Petition to Remove Title Requirement for GW:EN Armors
genofreek
But then everyone would just pay a runner to get them through that one quest. And again, as with the other things they tried to keep elite with high prices and rare materials, the armor goes to the ebayers.
milan
/unsigned.
I have rank 4 (at least 13k each) dwarf, asura and vanguard by simply doing quests and completing dungeons once each - Still not completed all the dungeons or completed all the quests. It's incredibly easy to get simply by playing the game.
I haven't included norn in that because I farmed a lot of points during the preview.
I have rank 4 (at least 13k each) dwarf, asura and vanguard by simply doing quests and completing dungeons once each - Still not completed all the dungeons or completed all the quests. It's incredibly easy to get simply by playing the game.
I haven't included norn in that because I farmed a lot of points during the preview.
mazey vorstagg
/not signed
Well I wouldn't mind it rank 4. But you get 1500 points for doing dungeons so I'm happy to keep reaping the rewards of cathedral of flames/kathandrax and get 1500 points towards my title at the end. Not to mention the Vanguard quests there are too.
Well I wouldn't mind it rank 4. But you get 1500 points for doing dungeons so I'm happy to keep reaping the rewards of cathedral of flames/kathandrax and get 1500 points towards my title at the end. Not to mention the Vanguard quests there are too.
Squishy ftw
/notsigned
Just play the game, quests etc. and you're already either close or above the required rank. So I dont see a need to lower it or anything
Just play the game, quests etc. and you're already either close or above the required rank. So I dont see a need to lower it or anything
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by genofreek
But then everyone would just pay a runner to get them through that one quest. And again, as with the other things they tried to keep elite with high prices and rare materials, the armor goes to the ebayers.
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Series
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I think the OP doesn't mean that it'd be good if people wouldn't have to work to get their presitge armour.
The problem is grinding- it's boring, it's repetitive and it's only purpose is to get to R5. I'd gladly see it changed to something like this: wanna our prestige armour? No problem. You just have to do this one quest. Of course it's hard as hell and you probably won't do it with henchies and heroes but hey, it's better than grinding, right? |
Grinding=/=Work
Grinding=/=Skill
Grinding=Wasting your life
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by mazey vorstagg
Well I wouldn't mind it rank 4. But you get 1500 points for doing dungeons so I'm happy to keep reaping the rewards of cathedral of flames/kathandrax and get 1500 points towards my title at the end.
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genofreek
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I said 'hard as hell quest' not one you'd be able to run through
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I get what you're saying, but making something extremely difficult is just going to cause players to whine about how impossible it is and pay someone else to get them through it. Which loops us right back to the ebaying problem raised by making prestige items/armor simply expensive.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I said 'hard as hell quest' not one you'd be able to run through
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Even if they made these quests hard as hell, they would most likely be doable by heroes/henchies unless you want it to be so hard it forces cookie cutter builds. Even if it was too hard for heroes/henchies, it would be like forgemaster runs. Few human players run to forgemaster for 50k.
BlackSephir
Yeah, it's not like you can hire someone to grind Norn/Vanguard/Dwarf/Asura reputation for you.
Oh, wait...
Oh, wait...
noname22369
/not signed
It's not too hard to get those titles.
It's not too hard to get those titles.
Zahr Dalsk
Here's an idea, reduce the rank requirement or make the titles account based.
Stopping ebayers is nice, but not if it means stopping people who have stuff like jobs, school, etc and can't play forever, by which I mean the casual players, who were supposed to be Guild Wars' target audience.
To be honest all I really want is the new headgear such as glasses, bandana, etc, but I'm not bothering if I have to do a massive grind for each character. A smaller grind for each character? Sure. A massive grind that I only need to do once on my account? Fine. A massive grind that must be repeated for each of my six current PvE characters? No.
Guild Wars is supposed to be targeted at casual gamers. Making all the new armor in this expansion require a large amount of grinding is NOT easy for casual gamers.
/partially signed. We don't need grind eliminated, but it is pretty steep at the moment.
Stopping ebayers is nice, but not if it means stopping people who have stuff like jobs, school, etc and can't play forever, by which I mean the casual players, who were supposed to be Guild Wars' target audience.
To be honest all I really want is the new headgear such as glasses, bandana, etc, but I'm not bothering if I have to do a massive grind for each character. A smaller grind for each character? Sure. A massive grind that I only need to do once on my account? Fine. A massive grind that must be repeated for each of my six current PvE characters? No.
Guild Wars is supposed to be targeted at casual gamers. Making all the new armor in this expansion require a large amount of grinding is NOT easy for casual gamers.
/partially signed. We don't need grind eliminated, but it is pretty steep at the moment.
kazjun
/not signed
For now anyway. I'll see after my 5th pve character, though I've got a feeling I'll just say stuff it. Most of the 'new' armour is crap. I'll just stick to what's already available, and none of them require grind. Unless you're talking vabbian, where you need to farm some for cash to get rubies...
For now anyway. I'll see after my 5th pve character, though I've got a feeling I'll just say stuff it. Most of the 'new' armour is crap. I'll just stick to what's already available, and none of them require grind. Unless you're talking vabbian, where you need to farm some for cash to get rubies...
genofreek
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Yeah, it's not like you can hire someone to grind Norn/Vanguard/Dwarf/Asura reputation for you.
Oh, wait... |
I see where grabbing up a powergrinder could happen, but I haven't actually seen anyone ask for or offer that service yet. It doesn't seem very practical either way you do it.We already know how popular hired help is for difficult quests and endgame missions, so turning the current situation into a quest that's as tough as grinding is long will only guarantee that ebayers will pay a wammo to do the dirty work for them.
On the other hand, make it easy enough for everyone to stop complaining about it and make an effort to do it, and suddenly there's no prestige in the new armor anymore. Not to mention, the people who spent their time killing monsters and earning their armor instead of making whiny topics in Sardelac are gonna be pissed.
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I think the OP doesn't mean that it'd be good if people wouldn't have to work to get their presitge armour.
The problem is grinding- it's boring, it's repetitive and it's only purpose is to get to R5. I'd gladly see it changed to something like this: wanna our prestige armour? No problem. You just have to do this one quest. Of course it's hard as hell and you probably won't do it with henchies and heroes but hey, it's better than grinding, right? |
MirkoTeran
So, elite armor for no work? Doesn't sound elite to me...
revelation
You guys are so annoying, just whining about how hard it is to get r5 at certain title... Even if you have work/children/school and any other thing that keep you busy too much in life, it really isn't hard to get r5, if you play 1-2h per day you can get it in less than a week.. And if you can't play 1-2h per day, then it's your problem. Instead of begging Anet for removing the title needed for armor on forums, you could already get few thousand points in the game. You can't change everything you don't like in the game...
haggus71
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
So, elite armor for no work? Doesn't sound elite to me...
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Shit. Screw this. Honestly, I'd be more impressed by a guy in 1.5k monk armor with the max glad title than some zombie with Norn armor. It'll be a good thing when GW2 separates pvp from pve.
EternalTempest
I feel your pain, but as much as it's going to cost me
(on my 1/4 of the 1st set of 10 "prestige" armor set)....
/not signed
(on my 1/4 of the 1st set of 10 "prestige" armor set)....
/not signed
Mercurio
/not signed
(even for an armor that could require two lifes to have it)
WTF! there are a lot of wow lovers around here, and people who cryes for the low level cap... if you want not to play a bit to get a cool thing that will not change your character power, simply don't do it.
Sorry for my hardness I have just read the "level cap" thread.
(even for an armor that could require two lifes to have it)
WTF! there are a lot of wow lovers around here, and people who cryes for the low level cap... if you want not to play a bit to get a cool thing that will not change your character power, simply don't do it.
Sorry for my hardness I have just read the "level cap" thread.
Hyper.nl
I like the title requirement as variation on the only money / farming requirement of the pre-GW:EN armors. In order to have a certain degree of exclusiveness there should be certain requirements you have to fulfill in order to get high-end armors.
The only armor that could get a requirement chage imo is the FoW armor with a rediculous price. But I'm not complaining, if people waht to put their gold into a gold sink in exchange of some exclusiveness, be my guest.
The only armor that could get a requirement chage imo is the FoW armor with a rediculous price. But I'm not complaining, if people waht to put their gold into a gold sink in exchange of some exclusiveness, be my guest.
828168
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I thought we went through this already? Didn't ANET already lowered the requirements from their hardcore grinding levels to something that can be attainable via some casual grinding? I remember how silly it was when people were arguing in favor of keeping the ultra grind level claiming that "hard mode" possibility, more "norn quests" than available in preview, etc. etc. But I'll restrain myself from saying anything bad. We all know how wrong they were since those expectations were totally off and unless I missed some "new norn quests" and the non repeatable bear quest, we pretty much done with the norns during the preview.
You can easily get to rank 4 by doing the quests and finishing the game. The unfortunate part is that you will not hit 26,000 points for rank 5. I believe it's roughly 8,000 to 16,000 points for all those primary quests and that also factors in how you play the game while doing these quests. Did you run most of it (avoided mobs) or did you went to shrines first and then clear the map prior to entering new zone, outpost, etc.? After all said and done, you will need to do some kind of grind to get what you want. And people, stop saying rank 4 to 5 is so close... The point difference is either doubled or almost double when you go from 4 to 5. It is easy to get to rank 4by just playing the game; but you'll have to suffer some mindless grinds to get to rank 5. Is it worth it? Thanks to people who went through the nightmarish work and shared their pictures; you can decide for yourself...
I thought we went through this already? Didn't ANET already lowered the requirements from their hardcore grinding levels to something that can be attainable via some casual grinding? I remember how silly it was when people were arguing in favor of keeping the ultra grind level claiming that "hard mode" possibility, more "norn quests" than available in preview, etc. etc. But I'll restrain myself from saying anything bad. We all know how wrong they were since those expectations were totally off and unless I missed some "new norn quests" and the non repeatable bear quest, we pretty much done with the norns during the preview.
You can easily get to rank 4 by doing the quests and finishing the game. The unfortunate part is that you will not hit 26,000 points for rank 5. I believe it's roughly 8,000 to 16,000 points for all those primary quests and that also factors in how you play the game while doing these quests. Did you run most of it (avoided mobs) or did you went to shrines first and then clear the map prior to entering new zone, outpost, etc.? After all said and done, you will need to do some kind of grind to get what you want. And people, stop saying rank 4 to 5 is so close... The point difference is either doubled or almost double when you go from 4 to 5. It is easy to get to rank 4by just playing the game; but you'll have to suffer some mindless grinds to get to rank 5. Is it worth it? Thanks to people who went through the nightmarish work and shared their pictures; you can decide for yourself...
cellardweller
/signed
And while you're at it, remove the grind requirement from pve skills.
No such thing - as soon as it becomes grind, it stops being casual.
And while you're at it, remove the grind requirement from pve skills.
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via some casual grinding?
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genofreek
I dunno, I can grind casually. Usually it's just a matter of going out when I feel like taking a break from the plot and killing things to relax. Always grab bounties at the shrine by the door, visit the norn regularly (every 25 kills) to see what sort of bonuses they have for you, and don't think you need to chase everything on the map. Just having the bounties up while doing the quests is getting me titles so fast I'm one tier further every time I check.
You don't HAVE to have the armor this week, ya know.
Always grab bounties at the shrine by the door, visit the norn regularly (every 25 kills) to see what sort of bonuses they have for you, and don't think you need to chase everything on the map. Just having the bounties up while doing the quests is getting me titles so fast I'm one tier further every time I check.You don't HAVE to have the armor this week, ya know.
CyberMesh0
Cry me a river. They're not *that* hard to get.
/notsigned
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Mangione
/Not signed
It doesn't take too much time to get points.
Just got the title without effort, only going into the explorable areas and helping friends and guildies do their quests. I stopped at the shrines and took the blessings when they did. I didn't even notice I took the title, until they told me to check how many points I had, since I didn't care about it (and didn't want to make a new armor).
(That's for casual "earning")
It doesn't take too much time to get points.
Just got the title without effort, only going into the explorable areas and helping friends and guildies do their quests. I stopped at the shrines and took the blessings when they did. I didn't even notice I took the title, until they told me to check how many points I had, since I didn't care about it (and didn't want to make a new armor).
(That's for casual "earning")
Terra Xin
You spend the same amount of time getting armour from all of the other campaigns, what's the point of this thread?
*screws up petition*
*screws up petition*
legion_rat
wow this has been said a lot. You do not need the new armor. You do not need FoW armor. Its about working for it. I ran around with KC armor for ever on my sin. It doesnt look as nice but it serves the same purpose. I changed up some here and there as I wanted to. I had to work for the materials and the money to do so. So quit bitching about poor eye sight and carple tunnel (in my day we saw carple tunnel as a passage to manhood) and grind grind grind!
~the rat~
~the rat~
legion_rat
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/signed
And while you're at it, remove the grind requirement from pve skills. No such thing - as soon as it becomes grind, it stops being casual. |
no thank you
~the rat~
Curar Partida
Cmon how can u complain about. Just go out kill a bunch of stuff and in no time u got it. It's as easy as comlaing about something that is fine jsut the way it is. Unbelievable, I know.
/Not Signed
/Not Signed
Anthony Vague
/not signed
I want to start a petition to end petitions....seems like everyone is trying to petition whatever it is they wanted for free.
To the OP: No offense man, but if you don't want to grind, wear normal armors like most of my toons do. If you want to look awesome for nothing, may I recommend either IMVU or Second Life
I want to start a petition to end petitions....seems like everyone is trying to petition whatever it is they wanted for free.
To the OP: No offense man, but if you don't want to grind, wear normal armors like most of my toons do. If you want to look awesome for nothing, may I recommend either IMVU or Second Life
Neverending Silence
/not signed
ur complaining about a requirements being placed on items that u want in which will cuase u to work towards ur goal...yet isnt a video game designed so that hard work and a little time pay off? FoW or r5 armor or the PVE skills are simply there for those with personals tastes and those that want to show how hard theyve worked on their character. what do u want? ANET to just hand over some GW:EN armor for just a few platinum? this is a game...and although it is just a game, concepts still work the same as they do in real life: YOU WANT SOMETHING GOOD YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO WORK FOR IT! and like everyone else said...its "optional"
whining gamers ftl...
ur complaining about a requirements being placed on items that u want in which will cuase u to work towards ur goal...yet isnt a video game designed so that hard work and a little time pay off? FoW or r5 armor or the PVE skills are simply there for those with personals tastes and those that want to show how hard theyve worked on their character. what do u want? ANET to just hand over some GW:EN armor for just a few platinum? this is a game...and although it is just a game, concepts still work the same as they do in real life: YOU WANT SOMETHING GOOD YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO WORK FOR IT! and like everyone else said...its "optional"
whining gamers ftl...
camulus
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It was one of the most stupid ideas in the GW history ever.
"you need to grind x more points to move the story" |
For one character its not really a big issue in my opinion , but I believe those that say well work for it are missing the point.
I dont want to do this on 10 different profeesions, characters, and its enough to make me want to chuck this game. (yes I know some will say dont play it then)
Ive played it for two years, I love playing it , the point is some things in the game are forcing players in PVE where you should be able to play how you want as it affects noone else,,,,, to HAVE TO GRIND AND REPEAT KILL JUNK that you have no INTEREST in killing.
Considering Anet USES the new armour as a major marketing point, but failed to mention the complete change in strategy I am extremely disappointed.
Had Guild wars since the start, have multiple accounts, only upgrading one insteal of all six and if this is where GW is heading, Ill be finding another game to play.
Tempy
/not signed
You should have to work for somethings, especially since most other things are available for a price...read FoW armor bought on ebay and the price of a run.
You should have to work for somethings, especially since most other things are available for a price...read FoW armor bought on ebay and the price of a run.
Witchblade
I'd remove "...Requirement for Crafters" to make your Thread Title just fine
Sir Seifus Halbred
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double post, dumb forum server
double post, dumb forum server
Sir Seifus Halbred
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
I'd remove "...Requirement for Crafters" to make your Thread Title just fine
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murtagh deadmoon
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Originally Posted by Series
Anet does 2 things:
1. Anet introduces new titles, which allow you to access cool armor crafters and such. Cool. 2. Anet provides NO WAY TO INCREASE THESE TITLES other then to go around killing things over and over and over again. Quests and such will only get you so far... not far at all! Therefore, this petition calls for the enactment of one of two options: 1. Remove the requirement of titles from the crafters 2. Provide a way to gain title points OTHER than constant meaningless grind, such as a repeatable quest with a nice reward or a huge bonus for vanquishing an area or SOMETHING. Right now, the only way to increase ranks in the title is to go in a few areas, kill random things with no purpose, and repeat. For people who hate grinding, this sucks, and we are limited in the game because of it. Either remove the requirement or provide a way to quickly gain points that doesn't involve going around killing things without rhyme or reason. Lets take the grind out of grind wars! Also, for the "high end" people who like farming and think this would make them angry, they still have those ridiculous crafters that require 75 ecto for a pair of gloves. With my suggestion implemented, "normal" people can play without grinding and still get the armor we were promised when we got the game, and "elite" people can go buy their 75 ecto gloves. Everyone has something. |
Not that hard.
/NOT-SIGNED!
jkyarr
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
Hi, As you all know the current system to be able to buy armors from GW:EN requires you to have a certain title and this requires grinding something not everyone enjoys. Sign the petition please so everyone can get their favorite armor without doing something they DON'T like.
- Ganni |
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...97&postcount=5
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Originally Posted by jkyarr
I have to bring something up here. Y'all are working with the wrong understanding of what a grind is. You can't define it as the distance in effort between point/achievement A and point/achievement B. That's called a journey. Journeys typically consist of some sort of tasks. With gaming unless the number of instances where such tasks can be carried out are so few that the same encounters have to be reused, you don't really have a "grind". If you make your own choice to re-instantiate the same encounter repetitively then you are willfully making your own grind. When the storyarc, size of zones, and number of encounters are designed to allow you to progress through your objectives or tasks at an adequate rate (meaning it coincides with the timing of the story and plot-necessary events) then there is no inherent grind!
In this context, the complaint that you can't buy and sell from the NPCs in northern towns just because you think you should be able to, FAILS. Why? Because the story provides plot reasons for you to be restricted, and it provides you a means to overcome the restrictions. That's design, not grind. Honestly who's going to whine because the story requires them to do something? Or did I miss the thread where some asked to be able to ascend in pre-searing? Why can't I just win the game without even getting my character out of bed? I mean geeze Anet! Getting my character to walk is such a grind! Fix it! |
jkyarr
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Originally Posted by Series
2. Anet provides NO WAY TO INCREASE THESE TITLES other then to go around killing things over and over and over again. Quests and such will only get you so far... not far at all!
Right now, the only way to increase ranks in the title is to go in a few areas, kill random things with no purpose, and repeat. |
To quote one of my favorite people
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...97&postcount=5
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Originally Posted by jkyarr
I have to bring something up here. Y'all are working with the wrong understanding of what a grind is. You can't define it as the distance in effort between point/achievement A and point/achievement B. That's called a journey. Journeys typically consist of some sort of tasks. With gaming unless the number of instances where such tasks can be carried out are so few that the same encounters have to be reused, you don't really have a "grind". If you make your own choice to re-instantiate the same encounter repetitively then you are willfully making your own grind. When the storyarc, size of zones, and number of encounters are designed to allow you to progress through your objectives or tasks at an adequate rate (meaning it coincides with the timing of the story and plot-necessary events) then there is no inherent grind!
In this context, the complaint that you can't buy and sell from the NPCs in northern towns just because you think you should be able to, FAILS. Why? Because the story provides plot reasons for you to be restricted, and it provides you a means to overcome the restrictions. That's design, not grind. Honestly who's going to whine because the story requires them to do something? Or did I miss the thread where some asked to be able to ascend in pre-searing? Why can't I just win the game without even getting my character out of bed? I mean geeze Anet! Getting my character to walk is such a grind! Fix it! |