Or, to make things super-clear with extreme examples (as I so love to):
Would you sooner team up with people who are very individually capable at the game, but are stuck-up, sociopathic arseholes who ignore the team-leader and abuse other members of the team whenever they make a mistake...
... Or would you rather team up with rather incapable newbs who are friendly, polite and willing to learn, though rather slow at doing so and essentially force you to pull most of the weight yourself to compensate for their lack of understanding of the game?
I'm aware that the extremes are rather few and far between. Most newbs tend to fall right into the n00b category and between them have all the brainpower of a rusty saucepan... AND total and utter sociopaths are unlikely to join up with a team in the first place....
But still. Not taking it so much at the extremes..... what is more sought after: less experience but friendlier or more experience and mild hostility?
What is more important to you in a team: Aptitude or Attitude?
SotiCoto
Etta
It's not that simple, there're people who less experience and don't want to learn anything as well as more experience but still crap at playing the game. Well to answer your question, I would go for less experience but friendlier. They might wants to learn and become better at the game.
arcanemacabre
Most definitely the latter - kind and inexperienced. After all "PvE is easy," right? Most of it is, anyway. So therefore, you should be able to succeed about 99% of the time, and have fun doing it, with the kinder, more inexperienced person. In PvP, though, I kinda prefer the knowledgeable jerks, and just ignore their immature rants.
arcady
Attitude is everything. Aptitude can be trained, and people with good attitude comes built in with an ability to play nice and be social which are cornerstones of aptitude as well.
quickmonty
I prefer my guild and alliance. A mixture of fair to good players who all have a fantastic attitude and like to have fun.
ReiNaruto
Attitude is the most important, aptitude usually is only a matter of time.
For example, yesterday night, I and some guildies were trying The deep. We needed a BiP and an ele. We took them from int-district. They were good, ok. But, they were a pain in the ass, they were all the time taunting one of my friends: "He is so stupid and noob. Wearing a platemail makes you stupid, it is not my opinion, it is a real fact." I think that they dont even know that now all the max armors have insignias and can be fully customized.
For example, yesterday night, I and some guildies were trying The deep. We needed a BiP and an ele. We took them from int-district. They were good, ok. But, they were a pain in the ass, they were all the time taunting one of my friends: "He is so stupid and noob. Wearing a platemail makes you stupid, it is not my opinion, it is a real fact." I think that they dont even know that now all the max armors have insignias and can be fully customized.
GD Defender
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Would you sooner team up with people who are very individually capable at the game, but are stuck-up, sociopathic arseholes who ignore the team-leader and abuse other members of the team whenever they make a mistake...
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SotiCoto
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Direct opposites as GW is a team game.
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There are some folks out there who seem to carry the notion that they were born to be in charge... and that when things go wrong it is the fault of people who did not acknowledge their authority... They aren't "bad" at the game persay, but they won't fit in anything other than a leader role, and there is only room for one of those per party. One of them in charge of a group isn't necessarily a problem, but stick two of them in a group and all hell breaks loose.
I'd relate to this. I'm not entirely like that myself, but I carry some measure of it. I do tend to get very impatient if I feel the team leader is making exceptionally bad choices and if I have any heroes under my command I'll tend to make deviations here and there (such as deliberately aggroing a small group of enemies that are easily beaten rather than make a long and pointless trek all the way around the outside). That said, I don't much like being in charge as other than the monks, the team leader gets the blame if things go wrong.
Painbringer
We are all play on the same playground.
I would go with Polite Noobs.
I would go with Polite Noobs.
Cebe
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Most definitely the latter - kind and inexperienced. After all "PvE is easy," right? Most of it is, anyway. So therefore, you should be able to succeed about 99% of the time, and have fun doing it, with the kinder, more inexperienced person.
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If I had to choose between one or the other, I'd also choose the latter. It's not that simple though, there aren't just two types of players out there.
Equaliser
I am currently in a guild with very few activity players so I have plenty of experience with PuG groups.
In my experience people who think they are great and show it seldom displayed their skills when in missions. They would usually die after couple of encounters then blame the tank for no tanking or the monk for not healing then leave. Your group will then be forced to resign or continue without them.
Whereas you can generally compete a mission with newbies who are welling to learn. It may take more time giving them instructions but they generally get the job done.
So I have to say attitude certainly beat aptitude.
In my experience people who think they are great and show it seldom displayed their skills when in missions. They would usually die after couple of encounters then blame the tank for no tanking or the monk for not healing then leave. Your group will then be forced to resign or continue without them.
Whereas you can generally compete a mission with newbies who are welling to learn. It may take more time giving them instructions but they generally get the job done.
So I have to say attitude certainly beat aptitude.
Lady Ana Stacia
Attitude above all else :-)
Kusandaa
Attitude, hands down. You can go everywhere with people as long as they are willing to learn.
lakatz
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Attitude is everything. Aptitude can be trained, and people with good attitude comes built in with an ability to play nice and be social which are cornerstones of aptitude as well.
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fallot
Neither of course. Why choose between retards when capable people who are great to be around with exist ?
Edit: And no "but if you just had to" situations please. Because those never really happen, so unless all you want with this thread is theoretical wankery, its quite useless.
Edit: And no "but if you just had to" situations please. Because those never really happen, so unless all you want with this thread is theoretical wankery, its quite useless.
elektra_lucia
Stuck up people maybe, so often arseholes are nice people underneath, but the nice people are arseholes. Unless I'm in a specific mood, I won't hang around long enough to educate someone at the game. Again, it depends. Some people make a good impression regardless of if they're arseholes or not.
Str0b0
Well being a competent player with not a lot of time to play I would take the more experienced players and just put up with their jackassery because it will be less frustrating than wiping in a mission three times and wasting my limited amount of play time on incompetence.
Dr Strangelove
Both. Generally the people with bad builds are also the idiots who refuse to change their leetsauce riposte necro build for anyone.
gloria vander belt
to be honest, I'd rather deal with neither and have a team of heros, but im stuck with heros and henchies...so i just get my guild leader to help me if i ever really need it!!!
but answer to ur question....The A-Holes cus there just like me(but i dont abuse ppl i just leave)
but answer to ur question....The A-Holes cus there just like me(but i dont abuse ppl i just leave)
samcobra
Aptitude, because if I wanted people who suck, I could just take heroes and they have absolutely no attitude!
I'm fine with people who have undesirable attitudes if they are good enough to warrant it. What burns me is the noobs who think they are hot shit when they are truly trash.
I'm fine with people who have undesirable attitudes if they are good enough to warrant it. What burns me is the noobs who think they are hot shit when they are truly trash.
TheRaven
I'd much rather have the polite noobs. However in my experience there are 3 types of players out there.
1. Polite noobs
2. Rude noobs
3. Capable players
The arrogant "OMG UR SOOO STOOPID!!!" jerks are noobs too. I haven't met one yet that was truly a good player. They spend all their energy griping and none fighting.
I want a pug made up of people whose goals are the same as mine. This can sometimes be difficult to find. Yesterday I joined a "clearing fow" pug. The leader was advertising in local chat for Nukers and monks to clear fow. I joined and a monk joined. The monk immediately asked if we were doing the forge. We said we were clearing as advertised. He said he only wanted armor. We kicked him. This is someone who probably would have left as soon as he got armor.
I don't mind coaching a new player on their build. If someone pings a horrible build I'll try to make suggestions on improvement rather than kicking. If they throw up a "this build is good, shut up!" attitude they get kicked.
One of the worst noobs I ran into was in RA. (They're all in RA come to think of it). I went in with my warrior, Scarlet Raven. One of my teammates died immediately and I used my Rez sig to bring them back. Another warrior died soon after and he started the usual "rez me NOW!!!!!" garbage. He starting cussing me out in particular because I continued to fight near his corpse instead of stopping to rez him. He continued cussing me out in local chat and telling the other team that they only won because "Scarlet is a stupid noob who can't rez". He just couldn't understand the concept that I was a warrior, not a monk and rez sigs are 1 use only. He continued blasting me in local chat once we returned to the lobby.
On the arrogant but competent side, I did the fow once with a team of ignorant teens once. They were decent players but they spent the entire trip complaining and cussing their parents. The whole time it was garbarge like "my dad is a F*** a-hole. I wish he'd just shoot himself." These kids had serious attitude issues and were no fun to be around. I was glad when the trip was over. Afterwards they said I was a good player and they would add me to their friends list for future trips. I replied, "please don't".
1. Polite noobs
2. Rude noobs
3. Capable players
The arrogant "OMG UR SOOO STOOPID!!!" jerks are noobs too. I haven't met one yet that was truly a good player. They spend all their energy griping and none fighting.
I want a pug made up of people whose goals are the same as mine. This can sometimes be difficult to find. Yesterday I joined a "clearing fow" pug. The leader was advertising in local chat for Nukers and monks to clear fow. I joined and a monk joined. The monk immediately asked if we were doing the forge. We said we were clearing as advertised. He said he only wanted armor. We kicked him. This is someone who probably would have left as soon as he got armor.
I don't mind coaching a new player on their build. If someone pings a horrible build I'll try to make suggestions on improvement rather than kicking. If they throw up a "this build is good, shut up!" attitude they get kicked.
One of the worst noobs I ran into was in RA. (They're all in RA come to think of it). I went in with my warrior, Scarlet Raven. One of my teammates died immediately and I used my Rez sig to bring them back. Another warrior died soon after and he started the usual "rez me NOW!!!!!" garbage. He starting cussing me out in particular because I continued to fight near his corpse instead of stopping to rez him. He continued cussing me out in local chat and telling the other team that they only won because "Scarlet is a stupid noob who can't rez". He just couldn't understand the concept that I was a warrior, not a monk and rez sigs are 1 use only. He continued blasting me in local chat once we returned to the lobby.
On the arrogant but competent side, I did the fow once with a team of ignorant teens once. They were decent players but they spent the entire trip complaining and cussing their parents. The whole time it was garbarge like "my dad is a F*** a-hole. I wish he'd just shoot himself." These kids had serious attitude issues and were no fun to be around. I was glad when the trip was over. Afterwards they said I was a good player and they would add me to their friends list for future trips. I replied, "please don't".
pumpkin pie
I go for the experience and courteous, believe me there are lots of them in the game. beside, I've yet to come across experienced players that are hostile, mostly its the non-experience who think they are experienced that are hostile. at least in my observation PING PING PING (i'm attacking so and so, while the rest of the team are on one side fighting, and you see their health bars goes to zero, lol then comes the hostility, you all idiots! don't know how to work together... 
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PS: most interesting observations are warriors who over shot their distance from the monk and when they gets kill, (you are busy killing stuffs, and you notice this players, dashing for the other direction and you knew, he's going to die, and you wait for the drama, lol, human behaviours, pretty funny creatures we are) will most definitely blame the monks. Poor monks! while they are tending to the other 6 players, this one person on the other side of the map expect the monk to run to their rescue... if not, comes the one single vocabulary insult, you idiot! where's the healing....
)PS: most interesting observations are warriors who over shot their distance from the monk and when they gets kill, (you are busy killing stuffs, and you notice this players, dashing for the other direction and you knew, he's going to die, and you wait for the drama, lol, human behaviours, pretty funny creatures we are) will most definitely blame the monks. Poor monks! while they are tending to the other 6 players, this one person on the other side of the map expect the monk to run to their rescue... if not, comes the one single vocabulary insult, you idiot! where's the healing....
Bryant Again
I don't care how good you are or how high you're rank is. If you're being a douché, I'm not going to bother with you.
If I had to pick one over the other, I'd go with the polite newbie. But I'd prefer a polite, careful and listening newbie over anything that's not a hero or my girlfriend.
If I had to pick one over the other, I'd go with the polite newbie. But I'd prefer a polite, careful and listening newbie over anything that's not a hero or my girlfriend.
gloria vander belt
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Aptitude, because if I wanted people who suck, I could just take heroes and they have absolutely no attitude!
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Toutatis
Personally, I look for the right attitude if I'm going into a PUG situation. To be successful, a group has to be able to work as a team; and if the right attitude isn't there, no amount of aptitude will prevent the team from falling apart halfway through.
gloria vander belt
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I go for the experience and courteous, believe me there are lots of them in the game. beside, I've yet to come across experienced players that are hostile, mostly its the non-experience who think they are experienced that are hostile. at least in my observation PING PING PING (i'm attacking so and so, while the rest of the team are on one side fighting, and you see their health bars goes to zero, lol then comes the hostility, you all idiots! don't know how to work together...
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wich is the reason why i take heros, if i see that monk they attack with me, oh and the better thing about heros and henchies is they rez quicker then the 'EXPERIENCED PLAYERS' and 'THE NOOBS'...so if u want experienced players take heros and 1 pug u know is good, like me and my guild leader and our heros.
Incompitent players frustrate us, Experienced a-hole players make us hate the game...so simple fact is take heros and henchies with good builds
pumpkin pie
gloria vander belt ROFL ROFL!!
I also prefer my heroes, but there are places you can't go with them. like the costume brawl.... you meet all kinds there.
I also prefer my heroes, but there are places you can't go with them. like the costume brawl.... you meet all kinds there.
YunSooJin
definitely aptitude.
If they're good, and you're good, there's no whining or moaning involved... duh.
Unless you're looking at people who are just in to grief for some odd reason, at which point you can reason they're emulating bad aptitude.
If they're good, and you're good, there's no whining or moaning involved... duh.
Unless you're looking at people who are just in to grief for some odd reason, at which point you can reason they're emulating bad aptitude.
Aera Lure
Depends:
There's times I am joining PUGs simply because I want to have some fun and am getting bored of dragging efficient, capable and predictable H/H around with me as I do things when no one among my normal play group is on. In these times I dont really mind the outcome. I just want to play, help random strangers and have some fun. Certainly attitude is what its all about here.
There's other times, albeit quite a bit less frequent, when no one is on and I might be having some trouble with H/H in a certain HM area. Here obviously I'd be seeking aptitude, but I am far more likely to simply wait for a friend or guildie and do something else in the meantime.
I suppose that means I usually seek attitude>aptitude among strangers, unless I am really seeking something to be completed in a PUG (pretty rare for me these days). I'm lucky to have been in guilds though where members were (or are) both really friendly and wonderful to play with as well as very capable.
There's times I am joining PUGs simply because I want to have some fun and am getting bored of dragging efficient, capable and predictable H/H around with me as I do things when no one among my normal play group is on. In these times I dont really mind the outcome. I just want to play, help random strangers and have some fun. Certainly attitude is what its all about here.
There's other times, albeit quite a bit less frequent, when no one is on and I might be having some trouble with H/H in a certain HM area. Here obviously I'd be seeking aptitude, but I am far more likely to simply wait for a friend or guildie and do something else in the meantime.
I suppose that means I usually seek attitude>aptitude among strangers, unless I am really seeking something to be completed in a PUG (pretty rare for me these days). I'm lucky to have been in guilds though where members were (or are) both really friendly and wonderful to play with as well as very capable.
leprekan
Golden rule ... anyone or any group calling itself "pro" is best avoided. Had an all "pro" group in gloom once ... took 2 hours instead of 35 minutes. Problem was everyone DID know how to do it but did it a little different than everyone else. Then the pro attitudes kicked in.
I will take heroes or a polite noob over a "pro".
I will take heroes or a polite noob over a "pro".
gloria vander belt
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gloria vander belt ROFL ROFL!!
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its real PvE thats annoying when u get the types mentioned above
De Wilde
I prefer attitude - have been doing the finial missions for endgame NF - and the last PUG I was in, was amazingly awesome and we were all having a good time, even when we were getting killed we were chuckling, or when we actually beating backside.
OR.. When we lost Kormir... Still dunno how we lost her.
Had to go back out and get her and we kept going "Okay who has Kormir?" "she's with me" "oh now she's with so and so" "Quick everyone but blah blah die so she can follow them!" And we were chuckling the entire time.
It worked out and it was a great time. One of my best expierences with a PuG, they had aptitude as well, but it was more attitude than anything. Plus here's the kicker, everyone was willing to take critique and advice on their builds.
So definitely attitude is everything for me.
OR.. When we lost Kormir... Still dunno how we lost her.
Had to go back out and get her and we kept going "Okay who has Kormir?" "she's with me" "oh now she's with so and so" "Quick everyone but blah blah die so she can follow them!" And we were chuckling the entire time.
It worked out and it was a great time. One of my best expierences with a PuG, they had aptitude as well, but it was more attitude than anything. Plus here's the kicker, everyone was willing to take critique and advice on their builds.
So definitely attitude is everything for me.
Snow Bunny
I'll take a brilliant, competent asshole over a polite idiot anyday.
You can't always teach idiot to be good, but the jerk won't need to be taught.
/notkidding
If they're bad...well then...I simply won't team with them anyways.
You can't always teach idiot to be good, but the jerk won't need to be taught.
/notkidding
If they're bad...well then...I simply won't team with them anyways.
Diddy bow
Id say the polite nubs. I mean the only reason id ever pug was for fun (HH can handel anything nowdays) and stuck up ass wipes arnt really fun to play with :/.
As for pvp, newbs cant really get very far, but im not a serious pvp'er anyhow so id go with either choice, both are fun ^^.
As for pvp, newbs cant really get very far, but im not a serious pvp'er anyhow so id go with either choice, both are fun ^^.
Darkobra
Definitely friendlier. I dragged a level 4 through the Maguuma Jungle just because she politely asked for help and used proper spelling. If I'm looking for a good team, I'd take heroes/hench. At least they're good AND silent. They'll attack the monks on command rather than staring at you like a fish out of water.
Simath
I'll take the trash talking jerk who knows his role over the incompetent scrub any day.
cosyfiep
polite wins for me....people who are rude usually wont listen either since they think THEY are always right (and 4 times out of 10 they are).....I've been in way too many rude pugs with those aholes to avoid them, dont care if they can do the mission in x time, I dont appreciate the attitude or the comments (and if they are taking the time to make those comments they probably arent doing much killing either!)
At least the noobs may learn something! (and I will get to roll on the floor laughing for the next hour!)
At least the noobs may learn something! (and I will get to roll on the floor laughing for the next hour!)
Healers Wisper
Personally I like the 7 Charactors that rarely say anything, you can kick and pick up as you want, and usually do pretty well.
As for real players, I try but I get fed up with missions taking 3 times as long and then everyone else getting blamed because the party didnt work together well.
I do play with people in my alliance who are on vent, people seem to be more polite when you can hear the others voice.
As for real players, I try but I get fed up with missions taking 3 times as long and then everyone else getting blamed because the party didnt work together well.
I do play with people in my alliance who are on vent, people seem to be more polite when you can hear the others voice.
wilebill
Attitude is more important. This is just a game, after all.
SotiCoto
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polite wins for me....people who are rude usually wont listen either since they think THEY are always right (and 4 times out of 10 they are).....I've been in way too many rude pugs with those aholes to avoid them, dont care if they can do the mission in x time, I dont appreciate the attitude or the comments (and if they are taking the time to make those comments they probably arent doing much killing either!)
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And I totally agree.... even the friendly newbs can be roffletastic sometimes. Turns out a new member got drafted into my little Guild yesterday... and didn't seem TOO bad though a little slow on the uptake, and for some unfathomable reason had a MAJOR issue with Avicara (the swearing on the Guild channel was quite amusing).
Me and ... admittedly the only other guildie besides the new one.... helped him get a Dire Black Widow in the Underworld.... for his Elementalist.