Who here uses PvX WiKi builds?

mm Maybe 1 Build from there ive gotten..

The vetting system on that site is f***ed. No, I don't use it.

I use it quite often and they have some nice build ideas in there but some of the builds are not optimal, meaning that they can definitely be improved upon, even those with the "Great" recommendations.

Talking about farming builds, there are vital details left out on some of the farming builds. For example take this one with the "Good" recommendation:

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:E/...stroyer_Farmer

If you follow the build as it is, it would not work. Why? Because they left out the points that you need to pump for Air Magic and I bet he actually has a minor rune for Air Magic too to put Glyph of Swiftness over to affect 2 spells instead of 1 from his video.

I dont know who actually vets them, but vital information should be included in a recommended build. This is one case where you can say the proposed build is not optimal and I can lower the risk by just adding a minor air rune and allocating the spare stat points to air.

Re-read my post, I was not asking you to defend anyone, simply to answer in a non-flaming way and be kind to your fellow GW player (I'm trying to, so sorry if you feel I'm flaming you, apologies!). Yeah sure, argh's answer probably deserved the same reply that I gave to you, so let's rectify this right now: argh is also part of this bunch of GW players that turn the "competitive" aspect of the game into a "normal behavior" where you replace a polite comment by a flame.

Bear in mind it's just a game, you can play hard, kill hard, but be fair to people: "you suck" means NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, it's a personal judgement totally relative to your opinion of what one has said, not done (I wouldn't use it for you, despite the fact that one could say your answers suck). You are totally entitled to your opinion on people, but there's a huge difference between telling people they suck and pointing them to your situation ("you should be like me, do what I do and understand as I understand").

I personnally laugh at people that tell me I'm bad, because I extremely rarely pretend I'm good. I rather see it as a weakness in them, their inability to understand the range of situations that we, the "average/normal/casual" player, share. I work in computing and security and I could flame a lot of people for their incompetence (we could almost answer "google it" or "GWiki it" to almost any question), but I won't, because there's no way people who don't work in this industry will understand it as I do. Giving knowledge and pointing to it requires politeness and to put aside the "competition" for a minute or two so that this knowledge is passed on. And don't think that pointing at the PvX site is enough (I was first surprised by the lack of information compared to GWiki, then at the fact that some build have inconsisten information on their use, some of the RA Ele builds for example).

And I should say this once more with the hope that you'll understand me now: I'm simply pointing at the fact that people (read the MMORPG.com review of EotN) say that GW's community is terrible (I had wonderful experience, no doubt about it) and not kind at all with the "newbies" (who are not n00bs). We need more pedagogy in this community, if not it'll simply die on itself because people think that others suck and should simply be as "good" as they are. Hope I was clear this time.

vid is from way back when skill was bugged.

I look for the lastest farming builds..but cant use because i dont have of the prophecy skills

A lot of the "newbie" hate comes from them not listening when you try to explain something.

Me: Mending is a horrible healing skill on a Warrior.
Them: It works for me so I don't care, don't tell me how to play.
Me: Ok whatever.

Then they play through the game, they buy their FoW armor, they buy their Tormented Set, then they go to RA with Mending, Healing Breeze, and Resurrect.

Every online game I join touts that it has the worst community.
Revelation: online game communities as a whole are ugly. GW is nothing special.

Guild Wars is actually a lot better than the Diablo 2 community. So Guild Wars at least isn't the "worst".

I don't use PvX Wiki because like many I have played this game long enough to understand the fundamental basics and observing the battlefield and adjusting my own builds accordingly. Also I do not use 1 build/hero setup throughout GW. I mix things up all the time. I'll test out new setups and once I think they are optimized to my liking I'll save it as a template and start tweaking other setups. Keeps things interesting, keeps my mind working and it's fun to come up with your own setups and watching them fail/succeed.

I personally dislike PvX Wiki and I advise new players to NEVER EVER use it. Reason being is far too many new players just copy builds with no idea how to use them properly. Being given a build and being told it works is 1 thing, knowing how the build works and how to utilitize it effectively is another.

Also the builds posted on the PvX website are from players just like the rest of us, which means they are prone to be BAD. New players don't/won't know this . Many of us (some of you call us Elitists) try to "teach" new players things such as why Healing Breeze sucks the big one but with sites like PvX advertising such builds new players automatically assume these skills are "good". "It must be good! It's on Wiki!".

To wrap it all up....
Wiki = fail (use Wiki only if you don't plan to spend more then a few months playing and you're not the least bit interested in learning to play better or at least understand the game mechanics)
Take your time and learn the game = win (emphasis on taking your time since some of you don't have much and GW is as casual as you can make it)

The usage says to just use it on Obs Flesh, so why does it matter whether if affects two spells?

There's no use to getting a 2 spell glyph in that build. The only other spell that you really want to recharge faster is sliver and it's not going to be affect by the glyph unless you spec enough air for 3 spell glyph.

Nice thinly veiled insult there.

You'd rather them have a bad build and be bad at using it than have a good build but be bad at using it?

Except the bad ones get removed, generally.

Please point out any such builds(i.e. any bad builds) to me at http://pvxwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Edru_viransu. If they're actually bad, then I get to exercise my deleting muscles again. =]

It is much more effective to have a good build(from wherever you obtained it, be it obs, forums, PvX, or wherever) when learning to play, because when using a good build you know that failures are due to your own failure to play well instead of the build being bad.

How so? Why not, you know, offer suggestions on how to fix instead of just QQing?

Have you never played maplestory?

>.> t I hate those people

Oh GOD YES
easier kills for me

I have only used it a few times in order to get back into the loop and see what builds people were talking about.

eh probably means he's one of those lost souls over at the cripshot talk page

... brt
I need a laugh

oh, its epic. leave a a message and me and ibreak, possibly some friends, we troll it to hell

I also glyph stoneflesh, but obsidian flesh is a MUST to glyph.

Having the ability to glyph 2 spells makes it safer than 1, don't you think? Furthermore, this is a build that involves renewing 6 skills (if you dont count acid and arcane echo) while moving 50% slower towards each mob on either side. It is not an easy build to execute since you need to move slowly while making sure your enchants are up at all times, making sure you would always Glyph Obsidian Flesh immediately whenever you can, and at the same time activating arcane echo sliver to slay your mobs when you get to them.

Stoneflesh takes 2 seconds to cast, which is the longest of the first 3 enchants and it lasts the shortest. If you miss out on stoneflesh, you can see your life actually going down and if you miss on Glyph+Obsidian Flesh, you can die quickly.

Furthermore, having a minor air magic rune + spare stat points into air magic brings GoS to just enough to support 2 spells. If you dont want to invest in a minor air magic rune, like myself, you can even bring down energy storage and pump it to air magic for GoS to support 2 spells, since energy is not a problem in this build but timing IS. Therefore, anything to help with the safety and success rate would be improving the build. In this case, the build can be made alot safer, with just minor tweaks.

It needs more elitism, tbh

Sure do if they are of use to me. I take a look at PvX to get a general idea of some build and usually spice it up with my own favourite skills because nothing is easier to use than what you like and know how-to imo and you work better that way.

It's also nice for some general farming ideas. 'Course there are really lots more. I usually get told (off) by friends on what skills are better to bring in some places etc. etc. and friends are also a good source in sharing the hottest and the latest and what is generally good stuff. But mostly in PvE it does not matter so much, there's always a bit of leeway and you can just have fun and bring whatever silly things ya like because real friends can handle your tanking StarBurst ele .....right? :P

new pay-out coming
Wiki Noob!!!!!!!!!!

and new FTW incourgments
FWNBOA

Frieken wiki noob builds own all!!!!!!!!!!!

They have some decent hero builds and farming builds. And since I have a hard time coming up with either of those, I use it for that. Most of their builds are fairly inane though.

A. All the time

I have next to no skills unlocked and I can't be bothered to waste my time looking at the hundreds or so skills here or at GuildWiki to make my own build. I'll eventually tweak the builds to my own liking with whatever the heck I decided to learn with a tome that I found during HM.

Sometimes i use them to come up with an idea for a build... So yeah i may have some modded pvx builds in my templates...

Only ever look at wiki to see what the current meta is, and then I figure out how to counter it.

I only take certain ideas but I don't adopt the whole build.

- Ganni

The wiki is always way behind the meta. How many years did it take them to write up the legoway build again? (And it's still wrong.)

Never did and never will. Had way to much problems with mindless people that used the builds without understanding them. The risk of becoming a mindless Copypaste Drone is too great.

Mostly research, wouldn't like to see it dissappear.

Using them to reflect on builds, at time when I don't have access to gw, but do have internet access

so the official and pvx wiki's are my close friends

As has been said, great place to get some ideas and models for a build.

Would have liked to seen that site offer more discussion along with more "untested" builds. It seems too canned and limited at this point.

It seems most people are not using PvXWiki. The irony of it is, if you go to a post or town to do missions and quests, people are using them. If fact, if you build outside the meta, you get kicked out of the party or be called a noob.

If we say interrupt ranger, we know basically what the skills are . Or shock warrior warrior, flag-runner, bonder, spirit spam, SS, obby tank, phoenix blossom, blind surge, so many other else you can see at actual play.

I have the feeling most of us use PvXWiki as "starting point" and then we change a skill or two or three as our experience dictate. If this is our desciption of "originality", I think everyone classify as original build user. Or we are just toying with words.

Do I use PvXWiki build? I do because when I join parties PUGS, guildies, friends, they insist I use PvXWiki build or a tweaked version of them.

Pivotal word here is "tweak".

My take.

I use it for heros and farming builds. That's it.

I prefer to use a wiki build than to be with a bunch of suckie homemade build guys who says wiki sucks, seriously, its tested by the gw people and i think you can have still the fun to use one than to create a horrible one.

I have searing flames on my elementalist hero. I think I got the original from PvX, although I've replaced the rez with maelstrom (uber interrupt in PvE due to faulty mob AI).

well put, for the most part i do the same

yup - mostly 'cause I've donated builds to PvX :P

so yer course I use builds from PvX they are mine ;P

i dont. i make my own bars from scratch and anything i find effective on wiki
i have already compiled myself something similar. LEARN SKILL SYNERGY FOR YOURSELF I say. by the time you get to the point where you can steal a cookie cutter, you will find you dont nee to as you already problably have
come up with them on your own.

i look at them sometime to see the mechanics of them and then i decide if i want to copy/modify the build

Not me, although some builds I use end up being copied and placed there. Darn RAers >_>

I use it for farming builds mostly but when I see a concept for a good build I usually use it as a base and get rid of the skills I think are crap.

Also for heroes, I'd rather use something on them that someone else has already tested.

I use the wiki for checking stuff and for lawl-build talks.