I just meant for skills that are more useful with higher titles. Less grind = more enjoyment for me.
Make all grind-based titles account based.
Shadowhaze
lol. Well, I do enjoy it, otherwise I wouldn't play it.
I just meant for skills that are more useful with higher titles. Less grind = more enjoyment for me.
I just meant for skills that are more useful with higher titles. Less grind = more enjoyment for me.
komma
/notsigned, game is fine as is, title wise.
MithranArkanere
The thing here is not removing the grind.
The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grin again and again for each character.
yThe PLAYER has already ground the title. And it's not like a quest, that you make one once and done, you don't have to make it again with that character. So you don't have to repeat it countless times.
But with grind titles, the points are separate and meaningless. It's not an achievement.
A point in an achievement titles means that you have made various several separate tasks: Missions, Quests, Exploration, Vanquishing, Skill acquisition...
But a point of a grind title is meaningless. There do not include 'where' did you kill something, or what did you defeated.
It's just 'again and again, and again'.
It's not just 'grind'. You could consider making a mission 10 times 'grind'.
No. grind titles are worse than grind. They are grind of grind. It's like making the first objective of a mission 1000 times, without achieving anything until you have wasted a lot of time.
The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grin again and again for each character.
yThe PLAYER has already ground the title. And it's not like a quest, that you make one once and done, you don't have to make it again with that character. So you don't have to repeat it countless times.
But with grind titles, the points are separate and meaningless. It's not an achievement.
A point in an achievement titles means that you have made various several separate tasks: Missions, Quests, Exploration, Vanquishing, Skill acquisition...
But a point of a grind title is meaningless. There do not include 'where' did you kill something, or what did you defeated.
It's just 'again and again, and again'.
It's not just 'grind'. You could consider making a mission 10 times 'grind'.
No. grind titles are worse than grind. They are grind of grind. It's like making the first objective of a mission 1000 times, without achieving anything until you have wasted a lot of time.
I Can Cure Cancer
I agree with OP, I grinded a title with one character and now I have to do it again? nty
Thizzle
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The thing here is not removing the grind.
The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grin again and again for each character. yThe PLAYER has already ground the title. And it's not like a quest, that you make one once and done, you don't have to make it again with that character. So you don't have to repeat it countless times. But with grind titles, the points are separate and meaningless. It's not an achievement. A point in an achievement titles means that you have made various several separate tasks: Missions, Quests, Exploration, Vanquishing, Skill acquisition... But a point of a grind title is meaningless. There do not include 'where' did you kill something, or what did you defeated. It's just 'again and again, and again'. It's not just 'grind'. You could consider making a mission 10 times 'grind'. No. grind titles are worse than grind. They are grind of grind. It's like making the first objective of a mission 1000 times, without achieving anything until you have wasted a lot of time. |
Phoenix Tears
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BLAH BLAH BLAH. it's grind after you done it with with one character and get bored nobody cares about the how the charr all had buttsex with some asurans and created norn.
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Charlotte the Harlot
/signed, seems particularly relevant after after the account wide HoM announcement.
Marverick
/signed 100 times over
Why wasn't this included with the HoM?
Why wasn't this included with the HoM?
Murmel
/signed
Would be strange though with a lvl 1 pre-searing character with LB/SS maxed <.<
Would be strange though with a lvl 1 pre-searing character with LB/SS maxed <.<
wetwillyhip
/signed
with HoM changes to account-based, it makes perfect sense. I also have 10 lvl 20 PVE characters that have titles spread across all characters, this would really help me out!
with HoM changes to account-based, it makes perfect sense. I also have 10 lvl 20 PVE characters that have titles spread across all characters, this would really help me out!
gremlin
I absolutely love it when the justification for this is a total lie
Statements like
"The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grind again and again for each character."
what a load of bs
IS there someone with a gun in your back forcing you to get titles on all characters.
Perhaps you have been threatened with the loss of your gw account if you don't get titles for all characters.
You are not the character
The account is not the character
The character is an individual avatar in the game the only reason there is shared storage across an account is because it would be impossible for it to be organised in any other way.
But that doesn't mean we have to take the illogicality one step further to allow the greedy and lazy to get their way.
Some players prefer to work for what they gain and not have it given to them on a plate they also prefer there to be differences in their characters.
Have your way if you must just as long as there is an option to turn down the title on a character by character basis.
I don't want to just not use them I want them not listed on my characters at all.
One character may be drunk/lucky/unlucky or whatever but not all of them.
Have your way as I say just don't force everybody into living your dream.
Statements like
"The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grind again and again for each character."
what a load of bs
IS there someone with a gun in your back forcing you to get titles on all characters.
Perhaps you have been threatened with the loss of your gw account if you don't get titles for all characters.
You are not the character
The account is not the character
The character is an individual avatar in the game the only reason there is shared storage across an account is because it would be impossible for it to be organised in any other way.
But that doesn't mean we have to take the illogicality one step further to allow the greedy and lazy to get their way.
Some players prefer to work for what they gain and not have it given to them on a plate they also prefer there to be differences in their characters.
Have your way if you must just as long as there is an option to turn down the title on a character by character basis.
I don't want to just not use them I want them not listed on my characters at all.
One character may be drunk/lucky/unlucky or whatever but not all of them.
Have your way as I say just don't force everybody into living your dream.
Skye Marin
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- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Party Animal
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
to account-wide. Changing the rest would be alright with me, but plenty of folks have already maxed those titles on more than one character on there accounts, and would resent the extra work they put into those characters. That is, they probably wouldn't have done it again for another character if the reward was already given.
Targren
/very signed
One of the few good things about the Kurz and Luxon tracks was that they were acct-wide.
One of the few good things about the Kurz and Luxon tracks was that they were acct-wide.
Marverick
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I've agreed with this idea for a very long time, but I would limit the titles changed to exclude the PvE skill title tracks. In short, I strongly support changing:
- Drunkard - Sweet Tooth - Party Animal - Treasure Hunter - Wisdom to account-wide. Changing the rest would be alright with me, but plenty of folks have already maxed those titles on more than one character on there accounts, and would resent the extra work they put into those characters. That is, they probably wouldn't have done it again for another character if the reward was already given. |
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I absolutely love it when the justification for this is a total lie Statements like "The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grind again and again for each character." what a load of bs IS there someone with a gun in your back forcing you to get titles on all characters. Perhaps you have been threatened with the loss of your gw account if you don't get titles for all characters. You are not the character The account is not the character The character is an individual avatar in the game the only reason there is shared storage across an account is because it would be impossible for it to be organised in any other way. But that doesn't mean we have to take the illogicality one step further to allow the greedy and lazy to get their way. Some players prefer to work for what they gain and not have it given to them on a plate they also prefer there to be differences in their characters. Have your way if you must just as long as there is an option to turn down the title on a character by character basis. I don't want to just not use them I want them not listed on my characters at all. One character may be drunk/lucky/unlucky or whatever but not all of them. Have your way as I say just don't force everybody into living your dream. |
The problem is the PvE skill title tracks have a dramatic effect on gameplay by being linked to overpowered skills. Now if ANet were to remove this and make a "PvE skill" attribute, then no one would care about making them account wide, since then, grinding them would be up to you.
gremlin
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Actually the whole point was to made the PvE skill title tracks account-wide. Drunkard/Sweet Tooth/etc. I could care less about since they don't have an effect on gameplay.
GLF 4 Ursan R10 only The problem is the PvE skill title tracks have a dramatic effect on gameplay by being linked to overpowered skills. Now if ANet were to remove this and make a "PvE skill" attribute, then no one would care about making them account wide, since then, grinding them would be up to you. |
In my zeal to prevent my characters being forced to accept titles they didn't want I forgot about the likes of lightbringer and similar skills.
I can see that people would want to try out builds using these skills that I agree are a grind to get with multiple characters.
I find some of these skills a waste of time because you really want to get the skill high to fight the final battles and its unlikely you will get them high until after you finish the game.
I could get them higher in HM but by then I have finished the game and feel no impetus to go on raising their level.
It's about as usefull as finding a scroll of banish dragon on the body of the dragon you just killed.
Perhaps a compromise might be reached
I tend to role-play my characters at least in my imagination and I bestow personalities upon them.
I am sure if they ever consider account wide titles in gw2 "if titles excist" they will take into account the many posts in this thread.
MithranArkanere
You could say that in PvE there are three main types of titles:
- Achievement. (Protector, Carthographer)
No one would complain about keeping them account wide.
- Plot grind. (Norn, Luxon, Sunspear, etc...)
Making them account wide could be too harsh, but easing their achievement the more characters try them would be wise. They are grind titles afterall.
I made a thread about possible ways to ease it you can go there and add more. I'll add the to the first post. The main idea is 'ease them' once you have maxed them with another character. So if you have many characters it stills takes more time that with a single one, but not AGES when you have already maxed the title with some.
- Pure grind. (Lucky, Wisdom, Treasure, etc...)
This ones MUST be account wide. They are simply annoying to make more than once. Absolutely no one will get them in more that 3 or 4 characters. Lucky is account wide already, by the way.
- Achievement. (Protector, Carthographer)
No one would complain about keeping them account wide.
- Plot grind. (Norn, Luxon, Sunspear, etc...)
Making them account wide could be too harsh, but easing their achievement the more characters try them would be wise. They are grind titles afterall.
I made a thread about possible ways to ease it you can go there and add more. I'll add the to the first post. The main idea is 'ease them' once you have maxed them with another character. So if you have many characters it stills takes more time that with a single one, but not AGES when you have already maxed the title with some.
- Pure grind. (Lucky, Wisdom, Treasure, etc...)
This ones MUST be account wide. They are simply annoying to make more than once. Absolutely no one will get them in more that 3 or 4 characters. Lucky is account wide already, by the way.
zamial
/almost signed
Here is the deal. All titles account wide, account wide titles can only be worn after ascention(or campaign completion). Pre-ascention (campaign completion), titles may still be independantly earned and displayed as such. (I have not forgot you perma pre's)
What is the problem with that? Esspecially with the HoM update.
/signed with above changes.
Here is the deal. All titles account wide, account wide titles can only be worn after ascention(or campaign completion). Pre-ascention (campaign completion), titles may still be independantly earned and displayed as such. (I have not forgot you perma pre's)
What is the problem with that? Esspecially with the HoM update.
/signed with above changes.
MithranArkanere
Yup, you can alwys prevent the level 1 insta-GWAMM by requiring level 20, ascension, at least one campaign finished, etc
Ishtar Serket
/signed
I play GW to get away from the grinding bs that plagues pretty much every other mmo around. I don't feel like spending my available time battling the same enemies again and again, then mapping out, going back in and repeating the process. Since I don't see them lowering the reqs for the different levels of the rep title tracks, having rep across the account would be the best alternative. Right now I'm working on Vanguard rep just so I can get to r5 and unlock the armour for my sin. I've already done the same with my Derv and her Asuran armour. If the rep were to be combined across all accounts, that would make a big difference in allowing other characters to grind through the rep as well as the character you want to grind it out with for the weapons/armour/etc. Just make it so level 20 and ascended is a requirement before gaining item benefits from it and its perfect. I wouldn't get Vanguard r5 instantly but it'd be a hell of a lot easier than getting bored to tears in Sacnoth wishing I was playing something else...
I play GW to get away from the grinding bs that plagues pretty much every other mmo around. I don't feel like spending my available time battling the same enemies again and again, then mapping out, going back in and repeating the process. Since I don't see them lowering the reqs for the different levels of the rep title tracks, having rep across the account would be the best alternative. Right now I'm working on Vanguard rep just so I can get to r5 and unlock the armour for my sin. I've already done the same with my Derv and her Asuran armour. If the rep were to be combined across all accounts, that would make a big difference in allowing other characters to grind through the rep as well as the character you want to grind it out with for the weapons/armour/etc. Just make it so level 20 and ascended is a requirement before gaining item benefits from it and its perfect. I wouldn't get Vanguard r5 instantly but it'd be a hell of a lot easier than getting bored to tears in Sacnoth wishing I was playing something else...
Charlotte the Harlot
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/almost signed
Here is the deal. All titles account wide, account wide titles can only be worn after ascention(or campaign completion). Pre-ascention (campaign completion), titles may still be independantly earned and displayed as such. (I have not forgot you perma pre's) What is the problem with that? Esspecially with the HoM update. /signed with above changes. |
Lishy
I am honestly getting bored and tired of my paragon. I am thinking of maining my mesmer, but I accomplished so much on my Paragon.
This would solve the problem for me and I would go play my mesmer.
This would solve the problem for me and I would go play my mesmer.
Shadowspawn X
The reputation grind in EoTN is not title worthy. Those titles should be taken out of the game and just replaced with an account wide attribute system. Grind the skills up once for the whole account and ditch the titles so people cant roll a KoaBD in pre-searing.
Lady Raenef
With so many signatures, Anet should imply this. Please and thank you.
Thizzle
/signed. This is the best idea.
Evil Genius
I'm not sure if I have /signed already, so I will again for good measure.
/signed
/signed
hurdlebeast
Fun Titles (Drunkard, Sweet tooth, etc,), Faction titles, Sunspear/Lightbringer, Wisdom, Treasure, Zaishen, Gaming, Lucky/Unlucky, Maxed Title track, should all be account based (I know most of them are, but just listing them to be sure).
Eotn titles, Cartographer, Survivor, Defender of Ascalon, Protector, Guardian, Skill Hunter, Vanquisher, Cartographer should be character based.
Some of the title limits (Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, etc) should be changed accordingly.
Just my two cents
Edit: Only reason I have EotN skills character based is because they directly relate to in-game skills, and should be dependent upon the amount of devotion that character has devoted to the game.
Eotn titles, Cartographer, Survivor, Defender of Ascalon, Protector, Guardian, Skill Hunter, Vanquisher, Cartographer should be character based.
Some of the title limits (Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, etc) should be changed accordingly.
Just my two cents
Edit: Only reason I have EotN skills character based is because they directly relate to in-game skills, and should be dependent upon the amount of devotion that character has devoted to the game.
Vehemence
/Signed. Hopefully GW will be a less grinding game. 
DarklingKiller
Aren't all titles grind now?
MithranArkanere
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Aren't all titles grind now?
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When each point is different from and it's acquired just once, it's not considered grind.
Making a missions is different from making another.
Vanquishing one area is not the same as clearing another.
Capturing one skills is not the same as capturing another... (even if you just Farm a boss and use tomes, each skill is different)
Kinn
I don't care at all for the titles that have no gameplay benefit, but the PvE skills titles are insanely annoying, not least because they shit on the original (skill > grind) concept for Guild Wars in the first place.
For the EotN PvE skills, I really wish they had ditched the reputation idea, and had implemented them as having their own attribute lines, maybe even with runes available and everything. No grind - for example as soon as you started the Norn storyline, you'd get a "Norn" attribute for you to move points in as you pleased. The Norn skills would be acquired through quests as they are now. That would be the replacement for "reputation" - learning all the skills as you progress through the storyline.
Having the PvE skills all tied into attribute points would probably have solved a lot of the balance problems that they have at the moment anyway.
Of course, it's way too late for any of this now.
For the EotN PvE skills, I really wish they had ditched the reputation idea, and had implemented them as having their own attribute lines, maybe even with runes available and everything. No grind - for example as soon as you started the Norn storyline, you'd get a "Norn" attribute for you to move points in as you pleased. The Norn skills would be acquired through quests as they are now. That would be the replacement for "reputation" - learning all the skills as you progress through the storyline.
Having the PvE skills all tied into attribute points would probably have solved a lot of the balance problems that they have at the moment anyway.
Of course, it's way too late for any of this now.
Dr.Jones
if they were to make this change they would have to compensate for people who already have max. but i am sick of getting a gold and then putting it in storage and then having to log out and then back in so i can get the title on my one character. and also get the salvage bonus.
Freeze_XJ
If i wanted to grind i'd go WoW, and pay my hard-grinded IRL bucks on that, only to grind on in a game, for what exactly? I enjoy getting more skilled every now and then, but really, doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again? Meh, thanks. /signed
Lishy
First of all, I would like to state how annoying it is to get treasure hunter to the max on one character, with vanquisher on the other, and then both not contributing to the same "People know me" title.
Furthermore, lets say I have 6 characters.
Paragon with max sunspear
Mesmer with max lightbringer
Elementalist with max asura
Warrior with max norn
Ranger with max deldrimor
Assassin with max vanguard
I did all the work I needed. But I wouldn't get "People know me" because it is not on the same character? Even more, if I would want to use "Finish him!" to its max potential on a Mesmer, but it is only maxed on a Warrior, isn't it a bit unfair to have to grind back to the max rank when I already have it?
If anyone else believes titles already maxed out should be account wide, please say so.
Furthermore, lets say I have 6 characters.
Paragon with max sunspear
Mesmer with max lightbringer
Elementalist with max asura
Warrior with max norn
Ranger with max deldrimor
Assassin with max vanguard
I did all the work I needed. But I wouldn't get "People know me" because it is not on the same character? Even more, if I would want to use "Finish him!" to its max potential on a Mesmer, but it is only maxed on a Warrior, isn't it a bit unfair to have to grind back to the max rank when I already have it?
If anyone else believes titles already maxed out should be account wide, please say so.
jiggles
you wouldnt get r2koabd with them titles anyways. Also is an idea that is suggested on a weekly basis, /notsigned.
Zahr Dalsk
/signed
Because it's the same amount of work over several characters.
Because it's the same amount of work over several characters.
Kanyatta
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you wouldnt get r2koabd with them titles anyways. Also is an idea that is suggested on a weekly basis, /notsigned.
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Yeah, it is suggested on a weekly basis. That's because it makes sense, is fair, and is a good idea.
/signed again
the Puppeteer
aren't titles getting account wide after the august pve, hom update?
Kanyatta
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aren't titles getting account wide after the august pve, hom update?
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jiggles
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OP made a mistake, he'd only get r1koabd. A typo does not quantify a /notsign.
Yeah, it is suggested on a weekly basis. That's because it makes sense, is fair, and is a good idea. /signed again |
Kanyatta
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I didnt /notsign it because of a typo, i did it because A) its a silly idea designed to make gw about less grinding. B) this thread shouldnt exist if the OP would have read the rules.
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B) I agree with this, but it is no reason to disagree with the idea. Ask for close if that's what you think.