Ursanway ... vanquish PUG annoyance?

I can understand if people just want to get their monuments and such and trying UB for the first time yeah its fun but having to play it all the time just to play with other people isnt fun.
And i did tried my luck with SMS before unfortuantly i came 2 days to late. They had just stopped recruiting(this was a couple of months ago). Also i am euro and most of SMS are americans/canadians
LF HM Euro Guild No UB ^^

There should never be a single "best way" to do things in an RPG, it kills game variety, depth, strategy, and challenge and just leaves a generally crappy PvE experience. I'm all for removing what has functionally become a cheat code from the game. If nothing else, it's made farming high end areas far too easy and as such negatively impacts the player driven economy.

just a little thing thats been confusing me
where did all those balanced groups go are they buy any chance useing ursan .
after calling for it to be nerfed i think that would be funny if it wasint so sad.
or is it more like they are still there farming away and trying to get ursan nerfed to protect their income .

Have you forgotten the multiple nerfs to the Sunspear PVE skills when they first came out?

It is possible to make PVE too easy to play. Some degree of challenge is an inherent design goal for most games. So if any skill or skill combo (whether PVE only or not) makes the game too easy to complete, it is likely that it will get a nerf from Anet. You are correct that this mostly happens because of PVP reasons, but it does happen to "balance" PVE on rare occasion too.

I wonder if they will nerf this skill though. It is getting people to party up more, and has opened up the Elite areas to people who haven't been able to get into the usual party builds for those areas.

I don't think I've even used this skill except for the primary quest story line.

They should just make overpowered PvE items and be done with it. It's bound to happen anyway.
My +10000 HP and damage sword > all.

However, in SMS there are a lot of people who believe that SY needs to be hit as well. It just so happens that UB is abused so much more than SY and so you see us protesting against it. If there were as many threads and controversies on guru about SY you would sure as heck see us arguing about how SY needs to be nerfed as well.

Ursan made farming high end areas far too easy? Hahaha, are you serious Vinraith?

Also, give me one unselfish reason why prices being lower in the video game's economy negatively affects it.

anet had themselves in a big fix

there were a lot of pve players who sufereed coz every damn skill had to be nerfed to cater the PVP

So for pvp sake pve skills were always nerfed

Secondly, GW is a skill based game
That lead to instability as many of a new professions never got to to get in any grps
If you happened to be an Assasin then nobody wants u in the deep , neither urgoz neither UW neither FOW


So anet brought a specific pve only skills not related to profession
This had lead to a return of many a pvers in the game including me ..
Our ursanway team had 2 assassins at the helm and we cleared the whole of
UW after the 4th try something which would have been possible before UB came along

So stop crying its too powerful .It allowing people of all professions to group together and have fun

I HATE Ursan way. Why? Because it DOES cause discrimination. Sure... mesmers and sins and what not can now do elite areas. But only if they have GW:EN. Instead of causing discrimination between players due to there character (which isn't such a big deal, if you want to do UW, you can still do it by just switching to a secondary character, people forget that those guys who have mesmers and sins, etc and are discriminated against, probablly also have an ele, a necro, a monk, or a warrior that they can use instead) you cause discrimination based on what games they own (which is MUCH worse, because now people who don't have GW:EN are not able to group with 90% of the PUGs out there).

point 1- spell correctly
point 2- If you have problems with your build you aren't supposed to be able to complete an area, thats part of being good at the game. If you aren't any good why should you be able to do elite areas that are supposed to be hard?

So a few more titles are nerfed like almost every other title in the game... Who cares? I suppose you're gonna do the same thing in another forum concerning the faction=hero and fame. If you don't like Ursan, don't use it, simple as that. Just because you don't like it, that's no reason for it to be nerfed. So there's an easier way to do things, either do it or don't. If you wanna do things the hard way, good for you, go do it. But don't flame everyone else for coming up with an easier way that they like. You sit here and say "don't flame me, it's my opinion" well Ursanway is other people's opinion and here you are being hypocritical and flaming them...? Who do you think you are? And why does it matter if you can or can't do it with PUG's? Do it with your guild/alliance then, or with friends. There's no rule saying you HAVE to use Ursan and no rule saying you HAVE to do it with PUG's.

Oh yeah?

"GLF 2 SF Eles"

Ele: Doh! I don't have Nightfall.

"GLF BHA Ranger"

Ranger: Dammit, I don't have Factions.

"GLF SS Necro"

Necro: Jeez, I don't have Prophecies, ugh!

See what's going on here?

Exactly. The game was discriminatory as far as which game you had before Ursan, so what makes this time any different? Just in case you didn't catch that yourself... No matter what, the game is going to be "discriminatory". You can do one of two things: Handle it like a bad build, change until it works, or sit and do nothing and mope in a corner about how you can't play because you can't adapt.

Same!

I don't see much of it either and on the off chance you do get in a Ursan group it would be a nice change of pace not some game altering catastrophic event as some here believe.

If you actually thought anyone besides you gave a rats arse about your titles or how you got them then you need a mental health professional...
If you want your title character to be a Sin, and want to clear the elite areas... gl without it.
If hating UB because you feel like an idiot for doing it 'the hard way' when you could've had an easier time makes you feel better, have fun with that. The title *you* get will only be meaningful to you, and only then inasmuch as the effort you put into it. You have a title which you put a lot of effort into it, and yet you feel UB cheapen's *your* achievement? Seriously, grow up.

- "You can't have more than 2 Paragons in team".

- That's what makes it so nice skill, every profession is equal.

- What? I was under the impression that PvE required skill and careful planning while nimbly dodging the projectiles of monsters and active protting!

- Overpowered? In PvE? ... are we even playing the same game?

Oh, how I love the maturity level of this forum. Has there ever been a thread without playground flames here?

On topic: Discrimination is not the issue. The fact you need to grind a title to get into the majority of groups for high-end PvE can easily be called absurd.
During the prophecies area, your succes in both PvE and PvP was determined by skill. No heroes who did everything for you, no overpowered PvE-only skills, no grinding, just skill that was important.

But times have changed.
And they will change even more.

The guy is obviously right. Paragon is SOOOO imbalanced right now. Just nerf all their chants into have cast time + nerf Leadership, it simply GIVES WAY TOO MUCH ENERGY, EVEN MORE THAN SR.

Yeah i agree UB does get abused far more than SY, mostly because people still dont see the strength of a paragon -_-
So your saying SMS is all for a nerf on SY and yet you guys seem to continously use it wherever you can. All those pics of how fast you cleared DoA, FoW,UW and whatnot all had the skill TNTF and SY. So you are against a skill but still contiously abuse it?

@aapo please flame somewhere else.

I agree, it's kind of like having to grind rank (a title) to get into the majority of groups for HA (PVP).

1. If there wasn't easy way to actually finish the task you're doing, people wouldn't PUG. This is exactly why people rather play with heroes than real people. Heroes finish always, PUGs half the time. I'm all for making this game actually social experience.

2. Because of #1, outposts would be void of players who play together. Only occasion are places like ToA and Remains of Sahlahja where people group together to farm.

3. Only if you have EotN? Is this even an issue, really? Who wants to have fire nuker without SF/SH which you get on Nightfall? How much are Rangers gimped on PvE groups without Splinter Weapon... etc.

It is rather ironic how the thread starters of these threads always state how overpowered Ursan is, and it should be nerfed, since the community is abusing it. I did some researches beforehand, the majority of the community had no idea what Ursan is until the discovery of these threads. In fact, the overcrowded Ursanways only formed after the introduction of the second thread. This is the third thread made about Ursan Blessing: another one that wants to nerf Ursan. In all honesty, you guys are promoting Ursan by advertising it over and over.

trobinson97: Hi again, care to join me for some ice creams afterwards?

At Least people are now PUG'ing, Anet didn't manage to do that since 2006

They already do.

If you want to be effective, you use whatever happens to be the best option, even if it's retardedly overpowered and you dislike it. You don't get brownie points for using weaker builds.

TBH its not the skill thats flawed it has its use. But the community thats flawed by always taking the least skillfull and easiest course of action.
But in the end Anet isnt going to nerf it and i dont want them to either. the idea of only having 2 UB in a party is also way to flawed. The only way for pugs to improve is by.... well they wont. We have only ourselves to blame. All you UB abusers you know who you are....

In a recent visit to Gunnar's Hold. I wished I had screenshoted that.

ursan is way oped and needs tobe nerfed

The community would be stupid to not use the easiest course of action. However, there's a problem when the easiest course of action happens to be using a single skill for your entire offense.

It's not the most overpowered by far, but the level of skill required to use it is nonexistent compared to any other option.

I really want to know if A.net will keep ursan like the way it is or not.
If they are, they have no idea how inbalance affects the pve community as well and therefore will screw up GuildWars2 when it comes out.
So i dont want to WASTE MY TIME getting some titles for GW2 if it is going to suck at pve.

I remember this from Diablo2, a totally unbalanced game, focused on PvE. You HAD to play with a Sorceress or a Barbarian or else you would fail at the game.
I dont want to HAVE to play something, i want to play what i want.

Wasnt that GuildWArs original idea?

So what's the point of using what's most effective then asking for it to be less effective? If you wanted to be less effective, wouldn't it make sense to simply not use it? Or does that just make too much sense?


You can play what you want/are capable of. Who's stopping you?

@Divine Envoy, I'd love some ice cream .

I am working on vanquisher titles with a few guildies of mine. We don't use UB except in rare areas, and even then, only myself or another guildie bring it. So its typically 3 earth eles, 1 UB, 1 SS, 3 monks. Setup changes depending on the area, number of people on, and types of creatures of course. UB isn't super great for some areas, especially heavy hex areas.

Wow, do you think before you write?
How long have you been playing this game?
Better yet: How old are you?!
Good lord, are you writng just to write?

Anyways, the problem is the FACT (yes, it is a concrete fact) is that this skill foreces the WHOLE GUILD WARS CUMMUNITY to use it in order to play in other areas. Better yet... ANY AREA.
Its just like an overpowered build at PvP, you have to use it in order to join play (play in pvp=join a team and win).

If this skill stays like this, in about 3 months the whole game will be using it because it will be REQUIRED to join other teams.

It is just like some months ago (before EoTN) a players that uses an elite skill vs. a players who doesnt use an elite skill (doesnt use it because it doenst have one).
If you, a player with an elite skill, meet a player with no elite skill, you will imediatly kick him from your team or you will leave the party. Why? Because he is not in the same grade of power as you.

So if i, a player with an elite skill and even with my Rank10 Sunspear skill and Rank10 Kurzick skill, wont be accepted in teams because people will be asking for Ursan Blessing, just like the exemple above. Because im not in the same grade of power as the rest of them.
And what will i have to do? Get Ursan Blessing and max it.
So YEA, i will be FORCED to play with it, wanting it or not, no matter how good i am, even beeing capable of playing what i want.

What you want me to do? Get heroes and HENCHMAN to do FoW, UW, DoA, Urgoz?
YOU CANT! You have to play with players.
And what will the players require? URSAN BLESSING.
BAM! I am FORCED to get Ursan Blessing! AGAIN!

GuildWars at PvP = FlavorOfTheMonth Wars
GuildWars at PvE = Ursan Wars


Edit:

This is getting nonsense.
Its just like when they were about to nerf Searing Flames, it was obviously overpowered, and yet people gave the wierdest arguments like "Elementalists are supposed to have the most powerful skill in the game, so it doesnt need a nerf"
Im sure it wont be nerfed to oblivion, even if it gets seriously nerfed, people will still use it. Just like Searing Flames, got nerfed twice and is still the most used skill among the Elementalists.

Well be back to Diablo2 if it doesnt, im sure no1 wants that.

I know what your saying. I actually had no idea WTF this Ursan crap was until I got fed up wondering what all this LFG of GLF UB team for UW/FOW. I wiki'd it and then came here and started reading about it.

Personally, the few times that I have looked to group up for FOW or UW I haven't had too much more difficult time finding a PUG than before GWEN, but I have been booted a couple times from teams because I didn't have UB. I do find it pretty lame that so many people hop on the Ursanway bandwagon....oh wait, I guess I did the same thing with my BP ranger a long time ago. Nevermind then...to each their own so long as it doesn't totally disrupt then state of the PvE game.

well, i've done uw, FoW, most of DoA, and SF without ursan.


i still need an explination why someone would WANT to play a build so boring

Actually, there were no useless classes in Diablo 2... Necro was kind of hard to use late game (though I did hear of someone successfully soloing hell Baal with one), but everything else had at least one viable build, usually more.

GW is a similar story... there are some "bonehead" builds like Ursan that anyone can use, but it doesn't mean you can't make effective builds without it. For all classes too... I've seen evidence that even Ritualists can be quite good (especially at Magni >.>)...

This will be fun.

Yes, but do you?
2 years and 3 or 4 months.

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No, I asked a simple question and I got this mess of an answer that I will attempt to dissect and respond to.

Here is where you need to look at the above questions you ask me, and instead, ask yourself. Did you really think about this statement at all? Show me your CONCRETE proof that UB "foreces" the WHOLE GUILD WARS "CUMMUNITY" to use it in order to play ANY AREA. I can tell you now, that you have no proof, as this is not a fact. It's not even an opinion, it's just BS. I don't use UB and have never been forced to. I am sure no one is forcing Divine Envoy or Racthoh and company to use it, so what, are you just typing just to type?

Think more. If you are joining a group that is running a certain build, you can either submit to the wishes of the group and change your individual build to fit in with the team's, OR (typing in caps to emphasize my point is fun, you should try it...oh wait) you could decline and maybe, I don't know, form your own group. I am pretty sure no one puts a gun to your head and says "Run Thumper or die".

Hahaha, why three months? You just said that it's a concrete fact that UB "FORECES" everyone to play it, in ANY AREA. What's the 3 month wait for?

This sentence makes zero sense. In fact, I'd argue that it isn't a sentence at all.

If I meet a player with no elite skills, I do not kick him. You don't need a single elite skill to finish the game. As long as the rest of the build looks fine, I'll roll with it UNLESS, I am leading a team and looking to run a specific team build. If his/her Elite slot can be filled in with a decent skill, I wouldn't kick. What's this "grade of power" business?

Again, this makes no sense. If you join a group advertising UB and you don't have it, why are you trying to join it anyway? That's pretty thick on your part don't you think? If I see someone looking for an RC prot monk, I'm not going to try to join unless I have the skills to do so, that's pretty much common sense. You got any?

Hmmm, apparently you don't. What do you do? Sure, you can go get UB and max it (though you don't need to), OR (fear my caps) you could form your own group, with the team build of your choosing. You could ALSO "lfg" for teams that aren't running UB. If there are none, you could try your friends/guildies/alliance members. If that doesn't work, come to Guru, go to one of those grouping threads near the bottom of the page and meet some people interested in playing your style of GW. At no point though, are you "FORECED" to play a build you don't want to. You still have choices.

I want you to GET HOOKED ON PHONICS! You are never forced to play Ursan. See previous paragraph please.

Umm, ok.

P.S. What do your first 5 questions have to do with anything I asked you (if you don't remember, the question was simply "You can play what you want/are capable of. Who's stopping you?")?

I wouldn't be so upset with it if it weren't so mindless to use.

lol

Like titles ever had credibility.

It’s a game! You either have no life and/or way to much time on your hands to get titles, or you don't. A title in a video game will never be anything more then that, a title in a video game.

Why not go out and volunteer some of your "title time" to helping the poor or doing something good for someone else. Then all of the sudden you will find that those titles you have in a video game aren't as important as you think they are. You might even think "Wow I really wasted a lot of time on those, maybe I should re-think my priorities".

Just some food for thought!

Later,

Krat

Hmm.. don`t really care and don`t see any need at all for a nerf.

Let`s face it the games over, was fun but that`s it! It`s over!
So some people got stuck, well this seems to be the solution, should be if not then go buy the expansion. Get past that nasty mission/quest or whatever. If you`re complaining cos you aint got the expansion and can`t get the skill then LOL, you know what you need for Christmas.

And what about PUGs? Oh for gods sake even a full group of hench left alone could do better than most PUGs and that`s been the truth for a long time.

Live with it.

And... some people have to pay for things in real life... so whatever.

I'm not investing in anymore GW products because, as you said... the game is over/dying. The fact that Galie (apparently) said that they have no plans to nerf UB is just another example of A.net just not getting it.