Ursanway ... vanquish PUG annoyance?

I say that people should be able to play the game how they want to.
Personally I don't play UB because I don't even own Gwen. But I can see that it opens op oppertunities for people to still join Elite Missions / Vanquish etc.
Sure balanced team plays better, and is more diverse. But if you don't have for instance an E,Ne,Mo or W and sometimes R your pretty much screwed.
And people this is PVE, not an inbalanced skill that ruins gvg or ha.

With all the lootscaling, and other Nerfs. I'm glad there's still a way for people to do fun stuff in PVE.

Haha, this again. Talk about beating a dead horse. Look man, the only thing your "elite" titles said about you were that you were fairly into the game. Coming here complaining about how people who got Vanquisher in UB groups makes your Vanquisher title lose credibilty just says you are a little bit too into the game, i.e. you're taking it and yourself in it way too seriously.

No one outside your circle of friends really cares about your titles, or how you got them. If your friends think you are lying when you say that you didn't use UB to get it, eh, I'm sorry your friends don't trust you. What does it matter what Joe Snuffy thinks in regards to how you got your title in Guild Wars PvE edition. This stuff really cracks me up, I really can't help but laugh out loud when I see threads like these. First it needed nerfing because it turned "elite" areas into playgrounds for scrubs, then it's ruining the economy, now it's making other peoples' pve titles less "credible", lmao. Come on, stop the madness. Also, to say your pve title is losing credibility because other people got it in a manner different than yours says all we need to know about your ego.


People in my guild were arguing about something somewhat similar this week. The argument was about using text mod to make getting the Cartographer titles easier. There was of course the side that was for it, since it didn't hurt anyone gameplay and they didn't have to use it if they wanted to get Cartographer the "hard" way. Then there was the side that got all hot and bothered because they choose to do it the "hard" way therefore, everyone should since if they went the "easy" way it would discredit their titles. The overwhelming sentiment however was "who cares?" Most likely, the only person that cares about your titles and how you got them is you, so just...just focus on that man. Live and let live, play and let play.

I don't play UB, I don't play FA+ SY, hell, I rarely, very rarely play with people period. I play a ranger, and I like to run around with dumb heroes and henchmen to get things done. But I could honestly give less than a damn about your titles and how you got them. They give you zero credibility. They don't make it easier for you to get a job, or anything or anywhere in life that truly matters. This is a video game. Really concentrate on that, a video game. It's not real. It's all ones and zero's on a monitor man.

Dammit, I've kinda gone off into a tangent. I can't believe threads like this are still popping up.


Hahaha, good luck finding a group doing ANYTHING besides farming in DoA. There's hardly ever anyone their that's not selling or farming gemstones.

I use ursan blessing at times. Mostly when I want to have a quick run though an elite area. I play the rest of the game with a regular build and regular team. I don't bitch at someone when they bring ursan into a PuG for a mission, because that's their CHOICE. It's the choice of the player to use the skills available to them. You can find people like yourself that dont like to use the damn skill...do it.

I don't really like it because it sucks to lose your energy and skills in the middle of the fight because you're being e-denied or just not taking damage (when I use it, I use it on a warrior with a +20 energy staff and signet of stamina...I don't attack the enemies so I rely on the skills and enemy attacks to give me energy). Sure I could get a BiP into the group but that's besides the point.

And stop calling it "ursanway". So very annoying. Ursanway, paraway, ritway, whateverthehellyouwantway....who made that up anyway?

you can say whatever you want about my post.

Yes, UB is the newest, and strongest single skill in the game. Remember when SF came out? Just an example: Everywhere you went you saw people trying to party with SF ele's. SF has not been nerfed, but you dont see the requests for it now that you did then. Did you complain about SF? Did you complain about 55s farming UW taking away perfectly good monks that could party with you? did you complain about the old cookie cutter builds?

I dont see why everyone hates on UB when it is no different than any other high powered skill that has come around. Sure all classes can use it, but that is just encouraging people, who usually dont do elite missions, to do them.
Again. If you dont like it, dont use it.
You can find groups that dont use it, and its use will die down as it grows older. NOT the other way around.

@trobinson97
I could care less about what people think of my titles. They mean nothing at all and even if ursanway discredits my titles who cares.
The point is people are playing ursanway as if its the only viable build. and yeah i dont care if that pug guy wants to run UB, but if he ragequits cos the rest of the team decides not to play UB thats where it just becomes stupid. There are very few players left these days that play balanced or let people play what they want in elite and HM areas. Something has to change in that respect. IE making a nerf to let only 2 UB in a party to still make it a viable skill for when the time is right but also by stopping this Ursanway maddness.
And why do we care? Because being rejected by Alliance members pugs and teams in general is just crap just because you dont want to run UB.
And its this whole whateverthehellyouwantway comes from IWAY

@Fried Tech
SF got nerfed

I dont dont use Ursan, dont have it on any character, and dont plan on getting it anytime soon. Enjoy it all you like, I think it would ruin the game for me. Every other game I played in "God Mod" I enjoyed at first, but then became increasingly bored and quit. The first game that comes to mind for me is playing Oblivion in God Mode. You cant die, you have unlimited gold and items, unlimited power..............whats the point in playing if you have nothing to work towards or look forward to anymore?

Wonder where the outpost with people only wanting to play UB are....
Everywhere we pass for hm vanquishing or dungeon runs, I always see lot of players LFP and asking for other things then UB.
Even the less popular classes get into pug groups without UB.
Always wondered why players trade some specific classes like newbies.
Since they do as good as the other classes when we got them in party.


Exactly, but most veterans that pug won't use ursan either.

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thats the ego i was talking about, "I wanna do what I wanna do. period. No matter if its what the rest of the team wants. I'm in it for me."
he's complaining about people who do the same as him and doesnt even know it.
Stick to H/H if it bothers you that bad

Great post fried, 1 thing I want to add

Some few thousand elite players who did cookie cutter builds before GW:EN came out to farm DOA and what not are now the ones ON the Nerf UB bandwagon. Due to the fact that they are now angry that they cant sell Gemsets and armbraces for retarted prices anymore.
It would seem that they dont want others to do these areas. I wounder why, Could it be due to them being Greedy. Im sorry I broke the silance about this. NOT.

Sab's build + a dragon slash spammer with SY also rolls through HM fast

and no, I don't use UB frequently,

But that's the way PvE was pretty much always played.
"LFG Nuker, Healer, Tank - no mesmers/assassins lololoolollollolllollool" anyone?



So what - the problem of excluding certain people now becomes relevant because the group getting excluded is BIG enough?
Or because YOU are in it?

Ursan is fine the way it is.

Don't like it? Don't play it then... Problem solved.

If i want to H/H i might as well play a single player game. GW is totally boring when not playing with at least 1 other player. I dont want UB removed all i want is for Anet to enforce some sort of balanced groups while still keeping UB alive. Its not fun being rejected by each group just because you are not playing UB. And maybe you have a small group of friends you can always play with. Other people are not as fortunate as you but still want to be able to play in groups without UB. And witht eh current trend of pugs this aint happening.
And i never completed DoA or joined in that Cookie-Cutter fest that was going on down there pre-UB.

Yes I see a lot of UB groups, but so what... I still find reg. groups running too. Then again I play a lot with my alliance. We generally PUG remaining spots in elite areas, and even there, it depends of our intention. We allow any profession, as long as the build works for the area, we really don't mind. Smiting monks, anti-anything mesmers, paragons (defensive or offensive), assassins, water or air nukes, healing or nuking necros... And every now and then someone will UB tank. Doesn't hurt the group at all since we ENJOY having diverse builds... so what if it's a UB tank, a derv tank or a geotanker...

So no, it's not EVERYONE who runs UB.

Think: Is this hurting me? Is ths seriously affecting my game play experience?

First of i am a monk so UB doesnt really affect me getting into groups.
And like i have said a number of times i dont mind UB tanks. What I find really sad though is these 6 UB+2 monk groups

You've just described every PUG build that ever existed and would be used in place of Ursan anyway. Why do you care what their bars are if they're having fun when they play the game?

Vanquishing simply takes time, not skill. Anyone can go vanquish an area with 60dp if they have the time. Don't hate Ursan because it's efficient. People who couldn't spend HOURS to finish something can use Ursan PUGs to complete that same task in less time. Is the time decreased BECAUSE of Ursan? Not really. It's just as easy for 8 people to run other builds and finish vanquishing, dungeons, whatever in the SAME amount of time, but it's faster for a PUG to set up Ursan and not screw up when they go in.

You're calling a PvE-only skill overpowered, and that's something I can't bring myself to care about. The monsters aren't going to complain they're dying too fast, and it helps the casual gamer more than it hurts anything in the game. Maybe I'm just not somebody who cares about other people getting titles, but Ursan shouldn't be a concern for anyone, imo.

I'll never understand the appeal of any of the animal blessings, they're painfully boring to play with. That they apparently make the game a cake walk just makes them more boring. I can only assume the people that use these to vanquish the entire game are the same kind of people that used to god mode their way through Doom.

I believe that all of this will happen naturally in the game. Eventually, there will probly be 2-3 UBs in a group. Anet doesnt need to nerf because while the skill ages, haters will have 2 options.
1. ragequit or complain and accomplish nothing or
2. make builds that work with ursan or in a ursan group.

Which will you people be. In the group willing to adjust, or the noob group?

Every addition to the guild wars series has to have a few things overpowered in it because thats used as an incentive to make people buy the game. It's called power creep and most games have it. At least for EotN they made most of the skills PvE only so that PvP wouldn't suffer from their introduction (unlike nightfall).

As for people whining about how their titles aren't 'prestigious' enough anymore, you really need to reevaluate why you are playing the game. Doing titles for the reason of getting words under your name just to impress complete strangers seems to be a pretty bad reason for playing. They are meant to be personal accomplishments, not trophies to be shown to random people you don't even know or standards to judge people on.

And IWAY is nothing but an acronym for the skill common in that build: I Will Avenge You!. It's stupid to apply the "way" suffix to everything else that uses alot of one thing to accomplish a goal. It's lazy, it's childish, and it's annoying the hell out of me.

And I've never been in the situation where an UB player ragequit because others didn't use it, never been refused from a PuG for ANYTHING because I didnt want to run it, and I probably PuG more than most people on this forum...so I have no idea what you're talking about in that respect.

Dude!
You like ... morph into a bear! Or a raven and you can fly!11 Or a wolf!11
RAWR!11
DUDE!111!11!!!1!!


Ohh, wait ....

Seriously - did they ever give a reason why the characters don't morph (as in change their appearance)?

It's really not hard at all to find someone who is willing to play your style. They are all over this and GWO's forum first off. If you don't want to go that route, there's always meeting people in game. I know for a fact not everyone is running UB. I know for a fact there are a lot of people playing GW who enjoy playing balanced builds.

Your suggestion for Anet forcing limits on how many people can play UB in a group is severely flawed. Say, Anet limits it to two UB per group. What does this mean? It means that 6 other people (who might have wanted to use UB) now can't. So basically, I am being dictated to on how to play the game, not only by Anet, but by whoever puts UB on their skill bar first.

Then, where would it end. You'd have to basically do the same thing for a lot more skills. No more than two eles using fire magic, no more than two barrage rangers in a group, no more than two players with protective spirit on their bar (god I hope it's the monks who have it). Surely you see where this is going.

Also, maybe everyone doesn't want to play a balanced group. Maybe I like playing three paragons, or three barragers, why should Anet determine how I set up my group huh? Look at it this way, right now, you have a choice to play however you want, with whomever you want. No one can force you to do anything, isn't that better than not having a say so in the matter?

I am amazed how much believe in this community to adjust itsself. And yet lets look at the PvP side of the game. Do people ever adjust their builds? In HA people were abusing Soul Reaping over and over and over again. Now that its dead where did we end up in. Back to the old IWAY/Zergway. The community will never balance itself out unless Anet help them out.
And i will still keep on playing the game. I have my very small groups of friends who i can still play with non-UB. Its just sad that we cant pug anymore and teach these less skilled People( and i dont mean that as an insult) the way of balanced play.

Here is a great Idea and I have found it very helpful.
If you dont want to run UB than LEAD THE GROUP START YOUR OWN, DUH I mean good god man THINK if you see pugs all over doing UB way but you still try to joing them??????? and refuse to go UB way. WHY is this??? You know that PuG is a UB pug, START YOUR OWN PUG its a simple solution.
Maybe just maybe you are still a little scared of putting your self up as a team leader. Don't be
Thats the problem with the Pug groups no one wants to take charge. And if you dont want to take charge and make your own groups than quit QQing about it and do as the team leader tells you or leave the group. Again a very simple solution.

2 kinds of players in GW
those that lead the sheep
and those that are the sheep

I can tell you that leading the sheep is way more rewarding that being a sheep.

We're not Norns, we can't morph; thus the "blessing" calling.

EDIT:

I really, really agree with you on this. Lead your own groups. I got tired of PUGging as someone who joined groups (aside from when I want to see how far a group will go for the heck of it, ie. FoW runs) because PUGs try to restrict the holy trinity, which isn't the only way to clear something.

And it works, trust me. Became a better player for it since it gave me chances to learn about different builds, and the good in all professions.

Ahhh - so it's the grand Lore reason again.
Gotta love those.

Because it's a Blessing, not a form. Ursan blessing != bear form.

And kamikaze chicken...not everyone can vanquish an area with 60dp. In fact, noone can. Hard mode boots the team if everyone on it has 60dp.

I'm going to offer my own opinion on the ease of vanquishing: consumables. Why are you hating on UB when you have a slew of consumables available to everyone rather cheap that pretty much make it god mode? Armor of salvation...armor boost, critical hit immunity, and -5 damage reduction to everyone for a half hour. Essence of celerity = 25% move speed, skill cast and recharge buff. Grail of might = +100hp, +10 energy, +1 to atts. Powerstone of courage = erases all dp and gives +10 morale boost. Plus stacking with individual consumables like candy corn, candy apple, pumpkin pie...then the overpowered PvE skills (not UB) and you have in essence God Mode in HM. Vanquish any area in Shiverpeaks in 15 minutes ft...l?

I know People should get a choice in how they play and i dont mind if people choose to play 6 UB. But its never been a flaw in the skill itself its the communities fault for totally abusing it and making it the only viable build these days. Since UB it has become so much harder to find balanced groups. I know they still exist but after accepting a random person for the xth time only for him to ask UB? You start to loose faith and just stop accepting people.
And i do start my own groups generally. But have u ever stood in ToA and wanted to start a balanced PuG for UW? i bet you havent cos the only people who join you are people who are totally new and dont even know what balanced means and that doesnt bother me in any way cos i can acctually teach someone something. It takes way to long to set up a UW balanced PuG that it doesnt even become fun anymore spamming the same thing over for 4 hours straight just to tell your other 3 members sorry guys aint happening.

LOL MAKE YOUR OWN PUG and give up the Y wont other pugs that are spamming (GFL Ursan for (insert Whaterver they are doing)) take me I am only refusing to run UB why wont they take me /cry /cry /cry.

Im going to bold this and Underline just so you can READ IT.

If you do not like the PuG teams that are being spammed in town then make your own PuG team spamming GLF x/x/x/x/x/x/x/x for balanced group.

My final advice to you, and anyone else on the I HATE URSAN bandwagon.

When you are having trouble finding a PUG without ursan..........use ursan.
It will not become perminately glued to your skill bar. You can take it off at anytime you like.
I mean really, do you refuse to use any of the other skills on your skill list if a group is asking for that build? didnt think so.
To all, GLHF

Let me bold this and underscore it for you
Most people are not interested in playing balanced because there is a cheap way out there called Ursan Blessing
If you can find 8 people to clear UW in half and hour all non UB and all Pugs than kudos to you. You probably got very lucky. But let me tell you this its not the norm anymore. Lastly you dont need to flame me for my views, i can very well read what you wrote.

Then... run with your alliance. Your friends. Some heroes if you can't fill in some spots. Stop relying on PUGs to get you through stuff, PUGs in general are stupid and yes, they want cookie cutter.

I can find UW groups that aren't UB. The problem with balanced teams in UW is the fact that it takes so long to clear uw with a balanced team. Every balanced team I've tried it with started dropping people after 2.5 hours. If I tried speeding it up by doing the monument quest from the start, people screwed up and let reapers die. People for the most part don't have 4 straight hours to clear UW anymore.

This isn't about UW though, it's about vanquishing. You can get a balanced team anywhere for vanquishing if you're in an alliance with people who want to.

Most HM guilds i have been in just play lame UB. So i have given up on that. Now friends well i have 2 friends in this game who are still playing. And you will understand that we are not always on at the same time. So lastly that leaves H/H for me which i usually quit after half a vanguish cos its so utterly boring.

1 final post for your Deleted

This game is called say it with me now (GUILD WARS) what in the world does GUILD MEAN.

Guild
noun
Definition:

1. association of people with similar interests: a club, society, or other organization of people with common interests or goals

2. medieval trade association: an association of merchants or craftspersons in medieval Europe, formed to give help and advice to its members and to make regulations and set standards for a particular trade

Now If you still want to pug that go find a game called PUG WARS
The game is for GUILDS that is why Guild teams are 10000000% better than a PuG group.

Yeah, I guess I'm more lucky on this. My alliance, although we're not focused on HM stuff, doesn't rely on UB much. We sometimes have a UB tank, whatever profession it is, and the rest run your average common/uncommon build. We want to go in and clear UW with UB since it seems people want their monument and are already familiar with UW and such - we're not noobs, average player has been playing for 1.5 years already, has beaten 3 campaigns without UB... so we know it's STILL doable. But yeah, people want their monument and want to try the new things. I HIGHLY doubt we'll turn into a UB-only alliance because we enjoy playing regular builds, but you can't blame people for wanting to try new stuff.

My advice is getting a better alliance, specifying you don't feel running UB all the time, and IMHO you'll get one at some point...

Here i will quote myself for you incase you couldnt read

I even bolded it in for you since its something you enjoy and i thought i would do you the honor.

Seriously though if you want to flame someone please go somewhere else.

Try to get in SMS, they don't do the UB. I'd put in a word for you, but that's only lessen your chances of getting in . Also, when looking for a guild, be sure to ask questions before accepting. All it takes is "When you guys do HM, do you usually run balanced groups or gimmick groups like UB or FA+SY?" If they answer with the latter two, keep looking.

My thought is mind your own business and let ppl play how they want to play. Don't like ursanway, don't use it. A pve only skill needs a nerf? Do you understand why skills get nerfed/buffed? No, of course you don't have any clue at all or you wouldn't have suggested that. Here's your answer: pvp balance. Are you seeing the pointlessness of your suggestion yet?