*insert clever remark about PvX being bad*
LOL EVERYONE LAUGH AT ME PLZ
Who here uses PvX WiKi builds?
Ears of the Woods
TheGuildWarsPenguin
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Originally Posted by Esan
Summary of thread: no one will admit to using PvXWiki because everyone is so much better than those wikitards.
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Rich_Izy
Yes, i actually copy paste the templates, for pvp mostly
Actually, they've made me fall in love with the assassin class since i have never touched the assassin class when factions came out
Actually, they've made me fall in love with the assassin class since i have never touched the assassin class when factions came out
karunpav
yeah, i use it.
placebo overdose
i use it for combo's i have not thought of with all the skill combo's out there i dont have time to think of them on my own
i do however like fusing two builds together just for the giggles
i do however like fusing two builds together just for the giggles
Oso Minar
Absolutely not. It's fine for people who are completely new to the game, but after that you can easily see that half the builds are either outdated or underpowered. I'd rather make my own, thank you.
??Ripskin
On characters other than the ones I'm comfortable with (ie, warrior, monk, ranger) I use builds. But I only use them to get ideas, and change things.
crazy diamond
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Originally Posted by Oso Minar
Absolutely not. It's fine for people who are completely new to the game, but after that you can easily see that half the builds are either outdated or underpowered. I'd rather make my own, thank you.
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You can't see me
I'll look at them for ideas, but I've always adapted them if ever I use them I never use the "Cookie Cutter" Version. It often doesn't work for me.
pumpkin pie
All Hail to Heir to the Master
put your necros on that he'll never die (unless you don't know how to control it) lol, i've been using that on Master of Whispers since i discover that build on PvXWiki (back then it was still guildwiki - sub-page - build). Genius build. Master of whisper never dies in my group.
i made a slight change to it, replacing animate bone horrors to shambling horrors.
i made a slight change to it, replacing animate bone horrors to shambling horrors.
Ravi
i use pvxwiki cuz im lazy and i dont mind NOT thinkin my own builds, except of course for my super secret ursan blessing build.
Redfeather1975
I liked Guild Wars so much when I got it that I wanted the game to last so I avoided using wikis to speed up progress, either by looking up builds or maps, or quest walkthroughs.
For a lot of people it's more fun to figure out things on your own, despite it already being figured out and posted on a wiki.
But I understand that not everyone likes experimenting and exploring and just wants to beat the campaign, or start winning PvP matches right away.
Neither is right or wrong, just different ways of having fun for different people.
For a lot of people it's more fun to figure out things on your own, despite it already being figured out and posted on a wiki.
But I understand that not everyone likes experimenting and exploring and just wants to beat the campaign, or start winning PvP matches right away.
Neither is right or wrong, just different ways of having fun for different people.
Lord Sojar
I heard that PvX warrior build that is W/Mo with Mending, Healing Hands, Healing Breeze, Vigorous Spirit, and Frenzy is amazing. Note, you are not allowed to bring any other skills, just those above. If you do bring any other skills, your bar would be so overpowered, that it will crash your game, so don't try and bring lightning hammer or echo/arcane echo, or even that amazing healing touch skill!! HOW DARE!>!>!
arsie
I think the most common "mistake" that new players make is to go 50:50 with their primary and secondary profession skills.
On top of this, and/or as a result, their attribute points are in 5-6 different lines. They also tend not to be aware of the 15 attribute point quests.
Part of the problem is skill acquisition. New players get 2 skill each from each attribute line. And in Pre-Searing and other new areas, players do not have enough free skills to form 1-2 attribute line builds.
I would say that almost every vetted Wiki build for general PvE would steer new players towards the way the game is more efficiently played.
Play mostly as your primary and have 1-2 skill max from your Secondary.
Unless you're very familiar with the game mechanices, before you can attempt anything else.
For all those people moaning about WikiKids, I would say that people who are not even aware of the Wiki have a much steeper hill to climb.
I think most online games these days are frustrating for people who are not clued into forums and online resources. Almost everyone design content with the assumption that people have the collective information.
Its easy to say "sucks to be them", but most people who are new to the genre of games would be like that. And they are the new blood that keeps the industry alive. One day they'll pwn our arse, perhaps.
On top of this, and/or as a result, their attribute points are in 5-6 different lines. They also tend not to be aware of the 15 attribute point quests.
Part of the problem is skill acquisition. New players get 2 skill each from each attribute line. And in Pre-Searing and other new areas, players do not have enough free skills to form 1-2 attribute line builds.
I would say that almost every vetted Wiki build for general PvE would steer new players towards the way the game is more efficiently played.
Play mostly as your primary and have 1-2 skill max from your Secondary.
Unless you're very familiar with the game mechanices, before you can attempt anything else.
For all those people moaning about WikiKids, I would say that people who are not even aware of the Wiki have a much steeper hill to climb.
I think most online games these days are frustrating for people who are not clued into forums and online resources. Almost everyone design content with the assumption that people have the collective information.
Its easy to say "sucks to be them", but most people who are new to the genre of games would be like that. And they are the new blood that keeps the industry alive. One day they'll pwn our arse, perhaps.
Pwny Ride
I use PvX wiki, ONLY for inspiration in creating new builds. An idea to work from. But of course builds i make are always better (not at all trying to put myself above build posters, but you get what i mean) 
Saphrium
I use them, sometimes down-right copy them. No need to make it sounds like I don't or I am better than the templates.
Skuld
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Originally Posted by TheGuildWarsPenguin
If you think the builds on PvX suck, why don't you join the PvX community and help improve PvX by submitting your build and/or voting the crappy builds down?
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Auron and myself looked at a couple of GvG builds where ppl had rated the thing, and we doubted if 90% of them had ever even PLAYED a GvG match..
Take my friend Greven's Rt/P weapon of remedy/spear spamming RA build, not the best thing in the world, but did it deserve the dozen or so 0-0-0 votes it recieved within hours? ZERO effectiveness? That should be reserved for bars with no skills and no weapons. This is exactly the same at the other end of the spectrum: people voting 5-5-5 on stuff. Thats a perfect build, something repeatedly tried and tested. I can think of a handful of things which deserve this status, yet I see, time and time again, mediocre crap being awarded pages of 5-5-5s.
A large percentage seems to vote nothing but 0-0-0 and 5-5-5 again and again, with no punishment.
The community seems to revel caster-spikes and soul-reaping abuse builds in GvG, HA and even more worryingly, TA. This begs the question of whether these people have ever played anything that isn't these..
Now there is an innovation category, which takes up a whole 3rd of the final marking. Whoever the higher powers to are, have decided that innovation is equal to effectiveness. These are the same type of morons who refuse to use a "cookie-cutter" (read: proven and effective build) because... why?
The whole thing is corrupt, biased and pretty damn poor. (Though, a massive improvement on the old GuildWiki build system, I might add.)
Pickletron
I use PvX for farming builds but I don't tell anyone because it's cool to hate wiki.
william1975
well i tend to go out with my own build for most areas untill i come to an area that is totally impossible then i try and work my own builds round it, and when that wont work i go to wiki for ideas, usually on my heroes though.
Being primary mesmer there are not too many builds out there that i like, so its all my own on it. Pretty much the same for any other charcter i use.
Heroes however i tend to take out what is needed for the area as i don;t really PUG anymore and the way i see it, when you do an area you are usually looking for specific builds or characters so why not use wikik for them
Being primary mesmer there are not too many builds out there that i like, so its all my own on it. Pretty much the same for any other charcter i use.
Heroes however i tend to take out what is needed for the area as i don;t really PUG anymore and the way i see it, when you do an area you are usually looking for specific builds or characters so why not use wikik for them
Erocdrah
I use PvX build for character whose i don't know anything.
For my primary character i make my own build.
For heroes i prefer to get feedback on forums because i'm boring to test and try if each skill works well or not in heroes ^^
For my primary character i make my own build.
For heroes i prefer to get feedback on forums because i'm boring to test and try if each skill works well or not in heroes ^^
Esan
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Originally Posted by Skuld
Because its pointless, the unwashed masses get to decide how good things are, without having any credentials or even experience. [...]
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Build rating is, unfortunately, the best of all the suggestions the wiki community has had so far about builds. Meta moderation of the build raters might help some, but I have my doubts.
(I agree that "innovation" is rubbish. Nothing should be rated down just because it is old and popular.)
erfweiss
I use some of the builds on there as a starting point, try to tweak things to my own personal preference. Then again, something l like Spirit Scythe is amusing to try.
More for entertainment value.
More for entertainment value.
Katrina Sandstorm
I find creating my own builds to be rather fun.
lishi
Most of "great build" pretty much suck
Water Angel
prolyl all noobs in ha.they see build on wiki they go in ha get pwned and suck and cry.
Railin
I used exact wiki builds, and then after a while configuring them to my liking. Now my builds still have the same purpose, but I like them better this way.
Phineas
I also use the builds as templates for farming, but swap skills in and out to suit the task in hand.
unienaule
Lol, someone told Skuld "welcome to wikis" lol.
fowlero
i've used it on new chars on professions i dont know to learn the decent skills and some syngergy. skills cost a lot 
used a couple farm builds off there but now its mostly to get another way of looking at skills and to get inspiration for my own, that is if i use it at all.
used a couple farm builds off there but now its mostly to get another way of looking at skills and to get inspiration for my own, that is if i use it at all.
Chuk Charcoales
I use it all the time for PVP and PVE. It makes the game much easier when you know the best builds for any part of the game. Some people call me a "wikier", but I disagree. Why go through the time-consuming process of thinking up builds when they have already been thought up?
This was "sarcasm" although some is true. I'll leave it up to you to sift through it.
Anyway... I personally like to create builds when I am extremely bored and feel like doing RA.
That is all. Good Day.
This was "sarcasm" although some is true. I'll leave it up to you to sift through it.
Anyway... I personally like to create builds when I am extremely bored and feel like doing RA.
That is all. Good Day.
super strokey
Im not the best at making builds so i generally use the builds and then slightly alter them. It should be noted that im a PvE'er
Molock
I've looked at some of the builds.. looked for any good synergies between skills that about it. I make my own builds for many reasons.. mainly because I want to know how to use them perfectly and because I don't want them to suck... lol
anonymous
D. never
If I really need someones build I just watch their skills...
If I really need someones build I just watch their skills...
Senrath
I often use their builds to base my own off of. I look at a general idea and see if I can make it better :P
Alex the Great
c. only research
when i start a new class or orientation i look at common set ups for it
examples-
-changing my sword warrior to an axe warrior
-making a new rit
-other ele attributes that arn't fire
when i start a new class or orientation i look at common set ups for it
examples-
-changing my sword warrior to an axe warrior
-making a new rit
-other ele attributes that arn't fire
cosyfiep
never used them, never even knew what they were or that they even existed. then again I never really liked cookie cuter type things anyways (free form cookies ftw).
Magnus_1
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Myeh, I don't.
Besides, I can't trust PvX till crap like the Vigorous Paladin and WoH Healer get nuked. |
By the way, what is so bad about the standard WoH Monk? Granted, I don't like the build exactly as it's posted, but as a starting point it seems good enough.
cdgsax
Sometimes I go there to see the builds they are testing and try them out myself. Most of them are pretty bad.
ElinoraNeSangre
It's great for hero builds and the occasional farming build. For normal day to day builds that I use to play in PvE, I prefer to come up with my own stuff.
With so many heroes on so many characters, some of them running builds I wouldn't be running (for instance, I never run death magic or fire magic), it speeds things up to have a starting point for builds.
With so many heroes on so many characters, some of them running builds I wouldn't be running (for instance, I never run death magic or fire magic), it speeds things up to have a starting point for builds.
cyberjanet
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Originally Posted by Magnus_1
By the way, what is so bad about the standard WoH Monk?
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This thread is so you can post how L33T you are because you prefer to reinvent wheels.
For those who can recognise a perfectly good wheel and turn it into a tool, well...