Update: 13 Nov. 07

Pfft... they already did nerf TS. It used to last like 12 seconds w/o any points in strength.
And umm if you don't understand the reason to create a sin instead of a warrior, then you don't even understand the difference between spiking and pressure, so you shouldn't be suggesting balances.

*cough* Ursan Blessing *cough*... well, actually that would cause people to complain more about skills being nerfed in PvE >_>

example:
*nerf ursan*
"WHERE IS OUR GOD MODE?! /rage quit GW"
"we felt it was an unbalanced skill"
*explosives purchased*

They will do this anyway so they might as well nerf all skills now or better yet remove professions all together and save themselfs the time.

Umm, did you miss the part where its a dual ATTACK? If it was just for knockdown, it wouldn't be an attack skill let alone a dual attack...

Uped the damage......hehehehehe you think that 4 - 6 point increase is showing in damage. I just did a tomb run and saw absolutely NO difference in damage with my barrage.

i like this update

resonable, you should sacrifice some damage if you want to knock down your enemy

this nerf hurt this skill,but its ok, i still believe mesmer is a anti-caster class, nerf her anti -melee skill is acceptable......

its still a good skill, right?

fix it finally

barrage is a little bit overpower, but who care , people use it in pve

magebane shot worth to be equipped now

resonable

Heh, splinter B/P teams got hit pretty hard within a couple of days. You would think they would go after the Bearway if they wanted to nerf one specific team build.

4 point difference per arrow = ~+20 per hit with barrage... with a typical B/P team of 5 rangers... what that's like +6000 damage on the entire run?

If you don't want a knockdown then use anther dual attack with more damage output.

Please people

You have Pve only skills.

That should be enough to stop your QQing alone.

I am not one to usually argue skill balances. I am usually in the "I'll adapt" camp. But this time, I feel compelled to speak up. I am not going to get into a bun fight, I'm not going to QQ. I only hope my discussion will be seen by who matters on the Dev team, but it's unlikely, considering the flame bait crap that's going on (and usually goes on, which drives the devs away).

Anyway, here is my discussion on why I disagree with "Pet's not leaving an exploitable corpse":

My guild is a purely PvE guild. We use Tombs as a "no-brainer" social outing - a bit of group farming, that we don't have to try hard at, and have a few laughs while doing. The fun was more in being together.

Taking away an essential component has changed this reliable social outing. I'm sure there'll be the sarcastic of you out there who will say "So get over it and adapt". I'm sure we will find a way to adapt, but it will require testing, a bit of concentration.

But sometimes...sometimes...you don't HAVE to change something for the sake of change. We LIKED the comfort of B/P Tombs. We can find challenges elsewhere.

It is a PvP nerf that has a huge direct result on PvE. I'm usually in neither camp with the argument, but with this one...I ask Arena Net...PLEASE change this one back.

Oh btw, +20 per hit times five assuming they all hit 6 targets at once means only 60 volleys are thrown. I'm pretty sure the single target attacks were taken into account. Even then, it'd be higher than +6000 total.

I don't mean to point you out man, my argument was merely that the nerf to an already conditional knockdown interms of the unconditional damage makes little sense. And it already had less damage than say Death Blossom. Perhaps a better choice would be tieing it to Critical Strikes to make it strong with proper investment away from the usually maxed Dagger Mastery. Again though, this is not a flame at you or anyone, just a suggestion really.

Except they can't really spike very well with these changes now can they?

1 - Those are heavily grind-dependent, something that should not be the case in Guild Wars.

2 - We shouldn't have to abandon actual class skills because the PvP Minority abuses them.

3 - It's the principle of the thing; skill balance should be based on the PvE Majority, not the PvP Minority.

HotO + Shadow Prison was NOT a conditional knockdown. If your shadowstepping (cough PRISONING cough) to someone sitting next to one of thier allies, you're doing it wrong.

Edit: And if you're using it without Shadow Prison, Izzy forbid, you should be able to wait for half a second and/or switch targets to someone who isn't.

I don't do B/P or use my pet for this but I have to ask,

Who are you to say what pets are and are not supposed to be used for ??

Krat

Listen up, people. Apparently you don't understand the major difference between the two games.

In PvP, everything is meant to be even so that skill decides who wins.

In PvE, the player is meant to win. No part of the game is designed where the monsters and players are meant to have a fair fight. No part of the game was designed without the fact that players would finish it in mind. This is evident by the rewards for completing a zone, and farming.

PvE player-enemy power ratios are not balanced. They were never meant to be balanced because the player is always supposed to win. Therefore, there is no reason for PvE to be a focal point for major balance changes because there isn't anything to balance around.

The only exception is when abuse of one skill completely warps the use of other skills, which goes against the ideology of Guild Wars (Prot bond, hopefully PvE skills, etc).

Now stop talking about PvE balance like it matters.

what's the deal with pets, that's retarded.

AND PLZ MAKE LOD GOOD AGAIN !

I am the player who is to say exactly the same message ArenaNet is putting across. The same ArenaNet who just happens to own the game.