Why, o why is Gwen a mesmer?

Gwen is godly as a mesmer in PVE, I use her all the time now along with Olias as MM, and Dun-whats-his-name as prot monk.

It's a reference to the boys measuring up their penises under the showers.
All for the purpose of boosting one's ego.
It's a juicy analogy that I like.

That was a personal achivement.
Keyword : "personal".
Nothing more, nothing less. And if you feel it's something you should be proud of - then by all means - BE!
But looking at it objectively - once you achieved that - you were able to play the class. I don't see why we should make a happy dance and celebrate that - we certainly don't do that for other classes!
What's the point of celebrating a player's not-sucking anymore?

See - you're making the same mistake all over again.
Guild Wars is a team game.
The reason why the mesmer is sub-par in PvE is because there are better options for those 8 slots in a party.
That's the same reason why a 55 monk isn't the preferred choice for an 8-man party!

making the same mistake???, I dont believe u ever proved me a mistake the first time..

the only thing ur doing is seeing the mesmer how u want to see it, so u can come in with ur immature comments/responses and long written essay's that could have been done in 2 sentences or less, the fact is i can replace a Ele with a mesmer and have the mission/quest done 2.5 mins quicker, doesnt seem like much but add it all up in to a total...the fact is if u wanna bash the Mesmer and hate on it, do what every other Tom, Dick and Harry do, sit in Kamadan, Jewel of istan and bitch there like every other mesmer hating NOOB.

Not only have u failed a viable point but u have just seem to get more and more spiteful with ur responses kid!!




EITHERWAY MOD's/ADMIN's really need to delete this dog turd thread and any that are like it and delete all future threads of similarity or im a start some just like it if its tolerated, cus i know plenty of other proffession that can be replaced...


I.E why have a tank when a MM and a Pet ranger can do just the same thing with there Minion's or Pet, wanna dissagree ask any1 in Tomb's Of The Primeval Kings

Peace and learn how to use the proffession or dont comment ur hating responses, becuase either this thread goes or i go!!!

P.S i know 30 odd others who will come with me and not come back till i say its O.K

Would it be possible to use more appropriate analogies then?

The comment was made in refrence to your comment about how they are harder to master and the quotes taken from someone else. :S Its all in the thread and I suck with memorizing who said what lol... I'm not saying you should throw a party or anything.. simply saying as it is obvious in my opinion that some people have a hard time time and don't quite understand mesmers which results in "oh mesmers sux" idealogy. With a little work and patience when first starting with mesmer it can be done that an effective character can be created. With the right build mesmers can rock pve!

Lmao, if Guild Wars was a team game, why can so many proffessions do so much solo work, take the assassin for example, we can not get a group if our life depended on it(well i cant) and its all due to the people who first started an Assassin when factions first came out, but theres those of us who can keep ourselves alive longer then every 1 else, Just Like Assassin's, Mesmers have gotten a bad rep from the early players, but theres those who learnt to do solo work with there Mesmer or Assassin, and if i want a team Hero's and Henchies come first and i can 100% guarantee any mission that requires 6-8 party members will be filled with 1 mesmer, why cus Mesmers are the most effective for any area with little change of the build, so u can hyphernate and do all u want Guild Wars is Not a team game, and the areas that require a team Just need henchies, hell i would enjoy this game 70% more if it werent online or required a group for some areas!!!!

P.S when i start my mesmer im getting all mesmer skills then dominating PvE and PvP i know how they work i have yet to start one tho!!!

Oh and im glad GWEN is a Mesmer maybe some of u will learn to appreciate the class a little more

Nah holy tinity with mesmer aren't just for decoration since we all know mesmer are conditional so having three makes it easier to cover more stuff as well as some max attribute team build that wouldn't work in PuG
(over stacking of same hex is pointless)

Just my 2 cent it about the group and not so much seeing them as single mesmer in holy trinity (it does have nice ring to it.)

Lyssa is made up of two so my norgu and gwen paired for this purpose and myself arm with some spammable spell with summon

I really can't believe how people think mesmers are useless in pve.

If one can't make a useful mesmer with 8 skills from a 200 + skilldex then I shall call that person N 0 0 B. Not very constructive I know

And the answer to the question about why Gwen being a mes is : Cuz she's hot?

"...Why did Anet make the Gwen hero a mesmer? I wanted to use her, not have her gather dust...."

I used Gwen in that mission where you need HER. I kept the build given by the AI, removed the rez sig + add an elite....
Of course I put the necessary runes & she rocks the tiny mouse

The mistake is that you're trying to build a reputation of a class based on something as broken as solo farming. And you keep repeating that.

Ohh and allow me to introduce you to my boys:

Deleted - disliked the fact that he didn't look good under certain lighting conditions. Was created as a replacement for Ptah.


My first boy I created some 2 years ago.


My perma-pre babez! With her present for being one year old!


Ptah - my first main character on my second account. kept the looks of my first mesmer because I thought they were sweet! (You should see his closet! I still can't believe I spent ALL of his skill points to buys skills AND farmed a few more! I think I just wasted around 400k on his skills only - and then don't get me started on his armour sets nor his weaponry (to think I bought the 20/20 Rockmolder for some 80k and then watch it be turned into a copy of the normal one just a few days later!)

But they weren't. The tan was bad and the hair colour also left something to be desired.

So Apy was born! Plus I wanted a Legendary Survivor mesmer! Becoming my only character to sport FoW - because, well - if I'd ever get FoW for any of my characters it would have to be a mesmer!


My other mesmer chick. Was deleted because I needed the slots.

For the rest of the guys I sadly lack pictures:
- but there should be at least 1 that made it to ventari before meeting with the hands of doom because I did't like how he looked in the enchanter's armours! (what can I say - I was an idiot! I should have checked that in the PvP screen but instead I took him through half the game to see that he looked stupid!)
- then there was Akhmet who I just used to beat the Factions campaign because I wanted to gather all mesmer greens available - and so I needed to get my hands on all versions of the Effigy and the Wand. Gave up that idea though after getting all c1 and Factions mesmer greens - Nightfall sucked so I didn't want to spend more time there then completely necessary!
- prolly a few more - but it's not like I can remember ALL my mesmers.

And yes - I am a man. And there is no shower near!

So keeping that in mind - are you SURE you want to keep this up?

1) Since when is the GWG staff your personal army? You give them time to take action? Granted, if you and Coloneh keep trolling, this probably will be locked or deleted, but certainly not because you demanded it to be.

2) Alex has a point, and one that made me lol. <3

3) Err... What was the point in this latest post of yours anyway, other than trolling further?

Back on topic... Those who say the mesmer isn't usually the greatest choice for PvE are right - in some situations, it's a solid choice. Generally speaking though, PvE is mostly about DPS, shutdown isn't so much necessary. I'm fully aware that mesmers can deal decent damage - but it's not their strong suit, other classes can do it much more efficiently. Handy to have? Sometimes. Fun to play? Yup. One of the best choices for tearing through PvE? In most given scenarios, no.

shes a mes because her mother was althea, and she wanted to grow up to be just like her mother.

O RLY?
Good try anyho ^_^
Nah, regardless... I quite like her as a Mesmer... She did a decent enough job of hampering Hidesplitter as some illusion spam thing

im getting a little annoyed now. I asked a question and now im getting accused of trolling and not getting any answers to the question.

What can mesmers do in PvE that E/Me or N/Me cannot do better?




please realize that "just because you suck dosnt mean mesmers suck" is not an answer. go back to middle school.

if only there were some cool fast casting spells people would appreciate mesmers more...

6 seconds of Blackout compared to 5 on a secondary mesmer.
Then there are the MoR builds - but those are a bit questionable - because the only one that I can think of and is really good is MoR-ing Mark Of Pain (but then we have a problem because the other godly Curses - Barbs, Enfeebling Blood and Shadow Of Fear - really don't need MoR).

But because of the skill properties of Blackout (touch range) and the way PvE is built - eg. monsters that are completely unbalanced - and some idiotic ideas to boot - eg. the armour cap which single-handedly removed the freedom of movement for squishes (unless everyone is running around with PS on them) - you prolly won't see any cookies involving it anytime soon.

The Mesmer is supposed to be good because of fast casting.

Most of the mesmer spells take a while to cast.

The problem really is that FC doesnt synch too well with its own skills. The skills do fine without FC. The interrupts in the domination, while powerful, do not warrant enough usage to dedicate a full mesmer build when you can just put on power drain and leech signet on any mesmer secondary.

However....AI is much much better at spreading interrupts around (albeit without regards to priority of certain skills to interrupt), without needing to camp specific enemies.

E-Denial was great, and its been nerfed very heavily, and that doesnt work as well in PVE anyway.

As others have pointed out, hex stacking can be done with other classes.

i have an idea for a fast castin skill that might make mesmer more desirable.

"time is my friend"
the next 2 spells you cast do not take adavantage from your fast castin attributes but inflict +15..+40 damage to foe.

cos u're takin that extra time to use a spell (even though u are high on fast castin)..... durin that time u're also able to sneak some damage in there with a sneaky hit your foe doesnt see.

i know it will be rediculed but whatever....

It makes Wastrel's Worry really good!

The advantages of having E/Me or N/Me over Mesmer is the energy bonus they have. However, that being said I counter this with a hero with br and I don't have much energy problems at all. The Bonus like others have mentioned is the FC which you do not get with Ele or Necro primary. Hence, making Mes more effective in my opinion.

I've only taken Gwen out once, but that's because I'm playing my own mes right now. Might have to dust of Norgu and bring them both along just to see how well it'll work with the three of us messing up all those casting mobs in GW:EN.

Normally I bring Jin as a BHA interrupter, Dunkie for healing since Mhenlo still seems to get his clock cleaned rather easily, and either Olias or Master o/ Wh. along as a MM. Only occasionally bring an Ele hero along or maybe use Cyn or Herta, but usually do without an Ele altogether and do pretty well all things considered. At least 1 Wa to tank til I get minions up and then roll on along for the most part although that makes the areas full of elemental and spectral types a bit iffy when I run out of fleshy bodies.

The ONLY thing I have trouble at all with when using a mes is that damn Magni, only because I slip up timing or something and need to tweak my build a bit, but casters are generally toast right from the get go. I honestly never realized Mhenlo was a 55 in the tourney for the longest time and thought he was broke some how because he was always dead in less than 5 secs..lol

As for why they made Gwen a Mesmer... Partly from her origins and wanting to be one. Also because we have a plethora of the others and only had Norgu as a mes before.

As for utitlizing a mesmer.. I usually focus on he monks first and the most lethal casters after or if a monk isn't among the opposition and let Jin interrupt as she sees fit for the most part and then the minions and warriors can trash the enemy at their leisure.

Shatter hex tend to be a rather nice instant AoE spell in PVE as well as long as the monks don't get to it before I do. 114 points to multiple targets all at once can be a wonderful thing if your tank gets tagged by a NE or Me. Nothing wrong at all with a health 20% punch to your enemies.

That's one thing several Mes skills can do for dishing out damage in large quantity. All a matter of timing. All I need is for them to hex one party member in the right place and with Shatter Hex, a cheap hex of my own, Cry of Pain and Energy Surge I can dish out about 300 points of armor ignoring damage to an entire mob in a matter of about 3 seconds as well as CoP being an unconditional interrupt.

I've played mesmer quite a bit in pvp, but I'd agree that their usefulness is limited in pve. Mesmers excel at lockdown. The problem with pve is, most of it is so easy that I don't have the patience to lock things down. It's easier to take a direct offensive class and just plow through everything as fast as possible. In certain situations, such as HM, shutting down difficult bosses, etc. it's highly beneficial to have a mesmer along for the ride. For everything else (which is 90% of GW pve), areas are easy enough that the mesmer's potential is not fully utilized.

I'd say anet made her a mes to try and promote the class to pve'ers who think the class is pointless because they don't see people (in pve) playing it very often.

Mesmers sucking in PvE is a mere illusion, just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.

IIRC, back in proph Gwen wanted to be a mesmer even though she healed you.

IMO make her a Me/Mo.

In fact, if you're paying attention, you realize that mesmers dominate the battle field.

Their mere presence is an inspiration to the group.

Yeah, Gwen sucks.

Mesmer skills act more like a crowd control; in general the mesmer must be a lot more aware of everything around that other classes, because they are specialized. They (players) might find place easier now with pve skills; mantra of recovery and pain inverter is works wonders. A charr seeker can kill himself in just 2 shots with that. Anyway, my main toon is a mesmer, and it's been the easiest to get through the game. The so feared cromatic drakes are a joke with one domination mesmer on the team.

What does your pic show? Apart from a mesmer with no self heals and a huge DP?

Don't blame the class, blame the meat bag between the seat and the computer.

It shows Gwen pretty much beating the Remains of Antiquities, because the rest of my party selection sucked. He moved away from Cynns nukes, Olias had no corpses to exploit, my poison did nothing. Gwen, Jora and Talon alone did it, and most of it was Gwen. Also - Mesmer self heal sucks anyway.

Coloneh, you have not play enough pve in gw if you question the usability of mesmers, i simply don't go without one, either hero or henchie.

They are godly interrupters and caster shut-down characters. Groups that cost to beat because of either monks or many casters, or the overpowered elementalists become easy or reasonable with a mesmer in your party.

Their reflexes and precision for interrupt skill it's just, godly, due to the fast casting attribute.

They can make a great difference in areas with many hexes, or with monsters that use many enchantments. Or skills like ineptitude can make physical damage characters a joke. They are very versatile characters, and i could find an use for a mesmer in every area or activity of the game.

The only advantages iv heard for mesmer primary are an extra second of blackout and fast casting, but the thing is that fast casting isnt that useful in PvE. It dosnt make your heroes able to interrups spells they wouldnt have been able to with 0 FC. the spells getting on the enemies is what counts, not that you can do it in 3/4 of the time.

Energy storage ans Soul Reaping are just more useful. take that picture above for example, is that GoLE i spy? the character would be more effective as an ele primary. more energy reserves are always useful.

why are mesmers useful? because you can't run a hero with mesmer skills as well as splinter weapon in any other way. yes, you can go rit/mes, but that's just pointless. and as we all know, splinter weapon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pve.

Simple: mesmers are great in Pve, just learn how to use 'em!!!

Gwen is a Mesmer because she liked the Mesmers' outfit better than the warriors'.

Gwen in pre:
"When I grow up, I'm going to be a hero like my daddy. I'd like to be a warrior, but the mesmers' outfits are nicer, don't you think?"

This line is repeated a lot, and always by people who are... well...

Why is it that a great number of experienced players do not share the view that mesmers are effective, yet the commonest argument is an appeal to experience?

That mesmer bar has two long-recharge interrupts and some weak edenial (among other flaws, like three long-recharge dom skills and four energy-return skills). Your own ranger bar is several times more effective at handling a caster mob.

Summary of thread:

"Mesmers suck. Why did they have to make Gwen one?" Coloneh waits for flame bait to be eaten.

"Mesmers rule! lern2play n00b!"

"Mesmers suck in pve. better as eles with fast-cast."

evidence given over and over and over on both sides.

The Original question was answered by a few people, I think. Hyper.ni summed it up. Gwen says in pre she might like to be a mes because they dress nice.

Plus, they already have ele and monk heroes out the ass, so there you go.

Can we stop bumping this now?

Yeah, but I wasn't. High ping coupled with the fact that I was exceedingly sick that weekend meant my interrupting consisted of me sitting there hitting 2 and 3 randomly until my heroes killed the enemies.

Fair enough. I know what it's like to have sucky ping.

Word. Playing as an assassin is probably like playing a mesmer. Went into a PUG to do 'In Defense of the Eye' quest and 1 wise E said that they don't need As, just E, W, Mos, kthxbai.