A discussion on 7 heroes

so you saying new players not knowing every thing about the game means people dont want to play with them?

umm a few post ago people were saying they agree with some of my points, how is that not back up, and how does any thing i said in the post mean your right?


i have, about 20 times now, where have you been?



hmm i guess thats why so many people use things like D2D, amazon, ebay etc for their games, cars, clothing etc.


yes it is, most people ive met have said "i just got the UAX packs" mostly pve players.



cause they dont, I almost never use them cause the non-pve only skills are just as good, and most of them only work in a few areas that have to do with that title.





umm what? Wows only aimed at people that dont mind paying $15 a month.

The hype comes from this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esLlxObAD_Y




what does that have to do with anything in my OP?



1st part was a joke to any pvpers that may be reading this cause they have really messed up GvG imo, and back when factions came out is when Pvp was at its best. I dont think any 1 would play pve in starcraft anyway, and if they added it no 1 would really care cause the only people that still play it is pro gamers that play for money or wanna be pro gamers that want to play for money.



if they make it so easy why do you need 7 of them?



so your saying your to good for other players that may not be as skillful as you think you are? its pve you'll get over playing with a bad player now and than



thats not flipping thats having more than 1 reason, something you get asking for. they go together, people will not want to pug cause using the heros are easier, and any player that can do the mission "we'll just call him good" will not pug cause its easier to use heros, get it now?


any MMO game you can do in less than 5hrs is easy. in a few months of playing, any 1 will say "this game is easy" i guess you can call it hard for starting out players "aka pugs" but most of the players in game have played more than a month so the game is easy, and giving 7heros is not helping it



NOU, sry had to do it XD


who uses wiki? new players.

Most the stuff in campfire are post about new players asking for builds and then the new player getting spammed with "look at the sticky"

plus non of this means the game is hard, cause you can do the game w/o knowing a ton of shit.



like letting NPCs kill you in 1 hit right? the HM that they came up with was just sloppy content cause they didnt want to take the hard road and give them builds with 8 good skills, and better IA on using them, all they did to make it "harder" was to add DPS and set a few rules about not standing next to their team.



umm no shit? thats what i said. Also im not 100% sure cause i play the PC CoD4 but i think in most console games you can co-op.



no i didnt, your doing a * or a " just about every other word in more your post.

QQ ive not done any Personal attacks, all your post have been is you call me names, w/o making any points, no saying green is a color is not a point.



umm i think you can party up with people in the explorable areas... plus its not needed any way.

so your saying green is a color?

still need some1 else to do it with, only reason i think they didnt lock heros in some elite areas is because they were to lazy to make the code.

why would he play with me then? people can already solo.

Yea see this is my entire problem with the thing. It isn't that I don't like 7 heroes neccessarily, its that I don't like the entire direction the game has gone. In the beginning solo play was NOT promoted. In fact solo play was NEVER promoted in this game. It was always considered something you COULD do as opposed to the main idea of teaming with your Guild/friends/Pugs or whoever else to create a sense of community and teamwork and accomplishment.

Nowadays Anet and its players have turned the game into a Solo mission that might as well be an offline video game. And they want it to be MORE solo! It sounds like they wouldn't mind if guilds and pugs completely disappeared from the game as long as they can solo the game.

So like I said, it isn't so much that I care about 7 heroes. Its that I think the direction of the game has turned to garbage. The game was supposed to be about Guilds, not about a bunch of solo farmers.

Just for the fun of it ??? we don't want 7 heroes because the game is hard. this is non-sense.

we want theme for the fun of using a 7 heroes party customize for me !!!!

We don't want to play with you, we want to play with heroes.....

7 heroes will keep a lot of ppl. and stop saying to go read the threat, we all read it and you have Not even 1 good reason for no heroes. !!

I think even ANET realized this because they removed that in GW:EN.

I was doing Lab space and decided I would take someone with me I saw in Rata Sum asking to join a group. I had to tell them how to ping a build and this is what he pinged.



The screen shot came from Eye of the North when the person asked if a friend could join us for Heart of the Shiverpeak and when he pinged his skills it was the exact same build the other guy had.

They had no skills unlocked for their heroes, Ogden still had the same skill set he came with when you first get him as a hero.

It would have been nice if I could have loaded six heroes, pinged each of their builds, then showed him how much easier the game is if you have a group setup to work together.

(DD was fun too, had to try explain body blocking.)

/sigh.

Thought we went over this? Just because people are agreeing with you proves nothing, just like the poll proves nothing. If you consider someone else agreeing with you as "proof" then you need to retract about what you said about looking at the polls as "proof".

The reason I'm right is because you're not giving me any proof. You're *still* not giving me proof.

You didn't read what I said correctly. See the sixth word in the portion of the post you quoted? "Most"?

So lemme get this straight:
-Most of the people YOU'VE met bought the UAX packs.
-Therefore, most people have bought the UAX packs.

That's a logical fallacy, sadly, and a perfect example of one.

See? You're still simply just saying "NUH UH!"

So people are just going to pay $15/mo for a game that they don't enjoy? I see.

And how do you think they even hired someone like Mr. T in the first place? That would have to require a hefty and steady income from quite a lot of subscribers - and at which point, how do you think they ever get so many players in the first place?

You tell me, Ryder. You were the one to re-reference it.

If you'd been reading my later posts you would see that I've never ever mentioned 7 heroes as a need. It's always been a want, and giving how little evidence *you've* given and all of the facts *I've* given it would be a very harmless one.

...I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. Oh well?

It's different when you're saying "this is just one of many reasons why more heroes are bad" as opposed to "THIS is why more heroes are bad".

And still bear in mind one of my points: Using heroes is only easy when you have all the tools you needs, and as I've previously shown that's not as easy process to do (actually, not an easy process at all). This would be different if builds were easy to put together and the gear simply to get, but it's not. It's both expensive and/or time consuming.

That would have to be if everyone followed the exact same learning curve. They don't. 1 month of casual play will not net you the same amount of experience and skill that it takes to complete DoA on hard mode.

Nonetheless, I think you're grossly overestimating the skill level of the majority of the GW playerbase.

-The wiki has a *ton* of information about the game, providing info and strategy for every single mission in the game. New players aren't the only people that are going to find a use for it.

-Wow, you make such a baseless claim when the contrary is 3 clicks away? Took me all but 2 minutes to find out that this is far from reality.

-I think we've already discussed this.

It's definitely not the best solution - but it's *easily* understandable. When you think about it and take everything into account, giving over a thousand monsters good builds and tweaking their AI according to those builds is quite a shitload of work.

While it's definitely not a "preferred method" of increasing the challenge of the game, it's most certainly made the game a bit more challenging.

Then reference to those. For awhile you've been proving apples with oranges which is just, well, funny. But either way, it's going to be the same thing: Facing X problem. The environment is always static, never changing, but when you join a PvP match you never really know what you're going to go up against.

That's why many who like competitive games found them so replayable. You won't know what your opponent will use, and how they'll use it. The same can't be said of player vs. AI, because the AI always falls into patterns. You don't see Halo 3 still being as popular as it is today because of it's online co-op.

Refresh your literary knowledge in an composition course.

When you see me *star* something, it's meant to be taking with emphasis. When you see it in quotations, it's meant to not be taken as its literal meaning.

Quoted for irony. Extra points if you quote this segment saying the exact same thing.

Too bad that's entirely and completely not the point of what I said.

It's actually more like saying that "poop brown" is a color. Sure, it's a color, but certainly not as enjoyable as say "lipstick pink".

To sum all of this up, since most of it is entirely off-topic: You need to start giving a bit more backup to your claims, otherwise you're just further proving everything I say. Saying "I've already told you" is proving me right, trying to dispute the power of PvE skills is totally ridiculous and further helps me, and moreso than the rest is the fact that heroes are not easy to set up (it's easy for us because we have all of the tools). And if you chop up my posts then you're just dodging the questions and further proving my point.

If you can really show me how "weak" PvE skills are and how accessible and simple it is to set up a good team of heroes - simply "buying the packs" isn't a good reason, as seen above - then I'll start giving you credit. Otherwise, you've done nothing.

I'm not going to respond to any of the rest of the gibberish you quote. I'd much rather you felt "right and superior" on discussions that don't matter rather than something actually meaningful.

Holy Crap!!

How did this pipe dream of a concept make it to 83 pages?

It's a pretty close subject. The only response we've gotten from ANet is pretty much "we don't want to do it".

I voted yes depending on how well GW is doing after a few months of release of GW2.I would say no if it is doing fine but for now No and it would be nice if there was more credit for pugging.

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Our Waffle thread goes up to over 300 pages sort of like MSN talk thread.

If I'm going to be PvEing with Heroes and Henchmen, I'd rather just have 7 heroes.

I'm all for 7 heroes.

Let's see Pain Inverter (The instant gib of the GW world or at least one of them).

Frozen Elemental (Hard Mode & Normal Node) casted before agro - instant death most of the time.

Ruby Djinn (Hard Mode & Normal Node) casted before agro - drops it's HP to less than 15% killed by 1 wand. - it becomes harder when you have more than just the 1 in the mob as long as you can kill 1 fast your okay most of the time with the other.

There is a Necro boss I do apologize by I've completely forgotten his name, he is around the Sunspear Sanctuary area somewhere he is one of those type that like to pop out of the ground, my reaction to that was almost instant it's a boss it requires attention at any rate it went like this, pop up -> pain inverter = dead the battle couldn't have lasted less than a second.

Podaltur the Angry - Oh my what a nightmare I kicked his ass with h/h but it left me so DPed and I had no power stones to remove it, I killed it by skillful tactics of let the henchmen die, leave a hero for rez out of range and use myself as the tank pain inverter was the key skill that killed him because I used it ageist him, if your going to kill my entire party in one hit your going to pay a price for it.

PvE skills are anything but weak which is why heroes aren't allowed to use them and never should be, for the exception of I think LoD.

yep agreed, its just guru and now of the really matters, but i only said some people agree with me as proof as some people agree with me cause you said no1 does.

what do you want for proof? theres nothing any1 can do on forums to prove anything really, when it comes to something like guild wars that is



thats not most, just about every 1 has used Ebay, amazon or something like it. Buying stuff of the internet is a everyday thing to people now.




well what do you want me to say "just about every 1 i meet has got the UAX packs, but no1 buys them" ?



and your like "YA UH!" i dont use pve skills that much, ive tryed them and like non pve skills most time so, what do you want me to say, "i never use PVE skills but they are very overpowered and useful" ? I dont find them as useful as you do, i dont see the hold up. Do you like blue better than red?



thats WoW for you. SURE some people like it, like the people that get in the MLG and stuff, but ive met more people that dont like it and have played/playing it. Dont get me wrong, I flame all over people that talk shit about WoW and have not played it, but i also dont care if people like it or not. I like GW better cause im able to play more classes, and i liked the pvp better

It was also 1 of 1st MMOs, and the better MMO when it came out, so it got most the people when the 1st MMOs were starting out, plus SWG really F***ed up with its updates and a lot of people went to WoW, Also its had hype before Mr T, it was the rated as the best game for PC on Gamespot for some time, thats why i tryed it. Now i know not to go by their ratings "cough GTA4"



what?



so your just posting cause you dont like me?




its not what you said but its what your mean. How many times have you said "pugs are bad" and "i dont want to play with Pugs" ?




so you agree i have reasons now?

i dont give my heros shit, maybe if i loot something im to lazy to sell ill give it to them. I just give them a modded cookie cutter build like SF for a ele or something, and its good to go. If you really want to mod them you can, but its not holding you back from any thing



I didnt say he would be as good as a player thats been playing for years, but hes just as able to do things like DoA, fow, UW etc.

I think most of them suck and the areas are easy, but are good cause of the standard of player today, if you were to put the standard of player today next to the standard when factions came out you'd see how bad ursan messed up players.



i mean pvx wiki, hell even i use the GW wiki a ton.



yep, coding game takes a shit ton of work. Just about every game that comes out now uses that sloppy content, and then put more money in to ads.

yea and it made it as fun as getting hit by a car at 70MPH



have you seen pvp a match today? its about a 5% chance that its not going to be 2 wars, 1 ranger, dom mes, water mes, woh monk, RC monk, and rit flager. part of why it was better back than cause you never knew what was going to come but today its just a meta build that every 1 uses, and if they are not, your mostly going to win.

no you know what the other team is going to use in pvp in todays pvp, the meta or some crappy shit.



didnt you say "you cant"




[QUOTE=Bryant Again]Thought we went over this? Just because people are agreeing with you proves nothing, just like the poll proves nothing[QUOTE] no, by saying "i already told you" means you just asked a Q i already answered, like if i say 2+2=4 and you ask "whats 1+1" and i say 2 and then you ask "whats 2+2"

and no pve skills only give you like 5% more power and are less flexible.

if i chop your post down its cause it had nothing to do with anything and i dont feel like answering how enjoyable saying "lipstick pick" is to say.

did you read any of them, and look for a non-pve only skill that does about the same thing. Many non-pve only skills do just about the same thing as the pve only skills, some times better.

its not about ego, its a discussion, matter of fact it says so in the title, if you stop posting to some1 cause they are disagreeing with you, than you were in it for ego not the discussion.

plus what ever happen to the PMs? you sent me a PM saying you wanted to have a discussion about this and ive yet get a PM back after the 1st PM i sent.

As promised, I'm not going to answer to any of the dribble but to what I consider the most key.

Not just a "yah huh": A "yah huh, now here's WHY". Huge difference. "Just about every 1 has used Ebay, amazon or something like it" is such a bogus statement that I won't even touch it (lawlz too late!)

Most GW players don't use the online store for numerous reasons, but largely it's game they don't need. What can you get from the store as a casual player? More slots? Pointless when you're only playing with a couple. All skills? Not very useful when you're just playing simply through a campaign as one profession. Vanity skins? Little point, save for the max weapon ones (but even then it's considered a waste of moolah).

(note: this is all based on specifics nick'd the "rule of casuals")

I still see you doing your "nuh uh's", though. Back up why you don't see PvE skills too "useful". For me personally I don't need to rely on them. I fully understand that PvE skills are quite good but I don't need a crutch.

In the meantime, try answering these simple (hopefully) questions:

"Not needed" is not an answer.

There was just too much travesty too ignore.

And I can agree with discussion - but there wasn't any, hence why I stopped. I see that hasn't stopped you, though.

Ahuh.. smoking gun your PvP nut well guess what no one here wants your little delicate world lottory PvP to be invaded by even 1 hero let alone 7 of them, and if they where to even think of proposing the idea I would be the first to say no, we are talking about exclusively enabling it for PvE so go back to your lotto game have fun, and get out of my face.

JDRyder, may I suggest you read this post from page 5 I think it is... While I don't agree with everything this person has written it is succinctly put, with reasons for his/her opinion. My opinion may be different to theirs, but I can see where their thoughts are coming from and therefore try to gain an understanding of what their mindset is behind their opinion, leading to an intelligent discussion/argument over the merits of both sides.

In order to contribute to a discussion with such a stoic argument you need to be able to give us a valid counter argument. Bryant Again is giving valid points at every turn, and none of your counters are actually 'countering' him. You are also making sweeping generalizations about who does what on the internet which is clearly not helping your cause.

You have yet to illustrate why 7 heroes will affect gameplay in general, and PUGs in general. So far the counter points have far outweighed your original points.

Simple questions which you can answer:

Why will 7 heroes mean a decrease in PUGs as most players who don't like to PUG don't already and get by with H/H or guildees?

What of those of us who do mod our heroes and treat them as viable members of our party? Should our gameplay be punished just because you choose not to utilize a game mechanic?

Could you, for the sake of discussion just dot point your major objections to 7 heroes? I would like to see them put succinctly as it's difficult to get a sense of your argument through all the quoting and off topic discussion about PVE skills and console co-op games.

"- People want to play solo and not wait to team up with someone else
Well, don't buy a MMORPG/CORPG!"

I could post the picture again but I think we all know what it says on the box now and we all have a box to look at too, HAD the game said that soloing was not an option that you had to do everything with people I would have walked away and not brought it.

The reason soloing is important especially to a new game even more so a new company is you don't know how successful your product is going to be, so you need options in there for those that do play to get there moneys worth, and to spread by word of mouth how good the game is, while that happens there has to be something enjoyable to do.

When a game winds down like GW is you need to look after the customers that are still playing or they will leave discontent or content up to the individual how they feel, personal for myself discontent because I haven't yet completed all the content on the table.

You have posted this numerous times and it has been refuted successfully numerous times...What is pictured on the box has no bearing on what the game is now. I can probably name 5 things on the Prophecies box that aren't in the game today. Not to mention, soloing IS an option as it stands now.

With Anet's current market plan, they really couldn't care less about current customers right now. They can say they do, but really they don't too much. All that matters is they keep everyone just happy enough to buy Guild Wars 2. Hell...they could even promise 7 heroes in Guild Wars 2 as an incentive to buy it.

Refuted or not, game being the same or not is of no consequence to me when I brought the game the reason I brought are the same reasons that they are now, and nothing is ever going to change that, I don't care if they changed it to hello kitty's wild PvP romp-a-stomp although I wouldn't be playing because I detest PvP.

Even if they offer bribes of 1000NZD a copy for me to play GW2 I will not, I've had a guts full of the way they handle there games, after I've completed all my goals the only reason they'll see my money again is if they release the server software for GW1 so that I can play/add to it myself, I am done with ArenaNet (oh the things I would love to type here).

The only reason I'm still playing? I don't like leaving things unfinished or incomplete, that includes titles I paid money for it I want every inch of content there is not 60% but 100%.

Yet you seem to want to prevent such people from 7h-ing and to form groups with humans as much as possible.

Reiterate: Would you like to play with person who would ditch you for 7h-ing?

i play just bcoz i didnt find a more reliable gametime/price game.
ANET continously scaling down our fun, they using gw as prebeta for GW2.
decreasing drop, farm flagging,... 7heroes just one piece of the cake.

And its getting bitter...

Ok you are really starting to lose me now. You bought a game called Guild Wars with the intention of playing solo non-PvP? LoL dude. The game was originally made as a multiplayer competitive game...

So even if Anet added 7 heroes to make people like you happy, it would not benefit them in the slightest.

Yeah if I could say how I really felt about them with some impunity but I'd get the ban stick, but rather than stoop to that level I'll vote with my money when GW2 comes out, sure I'm 1 person and I'm not going to make or break them but I'm bitter at what they've done which doesn't make a good spokes man for prompting GW2 to my friends, one of which did buy it purely on my recommendation who then recommended it to someone else he knew too, not just a single capture either both of them brought the entire set.

I think you might be taking me a little out of context there, I hoped there would be people to play with my fall back plan was that it could also be soloed, so it's a bit of both, but since my friends have left and I don't feel like making new ones too see them go again and repeating a cycle endlessly, I choose the solo route in the hope that ANet would come to the senses and add more heroes to the party.

It wouldn't benefit me for GW2 no, it might if there lucky go some way towards repairing the bitterness I have towards them doing so for GW1 though.

For me as well.

I hadn't found a MMO I liked prior to my coming across GW:Nightfall. The reason I went ahead and bought it was because I had the option to solo - I wasn't committed to having to play with a group. That appealed to me because I'm not great at computer games - I can't type/chat while trying to maneuver/react with my character, don't enjoy button mashing, etc. Not wanting to be a n00b getting other people killed while I learned the game, solo (H&H) was the way to go for me.

I also like customization, and Heroes are just one more part of that.

wtf are you talking about, i gave reasons to why i dont like pve skills, and yes every 1 buys shit online, have you even been to ebay or amazon? there's millions of accounts

wtf are you talking about, tons of people use the online store. How do you know how many people use it, all you do is solo right?


cause non-pve only skills are just as good, did you even read when i said? you mixing up a "ok" skill with "a gr8" skill.


try reading so you dont have to ask what 2+2 is again



the answer was in the quote above it...



well you wanted to "save the forum" right?

what are you talking about no discussion? Did you not see how long our quotes were?

we are on page 84, you can only tell some1 "2+2=4" before you stop putting things succinctly.

umm no, my counters are good, hes saying "people dont buy stuff on the internet" how is that a counter? Maybe its you that needs the POV change.

yes 2+2=4, Ive done thing for the last 20 some pages now.

Simple questions which you can answer:

Heros are more appealing cause a lot of times they get things done faster, adding 7heros would just get more poeple to use them cause then thing would get done even faster.



whats keeping you from H/Hing now?

umm i was talking about sloppy content, Bryant started all that with talking about starcraft

Alright looks like time to back the guy up.

So I have an account too never brought a thing.

Anet say 3+ million gw accounts if you think that equals 3 million people your off your rocker and should seek physicartic help immediately.

so? I didn't buy UAX packs because I'm not a lazy sod and put effort into the game to unlock them the traditional way, besides UAX packs exist for PvP players not PvE, it's just a knock on effect that Heroes benefit from this pack too.

Yeup, you just keep ignoring what I say and keep on clicking "post reply". I've asked you for valid proof over and over again and you keep dodging it. Congratulations, you have no point.

I also suggest reading Pamelf's post, since it was directly aimed at you.

Firstly: No. Most people do not use online purchasing. This isn't to say that no one does it. Most people, though, are very content *NOT* giving their personal information over the internet and simply walking up to the bookstore. Granted, eBay can be pretty cool when

In regards to how I know about who uses the store: Based on the above and based on what I've said earlier...

...Most people will not use the store. The casual majority is labeled casual for a reason.

You're not answering the questions. Or are you ignoring them because you don't like the answers?

Put to me the non-PvE skill damage equivilent of a full team in the Realm of Torment with 8 Lightbringer's Gazes.

Point to me defensive equivalent of a team with two copies of Save Yourselves!.

When you can do that, then I will bow down to you and prove you right. The only problem is that you can't.

I wanted to point out that your "arguments", if you can call them that, have zero weight to them. I have been successful.

And off-topic discussion =/= on topic discussion, so there fore off-topic discussion = shit. Welcome to the forum.

And there's really not a whole lot to say, Sailbat. There will be when he actually pulls out something to support his arguments but he can't find anything, and the things he *does* find hurt his "point" even more.

miss me?



so that means no1 uses it? how do you know how many people use it? you only solo.


what? Are you saying cause theres 3million GW accounts, that means theres only 3million ebay, amazon D2D, gamefly etc accounts? Face it lot of people buy stuff online now.



they unlock all the the skills, for the heros, that was what we were talking about, not for the player

i alrdy added that in. before you made this



I dont know any1 that has not used Ebay, just cause people dont like putting their numbers on the internet does not mean they do not still buy stuff online.

answer is above



ive already have, but w/e

1) You can only use that skill In a few places, so its not as useful as a skill you can use any where. Ive done DoA a few times w/o having it on any1 and not had any real problems that were due to not having it.

2) they both are bad, use a para with SY and a ES war, nothing will die. Armor is maxed at 100 any way so its not a big change in armor "think it will be about 10-15? if they use shield sets it does not matter anyway" so its not a big change, some OP skill.

Oh ho ho, and my GOD that's some shit posting right there.

-Your "counters" are crap because throughout this whole thread you haven't backed them up in any way shape or form and what you *have* brought out has further proved you know nothing about what you're talking about.

-"Heros are more appealing cause a lot of times they get things done faster, adding 7heros would just get more poeple to use them cause then thing would get done even faster" proved that you've read and done nothing in this thread since I've explained how they're ONLY appealing to a FEW people and the casual majority will get MORE out of simply playing with henchmen.

-"whats keeping you from H/Hing now?" was not a response to 'making our game more difficult' but simply just altering the gameplay. The valid argument for 7 heroes is that it would provide much more customization and personalization while having little to no effect on the current game.

What a valid (sarcasm btw) argument. "i dont know any1 that hasn't used eBay", so therefore EVERYBODY uses the internet to buy stuff! You are simply amazing and providing examples of glaringly bad logical fallacies.

Answer is bad.

Um yeah that doesn't answer it, sadly. You've only proved and said that it's not needed, but not that it doesn't provide massive damage in the Realm of Torment. Try again.

lololol totally wrong. Take 2.

who has backed u up?

I didnt say that was the only reason. if i was put every reason, it'd be pages long, i dont care that much.

um what? you can already H/H why do you want 7heros. to make the game easier for you? or so you can play dress up?

what do you want me to say? "Ive never met some 1 that has not used Ebay, but no1 uses it" ?

they have already said they would never pug so. No1 here is preventing any thing, anet as already said they are not going to add them.

I am beginning to understand why (I think it was you) you find some so entertaining.

Do not make the error that your not still being ignored, it means I can reply with impunity without having to read your asinine reply.

I'm not talking about who has backed you up, I'm talking about your actual *proof*, *evidence*, and most importantly, *reasoning*. I'm talking about the "backup" you yourself are supposed to be providing for your statements, which you are not. You are simply saying "yus i has!" and not actually pointing to it.

I never mentioned it being the only reason, I was showing how I proved that particular reason - among many others - wrong.

"Dress up"? I guess being able to customize a whole team that's all you instead of half of one than I guess you could call that "dress up". (What's funny about this is I've said this to you numerous times yet you just now question it.)

No, that's just as stupid. Say "I've never met some 1 that has not used Ebay, but I also know that I have not met everyone in the world".

Let's hope you don't try to use this as your new trump card, since many have already hounded on the "reasons" ANet has provided (or lack thereof).

And yes Salbat, this is some pretty funnily sad stuff.

They have? first I've heard of it was waaay back when NF was just released Gaile had an appearance and it came up with then, too which she said an I'm not quoting directly because I've no idea where to even begin looking for hold history chat like that but adlib if you like "No we're not planing on doing it", or "No we don't want to do that".

I think just as we expect good solid arguments for or ageist so should ArenaNet give more of the reasoning behind there choice, but we're talking about pretty old choices here and the point of view over there may have changed.

Then why are you even posting here to complain? If ArenaNet isn't adding them, then you could just as easily sit tight and shut up since it won't make a difference either way.

congrats on the pissing contest guys

7 heros? if the population of GW is anything like the average poster on this forum

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Just wait till we start lobbing yellow snow

So you could you and everybody else who wants 7 heroes...

FYI

Armor does not max at 100. The armor cap refers to the limit of +25 that can be achieved through stacking skills. Since SY is a single skill, it is allowed to bypass this cap. Thus, every party member under the effect of SY gains +100 armor, for ~82% damage reduction from non-armor ignoring damage sources.

A caster going from 60AR to 160AR is actually a pretty big change.

Hmmm.... I was looking back over this thread a bit and I'm inclined to just "agree to disagree" on this issue of 7 heroes: some players (like me) want them, some do not. Oh well.

There's no point in beating a dead horse (except of course that it can be kind of fun ), as they say. ANet will do ... whatever ANet will do.

But ... actually. I sometimes wish GW had been structured along a smaller party size from the get-go. Eight is not "enough"; eight is too many. I think eight is an unwieldy number (don't even get me started on the larger raids available in some MMO games.) Five or six would have been a better party size cap, imo.

And a party size of four is not bad, which is why I was so happy to learn of Dragon Age, a single-player RPG in development which, among other things, seems to have a party maximum of four. Based on what I have read about this game thus far, it sounds quite promising.

If the multiplayer aspect of Dragon Age is simple and accessible (assuming there *is* a multiplayer aspect -- I hope there is!) and if it comes out before April 2009, as currently projected, I think it could just replace GW in my affections.

That's a pretty awesome comeback, there.

agreed this is getting old


to the rest of your post, i 1/2 way agree, maybe some people are just playing to wrong game, but not 100% sure but i know biowear is coming out with a new MMO, If its any thing like their SP games the party will only be 3-4 as well.

link

www.perfectworld.com - it's a pretty cool game I will say this for it -GRIND- but so far it's not been grind where you feel like it is, it feels more like progression than grind, and it's -free-, although I don't know what the product will be when it comes out of beta if it will be the same free to play type of game, but it's definitely sliced hours out of my GW time that's for sure, you can jump/fly/swim/walk & mounts and solo most things it appears although as you go up levels it appears it becomes more team based and you get 1 companion that will fight along side you too, and the level of customization is off the charts! - and to think all we was asking for is a hair stylist.

And best of all they don't go running around nerfing skills every 5 seconds either, although I'm sure they would if the need came.

Now you see how word of mouth works ? someone recently in the forum put me onto perfectworld, and now I'm passing it on and to drag this whole thing from off topic back to on; what do you think I'll have to say about Guild Wars if I had no choice but to leave it now because I couldn't complete my goals because of lack of people?