Why, o why is Gwen a mesmer?

Azza

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04 Sep 2007 at 07:44 - 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by upier
The mistake is that you're trying to build a reputation of a class based on something as broken as solo farming. And you keep repeating that.

Ohh and allow me to introduce you to my boys:

Deleted - disliked the fact that he didn't look good under certain lighting conditions. Was created as a replacement for Ptah.


My first boy I created some 2 years ago.


My perma-pre babez! With her present for being one year old!


Ptah - my first main character on my second account. kept the looks of my first mesmer because I thought they were sweet! (You should see his closet! I still can't believe I spent ALL of his skill points to buys skills AND farmed a few more! I think I just wasted around 400k on his skills only - and then don't get me started on his armour sets nor his weaponry (to think I bought the 20/20 Rockmolder for some 80k and then watch it be turned into a copy of the normal one just a few days later!)

But they weren't. The tan was bad and the hair colour also left something to be desired.

So Apy was born! Plus I wanted a Legendary Survivor mesmer! Becoming my only character to sport FoW - because, well - if I'd ever get FoW for any of my characters it would have to be a mesmer!


My other mesmer chick. Was deleted because I needed the slots.

For the rest of the guys I sadly lack pictures:
- but there should be at least 1 that made it to ventari before meeting with the hands of doom because I did't like how he looked in the enchanter's armours! (what can I say - I was an idiot! I should have checked that in the PvP screen but instead I took him through half the game to see that he looked stupid!)
- then there was Akhmet who I just used to beat the Factions campaign because I wanted to gather all mesmer greens available - and so I needed to get my hands on all versions of the Effigy and the Wand. Gave up that idea though after getting all c1 and Factions mesmer greens - Nightfall sucked so I didn't want to spend more time there then completely necessary!
- prolly a few more - but it's not like I can remember ALL my mesmers.

And yes - I am a man. And there is no shower near!


So keeping that in mind - are you SURE you want to keep this up?
so u self added an opinion and some pic's and are an expert on the subject??

even if u owned a mesmer finished the game('s), it doesnt mean you were a expert as to how it works, i know plenty of people who have finished all 3 campiagns but still dont know how to make a good build for there proffession.
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Originally Posted by -Loki-


Yeah, Gwen sucks.
LoL what kind of mesmer build is that????

Gwen sucks cus u dont know how to put a mesmer build together, simple as that, it seems as thos u have gone out to make the mesmer look useless on purpose, Try a GOOD build and see how that works, not some half a$$ build slap together cus it does "Damage", anyway this is my last comment on the subject.


The best thing to do is Ignore threads like this, Its full of self opinionated responses, i could name all thats wrong but why waste my time of breaking down every post thats self opinionated, these people no there not overly intelligent as to how the mesmer works but just wanna act like they are because they have had a Mesmer and were useless at it, i do not overly understand the mesmer but my hero Norgu doesnt collect dust, infact my ele hero's and warrior hero's get used less then my mesmer hero(i only play with 1other person when in PvE) to make the conversation short if ur a mesmer fan ignore this thread as i now will, and if u hate mesmers then this is ur haven, have fun!!!

Patrick Smit

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04 Sep 2007 at 08:10 - 202
Azza, reread your post, and then reconsider your response maybe? You think yours is not egocentric? I used a build with a few surgers, and it gave good AoE and killing potential. While damage is spread around, creating lots of mobs that are at low health to be eliminated at the next wave of surges or enchant shatters.

Avarre

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04 Sep 2007 at 08:46 - 203
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Smit
Azza, reread your post, and then reconsider your response maybe? You think yours is not egocentric? I used a build with a few surgers, and it gave good AoE and killing potential. While damage is spread around, creating lots of mobs that are at low health to be eliminated at the next wave of surges or enchant shatters.
Surge is absolutely terrible in PvE - long recharge, low damage, and elite slot.

In PvE, almost all areas can be cleared with smaller than max groups. Thus the assumption that 'because it works in PvE = good' is horribly wrong - effectiveness in PvE has to be considered with regards to comparisons with other classes in similar roles.

I don't need to explain what and why other classes are better than a surge mes at AoE damage, because if you don't have the experience with other classes to know the answers immediately, then you don't have the game knowledge to understand why Mesmers are less effective.

A_Muppet

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04 Sep 2007 at 08:52 - 204
Anyone who says mesmers suck has yet to fight the Jotun mesmers. AI can do that, and so can a human mesmer. That's all I have to say.

-Loki-

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04 Sep 2007 at 08:53 - 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azza
LoL what kind of mesmer build is that????

Gwen sucks cus u dont know how to put a mesmer build together, simple as that, it seems as thos u have gone out to make the mesmer look useless on purpose, Try a GOOD build and see how that works, not some half a$$ build slap together cus it does "Damage", anyway this is my last comment on the subject.
Did yo read any of my other comments? That mesmer build won that dungeon for me. I was being sarcastic with that remark. You sir, fail at the internet.

RTSFirebat

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04 Sep 2007 at 09:05 - 206
Gwen makes a great mesmer, her starting domination build is great, just add Power Block in there and your away.

Just having a hero who can interrupt 1/4 and 1/2 spells is great.

yesitsrob

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04 Sep 2007 at 09:14 - 207
I agree that being able to 1/4 and 1/2 casts is nice. What I don't agree with is that mesmers do that best. If you want to interrupt every 1/4 and 1/2 an enemy casts you'd be better off taking Zho (Interrupt Henchman) who will allow you to interrupt way more quick casts than any slow recharging mesmer ones will. Also won't make you use one of your Hero slots up.

Daze = Best caster shutdown in PVE.

RTSFirebat

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04 Sep 2007 at 09:47 - 208
True that daze is the way to go. I think Zho biggest problem is her lack of long battle energy management. But otherwise it always fun to have her and 2 ranger heros for a ranger spike PvE run

Cass

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04 Sep 2007 at 10:27 - 209
Effectiveness in PvE is an issue that should interest farmers only.

Perfected Shadow

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04 Sep 2007 at 10:28 - 210
Why mes, when you can take N/Me with Curses+Domination+passive e-management?

Terra Xin

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04 Sep 2007 at 11:02 - 211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azza
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OK can everyone see this? This is what you do if you want to be a hypocrite. The end.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
I don't need to explain what and why other classes are better than a surge mes at AoE damage, because if you don't have the experience with other classes to know the answers immediately, then you don't have the game knowledge to understand why Mesmers are less effective.
PvE was supposed to be made more attractive for the Mesmer with the introduction of Hard Mode, and it was supposed to draw tension away from the Absolute Trinity... Tank/Nuker/Healer - but that never really happened. A while ago in another thread, I said that although Mesmers may benefit more while fighting in hard mode, any other profession will benefit just as equally. The sad result is that after the benefits have been applied, the Mesmer would still be at the bottom.

But just so everyone understands; though Avarre says a Mesmer is less effective in a general perspective, does not make them ineffective. We don't want more people going around incorrectly thinking that Mesmers are useless because of the misinterpretation of a person's statement.

haggus71

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04 Sep 2007 at 11:06 - 212
RTS, give Prepared Shot to Jin, she uses it awesome.

Give Gwen a Domination utility build. She uses Power Block well. It's a skill made for the AI's quick reaction time. Throw in some basic caster melee stuff that gives her manna and she does well. Remember, she's AI. Fast as hell but not very bright. Don't throw any mock-AoE mesmer skills like E-surge. Leave the AoE to Horse-ass/So-sucky. Their ability to handle SF builds shows how brain-dead that build is to use, though the the way they act I think they believe it's a starburst build.

SuperDave

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04 Sep 2007 at 11:38 - 213
"Knock, Knock"

"Who's th......."

"Interrupt Mesmer"

Gwen pwns in my team. I'm glad she's a mesmer. I always thought Norgu was a little too silly. I <3 Gwen. And she looks really pretty in the armor I got her

dragonofinfinity

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04 Sep 2007 at 16:09 - 214
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass
Effectiveness in PvE is an issue that should interest farmers only.
mesmers are effective in any PvE situation, well at least when i take one AKA all the time its possible.

Chicken Ftw

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04 Sep 2007 at 16:24 - 215
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonofinfinity
mesmers are effective in any PvE situation, well at least when i take one AKA all the time its possible.
It's never been a question of whether they're effective or not. It's a question of how effective. Other classes can do most of the mesmer's roles better than the mesmer itself can. Interruption? BHA ranger. Damage? Pretty much every other class, given a decent build. Hexes/melee shutdown? Necro. etc etc.

arcady

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04 Sep 2007 at 16:37 - 216
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Why did Anet make the Gwen hero a mesmer? I wanted to use her, not have her gather dust.
My first main prophesies character was E/Me, and until she hit Lion's Arch and jumped over to other campaigns to get enough skills for Earth I always had as many Mesmer skills on her as I could justify.

Gwen being a mesmer means it will be hard for me to find a reason to -not- bring her out there. Mesmer's are very handy when you can use them, and the computer AI, while not perfect, does a decent job. It certainly doesn't get distracted or lose track of duration times as easily as I do - making it a very effective mesmer AI.

arcady

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04 Sep 2007 at 16:44 - 217
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass
Effectiveness in PvE is an issue that should interest farmers only.
Having spent countless hours failing to get through Droknar's run on three different characters and assorted hero combos so far, I can say effectiveness is not just about farming.

Next time I log into Guild Wars, somebody other than me is going to be making a good amount of coin running me through there... Much as I hate running or getting run, it's just not fun anymore trying and failing. Of course, I didn't have access to Gwen last time I tried...

Anytime I run a quest or a mission, I think about what's going to be effective. If I bring 'A', I'll be there for so many hours or minutes, but if I bring 'B' instead, can I cut that in half given that the challenge involves something 'B' is tuned for?

Healers Wisper

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04 Sep 2007 at 17:04 - 218
Wow, this thread cracks me up. I must admit I was a noob and hated mesmers. My guild leader is a mesmer and started to show me the errors of my ways. (I am a PvE Only player and so is he.) Gwen showed me my errors even more.

I set her up as a Interupt SV mesmer. We went into Sorrow furnice with 2 SF ele, Me a SS Necros, Gwen, My guildie a Blood necro, 1 MM and 2 Monk (prot and healing) All if us were laying face down and Gwen was still running around and Killed a mob single handedly of about 6 Monsters.

I learned, Gwen is a staple.

Croco Clouds

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04 Sep 2007 at 17:09 - 219
Remember Gwen grows very fast compare to real human girl, she must have limited strength compare to other heroes

R_Frost

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04 Sep 2007 at 19:52 - 220
ill take Gwen as a mesmer anyday. ive been having fun the last 2 weekends with her in my party. ive been hero/henching my mesmer through factions and nightfall(left EoTN after getting my Gwen) and its been alot of fun. one of us spec'd illusion/insp and the other built dom/insp. no need for agro scattering pug ele's, only time ive used hero or hench ele's is when the quest requires them and the enemy groups drop plenty fast.

Terra Xin

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04 Sep 2007 at 20:54 - 221
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
"Knock, Knock"

"Who's th......."

"Interrupt Mesmer"

Gwen pwns in my team. I'm glad she's a mesmer. I always thought Norgu was a little too silly. I <3 Gwen. And she looks really pretty in the armor I got her
Ohhh that's funny I love it. im gonna tell all my guildies this joke

My Sweet Revenga

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04 Sep 2007 at 20:57 - 222
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Originally Posted by upier
But the big question is - can the other classes do it better?
I dunno about other classes attempting to do a mesmer's job better, but I can tell you for sure, Gwen can tank and dish out damage better than most wammos I've seen.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=461954

As for WHY Gwen is the mesmer, well let's think about what it would mean for her to be one of the other 3 logical classes that people speculated she would be:

1) Elementalist: Gwen is barely legal. And you want to see her do the jiggly dance? You sickos.....

2) Warrior: If tiny Gwen is the warrior, then Jora would have to be the mesmer..... that would look very awkward watching such a large woman spin and twirl like that. What if she tripped? She'd fall on you or your pet bird and crush you like the tiny two-legs that you are. As you can see from the gear she's hauling around in the following picture, it made far more sense to make her a tank (if not somewhat stereotypical)


3) Monk: This would be downright boring. We already had a main character Mhenlo as a monk, and now we want to make Gwen a monk too? Same old same old. And being zen as a monk doesn't really fit the embittered attitude that Gwen has been showing in this expansion. Gwen is mad.... and when you're mad you wanna get even. And what more fun way to get even with the enemy than to have them hurt themselves.... and Gwen doesn't seem like the type to mess with corpses so the logical conclusion is to make her a mesmer.

Shuuda

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04 Sep 2007 at 21:36 - 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Surge is absolutely terrible in PvE.
E-Surge is absolutely terrible anywhere, PvP and PvE, the damage sucks, the E denal sucks, bad recharge, bad cost for what it does. End of story as far as that skill goes.

arcady

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05 Sep 2007 at 03:09 - 224
Quote:
Originally Posted by Croco Clouds
Remember Gwen grows very fast compare to real human girl, she must have limited strength compare to other heroes
I know you're comment's meant to be tongue in cheek, but just to consider the point...

...If she was 10-12 in the original game, she's maybe 16-18 now if its 6 years after pre-searing. I thought Gw:En took place a few years after chapter 1 concludes, but if it doesn't, she's still maybe 16-18.

In pre-modern ages, that puts her into adulthood. By the standards of anytime before the industrial revolution, adulthood often began at 14-16... I'd say that explains all the wars we've had in history, but we're still having them...

Cass

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05 Sep 2007 at 09:47 - 225
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonofinfinity
mesmers are effective in any PvE situation, well at least when i take one AKA all the time its possible.
The argument is that other classes would be more effective in the vast majority of PvE situations.

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcady
Having spent countless hours failing to get through Droknar's run on three different characters and assorted hero combos so far, I can say effectiveness is not just about farming.

Next time I log into Guild Wars, somebody other than me is going to be making a good amount of coin running me through there... Much as I hate running or getting run, it's just not fun anymore trying and failing. Of course, I didn't have access to Gwen last time I tried...

Anytime I run a quest or a mission, I think about what's going to be effective. If I bring 'A', I'll be there for so many hours or minutes, but if I bring 'B' instead, can I cut that in half given that the challenge involves something 'B' is tuned for?
Droks run is a solo running affair. This is not what I'd call normal gameplay in which you take a party of 8 players and try to fight through the area. Rather, it is a farming exercise. You are trying to do exactly 1 thing (running past the mobs), and once you have found the build for this, you repeat this for the reward (service fees).

Effectiveness is of course needed to the degree that you shouldn't bring totally inept stuff into an area and spending a lot of time failing. The thing is though, you can take a mesmer hench instead of a fire ele and still be effective enough. There are going to be some casters, usually, and the mes will interrupts some of their stuff. Good enough. And I'd rather tweak a skill here and there on a team setup that I 'just like', than trying to strive for maximum efficiency only... as that can be boring.

EPO Bot

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05 Sep 2007 at 10:05 - 226
Does Gwen ever say "My name is Gwen and i don't like yoooouuuu!!" In GW:EN?

I think i'm going to let her use fire. Just because i can.

Avarre

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05 Sep 2007 at 10:06 - 227
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
E-Surge is absolutely terrible anywhere, PvP and PvE, the damage sucks, the E denal sucks, bad recharge, bad cost for what it does. End of story as far as that skill goes.
You might want to take another look at that.

william1975

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05 Sep 2007 at 10:09 - 228
I love my mesmer, i only wish it was a survivor.

Unfortunatley playing mesmer myself i dont tend to bring another, though if i could have 7 heroes i would. I ike to fill my party iwth two spearchuckers and a mm, just to be able to overwhelm the enemy,

However i find it easiest doing HM with my mesmer, 200 damage in a matter of secs to a bunch of enemy is the best way to clear maps, if only icould build my mesmer heroes that way it woudl be cool.

Anyway i think its obvious why Gwen was made a mesmer, as she plainly stated in Pre searing Ascalon she wanted to be one, however just because you want to do somethign as a child doesn't mean you will as an adult.

Gwen could have been some other profession, with how she wants revenge a warrior or assassin woudl have be quite apropriate, and she has the figure for an assassin

Mesmer rocks if you know how to use it, and i certainly find a fast casting air spiker works a hell of a lot better than an ele, just not as must damage.

haggus71

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05 Sep 2007 at 10:21 - 229
And Livia looks like an ele. I can run her and Gwen with Norgu as their pimp. Yeeeeaaaaahh!

Longasc

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05 Sep 2007 at 10:25 - 230
Gwen sucks not because she is a Mesmer.

1. Gwen sucks because the AI can only handle the most simple builds.
2. Mesmers are not a simple class. The AI cannot make strategic decisions.
3. Heroes cannot use the PvE skills.


Even bad human Mesmers can hardly go wrong with that in PvE: 16 Illusion, 13 FC.

Signet of Illusions, Wandering Eye, Clumsiness, Ether Nightmare, Cry of Pain - 3 more slots leftover, maybe Empathy and Res Chant. Works even with low Kurzick/SS rank.


Also, Pedobear advised me to take her along, but then came Livia and Hayda , and I rather sent her to her to the Kindergarten. I asked a good "uncle" of hers to take care of her.

Snow Bunny

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06 Sep 2007 at 00:57 - 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surena
No, they can't do anything better than all the other classes, in fact there are even more reasons to bring a moebius-sin than any mesmer at all.

The "you plebeians fail at Guild Wars because you fail to accept, recognize and appreciate the Mesmer class"-attitude is arrogant. Some should learn thinking outside PvP, even though it would mean getting off the high horse.

Regarding PvP there is no single doubt that they are far from underestimated and one of the most powerful classes, if not the most - that however does not belong here.
Except....mesmers have PD, and Powerblock...and cool shit like that. And she just powerblocked that Ele boss that would've party-wiped your heroes had you not taken her along.

Did Gwen just...? No! OMG she just did!

Wait for it...

Gwen just diverted your reply.

Coloneh

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06 Sep 2007 at 02:28 - 232
except that my zhed shadowhoof can do the exact same thing then go back to spamming Rodgot's Invocation.

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06 Sep 2007 at 03:34 - 233
A demonstartion of why I've stayed out of this discussion!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
E-Surge is absolutely terrible anywhere, PvP and PvE, the damage sucks, the E denal sucks, bad recharge, bad cost for what it does. End of story as far as that skill goes.
1. "E-Surge is terrible anywhere." It's great against large groups of bunched up Heckets, (especially the ones with the crocs). It's a wonderful initial spike on Margonites in Domain of Secrets. Combine it with LB gaze and you've done some serious damage!There are other examples, but in most PvE cases, I don't use it.

2. "The E-denial sucks." Anyone trying to play e-denial in PvE doesn't know the mechanics of the game.

3. "Bad recharge." Yeah, a bit rough there. But, it's not meant to be spammed.

4. "Bad cost for what it does." Well, yeah, if you don't use it well. Take the Margonites in DoS. Those mobs like to expand and contract. If you hit them with E-surge as an initial attack when they're grouped up, at level 3 LB, you do 92 damage to each and every one of them. If you hit 7 of the group, that's 644 damage. Not bad for 10e!

unreal_uk

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13 Sep 2007 at 17:22 - 234
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...l_uk/gw601.jpg

Amen to Mesmers!

Mesmer skills can arm even bad spellcasting professions like Warriors with a surprising arsenal!

I love my W/Me. It might not be the most intricately designed build for a specific purpose (it's just a general purpose exploring build), but it's such fun to play! I use it to focus on single spellcasters at the back line, but it gives the rest of their allies something to think about too as they crowd together! It's like a tactical nuke to soften up a group before I charge in swinging.

What is missing in this shot is the 5 or 6 '-101's' that had already disappeared from the Lightbringer skill. It was superb for destroying tightly packed groups of Margonites. The build has changed somewhat for general exploring in GW:EN. Opening a fight with a margonite group with a 189 damage spike from a WARRIOR - good times. Then my fellow casters open up and all hell breaks loose.

I love Mesmers, as Primaries, as Secondaries, as concepts, as practical problem solvers.

Mordakai

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13 Sep 2007 at 17:33 - 235
The real issue is why doesn't Anet fix Power Block? Right now it doesn't actually shut down an attribute on monsters like it should.

Aleta

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13 Sep 2007 at 18:58 - 236
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
still pissed. tmesmers suck at PvE. theres no place in my party for a character just because she has pretty clothes.

If that is your opinion you truly do not understand the value of a mesmer at all.


Of course thankfully it's only your opinion and not the reality of what mesmers can do.

Bryant Again

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14 Sep 2007 at 01:19 - 237
Quote:
Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga
2) Warrior: If tiny Gwen is the warrior, then Jora would have to be the mesmer..... that would look very awkward watching such a large woman spin and twirl like that. What if she tripped? She'd fall on you or your pet bird and crush you like the tiny two-legs that you are. As you can see from the gear she's hauling around in the following picture, it made far more sense to make her a tank.
I think it'd be pretty fitting if Jora was an Ele. Then make Vekk a mesmer, and GWEN a whammo. That'd be fine in my book.

lg5000

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14 Sep 2007 at 02:09 - 238
Quote:
Originally Posted by higaru
Simple: mesmers are great in Pve, just learn how to use 'em!!!
Sorry, I'm quoting you rather than you and everyone else with the same opinion..

My current build since factions has basically been:

Ineptitude
Clumsiness
Clumsiness sig
Conjure Nightmare
Conjure phantasm
spare slot (usually an interupt)
the first skill in the inspiration line (energy management)
res

You don't need SKILL to play that bar! Its quite effective (especially against 'sin's) and unlike backfire... pve casters wand things so ineptitude does damage.

Your average hero sux at the energy management and conjure nightmare, so I've changed the setup for that if I'm using something other than a mesmer to play the game.

As for Gwen being a mesmer.. I'm not finding much use for her but that's because my primary is a mesmer and I'm not far enough into the game to have her on any of my other characters.

Malice Black

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14 Sep 2007 at 02:22 - 239
Enough with the childish name calling, if you want to act like little kids, do it elsewhere.

cute_dragon

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14 Sep 2007 at 02:40 - 240
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
still pissed. tmesmers suck at PvE. theres no place in my party for a character just because she has pretty clothes.
Well, my main char is Me, and I almost only play PvE...
Just 2 Weeks and I have my 10th title maxed and I'm always welcome in Guild-Teams... May it be as domination with backfire & emphathy or degen me/n or interrupter; all are eased against many foes if I'm in the team.

I think you're one of the pitiful gamers who really don't know what mesmers can do. You only see direct damage and healing and not the damage mesmers can take out.
Tell me another class who can blind a mass of foes in one second and additional can take out a Caster boss for whole the time?

If u skill Gwen well, she will make the whole 4 Campaigns really easy.
I played even UW with her and cleared it almost whole, because she took out the hardest opponents...

Just give her a try, and you will see, that she isn't only the best suited hero but also very efficient in many situations... U wont miss ur standard imba-r0xx0r-SF-Zhed or ur MM-ftw-Olias, u'll see ^^