[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008

myrealnameismatt

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:35 - 561
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
Some of the various Pre-searing map exploits were done by using existing in game mechanics of map travel. This exploit also is about map travel.

I think Anet needs to sit down and double-check all their map travel code.

Anet might have believed that a third party program was used to discover the outpost (since this is outside what they can monitor), rather than being accidental.
That to me seems like a reasonable explanation - i'm sure a lot of the people who were banned had no clue that a hack was used (assuming it was a hack), it really did look like something left behind by the developers by accident that might have been found by accident. And I think maybe A-net might want to employ some different bug testers generally, perhaps the people who found this glitch should be given a job rather than a ban lol. I hope that guild wars 2 isn't so full of holes as GW 1 - please let me know if it is or not because I, and probably quite a few other people, are not going to be buying it.

TheRaven

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Virginia

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:37 - 562
Was it a 3rd party hack or was it a map travel exploit? That seems to be the main argument at this point. Here's my theory:

They are both true.

This is plausible and probably pretty close to the truth. A hacker uses a 3rd party program to hack the gw.dat client and discover all these hidden outposts. Perhaps there are 20 such outposts in the game and the hacker sees that their is a lot of money to be made if he can access this particular one in the DOA. His hack can't map his characters into the outpost however, it can only show him where they are.

Next he uses the hack to discover that this outpost is indeed used during the mallyx quest although it's use is invisible to players. Using this information he discovers how to map there during the mallyx quest using the method Truzo described and uses the GH trick to map others there.

Most likely there is truth to both sides. Only a mapping exploit and a full blown hack.

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

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IOWA

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:40 - 563
Again if a game has an exploit in it and its their fault they simply go back and delete everything they made from it and let them keep playing on their way. It should do just as other games have done when a person goes to jail for taking a joy ride in someone elses car and causes no damages to the car they still get a second chance and eventually they let them out of jail to prove that their not really a bad person just their human quality of wanting something a little more in life took over. now these people did it in a game why cant anet simply take what they gained have gail gray get on to each individual account that people care about and take all their money even if it wasnt made from the exploit because apparently they can count how many times a person did it so they can count up how much money they would have made off of it and simply take it away.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

11 Jan 2008 at 19:42 - 564
Hmm very interesting it could have just been a variation of the serious guild hall mapping problems yet they called it a client hack. I don't get why.

Either way there's no excuse for farming millions of gold through it. There's no way you can say that you didn't know the severity of ease of profiting from the exploit was exactly the kind of thing to get you banned. If you only did it a couple times, argue with support for riding your ass without fairness, but if you did it 10 times to a 1000 times who are you kidding.

If anything I'm worried they didn't ban enough people and there's thousands of more armbrace that shouldn't exist.

I D E L E T E D I

I D E L E T E D I

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:43 - 565
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRaven
Was it a 3rd party hack or was it a map travel exploit? That seems to be the main argument at this point.
Yeah thats the question. And seeing as Gaile Gray has already branded it as being a Hack, there is no way that this statement of her will be taken back or changed. Because lets face it, how would that look for Anet and how would that make Gaile look like??

myrealnameismatt

Ascalonian Squire

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:45 - 566
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Why, because members of their "top" alliance got banned? I'm guessing you're saying top, as in - FFF capital holders. What a lolfest.
FFF alliances = BIG alliances with lots of people who play GW a LOT, highly organised communities with 1000's of people who come together to play guildwars and do titles. It's not just a handful of people who have been affected by this it is literally a massive community of 1000's.

I D E L E T E D I

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:49 - 567
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
wow.........Gaile has an impressive list of recent lies.

wonder how she's gonna spin this one.......
i can answer that :P
Like always she is going to avoid this forum for a month or so and then come back on here when she has some really big news^^

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:49 - 568
Anyone who says they have played the game for 2+ years and fell for this should stay banned for being SMRT. Anyone with a brain would know that this is not right as soon as a Guest invite pops up from the party leader in the DOA. You do not ever need a guest invite to do anything PvE wise except for AB when you want to go lux and kurz side, thus if you get one you should know this is not normal and leave the party. It is your fault for falling for this and you should stay banned.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:50 - 569
Quote:
Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
wow.........Gaile has an impressive list of recent lies.

wonder how she's gonna spin this one.......
Look for an 18-minute gap in the ArenaNet data logs.

Gaile could very well be lying, as obviously she can't provide any proof.

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:50 - 570
Makes you wonder how far it could have gone if not discovered ehh?

doubt it coulda went on forever, this is gw after all lol

SirJackassIII

SirJackassIII

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:50 - 571
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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
Ok third Option, sit down and think for yourself. If it was a hack its still possible now and people would still be able to profit off it. If it indeed was a hack people will find a different way to hack into it. Since i do believe Anet are clever enough to have tightened the securty in that particular part of the DAT file. But that still doesnt change the fact the exploit is still there.
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Fixed an exploit that could allow players access to certain locked outposts.
That'd mean they can't hack into it anymore -if it was a hack- unless they manage to change things serverside. Which is a whole damn lot more difficult that a -assumed- clientside hack. If it was indeed a GH bug, then the fix should still be enough to keep them out.

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So your saying anyone who used an exploit should get the ban hammer smacked at them? Assume for 2 min that this Hack theory is false. Do you still think they should ahve gotten banned? If the Hack story was false dont you think it brings this exploit down to the level of the slavers bug? Then why did no one who used the slavers bug get banned?
Yes, they should have been banned for this exploit, even if it wasn't a hack. This is nothing like the SE run. The SE run was more of a bug than an exploit, and a lot more common knowledge than the exploit we have right here. It was comparable to doing Final Assault with only 1 person in the party having the quest active. The bug on the other hand was in it from day one, so it could have been intended.
This one on the other hand requires a lot of going around of ways to turn something that wasn't intended like FA into an FA-like situation. Not to mention the profits of this are a lot higher than both FA and SE runs. I mean, SE was "get a group in Umbral that has 1 person that did all 4 areas and do Duncan", after which that 1 person completed the quest and someone else needed to be found that had at least done all 4 areas, making it less repeatable. The DoA run could be done over and over and over again at several times the profit in 1/6-1/3 of the time.

I D E L E T E D I

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:52 - 572
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Originally Posted by IslandHermet
Anyone who says they have played the game for 2+ years and fell for this should stay banned for being SMRT. Anyone with a brain would know that this is not right as soon as a Guest invite pops up from the party leader in the DOA. You do not ever need a guest invite to do anything PvE wise except for AB when you want to go lux and kurz side, thus if you get one you should know this is not normal and leave the party. It is your fault for falling for this and you should stay banned.
lololololololololol is all i can seriously say about that xD
I get loads of guest invites when i acctually DO team up for PvE. So next time i do Urgoz i wont join the team of people i have played with many times jsut cos thanks to you i know they must be using an exploit.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

11 Jan 2008 at 19:52 - 573
Quote:
Originally Posted by i am a princess
how in the hell can you think an exploit and a hack are the same thing. no-one broke the 3rd party rule. some idiot found out about this hidden outpost and told someone, who told someone who told someone. nothing wrong in that. just love the fact that Anets taking no responsibility over it.
Doesn't justify exploiting the game.

Lets make things clear:
Ferry to Consulate Dock ----------> EXPLOIT

The question is how severe and how damaging an exploit is.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:53 - 574
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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt
FFF alliances = BIG alliances with lots of people who play GW a LOT, highly organised communities with 1000's of people who come together to play guildwars and do titles. It's not just a handful of people who have been affected by this it is literally a massive community of 1000's.
i've been in both cavalon and hzh alliance for months farming my kurzick/luxon points a lot.
many guilds / people are actualy friendly and fun to play with, but there are A LOT of dishonest players who farmed MILIONS of faction points using bots, people trying to sell guild leadership in "house zu heltzer alliance" for real $$$, and generaly the worst group of people hunting for exploits i've ever seen in the whole game.

top alliance? 1000 people who play together and do titles? some of them for sure. but if u wanna go hunt the worst game exploiters u will find them in cavalon and hzh alliances

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

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P/W

11 Jan 2008 at 19:53 - 575
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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel
Give us one good reason why we should believe you?
You dont have to. i cant proove it anymore is im banned and they decided to make the town secure.

if your lucky Anet might decide to tell the players what actualy happend. until then believe what you like lol

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:53 - 576
Quote:
Originally Posted by IslandHermet
Anyone who says they have played the game for 2+ years and fell for this should stay banned for being SMRT. Anyone with a brain would know that this is not right as soon as a Guest invite pops up from the party leader in the DOA. You do not ever need a guest invite to do anything PvE wise except for AB when you want to go lux and kurz side, thus if you get one you should know this is not normal and leave the party. It is your fault for falling for this and you should stay banned.
ya maybe, but again going with this logic. if this isnt a hack. IF then alotta exploiters shoulda disapeared perm a long time ago (duncan)

myrealnameismatt

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:55 - 577
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Originally Posted by Trub
Makes you wonder how far it could have gone if not discovered ehh?
Well I can only speak for a handful of people but.. when most of us saw the exploit we understood that if this got out to the general guildwars community it would probably end up in a roll-back or something else as hideous and it's not like we don't care about the game we play all day - thats why it wasn't common knowledge, not so much to profit from it, but to not screw up the game. Maybe, considering what has happened, it would have been better to go down to shing jea or wherever and shout it from the hilltops, like the other commonplace glitches that are found on a regular basis (I mean they have to update the game EVERY week for something or other) as it would have resulted in them removing the exploit (just looked on wiki - ooh there it is..) rather than banning people..

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:55 - 578
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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt
FFF alliances = BIG alliances with lots of people who play GW a LOT, highly organised communities with 1000's of people who come together to do FFF
They do play alot of GW only because it takes alot of 2 min runs to max the AB titles.

I fixed that since you now FFF is fast faction farming which has a very detailed calculator on wiki on how long it will take in exact mins and points and days to max this title.

And 1 more thing FFF guilds=players acting like bots not players involved in playing the game.

Mickey

Mickey

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:56 - 579
I used it 7 times, I counted the green weapons I had gotten via a friend's forum, and the people I gave them to. I did it once to complete the quest, then 6 times to farm. I did not know it was an exploit, I will not restate myself, I was a noob.

I D E L E T E D I

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:56 - 580
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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII
That'd mean they can't hack into it anymore -if it was a hack- unless they manage to change things serverside. Which is a whole damn lot more difficult that a -assumed- clientside hack. If it was indeed a GH bug, then the fix should still be enough to keep them out.
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Update - Sunday, December 30, 2007
Bug Fixes
* Fixed an exploit which allowed players to access outposts they had not previously unlocked.


Update - Thursday, December 20, 2007

*Fixed a bug that gave players premature access to an area they hadn't previously visited.
Only because they say they fixed something doesnt means its true, and if i acctually knew something about hacking a Dat file, it wouldnt be that hard to find a way around their little fix, since they have not taken out the outpost.

lyra_song

lyra_song

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:56 - 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by i am a princess
its an exploit that ANET CREATED. why should players have to pay for something that ANET did. why in the hell should those players who've spent god knows how much REAL life money into actually keeping up with the GW series.
Take responsibility for your actions.

Did you or did you not exploit the game?

Azarr#1

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:57 - 582
Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:57 - 583
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Originally Posted by Rexion
they left the outpost open, they should have closed it when they were finished. it is ANets fault for even keeping it there... there will always be a person to use something that the Devs didn't get rid of... ANet should unban all of these people, or I will have lost respect for all they have done (not like I haven't already... since the game is getting boring as it is)
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
The problem might just be the whole area is in fact to damn tough thus players who want the good stuff from there start looking for easier ways to get it because they simply just can't the conventional way. This would make it just as much Anet's fault as the ban players.

I mean Anet created the scenario, hung the carrots out of most everyone's reach, what did they expect would happen?
You both just said that it is anets fault they got hacked?! WTF. Thats like saying "its her own fault she got raped. She shouldn't have looked so good."

Where do you get your reasoning?

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Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.
This is a video game. If you were given the "death penalty" you would just pop up at the nearest rez shrine

Drop of Fear

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:58 - 584
Quote:
Originally Posted by truzo 117
but the skinnies of it. if anet made hidden towns more secure and checked for thing like this rather than nerfing para none of this would have hapend. its a pure accident how it came about
pure accident? don't make the whole cumunity laugh at these pointless statements.
u have been dishonest, account is banned. a.net wont chance is policy and hopefully bad exploiters will stay banned. live with it. u're wasting time crying here

Mystique Huntress

Pre-Searing Cadet

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:59 - 585
Quote:
Originally Posted by i am a princess
its an exploit that ANET CREATED. why should players have to pay for something that ANET did. why in the hell should those players who've spent god knows how much REAL life money into actually keeping up with the GW series.
So, people who can't maintain self control and say no to something "available" to them that they know is wrong and against the rules shouldn't be banned?

Heh.

myrealnameismatt

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11 Jan 2008 at 19:59 - 586
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Originally Posted by IslandHermet
They do play alot of GW only because it takes alot of 2 min runs to max the AB titles.

I fixed that since you now FFF is fast faction farming which has a very detailed calculator on wiki on how long it will take in exact mins and points and days to max this title.

And 1 more thing FFF guilds=players acting like bots not players involved in playing the game.
You have obviously never been part of that community - HA players running the same 8 skills day in day out might be considered that same way. FFF was just the activity that bought us together - there were many many people who played all aspects of the game with many maxed out titles, helping and supporting each other to become better pve'rs. There is nothing like a common goal to bring people together in the game and I for one think that our community was one of the most close-knit in the game.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:01 - 587
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.
That's right, it's all fun and games.

Just like when Enron execs take advantages of disparities in the stock market to help crash the economy in their attempts to make money.

The EULA clearly states that you are not to attempt to hack the server, or whatnot.

ANet could have left that outpost open for their own purposes, maybe they need it for testing, as has been said before.

Just because there's opportunity to do harm, doesn't mean you're right in doing so.

The moral bankruptcy of many of these posts confound me.

Jake_Steel

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:01 - 588
Quote:
Originally Posted by i am a princess
how in the hell can you think an exploit and a hack are the same thing. no-one broke the 3rd party rule. some idiot found out about this hidden outpost and told someone, who told someone who told someone. nothing wrong in that. just love the fact that Anets taking no responsibility over it.
Except you know we've had independant verification that the EXPLOIT was FOUND using a 3rd party program to hack the CLIENT.

It was a HACK that opened an exploit.

Ban hammer HO!

rath no more

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:02 - 589
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.
hell man i told them to strip my account bare and kill my toons make me start over. id rather lose it all and be able to start over again legit again then have to live with this over my head let alone lose my account heh.

SirJackassIII

SirJackassIII

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:02 - 590
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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
Only because they say they fixed something doesnt means its true, and if i acctually knew something about hacking a Dat file, it wouldnt be that hard to find a way around their little fix, since they have not taken out the outpost.
Those were 3 different kinds of explois/bugs, neither are related. If anything, it makes it more likely this was a hack and not an exploit since the Dec 30 one "fixed" the GH traveling. The current one probably locks the outposts for anyone that's not a GM, which would be checked by the server and thus really, really hard to circumvent.

Rocky Raccoon

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:02 - 591
If it sounds to good to be true it usually is, and should be avoided. People must have known something didn't seem right but they still went ahead and did it. You can't then claim ignorance and expect no punishment. It is sad that those who have invested so much time in the game would jeopardize that for such a stupid reason.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:03 - 592
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Again alot of you like the death penalty. Its not always the way to go simply go into the game and undo all that they took most of the people wouldnt mind if they did that its called a simple penalty not a total kill off are all of you from texas and think thats the way to go even if its in a game you cant just start killing off people that actually want to play and were willing to play GW2 because their human and want to try a simple little joy ride in the games glitches and ingame mechanics.
At least you're not passing the blame. I commend you for that.

Heres my take. I think if the exploit was accessible to more players, you would not have been banned, since its not a FEW players but a LOT of players.

Banning a lot of players for what would have seemed like a common thing would have been unreasonable. For example, the Consulate Docks ferry exploit.

The Mallyx exploit was only done by a few players (relatively speaking) and could only have been activated by few players (if truzo is to be believed).

This makes it much much more dangerous than a well known/common exploit.

If everyone learned it and could do it from day 1, and it became common knowledge, no one would have been banned. Trust me.

There comes a point when TOO MANY players have done it that banning them all becomes unreasonable.

But when its still a few, banning is what Anet wants to do.

Ebony Shadowheart

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:04 - 593
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Originally Posted by Azarr#1
WOW alot of people think that the death penalty is everything apparently and you make one mistake you should be killed they caused no damages to the economy. its a game it can be undone I think everyone is from texas or something. None of these people stole anything from the rest of the players. If someone robs a bank and their caught they can just give the money back to the bank that they stole it from and give the robbers a simple jail sentance and let them try to live on again.
I believe hackers should be banned. An those that use that hacked 'exploit' aren't really any better.

Now, in this we are arguing is it a hack (that people took advantage of) or was just it a glitch left by anet? We have arguments from both sides, some say its a hack (Gaile being one of them, but she can only tell us what she's told to tell us. Don't shoot the messenger ppl) and we have others claiming its just another bug/glitch.

Here's my thoughts:

If its actually a hack job (which at this point I'm inclined to believe), the ban is just. People can whine all they want, but I feel it should stand.

If it's just another bug, as others are claiming, then I can agree with a temp-ban and removing all the stuff they got from exploiting it.

Either way, this was wrong and they knew it and some punishment is required.

Clait

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:04 - 594
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Originally Posted by Aiden Arcana
hahahaha I LOVE that "Its already proven. Gaile said it." So Gaile NEVER makes a mistake? Hmm I remember a little green frog...Gaile=Human humans make mistakes.Take your parents for example. So to base fact on what one person says was your mistake. I have already stated i was one of the 117 who as Gaile says it "HACKED the .DAT file." Okay could someone PLEASE point me in the direction of this .DAT file, if im going to get banned for it, migyht as well know what IT is.
There is an old saying, "A lie told enough times becomes the truth."
Fact is if Anet said 2 + 2 = 5, there would be ignorant people that would by that. If you said "No, 2 +2 = 4," you would be calling Anets infallibility into question. They deam themselves gods on their game, and any opposition is heresy. It seams much easier to continue a lie by calling it a hack. When in reality the mechanics are no different then a simple ferry. Whatever Anet says becomes fact, whether it is logical or not.

X Artimus X

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:05 - 595
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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
top alliance? 1000 people who play together and do titles? some of them for sure. but if u wanna go hunt the worst game exploiters u will find them in cavalon and hzh alliances
Wow, taking shots at cavalon and hzh alliances? I too have been in these alliances and found nothing but kind people. I'm sure there are bad apples in every bushell. To down a whole alliance for the actions of some? racist much?

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Trub

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:06 - 596
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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt
You have obviously never been part of that community - HA players running the same 8 skills day in day out might be considered that same way. FFF was just the activity that bought us together - there were many many people who played all aspects of the game with many maxed out titles, helping and supporting each other to become better pve'rs. There is nothing like a common goal to bring people together in the game and I for one think that our community was one of the most close-knit in the game.
I'm taking a wild stab in the dark here..lemme guess...there's a smidge over 100 'gamers' standing with you at the time of your 'common goal(s)'?
PLEASE STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXPLOITING OF OUR GAME WITH SUGARY PHRASES!!
(excuse my yelling yall)
It just rubs me the wrong way when I see those that cannot grasp the fact that when you break a rule..you pay for it in the manner as stated in the EULA.
No what if's...no 'but just my items and gold can be taken away.'
Banned means BANNED.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:06 - 597
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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
lololololololololol is all i can seriously say about that xD
I get loads of guest invites when i acctually DO team up for PvE. So next time i do Urgoz i wont join the team of people i have played with many times jsut cos thanks to you i know they must be using an exploit.


wow do not misunderstand my post that bad. lol you are special if you misunderstood that much. Never said anything about a exploit.

Urgoz and deep are different no clue why you put that up.

As for DOA tho you should know that if you get a guest invite and ported to the guild hall something is wrong and you should leave. the one thing that should scream this is not right is when you to the mallyx's citidel outpost and another should be the enter mission, and no high priest. 3 huge things that scream this is wrong and I should not be in here.

bobbylr

bobbylr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Drunks Really Know Nothing [DRKN]

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:06 - 598
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puritans Aid
I have to reply to some of this, I simply cant keep quiet, PLUS im extremely bored, as the time I ussually spend playing guild wars, is now being spent lobbying for my account back, and reading this forum.

First let me tell some people, 2 man, fow, hard mode, ever done it? I have never been in a run when I didnt make 10k. NEver, the runs take about 20 minutes. On a good run I might make 100k. *IE gold r9 perfect chaos axe drop*.. 60k an hour is an estimation of averages. OK Another thing< i farm middle of night, when least ppl are on gw. U might think that doesnt matter, but I have recorded 60% better drop rates on ecto and shards during hours when there are less players on.

About my noobedness. Apparently everyone here thinks everyone who "exploited this" did it knowingly, that its a haxor, et etc. My friend last night, got on his alt account, with no hax whatso ever obtained this town again, then left. took dated screen shots to prove it.

OK! bug fixed a net? lie to me more.

I HONESTLY didnt know it was something not allowed. I had done urgoz/the deep. The towns are very simular. I had done all 4 previous parts to this quest. I had no idea you had to re do them over and over, as the ONLY time I've ever done any of it was this way., and then only to the extent of 1 armbrace, which litterally cost me more than i made.

I miss my account greatly. I loved guild wars. I was unkowingly doing something wrong, and I am punished for it. I am paranoid of even playing my alt, becuase if I buy EOTN or play it, and aquire things, How am i to know it wont get banned in a months time>?

It had been a month since I did this mallyx run. I did perhaps a max total of 25 runs, with only 15 success, IE 1 armbrace, in a 2 month time frame. I thought it was an update to the game, a legit town. I was wrong. I am a noob retard, OK .

I am sorry that I used it, I would help a net to find a culprit if there was one, and I would give up all the gold and green malyx weapons on my account for it back.

does any of this help my case, EULA or no? I doubt it. If they end up banning 1000 ppl, who would care? They get to sell 4 million copies.

My 400Dollars or so isnt crap to them. And neither is my honesty, compasion, in game experiance etc. As I stated before, I probably give away more gold than most ppl make in a day.

I do also perhaps make more gold, (than most) but if you farm PST 2 am to 4 am, FOW and UW hard mode 2 man, you will make 60k an hr average. If u have a brain and dont continual fail.

I agree, maybe I was guilty by idiocy. Its happened to many people before, and I stand up and say, what I did was wrong. IT was wrong of me not to realize it was not legit. It was wrong of me to do it.

That said, When I first got urgoz mapped onmy guild hall/urgoz guy (ranger) I kept that barrage ranger in GH/urgoz map status for a year) I guess I should have reported that to anet as a glitch. surely there cant be some hidden super mission where 12 ppl can go! It cant be legit right? NO I took it as a matter of course in the game, just asi I took THE DEEP, URGOZ, Ebon citedel of mallyx.

I really didnt know. Question me all you want, If my alt doesnt get banned, I will even show you all how to farm UW/fow.

but dont call me a liar any more please. I dont lie. I dont cheat.

Thanks for all the posts. The careing shown by a good portion of the comunity has me hopeful of a repeal of the perm ban on my account. If A net doesnt repeal the ban, I guess World or war craft will have to be my vice, if they do, I look forward to buying the pvp unlocks, and learning a part of the game I dont know anything about.

Thanks to everyone, thanks gaile gray, for confusing us further , and most of all, be honest, fair, and have a fun time in a fun game. Stop flaming ppl who are honest, and calling them hacker/cheater/loosers. Most of us arent. to my guildies and my friends,
Some of you guys did perhaps over farm this. I know we didnt realize it was wrong/bannable, but some of you with your rich ass alts now.. pft. ouch. sry gw community I guess
to the rest of you unfairly banned, I wish us all good luck in getting our accounts back. good honest players, Fun to play with, great people. Thanks for making my guild wars experiance unique, fun, and most of all, un noobish.

special thanks to
" Jz husband. I loved playing with you. if one or the other of us dont get our accounts back, please play wow with me, or some other game. Our friendship isnt GW deep.
to
TAGNE= your a stud. lets pound some WOW ppl and show them what gamings about
Chris, both of you, your great guys, looking forward to COD + wow with ya in the future
the guild leader - Sorry you werent online the last 4 months. we missed ya. hope your not in jail.
azaaarr---- pwnage ftw! if any 2 monks in guild wars were as good as you and I , I never met them. TY for all the good farming.
our chinamen, your awsome, even if the caffien does sometimes go to your head. WOW with us?
I know im leaving a bunch out, but I only want to name ones who named themselves, or who i could think of a clever way to name them without anyone elese knowing who they are.. lol

great great group of gamers, the guild wars communities loss if our bans stick.

To all those who say its not a loss, You dont know us, and wont, so dont judge people. in a few months if you get into something that you dont know is wrong, and get banned for it, you wont have us around to console you.

ALL OTHERS, enjoy the game. Its fun.

To all PRE farmers. Its the real joy of the game. dont let it die ever!!

*lvl 15 in pre warrior ftw!!!*

peace.
Go puritan
Mabey we get our account back.

I D E L E T E D I

I D E L E T E D I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

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11 Jan 2008 at 20:07 - 599
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirJackassIII
Those were 3 different kinds of explois/bugs, neither are related. If anything, it makes it more likely this was a hack and not an exploit since the Dec 30 one "fixed" the GH traveling. The current one probably locks the outposts for anyone that's not a GM, which would be checked by the server and thus really, really hard to circumvent.
thats what i thought initially. But if that is the case then we wouldnt be able to complete the mallyx quest since we "access" this outpost when fighting him.

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

11 Jan 2008 at 20:08 - 600
I reported this exploit to ArenaNet the 9th November 2007, they could easily have fixed it and nobody would be banned. They don't care about this game, all they want is money, and they will only fix exploits once they get known by the community. I still have 5 MAJOR exploits in Guild Wars that are NOT fixed but ArenaNet knows about them since at least some months.

Btw I want to add just for the irony of it: I still have 2 ways of accessing that secret outpost. And I don't consider those as MAJOR exploits like the ones I said above.