I made a new mesma last week and its about half way through factions already. Now I realise that low-end areas are empty anyway, because everyones either in GWEN or elite zones these days, but ive noticed something I hadnt before.
In a week of paying a mesma, I have see only one other mesma aside from myself! Just one!
I've seen plenty of warriors, elementals, monks, Rangers, Ritualists, Dervs and even loads of Assassins! But only one other mesma.
If you check the price on mesma runes, they are all at base price of 100g. A sure sign that no one is buying mesma runes. What is unapealing about being a mesma?
I've not had issues getting into teams and I personally feel i've been quite effective with my newbie build and limited skills. So why so few/none at all?
Why are there virtually no mesmers ingame?
freekedoutfish
Channel_V93
Mesmer is a PvP class that's all.
arcanemacabre
OMG no wai!
You just now noticed this? I'm sorry. Pretty much how it is in PvE.
You just now noticed this? I'm sorry. Pretty much how it is in PvE.
I D E L E T E D I
Its mesmer NOT mesma
Vl Vl D
I see alot of pve mesmers especially in my guild where they have all mesmer teams to elite areas, but most pve mesmers from outside our guild Ive seen are in pvp zones.Besides my wamo my mesmer is my second most played charr and I thinks its becasue I know how annoying they can be to my wamo ><
Severlator
Some classes seem to be played far more than others anyway, it's the same with most games such as wow that feels more like world full of hunters sometimes.
CHunterX
E-Denial doesn't appear to affect monsters. And by the time you "shutdown" a mob, your team would have already steamrolled over it. The skills Mesmers can throw at a single target isn't as useful as say, blowing the shit out of them with Meteor Shower. I still take a Mesmer Hero, but I would be cautious to take a Human Mesmer, just because AI reaction time is so much better than Humans.
Div
Because it's really not as much fun playing a class that can't do massive damage in PvE. A lot of people who made mesmers either neglect them or delete them.
Sab
I saw a Mesma last week. His secondary was Worriar.
pamelf
I've still got a Mesmer. She was my first character. I love her to bits, but they're really only fun to play in areas where you actually have time for you skills to have some effect. 
Esan
There's lots of miasma in Zen Daijun.
phoo slaya
Me spells are usually really good, against 1 person, there is no real rapid damage on multiple targets. pve isn't challenging enough to need a Me. considering bosses shead hexes so fast, Me's arent even that good when trying to take down a tough boss like rotscale.
Gregslot
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Its mesmer NOT mesma
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Its just what people like to play.
The players character differs from its own personality.
Most people wants to see big ammounts of damage popping on the screen.
Its not everyone that likes the idea of "neutralizing" the opponent or using backfire, shatter hex or degen (specially the degen, because it doesnt show any concrete number).
Get used to the idea of allways beeing The Mesmer on your group, at least you know you are unique =]
And no, mesmer inst a pvp class, this comment was obviously retarded and should be ignored (sry if i offended).
Washi
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There's lots of miasma in Zen Daijun.
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seriously though, its hard to be a good mesmer, people prefer to c-space everything.
If you wanna see some mesmers try RA, lots of them there.
blurmedia
idk what a mesma is
Etta
There was a secret nerf that removed all mesmers, sorry mesmas from the game. Next stop paragons.
upier
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Because it's really not as much fun playing a class that can't do massive damage in PvE. A lot of people who made mesmers either neglect them or delete them.
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It's absolutely fun playing a non-damage class in PvE.
It's just that the mesmer skills have such insane effects that demand that the poor soul that they are used on LIVES long enough to suffer.
And that doesn't happen in PvE.
Everything just dies way to fast to actually feel the satisfaction that shutdown brings. And then all one is stuck with are the long recharges and that occasional interrupted or diverted skill.
Thus one is unable to play the mesmer at it's strongest.
On-topic - I keep running into mesmers.
Although I probably keep running into warriors too - I just don't notice them.
That might be the issue at hand.
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And no, mesmer inst a pvp class, this comment was obviously retarded and should be ignored (sry if i offended).
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You're just wrong.
Saraphim
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Melkorium
Well, my first character was a mesmer and I've stuck with him for over 2 years now. He's brill (I've got 9 other characters in PvE 1 for each of the other professions) when GW:EN came out I decided to make my mesmer my main character and focus on him for getting monuments.
Not getting into groups can be frustrating but my guild helps out and so long as Ursan remains unnerfed it's given me a chance to explore DoA and such.
The best thing about being a mesmer is that when you do spot another mesmer it's normally quite easy to strike up a conversation, and they usually turn out to be lovely people.
Not getting into groups can be frustrating but my guild helps out and so long as Ursan remains unnerfed it's given me a chance to explore DoA and such.
The best thing about being a mesmer is that when you do spot another mesmer it's normally quite easy to strike up a conversation, and they usually turn out to be lovely people.
moko
Mesma/munk Rulz Pve
Cebe
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Because it's really not as much fun playing a class that can't do massive damage in PvE.
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Then there are the things you can see visually on screen. If you're playing in a PuG with a Mesmer it's not obvious what they're adding to the team, since you can't see them hacking at the enemy, or blowing stuff up like an Ele, or creating minions or spirits. They're just stood at the back sneakily interrupting key spells and silently punishing enemies with hexes. You notice if an enemy manages to cast Firestorm on you and your team is stood in it, but if a Mesmer interrupts it, you never see it, and never realise how much damage the Mesmer potentially negated by doing so. It's almost as though the better Mesmers are less noticed.
That being said, I played through all 3 campaigns and Eye of the North with my Mesmer. Some great times were had and didn't find it vastly difficult to get into a group when I did decide to PuG. Just luck I guess.
VinnyRidira
I have a mesmer that has done all three campaigns. I much prefer playing my necro, ele and ritualist. I played a mesmer in a 8 mesmer group as a ritualist. It is an awesome secondary for a mesmer. Either as a channeler or a restorer. I played one of the healers for the group. Flesh of my Flesh is an awesome resurrect spell. The death pact signet is also pretty good.
FalconDance
True there aren't many mesmers in PvE but only because most people either don't understand or can't be bothered learning how to play the profession!
My first mesmer (back in the day) henched it to the Crystal Desert because she could NOT get into a party. Sadly, I didn't have enough knowledge to get her through Ascension successfully. Her 'sister', however, in the past year + has now gone through Prophecies, damned near all of Cantha and a goodly part of Elona - and is at endgame GWEN.
Heck, if nothing else, a mesmer should be in every party just to bring up the fashion status
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My first mesmer (back in the day) henched it to the Crystal Desert because she could NOT get into a party. Sadly, I didn't have enough knowledge to get her through Ascension successfully. Her 'sister', however, in the past year + has now gone through Prophecies, damned near all of Cantha and a goodly part of Elona - and is at endgame GWEN.
Heck, if nothing else, a mesmer should be in every party just to bring up the fashion status
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Avarre
I wrote a wall of text explaining this some time ago. Most of it is still relevant.
The whole 'invisible effects' argument is nonsense to me. The best ele offense, for example, is Mind Blast/Rodgort's, neither of which have gigantic animations. The whole point is a cliche people clung onto back when echo meteor shower and firestorms were the way to go and has long since been entirely irrelevant. How visible is a Paragon, the best PvE class in the game? This argument often goes hand in hand with 'if you were experienced you would know how powerful they are', which is also void (and seems to be 'fashionable' to claim) - a seriously experienced player will understand Mesmers serve no solid role and any player who is good at the game would do better on a class more suited to PvE.
A better reason would be that a Mesmer serves no effective primary role in the process of succeeding at PvE. The specific role a Mesmer plays is not related to PvE for the most part due to the structure of gameplay (outlined in my essay). The use of a Mesmer, therefore, falls into emulating other classes, such as dealing damage or interrupting, while remaining inferior to a class with this as their primary role (eles and rangers respectively).
Claiming Mesmers are good because they succeed is not a valid argument. That is like saying using 3 people to clear FoW is good. Yes, it works. No, it is not as effective as having 8 people. In PvE, succeeding and being good at PvE are immensely different.
In summary, you don't see them because they're bad.
The whole 'invisible effects' argument is nonsense to me. The best ele offense, for example, is Mind Blast/Rodgort's, neither of which have gigantic animations. The whole point is a cliche people clung onto back when echo meteor shower and firestorms were the way to go and has long since been entirely irrelevant. How visible is a Paragon, the best PvE class in the game? This argument often goes hand in hand with 'if you were experienced you would know how powerful they are', which is also void (and seems to be 'fashionable' to claim) - a seriously experienced player will understand Mesmers serve no solid role and any player who is good at the game would do better on a class more suited to PvE.
A better reason would be that a Mesmer serves no effective primary role in the process of succeeding at PvE. The specific role a Mesmer plays is not related to PvE for the most part due to the structure of gameplay (outlined in my essay). The use of a Mesmer, therefore, falls into emulating other classes, such as dealing damage or interrupting, while remaining inferior to a class with this as their primary role (eles and rangers respectively).
Claiming Mesmers are good because they succeed is not a valid argument. That is like saying using 3 people to clear FoW is good. Yes, it works. No, it is not as effective as having 8 people. In PvE, succeeding and being good at PvE are immensely different.
In summary, you don't see them because they're bad.
Saphatorael
I've seen plenty of mesma's in PvE... there's like, the Stone Summit Drawfs... and Erys Vasburg might be the second best (after Gwen ofc) Mesma in the game, especially since he's Kuzack and stuff.
upier
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Because it sometimes seems that A.Net thinks we REALLY think that way.
Faer
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I saw a Mesma last week. His secondary was Worriar.
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The Sender
The Mesmer is a species rarely seen outside of PvP. There have been very few reports of Mesmer sightings in the wild. Some still believe that a Mesmer in PvE, much like Bigfoot, simply does not exist. Creatures such as the Warriors, Elementalists, Assassins and even Monks are commonly sighted in PvE and are in great abundance. Unlike the Mesmer, they exist in phenomenal numbers and are commonly seen feeding on the wide range of monsters that occur in PvE.
Some claim that these professions hunt monsters with greater efficiency than the Mesmer, thus leaving nothing for the Mesmer to feed on. Another theory is that there are plenty of other Warrior/Assassin/Monk etc. for the Warrior/Assassin/Monk etc. in PvE to mate with, thus, the population of these aforementioned professions is booming.
As a result, Mesmers commonly thrive in PvP, where there will always be a plentiful supply of prey for them to feed on. The PMFoT (Profession Management Federation of Tyria) is considering labelling the Mesmer an endangered species in PvE and moving them into captivity in order to prevent extinction.
Here is a rare photo of a PvE Mesmer, taken in November 2006.
If anybody has any information on PvE Mesmers please contact me at 1-800-SAVE-THE-MESMERS.
Some claim that these professions hunt monsters with greater efficiency than the Mesmer, thus leaving nothing for the Mesmer to feed on. Another theory is that there are plenty of other Warrior/Assassin/Monk etc. for the Warrior/Assassin/Monk etc. in PvE to mate with, thus, the population of these aforementioned professions is booming.
As a result, Mesmers commonly thrive in PvP, where there will always be a plentiful supply of prey for them to feed on. The PMFoT (Profession Management Federation of Tyria) is considering labelling the Mesmer an endangered species in PvE and moving them into captivity in order to prevent extinction.
Here is a rare photo of a PvE Mesmer, taken in November 2006.
If anybody has any information on PvE Mesmers please contact me at 1-800-SAVE-THE-MESMERS.
Dreikki
My old main was a mesmer.
I created a monk after I noticed it's impossible to get a group was a mesmer.
After playing a bit as a SF ele I don't wonder why.
I created a monk after I noticed it's impossible to get a group was a mesmer.
After playing a bit as a SF ele I don't wonder why.
Yarghetaus
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Here is a rare photo of a PvE Mesmer, taken in November 2006.
If anybody has any information on PvE Mesmers please contact me at 1-800-SAVE-THE-MESMERS. |
Anyway, from my little-experienced narrow-minded point of view, the choice is simple and depends on whatever is needed:
Interruption: then, with absolutely no remorse, I take an Hero. Human players won't ever be as fast as AI at interrupting.
Hex: then I'll take a human player. I PUG'd 2 days ago with a Mesmer player to do Boogrot Growths and it was both funny and effective (probably because of the coupling with my curse hero).
Just my 2 cents.
Toutatis
Mesmers are rare because their particular skills are based around denial, disruption, misdirection and subversion. These concepts are not easy for the average mind to grasp (especially with the "kill kill kill" mentality that dominates PvE) and it takes a lot of time and effort to learn how to use these abilities to any effect.
That being said, there are a fair number of intrepid souls who don't shy away from the challenge of playing as a mesmer, myself included. My mesmer is my oldest, and most favoured, character; I'm a bit of a sly person IRL (no, I'm not ashamed of that) and I feel that's helped me get to grips with the mesmer's particular collection of skills more naturally.
The mesmer does have its place in PvE and they can be a great asset to a party, although the profession isn't really designed to take on all of the specific challenges that PvE has to offer; fights tend to be over before the mesmer's most powerful abilities have had much of a chance to really get to work. Half of mesmerisation is a waiting game, and PvE offers little or no chances to wait for the right moment. All this changes in the PvP arenas, where extended pressure becomes more important than a flat-out killfest and there is more time to choose the right moment.
That being said, there are a fair number of intrepid souls who don't shy away from the challenge of playing as a mesmer, myself included. My mesmer is my oldest, and most favoured, character; I'm a bit of a sly person IRL (no, I'm not ashamed of that) and I feel that's helped me get to grips with the mesmer's particular collection of skills more naturally.
The mesmer does have its place in PvE and they can be a great asset to a party, although the profession isn't really designed to take on all of the specific challenges that PvE has to offer; fights tend to be over before the mesmer's most powerful abilities have had much of a chance to really get to work. Half of mesmerisation is a waiting game, and PvE offers little or no chances to wait for the right moment. All this changes in the PvP arenas, where extended pressure becomes more important than a flat-out killfest and there is more time to choose the right moment.
gerg-nad
I have a mesmer and completed Prophecies with it, but lost interest through Factions. The primary problem with Mesmers are
1. There Primary Attribute, Fast Casting, has little effect on the PvE game
2. Recharge times on most of there skills are too long
The class plays best as a secondary as you do not loose much without fast casting. There are some very good skills in Mesmer, Arcane Echo, Echo, etc., but as a primary class I see little advantage with Fast Casting attribute. If it decrease the recharge time, now there would be a reason to have a Primary Mesmer.
I think mesmers could be a great interupter and denial, but unfortunately you have to augment their skills bar a lot to shorten the recharge times. Once you have done that they can help in heavy foe caster areas, but like someone else said a hero may do better then most humans. Anet makes you use the mesmer GWEN to do the Burning Forest (EotN), which does help, because it is a heavy foe casting area.
1. There Primary Attribute, Fast Casting, has little effect on the PvE game
2. Recharge times on most of there skills are too long
The class plays best as a secondary as you do not loose much without fast casting. There are some very good skills in Mesmer, Arcane Echo, Echo, etc., but as a primary class I see little advantage with Fast Casting attribute. If it decrease the recharge time, now there would be a reason to have a Primary Mesmer.
I think mesmers could be a great interupter and denial, but unfortunately you have to augment their skills bar a lot to shorten the recharge times. Once you have done that they can help in heavy foe caster areas, but like someone else said a hero may do better then most humans. Anet makes you use the mesmer GWEN to do the Burning Forest (EotN), which does help, because it is a heavy foe casting area.
Cobalt
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A better reason would be that a Mesmer serves no effective primary role in the process of succeeding at PvE. The specific role a Mesmer plays is not related to PvE for the most part due to the structure of gameplay (outlined in my essay). The use of a Mesmer, therefore, falls into emulating other classes, such as dealing damage or interrupting, while remaining inferior to a class with this as their primary role (eles and rangers respectively).
Claiming Mesmers are good because they succeed is not a valid argument. That is like saying using 3 people to clear FoW is good. Yes, it works. No, it is not as effective as having 8 people. In PvE, succeeding and being good at PvE are immensely different. In summary, you don't see them because they're bad. |
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There was a secret nerf that removed all mesmers, sorry mesmas from the game. Next stop paragons.
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Rushin Roulette
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Nope, she was probably a Nron... but mildly interrested in Glod though.
Yanman.be
I have a level 14 perma Shing Jea character.
Esan
A mesmer signet build with smiting signets and Holy Wrath can make the so-called difficult Elonan areas, Joko's Domain and Poisoned Outcrops, very doable. They are the only areas in the entire game that really tested my resolve to h/h Legendary Vanquisher.
Two-three Wastrel's Worry mesmers reduce Kuunavang to a triviality in HM.
A Psychic Distraction mesmer hero can completely shut down the really really bad bosses (Wavecrest Stonebeak, Podaltur the Angry, Bohdalz the Furious), making their respective areas trivial to vanquish with h/h.
These are about the only places I'd bring a mesmer in PvE.
Two-three Wastrel's Worry mesmers reduce Kuunavang to a triviality in HM.
A Psychic Distraction mesmer hero can completely shut down the really really bad bosses (Wavecrest Stonebeak, Podaltur the Angry, Bohdalz the Furious), making their respective areas trivial to vanquish with h/h.
These are about the only places I'd bring a mesmer in PvE.
Antheus
The only classes I bring into HM are necros and mesmers. Your milage may vary.
Tarkin
Godly support for SF, cond spread rangers, warriors, dervishs...
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Sadly heros dont use Fevered Dreams... i put fevered dreams in heros... and they rarely use it...
Any regular team with a mesmer with this build will speed up damage an avoid damage from casters...
P.S. interupter is ranger job...
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Sadly heros dont use Fevered Dreams... i put fevered dreams in heros... and they rarely use it...
Any regular team with a mesmer with this build will speed up damage an avoid damage from casters...
P.S. interupter is ranger job...
Mordakai
Mesmers are not "bad" in PvE. Like any class, they serve their purpose.
I read Avarre's "wall of text" ( http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10129170 ), and I agree that Mesmers are not the best class at doing AoE damage. BUT, they are probably the BEST class at shutting down bosses. Empathy in hard mode isn't bad either, and all Mesmer damage is armor-ignoring.
But, there are always two main types of players: the hard core number crunchers who will tell you that Mesmers suck for DPS, and the players that say, "yeah, but she has sexy armor." Part of PvE is making up characters that are fun, not just the "best combo".
I enjoy giving my Mesmer a IW Scythe and wreaking havok on groups of monsters. Is the most effective build? Probably not. But it's fun for me, and in the end, that's all that really matters, especially in PvE.
EDIT: After more reflection, I wonder if the lack of new decent skills for the Mesmer is a sign of her demise...
I, for one, hope not. The Mesmer is a great class concept that could use some tweaks in GW2, but doesn't deserve to go.
I read Avarre's "wall of text" ( http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10129170 ), and I agree that Mesmers are not the best class at doing AoE damage. BUT, they are probably the BEST class at shutting down bosses. Empathy in hard mode isn't bad either, and all Mesmer damage is armor-ignoring.
But, there are always two main types of players: the hard core number crunchers who will tell you that Mesmers suck for DPS, and the players that say, "yeah, but she has sexy armor." Part of PvE is making up characters that are fun, not just the "best combo".
I enjoy giving my Mesmer a IW Scythe and wreaking havok on groups of monsters. Is the most effective build? Probably not. But it's fun for me, and in the end, that's all that really matters, especially in PvE.
EDIT: After more reflection, I wonder if the lack of new decent skills for the Mesmer is a sign of her demise...
I, for one, hope not. The Mesmer is a great class concept that could use some tweaks in GW2, but doesn't deserve to go.