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Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

24 Oct 2007 at 00:25 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Is there a point to this thread?

Factions PvE mostly sucked because there were no heroes, and henchies provided were, in most missions, useless.

With heroes, it's not worth mentioning.

no,the problem was you were supplied with only 1 monk and a spirit rit for higher level areas,considering the spirits usually die in 1/2 sec anyway...and the monk was retarded

Bargamer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Rt/N

24 Oct 2007 at 00:37 - 42

I'm pretty sure they will have Cantha in GW2, they just decided not to have two different areas, + design, + faction rep, + whatever else, in the interests of, "Ok, you punks. No more of this Kurzick/Luxon civil war, you are ALL fighting for ME!"

And yes, I love my Rit. It was easy to level up, easy to get the faction to continue the storyline, and people still have Luxon/Kurzick guilds. It was also beautiful, no matter where I got lost. Some people just want to run-run-run, get to the next town, insta-kill everything with 12345, and not take time to soak in the scenery. IT'S A FREE MMO. You're not paying for a monthly subscription, so why not take as long as you darn well please?

Rivix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

D/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 01:23 - 43

Off topic but where is Cantha in relation to Tyria? Its confusing because both their coasts are on the west. They should have fliped Cantha horizontally and put it across the sea.

RPGmaniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

24 Oct 2007 at 01:30 - 44

Cantha is south of the Tyrian Continent. Here's a map showing where they are in relation to each other (except for the Far Shiverpeaks, wonder why it hasn't been updated yet).

trielementz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Spectra Sg [SpcA]

W/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 01:37 - 45

i think the lore came out of a necessity to limit GW2 to tyria at first. they had to tie up elona and cantha. anyway, i thought the fate of the sunspears was much much worse than the fate of cantha.

Smile Like Umean It

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Rt

24 Oct 2007 at 01:39 - 46

Looking pass the FedEx quests, the butt ugly city, tight spaces and lack of paths, I spent a good hour and a half exploring and trying to find the next city to save my place only to come to a nice pair of locked gates.
Bye-bye Factions.

I had actually tried it out on a guildie's account before buying it to avoid wasting money. Have only decided about 2 and a half months ago to finally get it and that was just to try out the Assassin. He only made it to the Marketplace, but I decided to take my war and ele through anyway. To this day the only thing I like about it is the Jade Sea.
I actually prefer to read the story of Shiro on Wiki than play Factions.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

24 Oct 2007 at 01:41 - 47

Personally, Cantha has the most beautiful content of all the chapters (and GW:EN). Unfortunately, it also has the worst storyline and gameplay. The most annoying missions in the game are all in Factions, and the locked gates are just painful. However, the henchmen are great, and the individual zones in the Jade Sea and Echovald Forest are rather fun.

Seeing as how GW2 is going to have entirely different gameplay (from the sound of it), Cantha might just become the best are in the game. Hopefully it will be available in at least an expansion.

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Some of the best armour is from Factions. :O

Oh yeah, forgot about that - agreed! There are only a handful of armors in Factions, elite and normal included, that I don't like. Everything else is amazing, and set the content bar apparently too high for the rest of the releases. Hell, the model for Warrior Kurzick has been re-skinned 4 more times (Sunspear, Sunspear 15k, Asuran, Monument top) it was so good.

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

24 Oct 2007 at 01:41 - 48

Some of the best armour is from Factions. :O

Anyhoo, I heard Cantha/Elona arent' available right away in GW2. Maybe expansions.

Rivix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

D/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 01:44 - 49

^

Found the awnser to my question:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Tyria.jpg

Rivix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

D/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 02:02 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGmaniac

Cantha is south of the Tyrian Continent. Here's a map showing where they are in relation to each other (except for the Far Shiverpeaks, wonder why it hasn't been updated yet).

yeah. that clears up a lot. thanks.

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Oct 2007 at 03:34 - 51

Omg Cantha = Communist China ?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 03:51 - 52

Factions Locked Gates = Result of people complaining about people getting run through the game.

Nightfall Partially locked gates = Result of people complaining about locked gates and wanting a compromise (more similar to Crystal Desert).

I personally found Factions really fun. With exception to the really annoying mazelike design of the city.

I hope GW2 eventually touches on it, I'd like to see what it would look like finally united!

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

24 Oct 2007 at 04:11 - 53

Factions had AB and that is well worth it. One of the only fun things to do anymore.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

24 Oct 2007 at 04:27 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Some of the best armour is from Factions. :O

And most of the best faces and hair. Most of my characters are Canthan for this reason...

Speaking of which, I hope we can create Canthan-looking characters in GW2.

arcady

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

San Francisco native

Mo/P

24 Oct 2007 at 06:05 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechronius

Sounds like they're just setting up Cantha for another expansion for GW2.

That's what I hope.

I'm not fond of some of the structure of Factions, but I do like Cantha and the people and classes of the second and third chapters are both much more interesting than the first.

Queenie

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Oct 2007 at 06:29 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

And most of the best faces and hair. Most of my characters are Canthan for this reason...

Speaking of which, I hope we can create Canthan-looking characters in GW2.

I agree, I hope we do get a nice variety of Tyrian/Canthan/Elonian faces and maybe some more news one :3

Locked Gates are uber ftl imho. XD

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

24 Oct 2007 at 06:51 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilseabass

I enjoy Factions, and still visit often. Many of the armors there are far superior to some of the Elonian and GWEN armors..

Elite Kurzick Necro and Warrior armors! Yeah!

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

24 Oct 2007 at 06:55 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I love Factions. Always have done, always will.

Cantha is a beautiful continent and I will sorely miss it if it is left out of GW:2 entirely.

Same here, I like the fastpaced missions and the good music. Nightfall has the worst music of all (the intro isn't too bad) and is so boring that I'll probably never want to start my Paragon.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

24 Oct 2007 at 06:56 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevin

Omg Cantha = Communist China ?

I believe you mean Cultural Revolution China

Current China is hardly the most fascist country in the world

Hyper.nl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Defending Fort Aspenwood

E/

24 Oct 2007 at 07:05 - 60

Hm, factions wasn't that bad. Actually, the only thing I don't like in Factions is the Kaineng City area with it's undercity. Very repetitive and boring level design.

But all the rest of Cantha I like a lot. The Shing Jea area, the beautiful Kurzick forest with it's gothic looks and the Luxon lands. Also the competitive missions and allicance battles are a great addition to the Guild Wars universe. The possibility to conquer a town with your alliance for some unique benefits is something you won't find in any other chapter.

So, maybe as stand-alone game it lacks, but as expansion to the existing game I thing Factions surely rocks.

free_fall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

24 Oct 2007 at 07:21 - 61

Factions is prob my favorite, too, at least it's where I still spend most of my time.

The only thing that really put me off it, at least initially, was the whole timed-mission thing but, meh, I got used to it.

Being able to fast-track a char to lvl 20, take them to Elona to grab the heros then go back to work on the story just makes it even more fun.

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

24 Oct 2007 at 07:27 - 62

I'm a factions fan jus cos im azn =P

and LOL does any1 see any MAO connotations, cultural revolution etc in the story line????

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 07:38 - 63

I still never get these people that think factions is repetitive and crystal desert isn't, but meh, can't argue taste. I love factions, the closed gates don't bother me at all, I just play. The only thing that sucks is the 10k faction you need to improve in the storyline. I like AB, so I usually play that when I need that, but people who hate AB get shafted with running faction quests and that's pretty boring.

OK, factions voice acting is horrendous, agreed...

I HAVE RETURNED, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Worst part about factions is the imperial sanctum mission, uncounterable party wipe FTL!

Angelica

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Aussie land

Me/E

24 Oct 2007 at 07:41 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I love Factions. Always have done, always will.

Cantha is a beautiful continent and I will sorely miss it if it is left out of GW:2 entirely.

I liked Factions too!
It has the best armours and lots of fantastic scenaries, this is my opinion anyway!

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

N/

24 Oct 2007 at 08:14 - 65

Yeah, I suspect Cantha and Elona will be released later on as expansions, much the same way as they are now.

While the barriers to running through Factions is a bit of a bore, the game isn't that long that its a problem.

Factions itself was a short game, and seperating it by Kurz/Lux means even less content that is needed to progress.

The 2 party missions can also be a bit of a pain.

While there are bits of Factions that is not very good, the campaign as a whole is competent. The one thing I really want to kill someone over is the horrible movie cutscenes.

They are the worst cutscenes I have seen in games in recent years. Someone needs to be shot for doing and approving them.

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

N/

24 Oct 2007 at 08:19 - 66

There's plenty of dragon imagery in Canthan architecture, and there's this massive dragon head in the ground in SunJiang District (mission), that reminded me of the frozen dragon and stuff.

I would not be surprised that one of the GW2 dragons will pay a visit to Cantha.

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

24 Oct 2007 at 08:28 - 67

If Cantha isn't in GW2.... I'm not buying it.
Simple as.

Factions was the best of the campaigns by miles, IMHO.
It wasn't unnecessarily spacious, but it was by far the most graphically impressive (until parts of GW:EN, and still is more asthetically pleasing). The creature designs were more innovative, the music better...
Ok.... I'm getting carried away.

The point is... I only really have Prophecies and Nightfall for the skills and weapon / armour skins. Factions is the only campaign I actually play through with all my characters, and the rest tend to just get abandoned.
It is bad enough to hear that the Kurzick houses were crushed out of their cultural identity.... but that Cantha should be cut off completely is too much.

If Guild Wars 2 doesn't have Cantha.... I won't have Guild Wars 2. End of Story.

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

24 Oct 2007 at 08:29 - 68

Don't lie, you'll buy it anyway just to whine about it.

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 08:36 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Don't lie, you'll buy it anyway just to whine about it.

OMG someone here got owned :P

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

24 Oct 2007 at 08:47 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Don't lie, you'll buy it anyway just to whine about it.

What makes you assume that? I have plenty enough other things to whine about, so I don't need any more.
I was already considering NOT buying it based on the reports that GW2 won't be instanced.

No instances = bad = I don't wanna play it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

OMG someone here got owned :P

Who? ... You?

Drakken Breathes Fire

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

They May Be Dead [DEAD]

N/

24 Oct 2007 at 08:51 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

Que suspenseful music.......
Remember, we will be battling 'The Ancient Dragons'
Sounds 'Canthanesque to me!!
Woot!! I can't wait to see!

Ancient Dragons just means me.
I'm not that scary lol

Even if they remove Cantha as a continent, that clearly states it's people and culture lives on elsewhere. Much like Ascalon, the nomadic Canthans will settle somewhere and create their own little 'chinatown' per se.

If they havent removed it, you'll likely set foot there in GW2 anyways, I think they may be striving AWAY from the multitude of expansion packs, much like they want to do away with the 'instanced explorable regions.'

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

24 Oct 2007 at 08:55 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Who? ... You?

Sry I was being lame, I just couldn't help myself from laughing till my belly hurt when I read Skuld's post. As for the rest, I kinda like your whining, it's soothing in a way.

mods, never ban this man again plz

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

24 Oct 2007 at 08:59 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Sry I was being lame, I just couldn't help myself from laughing till my belly hurt when I read Skuld's post. As for the rest, I kinda like your whining, it's soothing in a way.

mods, never ban this man again plz

It could be that my purpose in life is merely to serve as a warning to others.

That aside... I'm still not going to buy GW2 if it lacks Cantha.
Instead... I vote that GW2 be changed to be Cantha ONLY.... and include the eastern parts of the continent (past Maishang Hills and Rhea's Crater) that weren't included in Factions.

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

24 Oct 2007 at 12:04 - 74

so, factions was the best GW imo.

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

24 Oct 2007 at 12:20 - 75

I loved cantha myself, only didn't like the design of the imperial city... slums ftl

but i do reckon that gates were needed in cantha, it would just be to short if it could be runned. but wether it will be in gw 2.. mehh not sure i should be thinking about gw2 already

DonBrouhaha

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Oct 2007 at 12:47 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Don't lie, you'll buy it anyway just to whine about it.

LOL - thank you, I've now had my first laugh of the day

I have not been a fan of Factions - I haven't minded the closed gates because I usually play the game through and don't get runs - there are two main complaints

1. Factions = "Fun in the Sewers" - that tight, dark twisting part of the map just turned me off

2. It seemed as if Anet wanted to force PvE players to PvP - (not to start that discussion) - I have never been a fan of PvP so that portion of the game was lost to me

I have yet to get a char past the 10k faction portion of the game - may still - it's a while until GW2

Zet

CagedinSanity

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Away from you.

W/

24 Oct 2007 at 12:49 - 77

Factions was a PvP lovefest (just as Gwen was a PvE lovefest). Though it's almost a must have for AB, newly introduced PvE skills from kurz/lux.

Factions is annoying as mess. I still haven't beaten it, as I have beaten Proph/NF.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

24 Oct 2007 at 12:52 - 78

Like many here, I agree that GW2 without Cantha would be a terrible loss. Factions is such a nice campaign, maps look like 3D maze sometimes and are extremely innovative (the urban environment, the dark forest of Echovald, the jade sea). Prophecies and Nightfall are more mainstran in that regard, I would understand why some people may find Factions a bit less appealing (dark, sewers, afflicted), but I would suggest they try a bit harder to follow Shiro's story and the complicated structure (though I don't like the effect of the Kurwick/Luxon dychotomy on the population).

I was sad when reading in PC Gamer's article on GW2 that Cantha would be left out, alone in their secluded world. Very very sad if Cantha disappears, unless GW2 provides something better in that vein.

Toutatis

Walking Wiki

Join Date: Nov 2006

Isle of Medication

Visitors from Aranna [VFA]

Me/E

24 Oct 2007 at 13:19 - 79

Factions is my personal favourite of the GW episodes released so far. I even enjoy the labyrinth of dark alleyways in the city

I would love to be able to return to Cantha in GW2. It's such a rich continent with a gritty atmosphere. I know the current lore says that Cantha will be otherwise isolated in the GW2 timeframe and that it's unlikely that we'd get much of a chance to go there in the first instalment of GW2, but it's something that I would really love to see in an expansion.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

24 Oct 2007 at 13:21 - 80

we don't know that its not gunna be in gw2 and even if they do take it out its not because factions was a bad game.
Well all the other game's continents are connected so it would of been stupid to take out of one of there areas