidian armor. I mean, with all that meat exposed, you would think that they are a little easier to hit (no pun intended).
(and if they come with the "it's magic armor", well, a whole full plate set of that same magic armor should be available providing even higher AC)

Well, with the implementation of all armours being inscribed, yes, it is magic that gives you the armor. Seriously, for all we know Platemail is made of Tin.

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Originally Posted by The_Seraphim

I'm not saying there should not be more conservative options for you, just simply the characteristics of the Norn race suggest that they would be rather "revealing" in their clothing choice.

QFT

Look at the male norn. None of them wear shirts. Would you prefer that Jora do the same?

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Originally Posted by Sugr

Again it's not armor we get to pick it's Hero Armor that is already chosen. Yes chars get tp pic their own but when no choice there again a line needs to be set. Why keep going back to old armor? We are talking about a game to come not previous.

Use Koss and Goren.

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

If the game is indeed for 18+ then please explain to me why I see so many 13 and under players? Oh yes...because Guild Wars is T for teens meaning 13 and older...and yet pre-teens get ahold of the game too. So no...the game is not +18. So having standards and wishing to be more than eye candy has automatically labeled this thread as a bible group seeking comfort in Guild Wars? I know that's not exactly what you typed, but it seems to link very well.

It's their parents' fault for permitting them to play a game intended for more mature people.

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Clearly the box is set for "T", but I was able to purchase Fable set at "M" at the age of 16 so in conclusion I would have to say that Wal*Mart or any other game sellers are going to make a sell and sometimes not check for ID (or even check the box for rating). So who is to say that an older looking pre-teen wouldn't be able to purchase the latest Guild Wars game using their birthday money or christmas cash?

It's not the store's fault, it's the Parents'. Were I a lawyer, I would work with video game cases just so I could tell that to parents.

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

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[CRFH]

17 Aug 2007 at 04:11 - 57

I just came over from... probably the same thread Taurucis came from in the GWEN forum... and as another heterosexual male, I'm going to come in on the side of choice here. There's nothing inherently wrong with having the skimpy outfits - it's having no choice but the skimpy outfits that's the problem. At the moment, the worst offenders seem to be Jora and the female Nightfall elementalists (one joke I've made is the fake advertising slogan "ArenaNet: Making female elementalists sluttier since 2005!") - the former because as yet we don't know of any alternatives, and the latter because a player of a female elementalist who only has Nightfall has no alternatives to the skimpy outfits until they reach the Bone Palace - which is well into the second half of the storyline! (And the suggestion of getting FoW armour is even worse, given the time sink that getting even one full set of FoW represents - but that's going off on a tangent, given that there are plenty of acceptable outfits that can be acquired more easily). Oh, yeah, and Paragons, where the only options that don't have an "aim sword here" gap around the naval are the male Vabbian and Elonian sets.

Besides, I actually find women in proper clothing to be more attractive - maybe because there's more mystery to it, or maybe because it's showing that they have the self-respect to know they don't have to have the stripper look to be attractive.

On children and the like - I think the issue here isn't one about them playing, but about them being around while you're playing. Sure, the game is aimed at a higher age group, but some people of the age group that it is aimed at may want to be able to play without having to lock themselves away from any kids that may be around (or anyone else they'd feel ashamed at having see scantily-dressed characters on the screen) even if that means they have to hench it all the time.

To summarise: We're not saying that other players should be denied the choice to have characters in scanty outfits - just that everyone should also have the choice to have characters that are properly dressed as well - and that this should be the case from the first time they upgrade from starter armour.

PS:

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Originally Posted by Curse You

Use Koss and Goren

That's exactly what I said I'd do in another thread - when I get the option. Heck, normally when I'm on my own, I use the warrior hench - Devona does the job well enough, and Lukas and the warrior Seaguard even better, while some of the other professions require more customisation and are hence better uses for the three hero slots.

However, I suspect that like every hero in Nightfall except the Olias, Zenmai, Razah and the Acolytes, there will be quests and missions where you're forced to bring Jora.

B E A S T

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anywhere but Guild Wars now, sadly.

It's a shame, this game had so much potential, but is ruined due to stale gameplay and lame updates

17 Aug 2007 at 04:22 - 58

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

you people who are offended by the armor looks should really let this go and lighten up. i am a girl and this doesnt really bother me because its just a game quit bringing real life issues into games. crusade your issues to where it is appropriate like the adult entertainment industry or modeling industry where those involve real people dressing in revealing clothing, whatever. not in the gaming world, a PIXELATED COMPUTER GENERATED world where the characters are not real. seriously stop bringing your issues into games or you will become just like Jack Thompson.

THANK YOU! Honestly, correct me if I am wrong OP, but I think this thread is about seeking attention. Female Ele armor is just the same as or more modest then any bikini you see during the summer. Not just men like those bikinis, women like them too [thats why they where them]. Female gamers that I know dont have a problem with this at all, they see it as a game and get whatever armor looks good to them.

OP, if you are offended by playing Guild Wars when someone walks into the room because of some female armor, ask yourself this. Would they be embarresed if they went to the swimming pool or walked on the beach?

grottoftl

Academy Page

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17 Aug 2007 at 04:32 - 59

one more thing I like to add when you call the armor designs disgusting you are insulting the art team and their work. they spent so much time and effort trying to come up with various designs and you just spit on them. criticism is good and all but you are critizing them wrongfully. ever heard artists like to express themselves in their work? oh and fun fact back in old roman times, roman soldiers only equipped themselves with a shield, weapon and a helmet they had no body armor. they fought in the battlefield completely nude and having less armor showed a sign of bravery and helped them to better manuver

whats wrong with the bare human body? why should we feel ashame of it? the human body is beautiful and you people live in a society with morales too high. back in the ancient days everyone back then walked around partially or fully nude and no one was bothered it

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

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N/Mo

17 Aug 2007 at 04:33 - 60

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

On children and the like - I think the issue here isn't one about them playing, but about them being around while you're playing. Sure, the game is aimed at a higher age group, but some people of the age group that it is aimed at may want to be able to play without having to lock themselves away from any kids that may be around (or anyone else they'd feel ashamed at having see scantily-dressed characters on the screen) even if that means they have to hench it all the time.

Usually, I have my view as far away as possible so I can see as much of the battlefield as possible. I can hardly tell what anyone is wearing. Since you can only really see heroes in Explorable areas, I don't see a problem.

If you're concerned about people walking in, then I don't see why your not concerned about little children walking in while their dad is browsing Playboy.com or something.

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

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17 Aug 2007 at 04:37 - 61

lol, funny people.

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Originally Posted by The_Seraphim

Just wanted to make a quick little interjection regarding the appearance of Jora... a Norn warrior. (Jora meaning Lord in Norwegian) Typical "Viking" appearance tends to lean her outfit and appearance towards a rather revealing end. I'm not saying there should not be more conservative options for you, just simply the characteristics of the Norn race suggest that they would be rather "revealing" in their clothing choice.

erm... warrior? hand to hand combat ..in the mountains? tends to be cold. last time i checked "vikings" were not running round nearly stark naked in the snow.

to the OP, this is a problem that you will run into with most "Fantasy" setting media.
The movie industry is greatly responsible for this (conan, red sonja...) and even though it was not (always) the case in the novelised form, the representation of the main protagonists in cinema needed to be erm...appealling to the target audience (young males).

Hollywood being the main cultural influence in the US we can now see the results of this in other media formats. People are simply not going to understand why it should be any differrent unless they stop to think about it *which they wont because its normal to them and thus; expected.

Im sure the artists in Anet know this, but so does marketing. You are fighting a battle that is already lost, you have every right to be offended by it..well not offended more like irritated im guessing from your general tone, and i fully support your endevour to raise the issue with Anet. But they they know, and they wanna make money.

Sad to say you are probably going to be flamed over and over with the same kind of "dont like it dont play" or "omg freedom" arguments.

Don't get me wrong, im a guy and i have a female char because it's nicer to look at. But i do wish that her so called "armour" didnt have so many HOLES in it....i mean shes fighting Demons and monsters who basically want to kill everyone on this plane of existance. In the freezing snow or on an exploding volcanic island. wearing.....clubwear? (while my warrior friend there looks like Iron Man or one of the power rangers in full battle armour).

Lilanthe

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17 Aug 2007 at 04:40 - 62

The funniest thing though, is that in the Nightfall Making Of, one of the armor "creator" interviewed was a woman, and she was saying how she loved working on female armors (and on her monitor we could see an elementalist model, I don't remember which armor though... I think it was 15k sunspear)

Dervish Gnome

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17 Aug 2007 at 04:46 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

To summarise: We're not saying that other players should be denied the choice to have characters in scanty outfits - just that everyone should also have the choice to have characters that are properly dressed as well - and that this should be the case from the first time they upgrade from starter armour.

draxynnic,

Thank you kindly for wrapping up this entire thread into that paragraph. That is what I am trying to say. Don't deny the other players of the more showy armor, but at least have the option of a more conservative look.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

You are just overreacting, its true

Again I will say that overreacting would be me demanding that all revealing armor be banned/done away with/deleted/ect. Instead I am simply asking for other choices to be added. Is there something wrong with wanting a character that actually looks well protected?

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

But these cousins of yours, I do wonder if you will take them to a fashion show where largely, a lot of skin is shown, yet they are at the HEIGHT of the female fashion.

Considering that my cousins are male I doubt they would show interest in a fashion show. I happen to find many fashionable items that don't scream "Look at my skin and my neatly pierced belly button."

Curse You,

If it will help you understand better what I'm trying to get at then completely remove the children playing guild wars from the equation. Now allow me to say this...

I'm a female gamer who doesn't like to dress skimpy, has self-respect, and prides herself on being more proper than not. I would like my character to transmit at least one of those things because I have received comments from male players about "Want to cyber?" "What are you wearing?" "Will you dance for me?" while I'm sitting in an outpost with other friends. I find these comments to be disturbing and annoying. I feel as though wearing skimpy armor brings about those disgusting comments and no matter how many screenshots I send to ANET I feel like nothing is done.

I have tried playing as a male character before, but he was quickly deleted simply because I did not like playing as something I'm not. I feel more attached to a character when I'm playing a character I can relate to. If I can relate to that character then I'm more likely to continue playing under that character. That may sound strange, but it's the way it goes.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

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17 Aug 2007 at 05:01 - 64

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Curse You,

If it will help you understand better what I'm trying to get at then completely remove the children playing guild wars from the equation. Now allow me to say this...

I'm a female gamer who doesn't like to dress skimpy, has self-respect, and prides herself on being more proper than not. I would like my character to transmit at least one of those things because I have received comments from male players about "Want to cyber?" "What are you wearing?" "Will you dance for me?" while I'm sitting in an outpost with other friends. I find these comments to be disturbing and annoying. I feel as though wearing skimpy armor brings about those disgusting comments and no matter how many screenshots I send to ANET I feel like nothing is done.

I have tried playing as a male character before, but he was quickly deleted simply because I did not like playing as something I'm not. I feel more attached to a character when I'm playing a character I can relate to. If I can relate to that character then I'm more likely to continue playing under that character. That may sound strange, but it's the way it goes.

I play mainly female characters. The only time I have ever had people "coming onto" my female players was in Pre-Searing, when I used to play on American Servers. After I changed to European Servers, I have never encountered someone who wasn't joking (and everyone knew) when they "came onto" a female character.

Unless they are saying things that are actually offensive (the "C" word), then it's just a case of an immature player.

If you want less revealing armour, there are options out there for every profession. If you find Paragon armour too revealing, I can't help but think that you're either looking at different armour from me, or your morals are set way too high for a video game.

If you think this is too revealing, you should go to a High School in September and look at what most girls are wearing.

Dervish Gnome

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17 Aug 2007 at 05:10 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curse You

If you think this is too revealing, you should go to a High School in September and look at what most girls are wearing.

Curse You,

No, I do not think that is too revealing because I can't see "side boob" nor is her upper thigh closest to her southern area clearly show.

You all are more than welcome to mock, flame, or tease me about my request. It really doesn't bother me. I actually find it very flattering that you are all taking time out of your online fun to post in this thread. So by all means...continue.

DreamRunner

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

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17 Aug 2007 at 05:26 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

draxynnic,

Again I will say that overreacting would be me demanding that all revealing armor be banned/done away with/deleted/ect. Instead I am simply asking for other choices to be added. Is there something wrong with wanting a character that actually looks well protected?

Considering that my cousins are male I doubt they would show interest in a fashion show. I happen to find many fashionable items that don't scream "Look at my skin and my neatly pierced belly button."

But they ARE other choices. Nearly the whole female warrior collection has many, many nice choices. I do play a female warrior and I use 15k luxon. Because I think its a very nice armour. You also got 15k sunspear, 15k kurzick, anciant armour, prime evil armour, 15k canthan, 15k char hide armour, 15k dragon, 15k plate armour, 1.5k plate armour, 1.5k charr hide, 1.5 templar, 1.5k dragon, 1.5k canthan, 1.5k kurzick, 1.5k sunspear and FoW armour.

Thats just warrior alone. While the elementalist does more clothing that is very much so shows more skin, I do not think its skanky or skimpy. Its to do with the fact that during the long history of fantasy is that the elementalist is something slim, beautiful and is absolutely sexy. I do think that Anet was troubled by this and did try to put in more less revealing armour. eg. FoW armour.

But like this this picture? its skimpy, yes? But I am confused why it is in a fashion show at all. Is it just a one of off thing? Or a rare sight to see?

Winterclaw

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17 Aug 2007 at 05:29 - 67

The OP is kidding right? At least half the female armor types don't show all that much skin. For warriors, it's glads that could be said to really show anything. Sure some necro scar patterns and monk tattoo armor show a lot, but it ain't all that attractive.

I'd say overall this game is pretty balanced in your options as far as showing off is concerned.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

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17 Aug 2007 at 05:30 - 68

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Curse You,

No, I do not think that is too revealing because I can't see "side boob" nor is her upper thigh closest to her southern area clearly show.

How about these?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:M...gray_front.jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:M...gray_front.jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:M...gray_front.jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:E...ay_front.jp g
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:M...gray_front.jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:A...ndye_front.jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:R...gray_front.jpg

If I look at all of the starter armours for each campaign, I can see at least one set that is not too revealing. The only exception to this is possibly the Elonian Elementalist starter armours. With there being at least 1 set that can be worn from the start, I don't see any problems.

draxynnic

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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17 Aug 2007 at 05:40 - 69

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Originally Posted by Curse You

If you're concerned about people walking in, then I don't see why your not concerned about little children walking in while their dad is browsing Playboy.com or something.

Simply put, because I don't think anyone on my side of the argument is expecting to be browsing Playboy (or the equivalent on the other side of the gender divide, if there is one) where there'll be a reasonable expectation that a small child may walk in.

Personally, for the points of this argument, I don't care if there are people out there who browse pornography while bouncing 5-year-olds on their knee and pointing out all the "good bits" as they go. Nor do I really care if there are parents who allow preteens to play GW in order to perv on the female characters in skimpy outfits. I may consider them to be irresponsible (especially the first, admittedly extreme, example), but that's their choice.

What other people choose to do is their business, and irrelevant to this discussion. Person A may not care what children see them doing, but that doesn't mean Person B who does care should be restricted to not playing certain classes unless the area can be reasonably assumed to be kid-free. Nor does it mean that Person C who gets disturbed by being hit on due to scanty outfits should have no choice but to put up with it. I know that there is the option to report players, but sometimes something isn't worth reporting but is still annoying, and having an armour option less susceptible to cat-calling means you probably won't have to go through the hassle in the first place.

With all this, ANet does actually deserve some praise - on the whole, they've only skimmed across the "when it comes to female armour, less is more" trope rather than diving headlong into it like some MMORPGs - with stats decoupled from armour skins, once you get access to the less revealing outfits you never have to face the situation all-too-common in some games where eschewing the skimpy outfit is putting your character at a mechanical disadvantage. However, there is certainly room for improvement on the gaining access side, especially with the examples I listed in my post above.

Simply making the "Tyrian" set available on Istan, for instance, would make me a lot more comfortable about recommending Nightfall to a female gamer that might be looking to play an Elementalist (unless, of course, I had a good idea beforehand that she would go for the scanty stuff), without requiring much effort on ANet's part. Sure, they'll see others wearing the scanty stuff, but with a quick donation of gold and materials they'll be able to choose something different as soon as they reach Kamadan.

tmakinen

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17 Aug 2007 at 06:17 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

the last time I checked 10 year olds shouldn't be exposed to breasts or other various regions of a woman

Are we talking about the two approximately hemispherical things that most people get exposed to from the tender age of a couple of minutes old onwards, right after getting most intimately exposed to those even 'naughtier' regions you mentioned? And why it's ok to show male but not female breasts? You know, in many cases you can't even tell the difference ... it's a giant conspiracy to drive up demand by maintaining an artificial scarcity of supply

Ok, on a more serious vein, I agree with you that some of the available options look rather silly for being purposely titillating. When armor shopping, if possible I go for the more 'authentic' look instead of fanciful but it doesn't really bother me what (if anything) people wear in a virtual environment. And even among my little 'family', different characters have widely varying tastes. You'll never see my female ranger exposed anywhere below the eyes. My female monk shed tears of joy when she finally got the elite sunspear armor with long trousers but she's not above slipping into the old farming tattoos if nobody's around to see. My female ele absolutely loves her Vabbian dress (and thinks that FoW armor looks like some sort of retarded scuba gear) but she Does. Not. Dance. A chacun son gout

Vanessa Dwager

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17 Aug 2007 at 06:58 - 71

I play a female necromancer and a female Warrior. My Warrior is fully armored, no skin except for the face show, as a right minded Warrior should be wearing considering they get hit a lot. My necromancer used to wear skimpy clothes (before she got this air of superiority about her) which makes sense because she's a magic-user. Throughout almost every game casters don't wear a lot of armor, they wear armor to dazzle since their best defense is against other magic (typically).

So I dunno, I've seen some man tit during cinematic I wasn't too happy to see. Lets fix that please >.>

Dervish Gnome

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17 Aug 2007 at 06:59 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmakinen

Ok, on a more serious vein, I agree with you that some of the available options look rather silly for being purposely titillating. When armor shopping, if possible I go for the more 'authentic' look instead of fanciful but it doesn't really bother me what (if anything) people wear in a virtual environment. And even among my little 'family', different characters have widely varying tastes. You'll never see my female ranger exposed anywhere below the eyes. My female monk shed tears of joy when she finally got the elite sunspear armor with long trousers but she's not above slipping into the old farming tattoos if nobody's around to see. My female ele absolutely loves her Vabbian dress (and thinks that FoW armor looks like some sort of retarded scuba gear) but she Does. Not. Dance. A chacun son gout

tmakinen,

Other peoples armor doesn't bother me because if it did I would be asking for it to be done away with.

I find the Vabbi Ele Armor to be great. I find myself reminded of Tinker Bell (possibly due to the skirt).

holababe

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17 Aug 2007 at 07:29 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

OhCrapLions,

If you're not going to be helpful then stay out of this thread because I won't tolerate flaming from someone who can't spell "more".

You make a thread asking for opinions, you lose the right to tell people to shut up. Opinions are both good and bad. Personal attacks won't work.

I really don't care whether female characters get different armor sets that are less revealing. If ANet add it - good for them and everyone who wanted it. If they don't - I don't really mind (yes I do have female characters [2 or them])

However, I reckon male characters should get some revealing armor sets - warrior in Borat style swimsuit FTW

eightyfour-onesevenfive

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17 Aug 2007 at 07:31 - 74

I fail to see the problem here. Do you not know Vallejo's Law?

All sillyness aside, I understand your point, Dervish Gnome. But I think you're taking things a tad too serious and identify yourself with your character just a bit too much. It's just a game after all, as others have said before. But then, I'm male myself.

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

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17 Aug 2007 at 09:05 - 75

Sex and violence sell. Look at society. Video games are not an exception to the rule, if anything, they reinforce it.

While we are talking about being offensive, when my towering warrior brings an axe blow down onto a small, innnocent, lightly covered monk, killing her so that she lets out a moan and falls face first into the dirt, is that really more appropriate for children than something that you can see on any beach OR swimming pool OR mall OR television (or "worse" actually)? How about when my elementalist unleashes a metor on an unsuspecting female warrior as she limps away cause someone crippled her? Damn we better just take female characters out all together! Oh, wait, we can't, cause then someone would complain about it being sexist.

Please...get ahold of yourself. Its like some people can't live if they aren't complaining about something.

counciler132

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17 Aug 2007 at 09:27 - 76

As was said before, Sex Sells. It is a well known fact in America, and especially common in the media. Video Games have a long history of revealing women, and I do not expect any of that to change soon.

As for the ten year olds playing Guild Wars. As was said before, this game was NOT designed for ten year olds. Whether a ten year old can get it is irrelevant. The game clearly states that it is designed for children ages 13 and up. If a parent allows their child to play a teen rated game at the age of ten, they should not be complaining about the content being too mature. Because, in all honesty... its a well known fact that it is mature, hence the reason why it is rated 13 and over.

As for the revealing armor, I agree that there should be more sets of non revealing armor added. Yes, Jora is a blatant sex symbol. The breast armor plates, skimpy loincloth and other such things are purposely designed to elicit a positive response from male gamers. And this is also the reason she is the big marketing lady of GWEN.

Yes sexual aesthetics is an obvious factor in creating the female characters in Guild Wars. From the dances, to the basic animations, to the armors. No, I do not think any of this is out of control. And yes, it cannot hurt to add more sets of armor as you request.

I empathize with your frustration at the current situation, but unfortunately I cannot see ArenaNet changing their marketing tactics. I fully expect to see the same borderline sexist styling in GW2, though as a male gamer, I don't have quite the problem with it as you might. I won't lie.... yes it is a pleasant sight to see the back end of an Elementalist, but you know that. And that just reinforces your argument more.

In a nutshell, I agree with you about all but the ten year old thing. Good luck with your ideas, it would be nice to see a bit more maturity among developers.

iriyabran

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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17 Aug 2007 at 09:52 - 77

i'm a not so amused girl too

i like some skimpy armors but some are just beyond my limits xD
the lack of good armors which don't make my ele look like a s**t is the reason i'm buying fow and it's killing me
damn this is expensive i have only gloves left to buy and i feel like suiciding xD
i hope gw:en will introduce some more serious mage like good looking armor sets (i doubt it xD)
and did u notice with every campaign breasts are getting bigger and bigger
see the shing jea ele armor for example and then the istani (i remember when i saw the elems on the nf preview i though to myself "zomg she needs more inventory space to carry them around")
i don't mind seeing "oriental dancers" around the place if i have something really good and serious to wear myself (now i think ill never wear anything except fow when i get the full set...well maybe 15k geomancer if e get bored

)

Tutis Evito

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17 Aug 2007 at 10:13 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Dear ANET,

It has come to my attention over the course of several months that many of the female armors are a bit revealing. It would seem as though the less a female is wearing the higher the level the armor. Now, being a female gamer I find it a bit disturbing that many of the female characters are depicted as (please take now offense to this) stripclub dancers.

I had been dealing with this in my own way, mostly by playing as a Dervish, but recently I stubbled across a picture of the new Norn HeroJora. Her outfit disgusted me! It left me wondering if there would be anything left to the imagination after the release of GW:EN or GW2. Is it at all possible for you to design armor that is great looking without making me feel like I need to cover up my computer screen everytime someone walks into the room?

I really hope that something could possibly be done. Maybe introducing a "Design Your Armor" contest where contestants can design rather great looking armor without that stripper feel to them?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying to do away with all the rather showy armor...but instead to introduce some armor for the more conservative female gamers who do not like to have warriors following them through towns yelling "Dance for me! I'll pay!!" Not to mention getting the dirty little whispers that makes a woman's spine shiver.

The Concerned Female Gamer...
Dervish Gnome

I have to agree, I am a male player, but morality is a big issue in every industry, and unfortuntly we as a world have been softened to accept more and more immorality, either on TV, Films, and Computer games, i remember when i was younger, here in the UK we had the 'watershed' on TV where before 9pm TV had to be 100% decent...nowadays this 'watershed' doesn't exist.

All we have to do to see evidence of the effect that all this exposure to sex and pornography, weather its soft or even if its scantily clad real/non real is by looking at the young generation of today and compare it to a decade or so ago. Yes the world is chnaging, but it shouldnt chnage our standards or our morality on exposure and sexual content.

Designing your own armour would be hard from a game content side of things, but i fully understand and appricate your view when it comes to this.

I'm not some old time bloke who is caught up in the past, im in my mid twenties, but i still appricaite morality and moral standards. ctr

/rambled on to long

Seissor

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17 Aug 2007 at 10:32 - 79

as a female gamer who knows many female gamers none of them have had an issue with the 15k glad or 15k druid armors which are showy. and most of them own a set of the showy armor for their female toons. its just a game. besides male 15k glad and alotta paragon male armor is very showy. so i dont feel its sexist and i dont think its distgusting

ayame ftw

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17 Aug 2007 at 10:48 - 80

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

populationcontrol,

If the game is indeed for 18+ then please explain to me why I see so many 13 and under players? Oh yes...because Guild Wars is T for teens meaning 13 and older...and yet pre-teens get ahold of the game too. So no...the game is not +18. So having standards and wishing to be more than eye candy has automatically labeled this thread as a bible group seeking comfort in Guild Wars? I know that's not exactly what you typed, but it seems to link very well.

Well, its naive to think that 13 year old should be shielded from revealing clothing. the majority of teenagers start to have sex between 13-16 years in these times... so seeing a computer generated female with little clothes will not be a big chock to most of them.

Your excuse not to play your ele is that u are not at the bone palace yet… wel get there and buy the armor…then u can run around “safly and stop this whining.

And a final note, this topic is pointless if u want to get something changed….
Everyone what’s something, people are never happy with how this game is…
U want more armor that’s not so revealing
An other person wants auction house, more skills, more hero’s , ect
Be happy with what u have/don’t have and stop making topic that will go no where
I can tell u this already…Anet doenst change anything when u ask for it
Even when there are
Multiple polls, t
Topics of 100+ posts on several forums
People threatening to leave the game

Then maybe they will consider of changing something…
In other words live with the armor chooses or stop playing the game