Whats your view on Anet allowing level 10s now into GWEN?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Game_updates

"Characters can now enter Eye of the North as early as level 10 by accepting the quest "What Lies Beneath" from Len Caldoron in Lion's Arch, "I Feel the Earth Move Under Cantha's Feet" from Minister of Maintenance Raiugyon in Kaineng Center, or "Hole of Istan" from Bendah in Kamadan. "

I personally feel this is a complete and utter crock. Now we will have lvl10s running around GWEN (high end areas) locations asking to be run from location to location and to do quest and dungeons.

Its hard enough finding PUGs in GWEN at times, we dont need lvl10-19s trying to join them when we need those spaces filled with max players who will actually be of use.

I personally feel this will just incourage people to use heroes and henches more because they will want to avoid all the now lvl 10s running around.

GWEN was meant to be a reward for max players, and now its just.... open to everyone!

Wiki also stats that when someone under lvl20 enters GWEN it will increase their skill points to max level temporarily to compensate; so why bother? whats the point of leveling up if once you reach LA you can just run into GWEN and get those last attribute points.

So they have also killed the entire idea of leveling up! People will go into GWEN and not come back because they know they will loose that boost. Anet goes on about disliking dedicated farming...

...has it occured to them that lvl10s will enter GWEN, get the boost and farm high end creatures!

Basically I personally just hate the idea, because it kills the idea of GWEN being high end content and having a sort of reasurance that most players there have experience. Also how does a lvl10 deserve to run around in high end armor or to own a destroyer weapon or prestige armor?

Someone please explain that to me!

They do this, and yet they still restrict acess to the BMP to those who coughed up £17.99 on the online store! I realise Anet has this idea about making everything easily accesssed and keeping everyone happy... but they need to draw a line somewhere.

GWEN should stay high end IMO.

I sometimes wonder about the logic behind some of their ideas!

EDIT

Ok so i've had a change of heart and I now dont mind the idea of people under lvl19 going into GWEN, because it is meant to be an open ended game.

But I still have issues with buffing a players attributes to be "equal" to that of a lvl20 player simply because they chose to enter an area with creatures over lvl20+.

If they choose to enter an area of creatures way more powerfull then them, then they should feel the consiquences and die alot. They shouldnt have their stats buffed just to ensure they surive.

I got no problems with this. I have friends with low level characters because they rarely have time to play. They bought the expansion so they could play with my wife and I in the new areas, only to find that they could only take one, maybe two characters. This opens up opportunities for these casual players, what Guild Wars is supposed to be geared for.

Also, since when, other than Pre-searing, has level meant anything in Guild Wars? This just reinforces what the game is supposed to be about: player skill vs. time spent. Fish, got a problem with that? Oh yeah, figured you would.

EDIT:Yeah, me too. (title grind)

Well, as for this being right or wrong, I can't offer an opinion, as my top char is lvl 15. But I never PUG, I always run with my guild members, so I wont be a bother to others. I own all the GW products, so I have a lot of exploring to do.

As for getting access to GWEN, I'm not complaining. This will give me a chance to run with my guildies in an area they have not been before, so it'll be all new to all of us. And I'll be able to top out on lvl's and come back later to really explore the area.

I can understand your frustration with this. I does seem like a betrayal for those who have ground your way to GWEN and cheapens your efforts. As for myself, I personally say, "Sorry", but I will take advantage of this to get to the lvl, that if we ever cross paths in a PUG, I will be able to hold up my end of the group.

so lame and contrived imo

No problems with it. GW:EN release hype is already past and I've always disliked MMO's that limit new players from going into these so called "high end" areas. It's a big turn off for new players to not be able to go where everybody else is. In GW this is not a big issue tho because you can get lvl20 in 8 hours or something. Then again lvl20 never did guarantee an experienced player.

GW is not a solo player game.

Don't worry, I don't feel the least betrayed, and I've got 9 level 20's all in various areas of Gwen with at least rank 3 on every race, some with rank 6-7. It doesn't bother me in the least that Joe Schmoe can buy the game (say the Platinum Pack), and within a few hours playtime have a level 10 at Lion's Arch and head on over to GW:EN. I say, good for Joe! And good for those who want to PuG with Joe!

I love it, I had a Derv at level 14 who I couldn't be arsed to level up through NF...

Took him over to EoTN, discovered dwarven boxing, and was level 20 within the hour.

Oh, and btw, the attrib points thing actually LIMITS your attributes to 12,9,9.

That's why it fails when you're around level 18-19.

Meh. I don't PuG anyway so let them come. Solo or with friends. They're just names in outposts and cities.

Allow me to be the first to say "Shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up."

Because of the boost, those unworthy lvl 10-19 players will function at virtually the same capacity as lvl 20 characters. Because of the open access, there will be even more people and PUGS, which are claimed so rare these days. Because it's worth repeating again, "Shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up."

Maybe it has something to do with the GWEN Trial weekend this weekend.


It could just dissapear monday.

I only have a problem with the fact that they are giving lvl 10 characters an enhancement to be able to access the expansion. We never got buffs for any of our characters to gain access to the Sulferous Waste, Southern shiverpeaks or several other high lvl areas and there have been ppl that have gotten there prior to lvl 20. It was advertised from the begining that this area was for lvl 20 access only so anyone who bought it without a lvl 20 character knew they had to finish lvling to gain access. I for one think this will make it too easy for ppl to lvl and gain survivour title without much effort.

This is just my opinion but I do have a problem sith this change. Remove the buff and bonuses if they think they are good enough to venture forth then so be it.

We have a winner.

Meh, if player behind L10 can can handle it, give him the chance.

If he cant, he wont have fun being there and will go back to where is supposed to be.

Skill>Time in its finest.

Only bad thing is that it could teach newbies to use pve skills to overcome obstacles...

Lol @ GW:EN = High End.

Maybe by the time they get to a masters difficulty dungeon, by which time they'll have levelled to 20 already. It's an odd move, sure but really I don't care that much. It meant I could get my lvl 13 novelty build ele some lvl 20 heroes to finish noob island.

Actually, I have to say, I see this as a boost for Prophecies now as well. People keep saying it's hard to find a group in Proph, so now it's easier.. get to LA, go grab 3 lvl 20 heroes go back to Proph and carry on. Yes it'll make it easier for you up to the Crystal Desert but the lvl curve in that is so long all it does is make it faster.

Mixed.
While it get's more people into to GW:EN, not everyone will be ready for the content of GW:EN.

It is not being Elite or Uber in order to handle GW:EN content, but for some (NOT ALL) they may be put off by not having the skills or experience (knowledge) that one may need to adapt to the new challenges.

With the max armor and weapons and the buff lower level players get, many will not have a problem or may be able to wade their way through slowly.
Of course, this is a good thing. Veteran players can get their newer characters to GW:EN and get access to newer skills/armor earlier. Newer players who want a challenge or hear about newer stuff from GW:EN can see if it is something they will like or not.

I think the main point I am thinking on right now: Does it affect me and my game play right now? I say no.

Survivor is already pretty easy. All you have to do is grind. :/

It doesn't really matter imho. It's not like lvl 20 is so hard to get in GW. And lvl 20 does not say anything about the experience of a player. It just doesn't change a thing.

Personally - I'd say it's a sweet idea!
Just imagine how much work they put into making OUR playing experience better! Seriously - no need to bother levelling up to 20 JUST so one can play the newest addition to the series!
Superb!

BUT not owning GWEN - I do wish they'd spend the time they wasted on that on something as trivial as bug fixes or skill balance.
You know, stuff that is already in the game - and seriously needs work because it sometimes makes the game UNPLAYABLE rather then LESS fun (I am looking at you, bloody Factions NPC-bastards who keep on getting stuck on every corner not only making us miss Masters - but in the worse case scenarios needing to abort the mission!)!

It doesn't bother me at all. I think that this will mainly be used by people with several characters who already have a few lvl 20s and want to bring their lower lvl characters over, rather than altogether New players.

Getting to lvl 20 isn't really the point of GW anyway. It's just something that happens along the way.

I'll be hauling my lvl 11 necro there just to grab some skills and a few more heroes. Then I'll be heading back to Proph to continue that game.

I'm guessing it's a temporary system for the upcoming weekend and will go away afterwards. Assuming this is the case, I figure it's not really worth thinking about whether I like it or not.

I don't care. Anyone under level 20 will still be rejected by most serious pugs. So GW:EN is likely to remain much as it was.

So, your argument is that people who pay $50 for GWEN don't deserve to explore it, but people who spend $30 for the BMP don't either?

Or, what is your argument?

Once again, your hatred of people playing the game differently than you (gods forgive!) blinds your logic.

YOU don't want to join level 10s, you don't have to.

It's all about choice, and the more choices Anet offers, the better.

Happy for them.

Enhanced access to skills, heroes, consumables etc. With the <20 buff it should make their time there enjoyable and considering the xp gains in EotN they won't be under level 20 for very long.

Enjoy!

i find this total crap, if it stays forever so now like this ...

GW was thought and concepted as high end area, not for lvl 10 noobs, which get unfair buffed....

12/9/9/9 >.> = 241 AP buff


this shit shows us only, that anet begins even not to care about their own concepts and that they start to ignore themself and thigns they've said ....

not to mention, that it will make the Survivor title a joke, if this stays so now permanent ... if this stays so permanent, that i personally AWAIT then now from Anet, that they also change something permanently on the LDoA title...so that also non presearing characters can receive it by doing a sum of some hard elite quests or so, which require together a simlar amount of effort, as death leveling in pre ...but then has the player at least the choice, if he prefers death leveling in pre as perma pre chara, or if you want to try it out of pre by normal playing and making anything elite for the title ....that has to do with defending Ascalon ... what death leveling imo absolutely hasn't ...

I really hope, this crap part of the update is only temporarely for this weekend, otherwise it will row up to the list of the absolute dumbest, small mindedst things, ANet has ever done to GW imo

Meh. If I had just spent days getting my first character to level 20 the hard way (i. e. Prophecies) I might be a little annoyed.

But by now, the part before level 20 is such a tiny part of my characters' lives, and such a distant memory, that I find it hard to really care.

Good idea that didn't get thought all the way. Makes Survivor much easier to max. Remember what the first thing in gwen, the worms. So character lvl to lvl 10, go to gw:en, start farming worms solo until lvl 20, then farm them in HM. Survivor is not what it used to be.

This is pissing off exactly the kind of people I tend to think deserve a miserable life - those who have far too much concern for what other players are doing & what they have access to.

I expect to like this. I've played every class at level 20, at some point - I'm not an inexperienced "noob", just because I start a new toon. Max armour and access to the latest content at level 10? Great stuff!

Hope it's not temporary.

Oh, and regarding survivor - getting lvl 20 in Factions or Nightfall is one of the easiest things you can do. Survivor 1 is a sleepwalker's title. I expect more players will come unstuck by rushing to GW:EN, so stop being idiots. Your titles don't mean crap anyway.

Lmao. sweet weekend. but the info is already out about what the majority thought about Gwen & it's suckness. I doubt this will boost sales. I must add..nice try...but in the end, I think it will drop sales, not rekindle them.

-you have best wishes (to whom it may concern)

Forget the worms, get to boxing.

I really don't understand why this is a "bad" thing...

The difference is a few hours if you're a Faction character. It doesn't take long to get to level 20, but why force people to "grind" when they can get to level 20 in GWEN?

They paid for the product, they should be able to experience it ASAP.

This is a sign of good things coming from Anet. I've been worried that GW2 will be nothign but Grind, but ideas like this make me realize I have little to fear.

Guild Wars = Casual player MMORPG FTW!

QFT. I have several characters stuck in Nightfall at level 10. (for some reason, I get bored in Nightfall unlike any other Chapter). Can't wait to finally have a level 20 Dervish and Paragon!

My view is, who the Hell cares. It's not like I'll ever party with them anyhow. I already almost never PUG because even level 20 PUG players are almost universally horrendous players. Makes no difference to me if a few more horrendous players are given access to GWEN. They can play with each other all they like, doesn't affect my GW experience whatsoever.

Same here. I kinda like having new players in the game. either way, doesn't make a big diff to me...

Keep in mind, most of these "new" players are actually experienced players who want to level up an alt.

And they're buffed anyway. It doesn't "hurt" anyone.

It's fine with me. Level 20 doesn't mean anything anymore.

If you are offended and do not like the fact that low levels can enter the area, do not accept them into your party and carry on. It really should not matter much.

People may want ran... do run them if you feel like it or don't. Is it that detremental to the game to rob your enjoyment?

Quite.

My lvl 13 ele has been using Searing Flames from lvl 2 thanks to my small stack of elite tomes. And I've been playing an ele for nearly two years. Low lvl does not equal useless noob. There's plenty of other ways people can be useless without their level being the indicator.

Complaints about survivor? Seriously? It's Survivor. That's not exactly an exclusive club. It's not "God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals".


I don't understand this mentality at all. Open to everyone? Oh the humanity of it all. Is nothing sacred anymore?

Unfairly buffed? How so? If a lvl 12 is running on a 12-9-9-9 that puts them on the same lvl as me. I don't see this as being unfair.

Guild Wars, for the time period these players are in this area, are dropping the time consumption lvl'ing in one game area to require the players skill to determine how successful they are in this "high end content". If they're good players, you'll succeed. If they're bad players, you'll fail. Sort of goes with the mantra of Skill>Time.

I saw complaints of people asking to be run through dungeons and missions. Like that doesn't happen already? I can't even sit in the Marketplace for 10 minutes without people begging for runs to Kaineng Center, which a lvl 1 could do with 7 flagged henchies. Drok's and endless powerlevelling. Ascalon with LA runs. Kamadan and Ferrying. SS Sanctuary and Avatar Capping. Gate of Pain masters. Runs would stop if people would stop being lazy, but that won't happen and it's certainly not just the lvl's 1-19 asking for runs through this game.


Some are behaving as though EoTN is this special, members-only, exclusive club house. It's not. Stop acting as though it's your personal territory, like your bedroom with the yellow "KEEP OUT" sign on the door. If it comes down to it I would rather PUG with those lvl 10-19's if they can get the job done, instead of the lvl20 "....everyone else is just a noob...." attitude. It's no wonder people will be using H/H far more than PUG's.

Considering this is just part of the weekend promo whats it matter? Come Monday it will all be back to normal anyways.

Don't like low level chars there, don't play with em!

I'm not sure, I hope it's permanent.

Isn't this an update, and not the special weekend event (I assume it's more than just letting level 10s enter?)