[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008 - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

Mo/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:45 - 681

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

Hack or exploit, I don't care. People who exploited the dopple bug were banned too, no hacks involved there. This is obviously a lot more serious as the economy is involved and players were acccessing an outpost that was never meant to be available through normal gameplay.

Lies or not, *shrug*. Maybe some hack to access it, maybe others didn't. End of the day it was an exploit no matter how you look at it.

Really if all those people are banned then why are there still people wilth 90 stacks of ecto you would have to solo farm UW 24/7 since this game came out to do that this is so much smaller because they had to do work to make the money and they still didnt ruin the price on armbraces so it did not ruin the economy at all. they proved theirselves that they could beat the other 4 areas already and said that they had too just to even get there no different then Duncan yet all 200 people that did that are not banned.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:46 - 682

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

Also i bet there are people who acidently found the town and never told a sole who are now banned. its a carpet FTL

They didn't find it by accident. Or atleast, not repeatedly when they were farming it. Besides, why would you tell someone about you're new super amazing farming spot?

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

11 Jan 2008 at 20:46 - 683

I'll eat my words to a point.

It's still a dev outpost, you knew you shouldn't have been there, you knew that ANet could find out, and you knew that if ANet did find out there'd be ramifications.

Right?

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

W/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:46 - 684

dont compare ferrying to mallyx the same as ferrying to urgoz deep lol you stilll need to do whole the mission....

ferrying to mallyx you skip liek 95% of the whole elite

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jan 2008 at 20:47 - 685

Maybe now would be a good time for everyone to read the EULA. Hell, if you can wade through 45 pages of this crap you should be able to read the EULA.

Read it and understand what it is telling you. It may help others from getting accounts banned in the future.

~Peace

Puritans Aid

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:47 - 686

wow. I read more and more, and Im becomeing sure you guys dont realize its a game. its a form of intertainment. Its not real life. IF i stole from you, in real life, I go to jail, if I get caught. Real life. In a game, people steal from eachother every day. I neverhave. I dont even rip people off when I could. I dont sell an ele sword for 100k when its worth 20 now.. even tho this guy hasnt logged for a week and doesnt know.

OK so I dont rob/steal/cheat.

again I dont.

For those who said no one cares? 45 pages in 12 hrs, going near 1000 posts in 12 hours, a TON of people care. the 117, each had 117 friends, who have 117 friends, who played with us daily! DAILY!!!!

thusly 1million 600,000 people were/are directly affected. The 50 different people a day I ran COF for.. affected.. the 5 to 10 I taught to 600 UW/FOW, directly afected, the 20 to 30 I played pre with every week.. directly affected.

DOnt tell me its not a big deal, or Im a bad person bla bla bla, or say its same as real life.

Its a form of intertainment. We enjoyed it. We tried to help other people enjoy it. We HADNT even don this mallyx mission for a month!

A MONTH! We honestly htought it was part of the game, some update. I assumed scrolls would start coming from Ziashen chests for this area.

I am sad to see how many angry/blamer/flamers there are in the gw community.

Everyone I hav eplayed with in these games/ alliances/ guilds/ etc where nice honest people. The few who werent are on my ban list. theres 2 on there as far as i know.

I helped peopel all the time, for free.

I gave money to people to finish an armor set, whatever.

Rob the unknown owes me 150k, do I care? NO I hope he gets r15 some day, and can be the happiest cat in GW.

ITS A GAME!
its not real life.

Thanks for listening.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:47 - 687

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Thats a good point to bring up. Ive said before, the extent of the punishment matters on HOW MANY PLAYERS DO IT, as well as the effects of the exploit.

However, Ferrying to Urgoz/Deep has always been part of the mechanic of owning a town. And once you get there you STILL have to beat the area to get the reward.

Consulate docks armor does nothing but give you max armor. You cannot SKIP anything, since the mission will not let you in.

The mallyx one lets you repeatedly beat mallyx without doing the prerequisite quests. This is a rather BIG difference with those other ferrying exploits.

Not really

Once you got to Urgoz/Deep you could park your character there and repeatedly enter even though your alliance no longer owned the town.

Even though you can not run the mission, you can then enter Consulate docks again and again with the map - as well as get the ferries to other games.

And, even though you can beat Mallyx without doing the prerequisite quests - you do still have to beat him to get the reward.

Unless you are pretty familiar with the whole game - including the dynamics of DoA - it would not seem that different than the others. Obviously some of the banned were familiar enough with DoA to know that. But many certainly were not.

myrealnameismatt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

[any]

W/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:47 - 688

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

useing the same bar every time does not make you a better player in fact in hinders you game play. as well as FFF all you do is 2 min runs the same way each time for however long you want to be on the only thing is you get to type but you are still doing the same thing day in and day out which does not make you a better player it makes you a bad one.

As for the community are you talking about the GW community or the Guilds and alliance communitys? and I agree that nothing is better then a common goal. but trying to put in FFF guilds as leaders of the GW world just because the own a town is a insult to all the guilds that help people be it PvE or PvP.

You missed the original point - noone claims that anyone involved in FFF is leader of anything, merely that this whole affair affects literally 1000's of people and not just a handful like people were claiming. I was done with FFF months ago but stuck around because I liked the people, learned a lot from them and taught them a lot. Personally, I have a different bar for just about anything and everything to do in the game - and seriously for the hardcore player titles are really the only things to do - so don't jump down our throats for doing something repetative - the whole game is full of grind

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:47 - 689

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

While the mechanical aspect of it is the same, the outpost is not. One is a legit outpost that every player can access. One is an outpost that was only ever ment for developer access. So these are equal again how???

they are not equal but i don't understand anets idea behind leaving this there in the actucal server even if it runs all of doa why put and enter mission button why put elite mission there when you zone in

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

11 Jan 2008 at 20:47 - 690

Quote:

Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

^^ not none m8 - did you hear about the duncan glitch that literaly 10's of thousands of people were running in and out. Different story there wasn't it?

There was no town that you automatically went to that you could press a button or walk outside and be directly at Duncan the Black without doing a quest line first or fighting your way to the boss. Try again.

Clait

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

W/A

11 Jan 2008 at 20:48 - 691

Quote:

Originally Posted by IslandHermet

I agree and that is why I never did the duncan bug/whatever they want to call it. They should get banned it is very clear from the quest what you need to do to get to him yet people simply did the bug/whatever anyways that is called exploiting the game.

Nobody was banned for that. It is no different then Mallyx. Except with Mallyx you had to actually complete the four quests before getting access to the locked town.

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 20:48 - 692

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

They didn't find it by accident. Or atleast, not repeatedly when they were farming it. Besides, why would you tell someone about you're new super amazing farming spot?

Total accident bro anyone could have stumbled on it its not hard, its a simple error and if you fully read my post on how it works you will agree

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:49 - 693

[/QUOTE] not everyone in game has used one they don't hear about them because people try not to let them leak out[/QUOTE]

ya know i woulda thought lettin this thing get out would killed the economy horribly as well, but hey atleast wed still have our accounts lol. but your right.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:50 - 694

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uber Mass

dont compare ferrying to mallyx the same as ferrying to urgoz deep lol you stilll need to do whole the mission....

ferrying to mallyx you skip liek 95% of the whole elite

lol and when you get to Urgoz or Mallyx the outpost is just as echoingly empty of players - looks pretty much the same to me.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:51 - 695

not everyone in game has used one they don't hear about them because people try not to let them leak out[/QUOTE]

ya know i woulda thought lettin this thing get out would killed the economy horribly as well, but hey atleast wed still have our accounts lol. but your right.[/QUOTE] i swear i though anet was about economy balance...? thsi would balance armbrace price out better for others to use?

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:51 - 696

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

There was no town that you automatically went to that you could press a button or walk outside and be directly at Duncan the Black without doing a quest line first or fighting your way to the boss. Try again.

i dont know anything about this personally but i thought i heard here that that exploit lets you get past the other 4? and your fighting cronies with duncan? not so diff after all if what i heard was true.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:52 - 697

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

ol!

I read your whole post. And i don't believe 1 single word of it.

On the other hand, Pablo says the same thing - could have happened by accident, and he has always been accurate.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

11 Jan 2008 at 20:52 - 698

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

they are not equal but i don't understand anets idea behind leaving this there in the actucal server even if it runs all of doa why put and enter mission button why put elite mission there when you zone in

You have to have an understanding from a developers point of view. This town was put in for developer testing, not for community use such as the case with the Urgoz outpost. It was never ment to be able to be accessed by the general population, and therefore considered a safe outpost from a developer side.

This town/outpost/whatever was NOT put into the game for player use, nor was it put in the game for access to the elite mission of the game. It was never intended to see the light of day outside of the developers of the game using it.

myrealnameismatt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

[any]

W/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:52 - 699

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

There was no town that you automatically went to that you could press a button or walk outside and be directly at Duncan the Black without doing a quest line first or fighting your way to the boss. Try again.

Well - hey I suppose if you count the 2 minute run to get you in there and the money you had to pay someone to get you in... and the 15 mins or so (sound familiar) to beat the thing - in truth, when it comes down to actual effort required - it is identical.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:53 - 700

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

You have to have an understanding from a developers point of view. This town was put in for developer testing, not for community use such as the case with the Urgoz outpost. It was never ment to be able to be accessed by the general population, and therefore considered a safe outpost from a developer side.

This town/outpost/whatever was NOT put into the game for player use, nor was it put in the game for access to the elite mission of the game. It was never intended to see the light of day outside of the developers of the game using it.

incase of possible hack/mod don't put an enter mission button if you don't want people to ever be able to use it again nothing is safe someone can always get around something

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:55 - 701

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

incase of possible hack/mod don't put an enter mission button if you don't want people to ever be able to use it again nothing is safe someone can always get around something

Well of course you can get around it. But you knew in doing so it was wrong and got a ban slapped in your face. Wouldn't it be a good idea not to get around things again?

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:56 - 702

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Well of course you can get around it. But you knew in doing so it was wrong and got a ban slapped in your face. Wouldn't it be a good idea not to get around things again?

you ever hear what i am saying on vent mate... you think i got slapped qq and future refrence anet when you don't want a non gm or tester to use it take off enter mission? it may take a bit of work but? gets rid of 46 page posts on guru

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

11 Jan 2008 at 20:56 - 703

Quote:

Originally Posted by rath no more

i dont know anything about this personally but i thought i heard here that that exploit lets you get past the other 4? and your fighting cronies with duncan? not so diff after all if what i heard was true.

Then allow me to give you the correct information as you apparently have faulty information.

Duncan the Black run:

This run allowed you to bypass the first 4 parts of the quest to have access to duncan's chamber. You still did not automatically appear at Duncan the Black whenever you walked through the door. You had to finish the area, the same as if you had completed the other 4 parts to the quest. All it did was open the locked door for you to travel through to finish the end of the quest line. It DID NOT however, take you directly to him to be able to farm him over and over again every 10 minutes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

Well - hey I suppose if you count the 2 minute run to get you in there and the money you had to pay someone to get you in... and the 15 mins or so (sound familiar) to beat the thing - in truth, when it comes down to actual effort required - it is identical.

/facepalm..

1.) it took longer than 15 minutes for even a good group to fight their way to duncan.
2.) you were never auto spawned right at duncan like you are with mallyx
3.) there is far more effort in the duncan run than in pressing a button and fighting mallyx instantly.
4.) The duncan run required at least 1 person to have the quest active and still have had to finish the actual first 4 parts of the quest in the first place and once the quest was done, you had to start the entire thing over again.

Thus the difference between the two runs. Had someone not had the quest available to finish that line in the quest, Duncan was never available. With the developer outpost, you could instantly spawn mallyx at anytime, without having to do the quest at all. now how is this similar?

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:57 - 704

There is a hack involving pre searing and items (I won't go more into detail) that has been around since September 2007, I reported it 4 times directly to Gaile, everytime she said she appreciates me reporting these issues and it is very important to her, but they still didn't fix it.

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

11 Jan 2008 at 20:58 - 705

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

ITS A GAME!
its not real life.

Exactly, hence the fact 117 people were removed from playing, not arrested.

Just like the penalty box in a hockey game, they were removed.

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

11 Jan 2008 at 20:58 - 706

Quote:

You have to have an understanding from a developers point of view.

eum, like all the other bugs around last 2 years?
if your talking about blaim, wich a ban is, i would blaim the devs for making it possible instead of the customers whom even paying for it.

btw, putting up the number of banned people aint a right thing to do, if its 10 or a 1000 its still not right.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:58 - 707

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

Then allow me to give you the correct information as you apparently have faulty information.

Duncan the Black run:

This run allowed you to bypass the first 4 parts of the quest to have access to duncan's chamber. You still did not automatically appear at Duncan the Black whenever you walked through the door. You had to finish the area, the same as if you had completed the other 4 parts to the quest. All it did was open the locked door for you to travel through to finish the end of the quest line. It DID NOT however, take you directly to him to be able to farm him over and over again every 10 minutes.

quite the same though allowed access to a part you shouldn't be at until you finished the other areas this just had a bit of greater benfit

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:59 - 708

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

you ever hear what i am saying on vent mate... you think i got slapped qq and future refrence anet when you don't want a non gm or tester to use it take off enter mission? it may take a bit of work but? gets rid of 46 page posts on guru

Or maybe you could get some common sense and think - Hold on! Secret outpost no-one's ever seen before?! Wow this can't be right *map out* If you thought it was some new update (as someone tried to say), well - read update notes on wiki kthx.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

11 Jan 2008 at 20:59 - 709

Like I said in my post on 43 .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. Those acting like the 117 were horrible people that knew they would get in trouble are laying on the edrama. NOBODY was banned for getting a ferry to Duncan .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. There was NO reason for any of us to think we would be banned for doing it given NOBODY was banned or even warned for using it on Duncan.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 20:59 - 710

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Exactly, hence the fact 117 people were removed from playing, not arrested.

Just like the penalty box in a hockey game, they were removed.

isn't it after two minutse you can come back into the game this we are not allowed back in until...oh wait never...

imbanned2

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

11 Jan 2008 at 20:59 - 711

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clait

There is an old saying, "A lie told enough times becomes the truth."
Fact is if Anet said 2 + 2 = 5, there would be ignorant people that would by that. If you said "No, 2 +2 = 4," you would be calling Anets infallibility into question. They deam themselves gods on their game, and any opposition is heresy. It seams much easier to continue a lie by calling it a hack. When in reality the mechanics are no different then a simple ferry. Whatever Anet says becomes fact, whether it is logical or not.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> /agree and amen man.. thats the point and lol gaile gray said u are hackers! see who is saying that rofl.. now if was GM Elena or Ambar thats different

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 21:00 - 712

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

Then allow me to give you the correct information as you apparently have faulty information.

Duncan the Black run:

This run allowed you to bypass the first 4 parts of the quest to have access to duncan's chamber. You still did not automatically appear at Duncan the Black whenever you walked through the door. You had to finish the area, the same as if you had completed the other 4 parts to the quest. All it did was open the locked door for you to travel through to finish the end of the quest line. It DID NOT however, take you directly to him to be able to farm him over and over again every 10 minutes.

actually i think your a lil misinformed also my friend. this took you to fight his hoard first wich took aroud 30?40? mins with usren then you have to deal with the big guy and his cronies. im still not tootally up on duncan lol but it still sounds pretty familiar.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 21:00 - 713

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Not really

Once you got to Urgoz/Deep you could park your character there and repeatedly enter even though your alliance no longer owned the town.

Even though you can not run the mission, you can then enter Consulate docks again and again with the map - as well as get the ferries to other games.

And, even though you can beat Mallyx without doing the prerequisite quests - you do still have to beat him to get the reward.

Unless you are pretty familiar with the whole game - including the dynamics of DoA - it would not seem that different than the others. Obviously some of the banned were familiar enough with DoA to know that. But many certainly were not.

Mechanically the exploits all are map exploits.

But like i said, how many people did it and how extensive was the effect? This is what would measure wether a ban is truly justified.

Wether or not you knew it wasnt supposed to be like that (naive or stupid) only comes into question when you try to justify it as "oh i didnt know".

Clait

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

W/A

11 Jan 2008 at 21:01 - 714

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Anet is under no obligation to give you anything back.

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

chaoticimajar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mika Nakashima (Mika)

A/

11 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 715

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Or maybe you could get some common sense and think - Hold on! Secret outpost no-one's ever seen before?! Wow this can't be right *map out* If you thought it was some new update (as someone tried to say), well - read update notes on wiki kthx.

even so i bet you would have loved 88k an hour an armbrace in 3 hours you wouldn't have passed this up you say you would now but you wouldn't have don't lie don't comment back and i know so many more people would of if they had the chance you'll deny it but you would have

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

11 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 716

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Like I said in my post on 43 .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. Those acting like the 117 were horrible people that knew they would get in trouble are laying on the edrama. NOBODY was banned for getting a ferry to Duncan .. this was no different than the Duncan ferry. There was NO reason for any of us to think we would be banned for doing it given NOBODY was banned or even warned for using it on Duncan.

The Duncan ferry was in it from the start of the game (technically, this too, but..you know), was pretty obvious and well known and most importantly, DID NOT require you to jump through hoops to get to an outpost that was never mentioned nor shows up on any map.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

even so i bet you would have loved 88k an hour an armbrace in 3 hours you wouldn't have passed this up you say you would now but you wouldn't have don't lie don't comment back and i know so many more people would of if they had the chance you'll deny it but you would have

88k per hour vs losing all that money AND my account.
Though choice...I think I'll keep my account and make money in a way that doesn't exploit the game.

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 717

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Mechanically the exploits all are map exploits.

But like i said, how many people did it and how extensive was the effect? This is what would measure wether a ban is truly justified.

Wether or not you knew it wasnt supposed to be like that (naive or stupid) only comes into question when you try to justify it as "oh i didnt know".

i hope everyone past the id dint know myself. the first run or two i was lost as hell. but common sense does kick in lol.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 718

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clait

I am not obligated to buy their next expansion or GW2. People vote with their dollars. People also have a tendency to tell others why or why not to buy a product. Its called Viral Marketing. This kind of situation is just bad publicity for Anet.

Anet banning game exploiters seems like good marketing to me.

Protecting the game seems an admirable trait.

Venus Anu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

11 Jan 2008 at 21:03 - 719

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

okay, this a full mini guide how the mallyx/hidden town WAS done. this post is purly for educational purposes only and to clear up some FACT's and myth's

After knowing the truth about the town you will realise that it was a accident that could have been found by anyone who ever uses DoA and fught mallyx.

First of all. you need to have completed the first 4 areas and have the mallyx quest open in your log.

now, you then went in to kill mallyx as you would have done normaly to complete the quest. While in with mallyx (or the bit just before or mallyx himself it doesnt matter) your party then wipes (doesnt matter if your alone or in a team)

once your a squishy mess on the floor and the quest failed you press G and map to your guild hall (which you could have done anyways because you were miffed that you just failed)

you then can (from your guild hall) press the G and map back from your guild (yeh i know ill map back to DoA and get another team to try again) but NO !! you accidently get to the "hidden citadel of mallyx" secret town. so providing you dont leave your guild, you can hit G and map there as much as you like.

the only REQ to take other people there are: They also must have faced mallyx at some point it doesnt matter when it also doesnt matter if the other people have the mallyx quest or not. but they must be able to get to your guild hall (guild member or guest invite)

so you can map people there, once the people are there you change char and get a guild member (who you just maped to the town) to map you there.

Also in the town there is a "Enter Misson" button on the party info at the side

so now you all go in, kill mallyx or fail as normal.

when done, you all map out to DoA to get the quest again. and with your other char that still holds the town you map everyone there again and repeat.

Error in the programing.... should not be a permanent ban.
Punishment Yes, people knew what they were doing. Permanent Ban NO.

Just like the mapping to unopened areas on the map, /resign didn't type itself. No one was punished for that.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

11 Jan 2008 at 21:03 - 720

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

even so i bet you would have loved 88k an hour an armbrace in 3 hours you wouldn't have passed this up you say you would now but you wouldn't have don't lie don't comment back and i know so many more people would of if they had the chance you'll deny it but you would have

Don't try to ask a question then answer it (5132409832 times) yourself. No i wouldn't have. Know why? Because exploiting is against the EULA and would warrant a ban. Sure i'd love 88k. I earn it.