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wilderness

tinyurl.com/6hqar7a

Join Date: Mar 2006

We Couldn't Figure Out A Name [LMAO]

W/N

30 Sep 2007 at 01:37 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by reverse_oreo

Anet cant affort in-game gamemasters.... ILL DO IT FOR FREE! Every single town/outpost/AB/RA/TA match i go to there is blatant racism and offensive material. All they need are some quality ingame GM's. Thats it. Anet could have countless people signing up to do this for free.

Indeed. There are enough intelligent, open minded and quite frankly lovely people investing time in this game that would gladly give their time to a system such as this.

Boops

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

N/W

30 Sep 2007 at 01:39 - 42

truly open-minded people wouldn't ban anyone for what they say

More Outrage

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Yorkshire

GOO

30 Sep 2007 at 01:44 - 43

When I read through the update I was all like "Give it a go!" but now I`ve seen it in action I hate it. Fortunately I haven`t been the recipient of any reporting but I have seen others in AB who are killing away and suddenly get the you have been reported for leeching text come up.

Seems to me to be encouraging vigilates, very strange move.

This will not work!

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

30 Sep 2007 at 01:45 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilderness

Indeed. There are enough intelligent, open minded and quite frankly lovely people investing time in this game that would gladly give their time to a system such as this.

However, ArenaNet is not a non-profit organization, and cannot legally accept such help.

Volunteer Game Masters would create liability issues for ArenaNet.

cce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

30 Sep 2007 at 01:45 - 45

For the last 2 years you all've been bitching about leavers and griefers; they implement a system and you don't even want to let it run its course. Like any mechanism, it'll have to be adjusted. From my experience, I was thinking the opposite, that they need to increase the penalty period.

wilderness

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Join Date: Mar 2006

We Couldn't Figure Out A Name [LMAO]

W/N

30 Sep 2007 at 01:53 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by cce

For the last 2 years you all've been bitching about leavers and griefers; they implement a system and you don't even want to let it run its course. Like any mechanism, it'll have to be adjusted. From my experience, I was thinking the opposite, that they need to increase the penalty period.

Sorry, but this is too obviously doomed to exploit. You don't need a beta run, just more thought.

Like:

The HoS chest run.. how does adding a few easy to kill mobs at gates with barrel spawn available nerf the exploit? How was that ever a good idea for a fix? Why was it even implemented? It took them three tries to get it even close to fixing...

Idk, I may be off but to me Anet seem to be getting lazy with these 'improvements'.

Risa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Nights Watch [Crow]

Mo/

30 Sep 2007 at 01:58 - 47

Maybe ANet could use a system like Runescape's moderators... ANet chooses the members and makes them moderators, which will be like undercover, and they have the ability to mute people, and their reports to ANet will be top priority to take care of over other reports. That way, less people will stop breaking the rules because they'll be scared that one of the undercover mods will be around. Just a thought.

Boops

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

N/W

30 Sep 2007 at 02:02 - 48

no

less moderation = better game

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

30 Sep 2007 at 02:30 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boops

truly open-minded people wouldn't ban anyone for what they say

This is one of the most mind-boggling statements I have ever read.

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

W/

30 Sep 2007 at 02:33 - 50

Hahaha typical Gaile post. "I don't know anything about the issue, but I'll assume that you're exaggerating!" What a joke. Anet should fire the CR team and hire a 'ban' team. I think the general population would be much happier.

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

30 Sep 2007 at 02:36 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_the_nihilst

Yes, but in order to do that you're going to have to get the mesmer with healing breeze, the sin with no secondary and no guild, and the W/Mo using mending and "Charge" to resign with you as well, assuming they are aware of the /resign command.

I rofled so much just then.

I think there should be a minimum of like 6 months to use it so people learn the rules since most people don't read the manuscripts etc etc.. they just go and play the game.

Goldleader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/Me

30 Sep 2007 at 02:48 - 52

You can't please everyone ALL the time.

Some of the big complaints I've been seeing have to do with the individuals who prematurely leave matches.

"You guys are all noob runners. Learn the game, Buh bye."

How about instead of leaving the match because your teammates are new, how about you tough it out and try to HELP your team. This is an online game, the fact is, if you choose to play with other players, you need to depend on their skills to succeed. Just because you think you are too good for the match, why leave and essentially screw over the rest of the players?

Again, you can't please everyone ALL the time.

I'll take the flawed system over teams of quiters anyday.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

30 Sep 2007 at 02:55 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldleader

You can't please everyone ALL the time.

Some of the big complaints I've been seeing have to do with the individuals who prematurely leave matches.

"You guys are all noob runners. Learn the game, Buh bye."

How about instead of leaving the match because your teammates are new, how about you tough it out and try to HELP your team. This is an online game, the fact is, if you choose to play with other players, you need to depend on their skills to succeed. Just because you think you are too good for the match, why leave and essentially screw over the rest of the players?

Again, you can't please everyone ALL the time.

I'll take the flawed system over teams of quiters anyday.

/ signed

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

30 Sep 2007 at 03:01 - 54

I played my mesmer for a match in AB.

Reported 7 times. Beat that.

Tbh, (knowing that this mess will be fixed) i find it rather funny and i use it as an indicator. For what? It tells me i'm doing my job, really well.

EDIT: Fenix hit the nail on the head. Either Gaile is trying but failing to avoid a boiling issue, or really has absolutely no clue about what's happening in one of the most popular PvP gametypes.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

30 Sep 2007 at 03:03 - 55

I've only played AB during last two days.

I've seen one person reported for leeching.

All games where people actually paid attention and didn't run around like headless chicken were close wins. All of this was with PUGs.

So from this experience, I can only say that in AB, the gameplay has only improved.

Might have to try RA, although that place is drama central, so it could be that there is abuse going on.

It might be also interesting to see show of hands, how many of those who complain over the system have been leaving teams regularly before this.

DreamRunner

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

30 Sep 2007 at 03:10 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

EDIT: Fenix hit the nail on the head. Either Gaile is trying but failing to avoid a boiling issue, or really has absolutely no clue about what's happening in one of the most popular PvP gametypes.

Oh please, Gaile never knows what happening in PvP.

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

30 Sep 2007 at 03:13 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

This is one of the most mind-boggling statements I have ever read.

Uh, how so? Because what people say in a game matters oh so very much?

I'll support bans for offensive language as soon as they start banning for offensive stupidity. If I don't get to offend people for pointing out their rampant stupidity, they don't get to offend me by being rampantly stupid. Fair?

Respect is earned. You don't get it from people by default.

And as for Goldleader: players are not charity organizations. Nobody should have to babysit anyone. I agree it would be nice if all players helped each other, but they are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to do so. Everyone is in this game to have fun, so if helping other people isn't fun for you, you don't do it, period.

The actual valid support for punishing leavers in RA is the fact that TA exists.

Crisis Redux

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

W/

30 Sep 2007 at 03:15 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Some of the claims of "I was punished" I know are not true.

How do you know? Are you doing checks to see who has been punished fairly or not, or just assuming...I guess if this was the case, we wouldn't have this thread.
It just seems rather cavalier to just shrug off the problem and dismiss the important needs of the community, while at the same time bashing the OP.

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

30 Sep 2007 at 03:19 - 59

Here:

If you have some intelligence you will know when your battle is over. The amount of time wasted versus the amount of time wasted from leavers does not balance whatsoever. Leavers = 20-30 sec to do another match, while I've even played 2v4 and won. While making it so you can't leave means MANY more battles will eventually cause 8-12 minute runs as each team will not want to get dishonor points to leave a match early....why can't ppl see this?

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

30 Sep 2007 at 03:25 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoldyRiceFrenzy

Here:

If you have some intelligence you will know when your battle is over. The amount of time wasted versus the amount of time wasted from leavers does not balance whatsoever. Leavers = 20-30 sec to do another match, while I've even played 2v4 and won. While making it so you can't leave means MANY more battles will eventually cause 8-12 minute runs as each team will not want to get dishonor points to leave a match early....why can't ppl see this?

So...you are supporting leavers and saying that it is quicker to leave and join another?

There is a place that you can get the perfect team you desire. It is called TA. This is called Random Arena, not Leave-until-you-get-the-team-you-want Arena

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

30 Sep 2007 at 03:26 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Please give the system a few days and let us hear your positive and constructive feedback. Some of the claims of "I was punished" I know are not true. It's really easy to have a .04 second delay in connecting and figure "The system blocked me!"

Let's get some real feedback, not knee-jerk reactions. Sure, if you get a block on your account, let us know that via the Support system. But please don't post anecdotal comments without having worked with the system, because it's too easy to say "Yeah, and my grandmother was blocked for two weeks for botting, and she doesn't even have a computer!"

(Forgive me, I'm not making light of those who have had problems. But I'm betting my bottom dollar that there are far fewer than some people want you to believe.)

So, when a post doesn't consist of 'We love you guys' it's a knee jerk reaction made up of exaggerated lies? Well done. Implement a bad system and then insult the community.

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

30 Sep 2007 at 03:32 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

So...you are supporting leavers and saying that it is quicker to leave and join another?

There is a place that you can get the perfect team you desire. It is called TA. This is called Random Arena, not Leave-until-you-get-the-team-you-want Arena

use logic plz.

I'm not talking about a perfect team ra, i'm saying that when you have a team with 3 monks and a heal rit, vs a team with 2 monks a wamo and a cold rit... both teams will get nothing out of it.

If you also a good monk with a crappy team, and you fight a team with another team with a good monk and a crappy team... the battle will... linger for along time too. There comes a time when you have to /resign, the only problem is, well there seems to be a correlation between crappy players and not being able to target, read team chat, and having the want to try to solo everything. DO you really think they know or will /resign because 1 person on their team /resigns?

Goldleader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/Me

30 Sep 2007 at 03:35 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

And as for Goldleader: players are not charity organizations. Nobody should have to babysit anyone. I agree it would be nice if all players helped each other, but they are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to do so. Everyone is in this game to have fun, so if helping other people isn't fun for you, you don't do it, period.

The actual valid support for punishing leavers in RA is the fact that TA exists.

There are no obligations in video games, except now there is in GW...the new Dishonor system clearly states "You are obligated to not leave the match early because you think you are too good to continue on."

If you're ticked because your team isn't very good, tough it out and do your best. At the end of the match, you are NOT obligated to keep playing in PvP. You don't have to keep playing with the same team. Go do something else...PvE, watch TV, whatever.

The people who chronicly leave matches, have pissed off a lot of regular players in GW. Anet is trying to do something to punish these people and make it harder for teams to lose matches because they are undermanned.

The system is not perfect, but it's a great start.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

30 Sep 2007 at 03:35 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoldyRiceFrenzy

use logic plz.

I'm not talking about a perfect team ra, i'm saying that when you have a team with 3 monks and a heal rit, vs a team with 2 monks a wamo and a cold rit... both teams will get nothing out of it.

If you also a good monk with a crappy team, and you fight a team with another team with a good monk and a crappy team... the battle will... linger for along time too. There comes a time when you have to /resign, the only problem is, well there seems to be a correlation between crappy players and not being able to target, read team chat, and having the want to try to solo everything. DO you really think they know or will /resign because 1 person on their team /resigns?

If this situation happens, then the battle will last 8, or less often 12 minutes. I'm sorry if that is too much time. I'd rather spend 8 minutes in a stalemate than spend 2 hours trying to get on a team without leavers.

Crisis Redux

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

W/

30 Sep 2007 at 03:36 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

So...you are supporting leavers and saying that it is quicker to leave and join another?

There is a place that you can get the perfect team you desire. It is called TA. This is called Random Arena, not Leave-until-you-get-the-team-you-want Arena

Read his statement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoldyRiceFrenzy

If you have some intelligence you will know when your battle is over.

He isn't talking about the "perfect team" he is just talking about when your in a match you know you can't win, but at the same time the other team can't either.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

30 Sep 2007 at 03:36 - 66

While I think this is needed in PvP I feel we give the players to many ways to be stupid. At fifty a day I see ppl reporting each other for nothing at all just to see the how many reports they can make. I say limit it to five or less a day. That way they need to make it count not what I was reported for today in AB: 1. Playing a noobish build 3 reports (touch ranger) 2. Beating a shadow prism assassin who claimed "You hacked the system dis build has 2 kill, ima report you fur cheating" 3. Having pvp in my name??? 4. Killing someone who told me not to. 5. Danceing on an enemy corpse 6. Kiting "Get back here loser!!!! ima report you for being a noob"

Ahhhhhhh stupidity is much too prevelent on GW.

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

30 Sep 2007 at 03:37 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldleader

There are no obligations in video games, except now there is in GW...the new Dishonor system clearly states "You are obligated to not leave the match early because you think you are too good to continue on."

The entire discussion is whether that obligation should even exist. Stating that it does exist is meaningless - we know that, that's why we're debating it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldleader

If you're ticked because your team isn't very good, tough it out and do your best. At the end of the match, you are NOT obligated to keep playing in PvP. You don't have to keep playing with the same team. Go do something else...PvE, watch TV, whatever.

The people who chronicly leave matches, have pissed off a lot of regular players in GW. Anet is trying to do something to punish these people and make it harder for teams to lose matches because they are undermanned.

The system is not perfect, but it's a great start.

Again, the only reason that argument is valid is because TA exists. It has absolutely nothing to do with helping your fellow player, which is what I was pointing out in my earlier post.

Toxage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

30 Sep 2007 at 03:41 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

So, when a post doesn't consist of 'We love you guys' it's a knee jerk reaction made up of exaggerated lies? Well done. Implement a bad system and then insult the community.

QFT Gaile Gray is a horrible community manager and should be fired.

Phaern Majes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Anywhere but up

The Panserbjorne [ROAR]

R/Mo

30 Sep 2007 at 03:43 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Ok..full story, please.

Someone reporting you for this "Price of Failure is good for shutting down melee characters." isn't going to happen.

You obviously don't know how stupid some people are...or immature.

MsMassacre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

30 Sep 2007 at 03:52 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm betting my bottom dollar that there are far fewer than some people want you to believe.)

This is community relations? "You guys are lying, the system is fine!"

Burn Butt

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Mafia of Annihilation [FeAr]

E/Me

30 Sep 2007 at 03:58 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Please give the system a few days and let us hear your positive and constructive feedback. Some of the claims of "I was punished" I know are not true. It's really easy to have a .04 second delay in connecting and figure "The system blocked me!"

Let's get some real feedback, not knee-jerk reactions. Sure, if you get a block on your account, let us know that via the Support system. But please don't post anecdotal comments without having worked with the system, because it's too easy to say "Yeah, and my grandmother was blocked for two weeks for botting, and she doesn't even have a computer!"

(Forgive me, I'm not making light of those who have had problems. But I'm betting my bottom dollar that there are far fewer than some people want you to believe.)

I heart Anet. But after reading how the system was going to work, this was my exact fear. It's no secret that there are a fair amount of people who bully through the safety of their computers. My thoughts drifted to the other day when I was ABing and someone was running an exceptional tank build. He sat in a shrine and wouldn't leave, while probably 10 guys were attempting to kill him. Their inability to kill him quickly lead to frustration and they started verbally trying to beat the guy, calling him the standard "noob" to basically accusing him of cheating.

This is the kind of scenario that would lead me to worry about false reporting. Also, bonders in Fort Aspenwood tend to get a bunch of haters on them when they bond the gate eles at the end. I don't doubt people would use the /report function as a way of taking out their frustrations.

What would be nice is an instant alert that you've been reported, and a way to /dispute or something.

The REAL problem is leechers. I wonder why /report couldn't just trigger a script to see if the said offender is standing still and/or not attacking or using skills.

I do think that you should get negative reports for getting the door during AB because it does hurt your team. I understand that life might throw a curveball at you sometimes (like a door ringing) but if UPS dropoffs are allowed, next it's getting a glass of water, or taking out the trash or something else. When you leave your keyboard you leave your teammates without support, and I figure that's the purpose of this whole /report thing.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

30 Sep 2007 at 04:07 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisis Redux

Read his statement.
He isn't talking about the "perfect team" he is just talking about when your in a match you know you can't win, but at the same time the other team can't either.

I'm sure, but if you allow free leaving, then people will leave when the team is not perfect. I'd much rather have this small inconvenience than have 1-2 leavers in 9 out of 10 matches.

Gattocheese

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

New Mexico

GWEN

30 Sep 2007 at 04:09 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Please give the system a few days and let us hear your positive and constructive feedback. Some of the claims of "I was punished" I know are not true. It's really easy to have a .04 second delay in connecting and figure "The system blocked me!"

Let's get some real feedback, not knee-jerk reactions. Sure, if you get a block on your account, let us know that via the Support system. But please don't post anecdotal comments without having worked with the system, because it's too easy to say "Yeah, and my grandmother was blocked for two weeks for botting, and she doesn't even have a computer!"

(Forgive me, I'm not making light of those who have had problems. But I'm betting my bottom dollar that there are far fewer than some people want you to believe.)

I agree. I believe the system can work, just has a few bugs like everything else that is new.

I agree that alot of the posts saying they were punished are not true.

Its hard not to be a leaver in Random Arenas because people always want to play to win and find the good balanced or "dream" team to win. Thats what Team Arenas are for. The idea of Random Arenas has to return to original roots. Being put with random people with random builds is what it is all about. Yes it sucks to be stuck with a bunch of people with noobs builds. Get over it, its just a game and its part of Random Arena.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

30 Sep 2007 at 04:17 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

I played my mesmer for a match in AB.

Reported 7 times. Beat that.

Tbh, (knowing that this mess will be fixed) i find it rather funny and i use it as an indicator. For what? It tells me i'm doing my job, really well.

EDIT: Fenix hit the nail on the head. Either Gaile is trying but failing to avoid a boiling issue, or really has absolutely no clue about what's happening in one of the most popular PvP gametypes.

Umm.. you know you can only be reported by your own team right? (which means you weren't doing your job).

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

30 Sep 2007 at 04:26 - 75

it's just like on k5... user-based moderation winds up being abused. the trolls take it over and wield it as a weapon against everyone they don't like. i hope it happens soon, and they see the damage it does and yank it.

eudas

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

30 Sep 2007 at 04:32 - 76

If they know a /kick command will be abused, what on earth made them think the /report command wouldn’t be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattocheese

I agree that alot of the posts saying they were punished are not true.

I take it as, since they have enough dishonor points due to false reports that they are being punished for doing nothing wrong.

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

30 Sep 2007 at 04:53 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

If this situation happens, then the battle will last 8, or less often 12 minutes. I'm sorry if that is too much time. I'd rather spend 8 minutes in a stalemate than spend 2 hours trying to get on a team without leavers.

... i play/ed ra alot... i know how often u get leavers and how often you don't. I know there are alot of leavers, but it was nothing compared to being 2 hours of enter reenter. I know ur'll trying to say added up, but the same goes for what is happening now. It seems every other game u get a game with u could have saved dunno 5-10 minutes if you just left early. Ppl know when they have lost, and if those "leavers" used /resign it would be a different case, but this is RA- PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT /RESIGN IS.

this system is only worse though. Dishonorment for leaving a match instead of waiting 12 minutes for it to be over? thats dishonorment for u?

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

30 Sep 2007 at 05:01 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattocheese

Its hard not to be a leaver in Random Arenas because people always want to play to win and find the good balanced or "dream" team to win. Thats what Team Arenas are for. The idea of Random Arenas has to return to original roots. Being put with random people with random builds is what it is all about. Yes it sucks to be stuck with a bunch of people with noobs builds. Get over it, its just a game and its part of Random Arena.

i play ra because:

1. in ta there are teams where they want specific builds(sometimes ts- which i cant use b/c of dlup), and then others which u know will fail whom their players should go to ra.

2. because ra is much more convienent than going to ta, finding a group and setting up. When i go to TA i don't often find any groups with potential, most of those groups are guild groups, but the ones i find are just random nub pugs, or ones that want u to use ts/vent.

Yes, random arenas maybe have random builds and random ppl, and those may suck, but its not the reason I leave. I leave when your stuck in a battle that you know you are going to lose. I leave when im stuck with 4 monks. I leave when my other team is stuck with 4 monks and im stuck with a mending wamo with1 atk skill, and 3 heal rits, I leave when my team dies, but there is one person who won't die no matter what, I leave.

I can't leave.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

30 Sep 2007 at 05:27 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

...There is an old saying around here, where I live, that if everyone were required to carry a locked and loaded .45 - well, in just a few bloody years the courtesy levels would all improve.....

Bullshit! The most mindtwisted thing I have read in a long time. Look up Vendetta or Mafia.

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

30 Sep 2007 at 05:39 - 80

i believe hes actually trying to say that everyone would kill each other, but in modern day...
im pretty sure the areas with the lowest crime rates are the ones with the highest gun rates atm. aka texas. maybe its not texas but its one of those hic states.Also i think its in switzerland or something, alot of ppl have like automatic rifles or dunno something, and they have one of the lowest crime rates too.

would U mug somone with a gun?

anyway lets get back on topic

dishonor system is fubar