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Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 19:55 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Even the Grotto/Citadel armors is a grind.
UAX'ing is a grind..

15k armor is only a grind if you want to farm for it. I got 15k armor on my Ranger by doing missions, saving gold, and using the merch. Not grinding.

I got UAX by doing GvG, which isn't a grind. Every match is different, which is what makes it appealing to me (IMO, it's the only part of the game left that's really worth experiencing).

Sometimes, I'd like to get armors and stuff without using the same formula over and over... and over... and over: talk to the NPC's at the rez shrine, and wipe an area full of NM monsters, lather, rinse, repeat.

Seriously, if I have the money, what more do you want? If you want to require a title for armor, why not just have a little timer next to the price at the NPC? Like,

"Asuran Cuirass 5k, 150 Iron Ingots, 15 Steel Ingots, 7 h 43 mins of farming remaining."

and just have it count down until you have the required number of farming hours.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

30 Jan 2008 at 19:59 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Um...what if i forget something and have to leave Fissure of Woe?
Oh wait...I have to repeat it again dont i?

Oh come now. You know full well that would be the player not the game requiring them to repeat an area.
Please lets not sink down into silly arguments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

How many times do you have to go into UW and FoW to have enough ectos and shards, or how many hours of farming, or trading or chest running do you need to do?

Possibly none.
If you happen to get a good drop(s) you can make enough money to afford it before you even reach it.

But even should you reach there with 0 gold you can get that without grinding. The thing with making gold is pretty much any activity allows you to get it. So at no point would you have to repeat stuff.

For example you do some runs, do some HM, do some trading, cap some skills etc. Of course you can pick any of these you want and not have to repeat them.

Unlike rep points that are tied to very small areas of the game and require you to repeat parts of the game to aquire more.
For example I cant choose to go off and do Proph while still getting points, I cant go and trade and still get points, I cant go and do some PvP and still gets points.

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

30 Jan 2008 at 20:00 - 243

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Um...what if i forget something and have to leave Fissure of Woe?
Oh wait...I have to repeat it again dont i?

How many times do you have to go into UW and FoW to have enough ectos and shards, or how many hours of farming, or trading or chest running do you need to do?

Face it. The grind is there.

Its a different type of grind, and may appeal to a different user, but its STILL a grind.

However Anet designed the barrier to access something, theres a barrier there. You need to look through the transparency and see the design of things instead of looking so blindly at the surface.

Fine, fine. Barrier. Can't start life as a successful CEO out of Kindergarten. Yada yada yada.

Go make a game that hands everyone anything they want for only a few hours invested per month. Yup. That's enjoyable. "Huh, I logged in and made level 2. I moved and made level 3. I opened my inventory and made level 4 and was handed top end gear of every skin I could possibly hope for."

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 20:04 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

15k armor is only a grind if you want to farm for it. I got 15k armor on my Ranger by doing missions, saving gold, and using the merch. Not grinding.

According to our buddy Isileth, doing anything repetitive is a grind.

Guild Wars missions are basically:
-Go from point A to point B (sometimes with a time limit)
-Kill C
-Keep D from dying.

How repetitive is that? No matter how you dress it up, its all the same.

Quote:

I got UAX by doing GvG, which isn't a grind. Every match is different, which is what makes it appealing to me (IMO, it's the only part of the game left that's really worth experiencing).

Oh really? So you're telling me the goals in GvG are different each time?

Break it down it falls into a few basic goals. Kill the Guild Lord, or kill the other team so they cannot ressurect, or make them quit.

THATS IT.

How you choose to do that is up to you, and thats whats fun. But you can't deny that one way or another, you're basically doing the same thing, in different ways.

Quote:

Sometimes, I'd like to get armors and stuff without using the same formula over and over... and over... and over: talk to the NPC's at the rez shrine, and wipe an area full of NM monsters, lather, rinse, repeat.

Which is basically what youve been doing in your missions.

Quote:

Seriously, if I have the money, what more do you want? If you want to require a title for armor, why not just have a little timer next to the price at the NPC? Like,

"Asuran Cuirass 5k, 150 Iron Ingots, 15 Steel Ingots, 7 h 43 mins of farming remaining."

and just have it count down until you have the required number of farming hours.

Because a countdown is not gameplay....

edit: You forget the major weakness of gold as a means of prestige, Isileth. It's transferable.

A player with FOW armor is indicative of time spent, but not neccesarily by that player.

A lvl 5 Asuran ranked Warrior gained that only through gameplay through THAT character. That is the design. That is the purpose.

Money becomes meaningless if you don't play the game to reach the rank required.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

30 Jan 2008 at 20:13 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

According to our buddy Isileth, doing anything repetitive is a grind.

Guild Wars missions are basically:
-Go from point A to point B (sometimes with a time limit)
-Kill C
-Keep D from dying.

How repetitive is that? No matter how you dress it up, its all the same.

Oh really? So you're telling me the goals in GvG are different each time?

Break it down it falls into a few basic goals. Kill the Guild Lord, or kill the other team so they cannot ressurect, or make them quit.

THATS IT.

Now in both of those cases does exactly the same thing happen everytime?
No, of course it doesnt.

Each mission is different. Different enemies, different goals etc
GvG along with any PvP is always different because unlike AI players wont do the exact same thing each time.

Each game is different. Different players, different builds, different maps, different tactics, different outcomes, completely different play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

How you choose to do that is up to you, and thats whats fun. But you can't deny that one way or another, you're basically doing the same thing, in different ways.

In that case almost everything can be classed as grind.
Playing golf on different courses? Well you swing the same clubs and the goal is the same so the experience is obviousely the same.
Lets ignore all the different things however, the different shots you need to play, the different conditions etc. Its basically the same thing right?

The problem is, in a game nothing changes when AI is concerned.

They will spawn in the same spot, use the exact same skills, patrol the same routes. It will always be the same.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

30 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 246

problem has been fixed with the buff to handbooks
do all teh missions, get 25k faction, turn it in for what faction u want, get armor. Want it for 2 factions, do all teh dungeons, they give 30k faction. Want all 4 faction, well guess what, there HM versions of both. There you go, you can get all 4 armor without having to repeat (grind) anything.

Reinfire

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Amsterdam, NL

The Guild of Cunning Artificiers [ANKH]

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30 Jan 2008 at 20:15 - 247

/not signed

You can pretty much have all 4 titles on r5 by barely grinding at all. Just do every quest and dungeon and you are pretty much there. I did 15/18 dungeons so far and I got r4, r4, r6 and r7. I did do some grind but only on the r7 title (dwarf)

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 20:20 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

Now in both of those cases does exactly the same thing happen everytime?
No, of course it doesnt.

Each mission is different. Different enemies, different goals etc
GvG along with any PvP is always different because unlike AI players wont do the exact same thing each time.

Each game is different. Different players, different builds, different maps, different tactics, different outcomes, completely different play.

In that case almost everything can be classed as grind.
Playing golf on different courses? Well you swing the same clubs and the goal is the same so the experience is obviousely the same.
Lets ignore all the different things however, the different shots you need to play, the different conditions etc. Its basically the same thing right?

The problem is, in a game nothing changes when AI is concerned.

They will spawn in the same spot, use the exact same skills, patrol the same routes. It will always be the same.

It is all the same.

It doesn't matter what factors you do to mix it up, in the end, its all the same.

Golf is golf and all the rules are the same. Get the ball in the hole in the least number of strokes.

The problem is not that there is a grind.
The problem is that the grind doesn't appeal to you.

Therefore the SOLUTION is not to remove the grind, but to make it MORE FUN to appeal to more player types.

As other have pointed out, the BOOKS have been buffed to hell already. I personally don't do the books since dungeons bore me, and mindless grinding is much more relaxing.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

30 Jan 2008 at 20:21 - 249

/signed

This is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing joke really. Just to get a damn armor I have to grind through the whole story to fill up a hero book? wtf is that.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

30 Jan 2008 at 20:24 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpphantom

Go make a game that hands everyone anything they want for only a few hours invested per month. Yup. That's enjoyable. "Huh, I logged in and made level 2. I moved and made level 3. I opened my inventory and made level 4 and was handed top end gear of every skin I could possibly hope for."

Unfortunately, that seems to be what a lot of people are asking for.

In the 32 months that I have been playing GW I have seen things getting easier all the time. Heroes (luv 'em) Consumables (I don't use them) and a host of other things.

The other night I helped a guildy cap Avatar of Balthazar. I told him how difficult it was, remembering that the fort always seemed to empty out and come straight at the party when you got too close. This time it was easy. Balthazar marched out flanked by just two rangers and we pwnd him rather easily.

Getting reputation up high enough to get the GWEN armors is a 'walk in the park'. But why even bother walking in the park when we can sit on the park bench and have the armor delivered?

Please don't bother quoting this post. I've been following this thread for a while and just felt like putting in my 2 cents before I move on.

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

30 Jan 2008 at 20:26 - 251

The armor is expensive enough as it is and eye of the north is pretty short.
Maybe if we have more access to things instead of doing stuff you never get a chance to do, people would play eye of the north more.

I think the ranks should simply be lower requirements ,since it is really boring to grind your titles.
Guild wars is a strategy rpg.Not an mmo.I hope Anet didn't forget that.

/sort of signed

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

30 Jan 2008 at 20:27 - 252

/notsigned

Would sort of ruin the point of those Merchants if you ask me.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

30 Jan 2008 at 20:38 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

It is all the same.

It doesn't matter what factors you do to mix it up, in the end, its all the same.

Golf is golf and all the rules are the same. Get the ball in the hole in the least number of strokes.

Are you actually suggesting that true? That because some things dont change nothing changes?

Are you saying playing on a different golf course doesnt have a single effect on playing golf?

In that case everyones life is the same. I mean your born, you live you die right.
Lets ignore all the details and things that change and make it different.

Yes the very core of each mission is the same. The core being that its GW.
But the enemes you face change.
The map you are on changes.
The goals change.

Unless you are suggesting that fighting a warrior in a pool of lava is the same gameplay as fighting a team of monks in a forest....

Its quite obvious there is a difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

The problem is not that there is a grind.
The problem is that the grind doesn't appeal to you.

Therefore the SOLUTION is not to remove the grind, but to make it MORE FUN to appeal to more player types.

Actually the fact there is grind is the problem.
It makes it boring skill less gameplay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Getting reputation up high enough to get the GWEN armors is a 'walk in the park'. But why even bother walking in the park when we can sit on the park bench and have the armor delivered?

What people seem to be missing is that this isnt asking to make the game easier. I for one think it is far to easy.

And I think the grind titles are part of that problem.
They are all completely time based. You dont need skill to get them.

I would much rather see the game get a lot harder and require skill>time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Please don't bother quoting this post. I've been following this thread for a while and just felt like putting in my 2 cents before I move on.

Sorry

But if you read it or not doesnt matter, its there for others to read as well.

Reptile

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

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30 Jan 2008 at 22:15 - 254

/not signed

If you really want something, work for it. It will make having it mean more.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

31 Jan 2008 at 01:28 - 255

/signed
I don't wanna grind books out just for my armour.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

31 Jan 2008 at 01:35 - 256

/signed

I think it's stupid how they set it up to where you'd have to grind in the first place just for armor (especially reskinned). I think half the reason most people bought GWEN was because of the new armors, and then they found out you have to be a certain rank to even SEE them, plus they're reskins. Totally stupid.

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

31 Jan 2008 at 01:38 - 257

I'm very anti-grind and I don't subscribe to the whole "work for it" motto, but really, since they upped the book rewards I don't really see the need to change this. Finish the game hand in your books and you'll be at L5 without having to grind at all.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

R/

31 Jan 2008 at 01:50 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

I'm very anti-grind and I don't subscribe to the whole "work for it" motto, but really, since they upped the book rewards I don't really see the need to change this. Finish the game hand in your books and you'll be at L5 without having to grind at all.

True but who wants to do the GWEN quests 500 times for points? In a way it's still grinding.

Steps_Descending

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

IN my pocket plane. Obviously!

Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom]

Me/Mo

31 Jan 2008 at 01:59 - 259

ok ....

1 way to go is clearing zones, in NM (easy) you get 5k in 1.5 hour (the time of a run for me with non-optimal builds). r5 is 26k faction, you can get r2 or r3 with just the campaign (that'S 18 to 22k in faction for r5), so you need... 6 hours to get he armor (just the time needed to get to know the run well enough). the minimum play-time is 1.5 hour, if you think that's too much for you in 1 session : go play faction : that and prophecy are teh only GW you have the time to play.

1 full hero hand book is 20k, 5 pages are present in new books (16page -5 = 11 pages).
So 1 book gives you the armor... 11 quest at 2 quest /1.5 hour (the general time for a mission if you DONT have optimal tactic) : that's 7 hour.
first off : 7 hour of playtime is NOT heavy-grind. Second, you need to at least play 3/4 hour per play-session, if you think that is too much :
go back to play counter stryke, but be carefull: you need to grind for your money!

Some people put more value in an item if it's not giving freely to them.
Not willing to play for your pretty skin ? bye bye!

/NOTSIGNED (if it's still needed)

John Panda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

in my house

The Arctic Maruarders [TAM]

A/

31 Jan 2008 at 02:01 - 260

as much as i'd like to have my work cut out for me..

/notsigned.

Steps_Descending

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom]

Me/Mo

31 Jan 2008 at 02:03 - 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

True but who wants to do the GWEN quests 500 times for points? In a way it's still grinding.

FALSE! you do them once to finish them (first title)

then a 2nd time (second armor)

then a 3rd time IF you need yet another armor, in wich case you have farmed for your money or use Ebay (third armor)

then a 4 time because you now know them like the back of you hand and just feel like do them again (4th armor)

then type /beatgw:en

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

31 Jan 2008 at 02:05 - 262

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

True but who wants to do the GWEN quests 500 times for points? In a way it's still grinding.

Its no different to having the elite canthan armours available in the endzone of factions. When you complete the main storyline you will have the armour availble to you.

Steps_Descending

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

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Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom]

Me/Mo

31 Jan 2008 at 02:08 - 263

Hey cellarDweller is it me or this is starting to be running in circle.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

31 Jan 2008 at 02:39 - 264

GW:EN is non lineal, and have books, and a lot of things to do around to get points.

It's only rank 5. Clearing 3..5 areas and some luck with bonuses and you are done, rank 5.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

31 Jan 2008 at 03:16 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

Its no different to having the elite canthan armours available in the endzone of factions. When you complete the main storyline you will have the armour availble to you.

no because once you beat the game you have access to it. With gwen its beat the game then turn in points to get r5. OR you have to grind area and farm points.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

31 Jan 2008 at 03:43 - 266

Or you can make 2 dungeons.

It's not a campaign, there are no missions, just dungeons and quests. There are a lot of thing to do.

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Charter Vanguard [CV]

N/Me

31 Jan 2008 at 04:11 - 267

...you think ONE playthrough of EotN to get armor is grind?

Wow.

/notsigned

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

31 Jan 2008 at 04:12 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

no because once you beat the game you have access to it. With gwen its beat the game then turn in points to get r5. OR you have to grind area and farm points.

R5 is 26000, 20000 of which comes from the handbook you get by completing the game. Even if you did nothing but complete the primary quests and didn't pick up a single blessing along the way, you would have reached r5 deldrimore and asuran, and the other two are covered by taking blessings as you go.

Vanguard:
Search for the Ebon Vanguard 250
The Missing Vanguard 1000
Assault on the stronghold 1000
Against the char 1000
Dawn of the Rebellion 250
what must be done 250
Warband of Brothers 1500
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Total points after finishing - 5250

Asura:
Knowledgable Asura 1000
Finding the Bloodston 3000
Finding Gadd 250
The elusive geomancer 3000
Lab space 250
A little help 250
G.O.L.E.M 1500
-------------
Total points after finishing - 9250

Norn:
Northen allies 1000
Tracking the nornbear 250
Curse of the nornbear 1000
Flames of the bear spirit 250
Blood washes blood 500
A gate too far 1000
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Total points after finishing - 4000

Deldrimore:
A time for heroes 5000
Against the destoryers 1000
Destruction's depths 3000
Heart of the shiverpeaks 1750
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Total points after finishing - 10750

If the requirement was r10, r8 or even r6 I'd be on your side because then you really would be grinding, but the game is designed so that you'll finish at r5 which is why I'm ok with it.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

31 Jan 2008 at 04:14 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

no because once you beat the game you have access to it. With gwen its beat the game then turn in points to get r5. OR you have to grind area and farm points.

So...it's the same, except you also have the "grind" option; if you want to, it's faster. Where's the problem?

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

31 Jan 2008 at 06:14 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Make the title account based, and then you only need to do it with one character.

Now THAT I can agree with! I don't mind having to do it once for each track, but having to do it each time for each character really does start to be grind after the third of fourth time you want a simple pair of sun glasses.

And in a quick response to your other post from me; yes, it does seem a bit ludicrous to compare having to earn prestige in a game to buying things in Taiwan. But, on the other side of that token, doesn't it also seem a bit odd to have to earn 'respect' from a bunch of 0's and 1's? Where exactly do we draw the line at comparisons?

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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31 Jan 2008 at 07:51 - 271

Lets Make ectos drop everywhere.

I think someone say getting elite armor is prestigious and to be prestigious you have to grind and grind is bad, so to take out the grinding factor in GW by eliminating the grind for gold to buy ectos, I petition to make ectos drop everywhere.

To be honest, i've been collecting ectos since I started playing, that is 2 years plus ago, and I still don't have enought gold and ectos to make ONE FoW armor for my male necro. Do I complain that the armorer is too far away, do I complain that ectos is way to expensive and needs to grind to get? well NO. so comparing to FoW armor, GWEN's armor is 100 time easier to obtain SO WHY ARE YOU GUYS MOANING? Not to mention you can't go to FoW with Heros/Hench, plus you use to have to pay 1k to go there.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

31 Jan 2008 at 07:57 - 272

while I can understand that getting 40k faction is a bit daunting at first (and on the 2nd and etc characters), it does make it more desirable ---not quite within easy reach, some effort required.
At first I was also unhappy about the amount needed, but seeing as I have done r5 with about 6 characters already (and still need to punch out a few factions more on others), its getting easier for me (just dont like the ebon ones---need more areas for that).

so I will have to agree with the
/not signed
group .....would have had it rather be like 36k, but heck thats only 1 more time clearing out the area---and whats one more time when you have already done it 10????

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

31 Jan 2008 at 11:01 - 273

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operative 14

Now THAT I can agree with! I don't mind having to do it once for each track, but having to do it each time for each character really does start to be grind after the third of fourth time you want a simple pair of sun glasses.

And in a quick response to your other post from me; yes, it does seem a bit ludicrous to compare having to earn prestige in a game to buying things in Taiwan. But, on the other side of that token, doesn't it also seem a bit odd to have to earn 'respect' from a bunch of 0's and 1's? Where exactly do we draw the line at comparisons?

That begs the queston, why are you playing a computer game if you only look at the entire thing as 0s and 1s?

If you want to interact with real people and accomplish things which you feel are worth while because the people involved are real, then go to the pub and socialise. I know id much rather be down the pub right now, then sat at a PC replying to this!

If you choose to play an RPG/MMO which has a set storyline and character development and deep interaction between characters and races, then you have to accept the boundaries of that storyline. In this case the fact you have to earn respect from the Norn, Asura, Drawf and Vanguard before they make you armor and weapons.

If you dont want to play a game with a storyline and all you want is to "do as you please" then find a different game. Go play Halo where all you have to do is kill stuff. But if you choose to play an RPG you have to accept there is going to be aspects like this.

Sorry I know that all sounds harsh, but im finding it astounding people cant grasp this idea of needing to show the races in GWEN that you're worthy of their gear before they make it for you.

People rave about the storylines in GWs and yet right now, all im hearing is "screw the storyline as long as I get what I want easier".

Does it not matter that by removing the rank requirement it will kill the entire point of doing quests for these people, in order to prove yourself? As I said; Make the titles account based, so atleast you have to earn that respect once, and then you can do "as you want".

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

31 Jan 2008 at 11:41 - 274

What galls me over this whole "respect" thing: I don't remeber any Dwarves fighting by my side when I held off the assault at Thunderhead Keep. Where were the Norns when I was huting Titan Lords. An Asurian would have been nice when I went after gods.

I've been kicking a$$ and taking names all over this planet. What have the Norns been doing, woking on their drunkard title. I'm to good for them, frankly.

"I can be a bear!!", "Wow, I can be an avatar of a god"
"I can create a level 20 Mursaat for 1 minute", "Wow, I can create a level 26 flesh golem, for 5 minutes"
"I go into caves" "Wow, I go into the realms of the gods"
"We fight Charr", "Wow, I fight gods"

Big Freaken Deal!!!

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

31 Jan 2008 at 12:07 - 275

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

What galls me over this whole "respect" thing: I don't remeber ant Dwarves fighting by my side when I held off the assault at Thunderhead Keep. Where were the Norns when I was huting Titan Lords. An Asurian would have been nice when I went after gods.

I've been kicking a$$ and taking names all this planet. What have the Norns been doing, woking on their drunkard title. I'm to good for them, frankly.

"I can be a bear!!", "Wow, I can be an avatar of a god"
"I can create a level 20 Mursaat for 1 minute", "Wow, I can create a level 26 flesh golem, for 5 minutes"
"I go into caves" "Wow, I go int the realms of the gods"
"We fight Charr", "Wow, I fight gods"

Big Freaken Deal!!!

Its amazing how a person can blow something out of proportion and twist it in such a negative way, simply to try and make their point.

People are looking far too much into this whole "reputation" thing!

Its just a "freaken" game! Did the canthas or elonians come to help us fight the flame seeker? Nope! Did the tyrians help anyone from cantha or elona? Nope!

Guess what... thats because their different campaigns and expansions!!

*big bright bulb above head*

Their storylines are meant to be seperate from one another for the most part. Yes there will be the odd character move over between lands or maybe come accross the same demi-boss, but their fundimentally different games.

Stop over complicating this stuff with "well the Norn didnt help me in tyria" or "the Drawfs in prophercies make your armor or free". Those are different games and different drawfs.

GWEN is primarily made up races and cultures who havent had much contact with humans. We only see Drawfs in prophercies when we enter the southern shiverpeaks, but those drawfs have had years of human contact and respect humans.

Any drawfs or vanguard in GWEN havent!

Its just simply meant to get this idea accross that GWEN is a new land, brely explored and touched by tyrians. So you have to earn respect from the new people there.

Kurt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Belgium

N/

31 Jan 2008 at 12:13 - 276

You're joking right? It's so easy to reach rank 5 in a title

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

31 Jan 2008 at 14:23 - 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Its just simply meant to get this idea accross that GWEN is a new land, brely explored and touched by tyrians. So you have to earn respect from the new people there.

I dont even see this as a respect thing. Its just like the SS/LB points in nightfall.

Rank is designed to measure forward storyline progress that can be achieved through pure grinding (if you didnt like quests).

In essence it replaces gates from factions in limiting how far you can go or what you can do until you finish a specific goal.

"I have to reach Rank 5" is essentially the same as "I have to beat Shiro and talk to the armorer guy at the very end".

We can debate how much boring the journey can be one way or another, but the design of the system is the same either way: PLAY THE GAME, SO YOU CAN GET THE STUFF

to which some people will say "But I don't wanna...its boring! Just give me the stuff."

Thats how i see this whole situation.

Mordiego

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2007

Pozna??, UTC+1

We Are From Poland [Pol]

N/A

31 Jan 2008 at 14:57 - 278

OMG! 14 pages thread about making some items more easily available at times of such depreciation and devaluation!!!! an outrage!!

I'd sign under making all monsters +2 lvls, all GWEN armors available at rank 6, Obsidian Armor available for KoBD R1+ only, Tormented gear for 20 gemsets, severeing Torment environment effects, adding similiar effects to Deep and Urgoz, etc.

can someone pls close this? outrageous demands should be enough for a ban! jeez guys- tha game is about achieveing things not getting them for 5-minute play. period. grow up

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

31 Jan 2008 at 15:05 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordiego

OMG! 14 pages thread about making some items more easily available at times of such depreciation and devaluation!!!! an outrage!!

I'd sign under making all monsters +2 lvls, all GWEN armors available at rank 6, Obsidian Armor available for KoBD R1+ only, Tormented gear for 20 gemsets, severeing Torment environment effects, adding similiar effects to Deep and Urgoz, etc.

can someone pls close this? outrageous demands should be enough for a ban! jeez guys- tha game is about achieveing things not getting them for 5-minute play. period. grow up

I think you will find most people asking for this change dont want stuff easier. They just dont want grind.

I would support having harder enemies for example, but I wouldnt support needing KOABD to get armor.
Even if the grind isnt done away with at least give an option for non grind. Such as access to them if you complete the game. (The storyline)

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

31 Jan 2008 at 15:34 - 280

Just remove the requirement for the Dwarf armor. Why should I have to be r5 in their faction if I can't display their armor in HoM?