Make all grind-based titles account based.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
Maybe they should give you the game already completed too.../facepalm

/not signed

If you dont want to put the effort in to get a title then fine, but dont QQ that you dont have it.

I have maxed SS and LB on several chars, its pretty easy to do one char completely on a special weekend (I usually get 2 done) so please dont say its hard.

Yes, I have GWAMM and am working on KoaBD on other chars, making titles account wide would yet again be anet sticking (1 or 2) fingers up at the people who made the effort.
Please uninstall the game for the entire community's sake. You obviously either choose to be ignorant or just have no common sense. This doesn't reduce the grind at all, you still have to do the same amount of grind, it's just that we aren't being punished for choosing which characters to do the grind on.

By comparing this to actually playing through the game is just retarded and shows your lack of knowledge. Doing hundreds of SS/LB runs is not the same thing as completing Hell's Precipice.

darkdawn

darkdawn

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Canada

[QUE]

/signed for everything exept lightbringer, sunspear, norn, azuran, deldrimor and vanguard. Points in these affect some quest and some skills so it should stay character based.

seut

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinn
its pretty clear to me that for certain titles, there needs to be a way to accelerate the points accumulation for other characters, once you've acheived the title for one already.

For example it would make no sense for a new character to start with r10 Norn, but I see nothing wrong with that character having a certain multiplier on their Norn points accumulation, after another character has already maxed Norn. The multiplier could even increase as more characters on the account max that title.

Call it the "friends in high places" mechanic, if you want
something like this?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10281437

komma

komma

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

None

N/

titles are fine the way they are....

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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No, they are not, that's why people keep complaining.

It's ok if you have 1 or 2 characters. But if you have 10 it's not the same.

Dr.Jones

Dr.Jones

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
No, they are not, that's why people keep complaining.

It's ok if you have 1 or 2 characters. But if you have 10 it's not the same.
10 characters ftw @seut grate idea i would actually like that as a compromise to the titles that would not make seance to be account based.

Ultima pyromancer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

Me/

/signed

everybody will be GWAM soon so what does it matter if crap titles like ss/lb/norn etc. are account based?

Parson Brown

Parson Brown

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

In ur base...

The one true [Hope]

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Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
*****Agreed with the above

- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
***** Disagree with these for a reason the OP hinted at... Maxing one of these titles makes it much easier for future characters to complete campaigns. I mean starting Nightfall with Max Lightbringer?

No_Burdens

No_Burdens

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

[TKE]

W/Mo

/signed still yet again

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parson Brown
Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
*****Agreed with the above

- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
***** Disagree with these for a reason the OP hinted at... Maxing one of these titles makes it much easier for future characters to complete campaigns. I mean starting Nightfall with Max Lightbringer?
Starting Factions with Max Luxon/Kurzick.

Quote:
Maxing one of these titles makes it much easier for future characters to complete campaigns.
You mean... if someone already did it 5 times, he must do it 5 more times? God.

Stop being so god damn selfish. Some people have 10 character and you are forcing us/them to use just one or two. We are not asking for repeatable end-game rewards or 50k for every mission, it's a simple thing so that people having multiple characters don't have to suffer needlessly.

JupiterStarWarrior

JupiterStarWarrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2008

Oklahoma City

Noble Order Of Valiant Angels

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Actually starting Factions with Maxed Luxon/Kurzick Title Tracks has no effect on the game (except when you start getting those Skills), at least none that I've seen. What DOES affect the campaign is how much UNSPENT Kurzick/Faction you've got.

I disagree with this because I think it's fine the way it is. The title tracks mentioned (Asuran, Deldrimor, Norn, etc) should be character-based. Why? Because each character should have a base reputation. I mean, think of it logically (like someone who doesn't know what's happening, what's going on, etc.)...

Character A (who should be referred to as "You") arrive at Eye of the North. The Asurans don't know you. The Norn don't know you. If you're from Tyria, the dwarves have seen you. But if you're from Cantha or Elona, they don't. Same with the Ebon Vanguard. Actually, come to think of it, the Ebon Vanguard may not even know you at all. You're from Tyria and know Gwen, but you don't know her fate since the Searing. Then you start to build a rapport with these people. You "accumulate reputation", as it were. Soon, you're well known with these people.

Character B (who we should say could be a family member, or something; something to represent a "real-world second character" in the same place and time), meanwhile, starts off same as you do. So, it doesn't make sense that this second character would have more reputation than you would when you're just starting out.

You have to remember that when you do a mission, you're playing that mission in the time line that mission was set for. For example, let's say you're doing the Nolani Academy mission, then go through the Shiverpeaks to the Gates of Kryta. If you decide to do the Nolani Academy mission again, you're back in the frame of time before the events at Gates of Kryta were done.

It's hard to explain, but that's the best I can do for now. >_>

bryann380

bryann380

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima pyromancer
everybody will be GWAM soon
Correction... not "everyboby" will ever get that. My main character is almost 3 years old and is not even at the first tier of KoaBD. Personally, it wouldn't bother me if I never did. Unlike most GW players these days, I'm not obsessed with vanity or title prestige.

And in my opinion, all titles should be character based. I repeat, ALL titles. That includes PvP ones. If your main character reached r6 or whatever after weeks/months of gameplay, why should a brand new pvp character you make automatically be that rank too? He was just created and didn't even earn 1 point of that rank himself.

Why should one character be rewarded for another character's accomplishments?

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by bryann380

And in my opinion, all titles should be character based. I repeat, ALL titles. That includes PvP ones. If your main character reached r6 or whatever after weeks/months of gameplay, why should a brand new pvp character you make automatically be that rank too? He was just created and didn't even earn 1 point of that rank himself.

Why should one character be rewarded for another character's accomplishments?
Some people don't take role-playing that seriously to think of each of their characters individually. I just think "Well, me, *insert your real life name here*, achieved rank 6 in Hero's Ascent, so, I should have that rank if I play the game."

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

IMO don't make them account based.

For every character on your account who has attained the maximum rank in a grind-based title (SS, LB, reputation), all other characters in your account need 20% less points for each rank in that title.

Ziggy546

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2007

Fire and [ICE]

P/Me

Look let me put it simply as a person who has 10 characters. I'd love for Drunkard, Sweet tooth, party animal, treasure hunter, and wisdom to be account wide. But I see no reason as to why Sunspear/Light Bringer/GWEN have to be account wide. If you beat gwen, you get a rank 5 in something, Sunspear if you beat nightfall you get a rank 7 in, and Light Bringer you can get a rank 5 in easily. They aren't hard titles to max at all. Now I see how people are saying "well, you start factions out with max Kurzick/luxon". Yeah do you know how long it takes to do that. Its an extra 4 levels above Ss/lb/gwen. And not to mention its difficult, lots of abing or hfffing. Which needless to say = a lot of time. You should actually want to play not have stuff handed to you and by making ss/lb/gwen account wide you've now introduced a new form of laziness.

Thizzle

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2008

Why does everyone think this issue is about obtaining GWAMM? I personally don't give a rat's ass what it says under my name. It's about the fact that it takes a huge amount of time to max reputation titles alone and to do it on more than 1 character is just ridiculous.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thizzle
Why does everyone think this issue is about obtaining GWAMM? I personally don't give a rat's ass what it says under my name. It's about the fact that it takes a huge amount of time to max reputation titles alone and to do it on more than 1 character is just ridiculous.
Exactly!
People opened chests before Treasure Hunter or GWAMM ever existed.
People identified items before Wisdom or GWAMM ever existed.

And I also gave one or two qys to prevent characters from getting insta-GWAMM, like keeping two titles, one account and one character, and using the character version for GWAMM and plot and the account version for skills and effect.

So the only ones that can really opose this are the ones that got GWAMM with ore than one character and want everyone to grind in the same way.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

I marvel at the sheer number of signatures on this thread. The HoM update is going in the right direction, but I still think I agree that they should be account based, and not just account displayed...

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parson Brown
Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
*****Agreed with the above

- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
***** Disagree with these for a reason the OP hinted at... Maxing one of these titles makes it much easier for future characters to complete campaigns. I mean starting Nightfall with Max Lightbringer?

I would agree with that

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parson Brown
Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
*****Agreed with the above

- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
***** Disagree with these for a reason the OP hinted at... Maxing one of these titles makes it much easier for future characters to complete campaigns. I mean starting Nightfall with Max Lightbringer?
Asura, Deldrimor, Ebon and Norn do not however affect gamplay. I can agree with you on Lightbringer and Sunspear, but the others are really only for PvE skills and armour. You still need to do EOTN to actually GET the PvE skill, and apart from the cosmetic aspect there is no reason why those 4 shouldnt' be account based. After all, I find it VERY annoying having to grind or play all the way through EOTN just to buy armour...

spyke136

spyke136

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/

Okay how about Asura/Norn/Vanguard/Delver/SS/LB are all account based for characters which have completed their respective campaign.

so you dont start out with max norn, but it gets "unlocked" once you beat EoTN because you already maxed it on another character.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by spyke136
Okay how about Asura/Norn/Vanguard/Delver/SS/LB are all account based for characters which have completed their respective campaign.

so you dont start out with max norn, but it gets "unlocked" once you beat EoTN because you already maxed it on another character.
Yes, I approve. That would definitely be a good way to go.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

this thread has to be closed now since the latest HoM update.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

no, why? They can only be DISPLAYED through account, it doesn't mean every character on your account has them...

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

I hate titles and I hate the fact that in order to get all the armor I want I will have to turn in 14 books just to get to rank 5 in a bunch of titles. I have ten characters and I do not have a main character so please stop punishing me for my play style.

I could not possible care less about getting “GWAM” or who has it and if you are actually crying because someone else is going to get your title, please uninstall the game.

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

/not signed

I would /sign if the update took the highest rank and gave to it all characters. I have another problem with this too "look at my level 1 KoaBD".

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

The only reason anyone could possibly /notsign this is either

A) I <3 Grind!

or

B) It might make my massive dick look small.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

from what everyone who signed this claim, basically

1) you don't want to grind right. don't tell me now that its not what you want.
2) you don't like epeen? see useless post above

but then all that you ask for are epeen stuffs that if you don't like grind and don't care for epeen you don't even have to bother playing anymore, but you continue to QQ and whine to get these stuffs you continuously says is "epeen that you don't want" .. why?

so I move for this thread to closed ... because

ARENA NET ALREADY MEET THESE EPEENERS HALF WAY BY MODIFYING THE HOM TO BE TOGGLEABLE BETWEEN ACCOUNT BASE AND CHARACTERS BASE .

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
this thread has to be closed now since the latest HoM update.
Latest? That has not been done yet, and we don't even know HOW will it be made.

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Well since the October update, wisdom and treasure hunter are now account based (for which I'm extremely grateful-since i no longer need to chest run on my monk main, and am spared the inconvenience of managing gold item logistics =D).

But I'm a little confused over the logic they used to decide that Sweet Tooth, party animal and Drunk tard were sufficiently different situation to Wisdom such that they didn't decide that making them account based was a good idea.

Both titles are in the same situation as Wisdom... however cost about one third of the cost of Wisdom....
They share the inconvenience of having to transfer items for usage, and with the additional inconvenience being the fact that you can only have a party on your main.

The only other thing is the cost...

rick1027

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by spyke136 View Post
Okay how about Asura/Norn/Vanguard/Delver/SS/LB are all account based for characters which have completed their respective campaign.

so you dont start out with max norn, but it gets "unlocked" once you beat EoTN because you already maxed it on another character.
i like this idea the max title not being unlocked til you finish the campaign and having these titles account based although i think they should up the title max number on all of them to at least double what they are now or better

Ryu_ookami

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Frogs From Hell

W/N

sunbringer will amost certainly never be account based as it would effect the story line and the questline i.e get to sunspear rank 1 etc

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Does anyone find it really annoying you don't have Drunk or Sweettooth titles account based? I don't use them on my main, but another character I made earlier has already built up in this area.

1337 H4X

1337 H4X

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2009

SNOW

Quote:
Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
Does anyone find it really annoying you don't have Drunk or Sweettooth titles account based? I don't use them on my main, but another character I made earlier has already built up in this area.

No, thats like saying everyone in a family are ale hounds, when only the father is an alchoholic

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

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it can be claimed that all titles are grinding, just with varying degrees of grind time. stop QQ'ing and just play on a single character =P

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc View Post
it can be claimed that all titles are grinding, just with varying degrees of grind time. stop QQ'ing and just play on a single character =P
I agree with this , for example the guardian titles and cartographer titles may not require you to kill loads of enemies but you need to kill a lot of time in order to complete them so theyre grinds to .

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Nah. 'Grind' is when you make the very same thing over and over.

Guardians require to kill different enemies in different regions while fullfilling different conditions. Each point is different and can't be acquired twice by the same character.

That's not 'grind'.

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
Nah. 'Grind' is when you make the very same thing over and over.

Guardians require to kill different enemies in different regions while fullfilling different conditions. Each point is different and can't be acquired twice by the same character.

That's not 'grind'.
Fine then maybe not all titles are a grind.

They're all killing time and if you would make them account based it would save you a lot of time if your having a lot of other characters that you consider to be important.

Pukachu

Pukachu

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

KBro

R/

I agree that drunkard, sweets and party points should be account based. For two reasons
1) Each title requires you spend an obscene amount of time and money (if you are buying all the points)
2) When farming on other chars besides my main title char, it is extremely helpful to be able to use the buffs that sweet items like cupcakes, candies etc provide I am reluctant to use them since I will be wasting points towards the title.

As for the other titles. Lb/SS are both very easy to achieve. They are plenty of options for farming them and vq's on top of that.
The eotn titles are the same, if you were going to do LMotN anyway, by the time you've finished nm,hm, dungeons nm and hm and the vqs you should've almost maxed everyone of them.

Thats my opinion anyway.

SpiritThief

SpiritThief

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

R/Me

This really needs a second thought now looking at the way the HoM rewards are account based in the end anyway.

For things like Drunkard, sweets, party etc.