elektra_lucia
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
No you weren't explaining, you were asking a question:
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Torqual
Saraphim
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Mineria
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Originally Posted by Karyuu
@Mineria: And what point are you trying to make? If anything, you are proving my own. Screenshots + Photoshop = very time consuming to see what spots you have yet to explore. Texmod = quicker to see what spots you have yet to explore.
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Karyuu
Saraphim
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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
I think you enjoy seeing people fight Saraphim xD.
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HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Saraphim
This thread has completely deterioated to +1 sniping and snarkiness, even from the OP.
Frankly, despite his commendably large thought out post (and despite the fact that it's a bit of an epic rant) the moment someone dismisses other people's opinions as "bilge" and "excrement" and makes assumptions that those people have no idea what they're talking about then they've effectively shot their own argument in the foot anyway. I think there was a vaild discussion in here at some point. |
Karyuu
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Heheh, Saraphim At the same time, you could make that same argument about guides and wikis. More and more people have access to them, so more and more people are finding out where to go for skill capping, as one example. Guides and wikis sure affect the Legendary status for that title track. |
Big_Iron
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Originally Posted by Richardt
See....this is just frustrating.
I have several friends who don't care about titles and as such don't work on them. But they at least appreciate when someone works really hard at one and actually earns it. |
elektra_lucia
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Who me? /whistles innocently. Nah, tbh I only just thought of that, and it is quite a big issue really as favour affects every single player in the game, indirectly and directly. You could potentially argue that it even affects the economy as if this mod is really creating LGMCs all over the place then if it was taken away it could reduce access to FoW and the Underworld, prices of ectos etc. Them's big worms crawling out of that can. Or I may be full of it, can't really say as I've never been a hardcore farmer or trader. |
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Mineria
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Originally Posted by Karyuu
The title means something to me personally :] In every game I have played, and in all the previous guilds I have joined, I've been an "Explorer." Since GW has an explorer/cartographer title, I figure I should continue with my tradition.
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| Your own personalized Hall of Monuments to preserve your achievements, trophies, and titles across all Guild Wars games, allowing descendants to reap the benefits of your character's fame in Guild Wars 2 |
nbajammer
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
But I think the point is, the mod does change things, dramatically! I do not see the OP "belittling" someone. I see him expressing concern that suddenly those achievements that had one level of requirement are substantially easier to obtain. If someone wanders around trying to get that last .03%, that's entirely different than if someone can fire up the mod, jump to the map, and complete the final percentage in a matter of minutes.
Torqual, I understand your concerns, and this thread will be included in this week's community summary. I honestly don't expect that the game will be altered to revert the newly-changed parameters back to what they once were. But I will pass along how you feel about it, principally for future consideration. |
elektra_lucia
Fried Tech
Vilaptca
Karyuu
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Originally Posted by Mineria
But did you think a bit about the HoM issue concerning it?
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nbajammer
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Originally Posted by Saraphim
I do, in fact the 'Mapping Out' tool from this very forum is a joy to use. I can find out in seconds which characters need which elites, and the info is saved for me for future reference. I used to use an excel sheet to record elites before, Mapping Out is a godsend IMO.
Only have Canthan hunter so far, as I need more cash before I do the other two. |
elektra_lucia
| PS - I used photoshop after i reached 99.8%........ so i guess i cheated to. lol |
| To be truthful, both TexMod and Mapping Out are godsends, and since they run independently, they are both great assets to the community. This thread really is all about e-peen. |
Big_Iron
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Originally Posted by nbajammer
Pray tell, Gaile, exactly what is changed by TexMod? It does not modify any in-game files, so how exactly is anyone other than the user incovenienced by this program? And if a person decides to inconvenience themselves, well they'd have only themselves to blame wouldn't they?
Furthermore, if the program actually was a cheat, then explain to me this. Why, then, is there an entire page devote to it, on the OFFICIAL Wiki, with comments from Emily stating that it is okay to use but not to contact support if it breaks our game because they will not support it? To anyone reading that page, it looks like it is in fact PERMITTED by Anet to use. The OP just wants a bigger e-peen for achieving something without aids that many people used. All of them should not be punished for using a permitted program to achieve a title that only affects them and not other users, and does not change the game client in any way, shape, or form. Nor the server, either. The page in question is here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod As others in the thread have stated, Anet has more important matters to focus on than one poster's QQ about worked harder for a title than others. Please do us all a favor and take that out of the summary. There's NO problem here, and we'd rather see time devoted to better and more useful things than this. |
nbajammer
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Originally Posted by Torqual
When you read pages of ignorant people saying "QQ more" to your long and thought out post, it kind of makes you lose interest in continuing to post constructively yourself. I accept my error.
The discussion has most definitely run its course. |
Torqual
zwei2stein
elektra_lucia
Torqual
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Originally Posted by Vilaptca
If this thread just starts to be more of page 12, then I'm just going to close this.
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Torqual
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Now, the reall concern is indeed Gaile "looking into it".
I think its safe to say that if results are unfavorable for modding community, OP is going to face some massive abuse. BTW, do we have his IGN? |
Karyuu
elektra_lucia
| I never cease to be amazed how full of hate GWGuru is. So many people on here would never act like this in real life; they'd get their faces filled in within 10 seconds. |
| Torqual, there also have been many "traditionalists" posting that have never used the mod, but also stated they don't care about others using it. |
Skuld
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Now, the reall concern is indeed Gaile "looking into it".
I think its safe to say that if results are unfavorable for modding community, OP is going to face some massive abuse. BTW, do we have his IGN? |
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Torqual
When does a mod cross the line from time-saving to being performance-boosting? Should we give Legendary titles to people that do this? And is such use what the mod-writer intended?
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Leighwyn
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Originally Posted by Torqual
My whole point was that use of the mod is widespread - check the OP.
Three types of people have posted in here: 1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who are also disappointed that it's been cheapened and can be achieved with 5% of the original effort needed when it was implemented into the game. 2) Those who used the mod to get their own title and take offence to me saying they got it on the cheap. Plenty of these. They are as offended by my comments as I am by their use of it to steal the title. 3) People that have little interest in the subject or knowledge about it who make a habit of entering random threads and trying to look cool by making throw away comments and putting people down. |
nbajammer
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Originally Posted by Torqual
My whole point was that use of the mod is widespread - check the OP.
Three types of people have posted in here: 1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who are also disappointed that it's been cheapened and can be achieved with 5% of the original effort needed when it was implemented into the game. |
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Originally Posted by Torqual
2) Those who used the mod to get their own title and take offence to me saying they got it on the cheap. Plenty of these. They are as offended by my comments as I am by their use of it to steal the title.
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Originally Posted by Torqual
3) People that have little interest in the subject or knowledge about it who make a habit of entering random threads and trying to look cool by making throw away comments and putting people down.
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Originally Posted by Torqual
I am quite sure that this discussion has drawn the attention to use of the mod and may even increase usage. But come on, there's a link to it on the official GW Wiki! It's well known and as I said in my OP, LGMC is the third-most maxed title you see popping up in Kamadan ... and it's evident why.
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Originally Posted by Torqual
Can I also clarify that this is not an attack on the modding community. I have enjoyed some great mods in many games: RTW, CS: Source, even Kick Off 2 (bet no-one here knows what that is).
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Originally Posted by Torqual
This is a very, very smart mod, a really fine piece of programming. And I would suggest that use of this mod to put someone on 99.7% out of their misery is quite a reasonable and understandable thing. I am not a grind Nazi. But using the mod to take yourself from 60% to 100% in half a day ... I'd call that ABUSE of the mod. When does a mod cross the line from time-saving to being performance-boosting? Should we give Legendary titles to people that do this? And is such use what the mod-writer intended?
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elektra_lucia
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What are the options? > ANet installs spyware to detect texmod, bans accounts: (this aint gonna happen, im sure) lawsuits > ANet makes their game incompatible with texmod (complete rewrite of architechture, not likely) people carry on using photoshop, not a massive difference > ANet changes the cartographer title mechanics (kill all monsters in NM?), not gonna happen, too much effort for no return Any more? I think we can safely say that nothing is going to happen. |
Savio
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Originally Posted by Torqual
1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who don't care if others use a mod.
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nbajammer
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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
Therefore the reason that an 'official wiki' page says the program is some what allowed? Although, I have never used texmod. What exactly is it, dll files or what? It's easy to ban dll files.
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