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~Frostbyte~

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

11 Jan 2008 at 20:08 - 601

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

its an exploit that ANET CREATED. why should players have to pay for something that ANET did. why in the hell should those players who've spent god knows how much REAL life money into actually keeping up with the GW series.

I agree. I have never done any of these Mallyx quests or w/e its called, but have a friend that has done them without any knowledge of the exploit/hack and got banned.

These games cost real money, in my own thoughts it is considered a form of fraud. Dont ban these people permanently unless you find out who the original hackers were, then ban them. Why not instead take all their gold away and completly strip their inventories. Dont make their games they spent money on "unplayable". Its like a trial without a jury or judge

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

E/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:08 - 602

You people are missing the fact that this WAS A 3RD PARTY HACK THAT GAVE THEM ACCESS TO THE AREA. It is not like the consulate docks, or guild hall travel, or mission exploits. IT WAS ONLY OBTAINABLE WITH THE USE OF A HACK!......

I D E L E T E D I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

[BAAA] guest me NOW

Mo/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:09 - 603

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

As for DOA tho you should know that if you get a guest invite and ported to the guild hall something is wrong and you should leave. the one thing that should scream this is not right is when you to the mallyx's citidel outpost and another should be the enter mission, and no high priest. 3 huge things that scream this is wrong and I should not be in here.

Urgoz was an example -_-. Some people make teams in Guild Halls with guild teams+1 or 2 friends. Your post still doesnt make sense

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

Mo/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:10 - 604

Again this is a game everything that they gained can be taken away from them their money their weapons everything can be taken away so that they may prove themselves. Anet does not always make just bans someone repeats a quest over and over and gets banned you doubt me well ask some of the saviors of the kurzicks they have been banned for simply fffing alot to get their title Anet does not always make just bans. When a company screws up and know that eventually someones human nature is going to take over and they might exploit it then the company is held responsible just like all companies they should be held responsible for the problems that they are too silly too take the time too look over a dat file 3 times is what it should be for any glitches in the game any problems that might occur in it and if a problem is missed then they should go in and take whatever was taken and put it back to normal

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:10 - 605

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fried Tech

You people are missing the fact that this WAS A 3RD PARTY HACK THAT GAVE THEM ACCESS TO THE AREA. It is not like the consulate docks, or guild hall travel, or mission exploits. IT WAS ONLY OBTAINABLE WITH THE USE OF A HACK!......

Could have been a corrupted DAT file too, or some bug which overwrote 2 bytes in your memory.

bobbylr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Drunks Really Know Nothing [DRKN]

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:10 - 606

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fried Tech

You people are missing the fact that this WAS A 3RD PARTY HACK THAT GAVE THEM ACCESS TO THE AREA. It is not like the consulate docks, or guild hall travel, or mission exploits. IT WAS ONLY OBTAINABLE WITH THE USE OF A HACK!......

NO IT WAS NOT ANET MADE THE PLACE
THEY MESSED UP ON IT AND MADE IT ABLE TO GET BY PEOPLE
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

11 Jan 2008 at 20:10 - 607

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clait

There is an old saying, "A lie told enough times becomes the truth."
Fact is if Anet said 2 + 2 = 5, there would be ignorant people that would by that. If you said "No, 2 +2 = 4," you would be calling Anets infallibility into question. They deam themselves gods on their game, and any opposition is heresy. It seams much easier to continue a lie by calling it a hack. When in reality the mechanics are no different then a simple ferry. Whatever Anet says becomes fact, whether it is logical or not.

Okay. So, do tell why we should believe the abuser of the exploit/hack and not ANet.
Do you have any information that may prove ANet is wrong and that guy is right? Do you have any confirmed records on how the exploit/hack was performed from any third party (not ANet, not someone who was banned)?
Is there any reason not to trust ANet?

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

11 Jan 2008 at 20:11 - 608

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tagne

You sir, do not have the ability to read.
Nobody "hacked" the server, it was a mapping glitch.

Ok, fair enough.

It's still hedonistic desire to exploit something that wasn't meant to be exploited.

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:11 - 609

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

ROFLCOPTER !!!...care to share ? lol

I shared them with ArenaNet already, I consider it's enough for now. (for now)

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 20:12 - 610

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fried Tech

You people are missing the fact that this WAS A 3RD PARTY HACK THAT GAVE THEM ACCESS TO THE AREA. It is not like the consulate docks, or guild hall travel, or mission exploits. IT WAS ONLY OBTAINABLE WITH THE USE OF A HACK!......

Also. if 117 people could hack like that...Why arnt the 117 people working FOR anet ?

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

11 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 611

And those people that took advantage should be permabanned in every online game, k?

I D E L E T E D I

Wilds Pathfinder

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Mo/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 612

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Okay. So, do tell why we should believe the abuser of the exploit/hack and not ANet.
Do you have any information that may prove ANet is wrong and that guy is right? Do you have any confirmed records on how the exploit/hack was performed from any third party (not ANet, not someone who was banned)?
Is there any reason not to trust ANet?

They do have problems passing on information to other employees. Mini Polar Bear anyone??? Doesnt make them the most trust worthy. Plus Gaile Gray said it was a Hack and i tend to take her words and believe the opposite

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 613

Quote:

Originally Posted by rath no more

ya maybe, but again going with this logic. if this isnt a hack. IF then alotta exploiters shoulda disapeared perm a long time ago (duncan)

I agree and that is why I never did the duncan bug/whatever they want to call it. They should get banned it is very clear from the quest what you need to do to get to him yet people simply did the bug/whatever anyways that is called exploiting the game.

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 614

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Actually I am calling those who claim there was no hack liars. I am saying that those claiming complete knowledge of all events pertaining to this are stretching credulity to its limits.

Quit lying, to us, and to yourselves.

You did wrong, you got caught. Deal with it.

Yep you are right, we got caught *bummer*

but the fact still remains.. there was no hack no 3rd party program..

i told you all how to do it a fiew pages <<<----- that way lol

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 20:15 - 615

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

hey and the majority of those people who actually did the exploit are the ones who are banned and the ones who actually sat up and admitted to doing it. should they be punished by a permonant ban? which is a bit extreme. how about you put some of those opnions about exploiting to Anets way, they created it, they lost control of the power to keep it secret. they knew they should of stopped when they found out about it, they knew they should of done something about it before it got out of hand.

It seems like most people nowadays refuse to accept responsibility for any they do wrong doing. It is easier to blame any and all things, other than to say I was stupid, I did it and will now take the consequences.

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:16 - 616

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fried Tech

You people are missing the fact that this WAS A 3RD PARTY HACK THAT GAVE THEM ACCESS TO THE AREA. It is not like the consulate docks, or guild hall travel, or mission exploits. IT WAS ONLY OBTAINABLE WITH THE USE OF A HACK!......

i dont know personally, ill do my time one way or anther it doesnt matter, but somewhere along the line you musta missed that there could be a possibility that this has nothing to do with hacks. i dont believe my freinds would willingly take me to do hacks, some guy i barely know maybe.. but not a real friend.. but in the end it could swing either way so it doesnt really matter.

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

11 Jan 2008 at 20:17 - 617

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

Yep you are right, we got caught *bummer*

but the fact still remains.. there was no hack no 3rd party program..

i told you all how to do it a fiew pages <<<----- that way lol

And I said, and I am sure I am not the only one, that I don't believe you.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

11 Jan 2008 at 20:17 - 618

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

Also. if 117 people could hack like that...Why arnt the 117 people working FOR anet ?

Would you want someone to work for you who damaged your game?

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

11 Jan 2008 at 20:18 - 619

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

omg when are you thickheaded arrogant idiots going to get it through your head. IT WASN'T A HACK!!!!!!!!! it was an exploit that Anet created that people just took advantage of.

That helps you how?

ANet created the game. By default, you cant get banned for abusing anything? What kind of insane logic is that?

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

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P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 20:18 - 620

The real reason Anet banned us IMO is because the economy is bad anyway. and there looking for a reason to hold the blame. could be wrong but w.e

The Duncan was so much worse than this and Anet are being very unreasonable.

to "save" the economy all they have to do is delete all the items/cash on the banned acount and then had the accounts back

simple fix everyone is happy

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:18 - 621

I love how people are still talking about my comments...

Gimme a few hours and I'll attempt to give evidence on why they should unban the 117+ people for this exploit/hack (whever you wanna call it, up to you, i'm not a dictionary nazi).

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 20:18 - 622

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

Yep you are right, we got caught *bummer*

but the fact still remains.. there was no hack no 3rd party program..

i told you all how to do it a fiew pages <<<----- that way lol

Me, i dont care how you did it.

If its something unintended that you took advantage of, then you deserve a ban, and you're lucky I'm not there to personally kick your ass.

Lots of people in this game deserve to get banned.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:18 - 623

wow get home from school 37 pages niceeee i can't believe some people

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

E/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:19 - 624

Quote:

Originally Posted by gailegray

This hidden outpost existed strictly for testing purposes and was never accessible through normal play. Only by hacking the client, or partying with someone who had done so, could a player access that outpost.

To all who said im an idiot.....

maybe you should read the opening post for a thread before you start to flame people. If you dont, you just look like an idiot when proven wrong.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:20 - 625

Quote:

Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Urgoz was an example -_-. Some people make teams in Guild Halls with guild teams+1 or 2 friends. Your post still doesnt make sense

But those people still port back to town and leave via a real exit or real NPC not a outpost that does not exist or a explorable area.

This is what my post is saying, somehow you do not understand.

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

11 Jan 2008 at 20:20 - 626

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

how can you exploit something that was alreayd their?

Makes sence

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

11 Jan 2008 at 20:21 - 627

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbylr

NO IT WAS NOT ANET MADE THE PLACE
THEY MESSED UP ON IT AND MADE IT ABLE TO GET BY PEOPLE
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Anet created the area for developers, not for you and your friends to go repeatedly farm the end boss for gemsets. You cant honestly tell me that you couldn't take 5 minutes out of your time to hit F10 and type in Mallyx to find out how you're supposed to get to him beforehand if you didn't do DoA on a regular basis. And had you done DoA at all, you would have known that reaching Mallyx was only attainable after finishing the 4 quests prior to him each time.

So either way, you all screwed up, abused an exploit in the game to access an area never ment for the general population to ever see, and got caught doing it. I feel no sympathy for you, nor anyone else who used this. You broke the rules, deal with your punishment.

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 20:21 - 628

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

how can you exploit something that was alreayd their?

It was a test town for the early days of DoA that anet didnt secure properly or updated something that made it easily avaliable

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 20:21 - 629

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

how can you exploit something that was alreayd their?

The same reason stealing something is STEALING regardless of how you got in. Door, window or a hole in the wall.

You're all incredibly naive or incredibly stupid.

Pick one.

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

11 Jan 2008 at 20:21 - 630

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

how can you exploit something that was alreayd their?

My neighbour's backdoor is open. I can just go in and rob him. And get away with it!
That girl is hot. Let's exploit her while she's there!
I appear to be holding a gun while standing in a bank. What ever should I do?

Yes, of course, that logic makes perfect sense now!

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:22 - 631

Just to clarifiy the outpost wasn't "locked". The way ArenaNet tried to implement missions accessed by an NPC was such that it unlocked that outpost on your character when you access the mission, but didn't add an icon on the map. With buffer overflows and such data corruptions it can quite easily happen that people get there by error without hacking/editing anything.

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

11 Jan 2008 at 20:23 - 632

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am a princess

how can you exploit something that was already there?

You cannot exploit something that isn't there, so your question makes little sense.

Mystique Huntress

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2007

West Midlands, UK

Avatar Of Heroes [Hero]

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:24 - 633

Quote:

Originally Posted by pablo24

Just to clarifiy the outpost wasn't "locked". The way ArenaNet tried to implement missions accessed by an NPC was such that it unlocked that outpost on your character when you access the mission, but didn't add an icon on the map. With buffer overflows and such data corruptions it can quite easily happen that people get there by error without hacking/editing anything.

Just out of curiosity, you know this how?

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

Mo/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:24 - 634

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luftewaffle

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These games cost real money, in my own thoughts it is considered a form of fraud. Dont ban these people permanently unless you find out who the original hackers were, then ban them. Why not instead take all their gold away and completly strip their inventories. Dont make their games they spent money on "unplayable". Its like a trial without a jury or judge

Exactly right these games cost them real money and over 90% of them were just innocent bistandards that did not know of any hack used and would gladly five up what ever they made from it, but Gaile Clearly states that they can count how many times they have done it and have supposid screen shots of them so why not do the math and start getting some pms back to them and take away the money they made off of it and call it even then all their time doing it will simply have been a waste of time from what puritan said he did it for fun he doesnt sound like he made the money then sold it over ebay to make money so looks like he should get his account back. by simply taking what ever he made off of it

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:25 - 635

Gaile told me not to speak about the other exploits I reported them, because it may get some people motivated to find these exploits, and then they would need to fix them T_T

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

11 Jan 2008 at 20:26 - 636

This appears to be a case of cat was curious, cat got killed, cat's ghost likes to QQ about it. When people abuse the game they need to be punished, period. It is up to ANET to decide that fate and in this case they felt a perma ban was needed. Unfortunately for those that abused this situation whatever people want to call it, they did something stupid and they paid for it.

Trying to rationalize saying 80% of you would have done it and so on is just trying to spread the guilt away from you. In the end, we didnt do it, we played the game without exploiting bugs/hacks/loopholes etc. In the end, if it feels like it is wrong it probably is.

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

11 Jan 2008 at 20:26 - 637

To add insult to injury, there are a number of people that are about to be banned because of their inability to stay away from personal insults. Any insult to an individual or the community as a whole will be deleted. You will also possibly be banned as the amount of posts I'm having to delete from people who repeatedly are flaming or using flamebait is approaching ridiculous. Stay on topic and contributing.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:27 - 638

like i just want of a number so i can be like wow...i was addicted i mean i have no regrets about getting banned but i mean 26 almost 27 champ of the kurzicks ehh kinda sad but i have heard of worse stories

btw ty for killing any anet </3

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:27 - 639

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystique Huntress

Just out of curiosity, you know this how?

Because I discovered that exploit like three or four months ago and reported it. Now you may ask why I tried to find such a thing in the first place, well I found it because Gaile asked me ingame to look for exploitable outposts.

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 20:28 - 640

You know what curiosity did dont you..

got a big fat ban lol