Avatar of Balthazar

We are stilling go to see AoM being run because not being able to get blinded in PvP is worth the 25 energy. But then again [skill]sight beyond sight[/skill] might see some more use.

Avatar of Balthazar is a great skill for when you throw a build together and realize you don't have an elite. It's something that's only marginally effective, but requires no thought to build around.

No even then aob still fails

also that spike is actually really good with lyssa the extra energy is so nice. And the plus uber dmg to anyone who is activating skills makes me spike like old school sins against eles or monks

So you trade a speed boost + automatic warrior & ranger armor bonus bypasser + 40 armor against an hypotethical 34dmg and some more energy when you're doing fine with balth's? I can understand the melandru/balthasar or even balthasar/grenth debate but there is none concerning this build and lyssas.

Balthasar was trash because there was no good deep wound skill to bring when you take it. Now that you have one, which is free thanks to attacker's insight, it becomes quite good.

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exactly

also lyssa if you know how to do it right is much better for dmg than the holy dmg that AoB puts out.

So still even with the buffs
AoL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AoB

i dont think there is enough room on a post to show the skill difference

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Yeah and AoB gives you all in one slot. Since you don't need your elite, that's good bar compression. You'd need a speed boost, a special scythe for warior, and would have to be carful positioning yourself with your 70al. AoB gives you all that + you can overextend a little without being instantly spiked down. Enough for me to call it good.

And lol at buffs being useless. Last time I saw people carried an elemental scythe to bypass warriors armor, and a running stance to avoid being kited. The 40armor comes as a plus. Far from being useless.

Anyway i've been testing it for 3hours today and AoB was the elite I was having the best results with.

AoL's damage is certainly nice but not on a spike bar like the one i'm talking about. Again i'm only talking about that bar.

please read and stop being RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing aggressive. You're not putting your life in so great danger that you would need to be rude and allThis is a freacking game and a we're writing on a forum to discuss options.

**NEWSFLASH:I SAID I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PIOUS+CHILLING SPIKE BAR.**

so in order since I wont enter quotewars which seems to be the forum game lately.

no you don't need your elite on that.

You need a speed boost to avoid being kited.

Special scythe for warriors = elemental scythe. remember they have +20 against physical? that's 20% AL penetration on each hit. You can keep on using a 20/20 mod for a 36% penetration. LOLWUT again pls.

You have no idea how I play.

please, repeat me that 33% speed boost and 40al is useless. please do. I really want to laugh.

3 hours was enough to come across a lot of builds ran these days, and the build destroyed a lot of them. We won against deer (And I salute them 'cause they were nice enough to recognize their defeat on their 15th) and hurt PnH (while lagging like hell) both running "lame" paraspike, to me they're not bad players, that must mean that the build isn't complete trash.

Melandru allows more flexibility but comparing both spikewise,i'd say the AoB spike hits harder, and is harder to prot. I'm done arguing anyway, people seem to be stubborn on their 2005 bars. I'll just continue running that bar sometimes and rape unaware people that just laugh and ignore me when I cast AoB. If you like that's part of the strategy of this spike.
Also what you call "godmode tree", is just imba, immunity for conditions is just too good. I still don't see why the "lose one condition on hit" clause hasn't been implemented. Or make dwayna immune to hexes to be logic at least.

You won't get lyssa's bonus on every hit except on an ele casting meteor shower while bashed by a lyssa dervish. See that often in gvg? No because good players don't cast 2s+ spells in those situations. So I come up with the conclusion that lyssa is good against bad players. Otherwise you'd see it ran.

PS: i'd like to note again that you said that 33%speed boost and 40AL was bad, and that you hit warrior with physical scythes. That's just too funny comming from someone who tries to appear as a top player.

EDIT: I keep editing this post so you might want to read it again

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I agree on the ele scythe when AoB is down, forgot that and you're right. Though what I mean is that you get a damage type you can't protect against (understand +xal shields or +type armor insignias), and unstrippable speed boost or armor buff. People wouldn't want to take armor buffs on dervishes when it take one more slot and is either a stance or in a bad attribute line. this comes as a plus, the main bonuses from AoB are 33% IaM and damage conversion in one slot instead of 3 in a bar that doesn't require a specific elite.

You might want to note again that I'm talking about the recent AoB bar being ran. But Basically:
You want a deep wound. options? wearying melandru, ok, won't argue its maybe the best tho more prot-able and shorter duration.
Wounding strike? I'm not taht fan of that bar but why not.
Then comes pious assault. What elite would you want to go with that? earth prayers ones, yeah right. Scythe mastery? you already got a deep wound. Wind? hum grenth grasp could be fun but too easily dealt with.

Mysticism. If we're looking closely only avatars are worth something. We won't take melandru, because we'd run wearying strike in that case. Dwayna is weirdo, no real hex heavy build are being ran, so no real point in taking that. I already explained why I thought lyssa was sub-part to me. I can understand why people like it but it's too random for me.

Stay grenth or balths. But what I don't like with grenth is that the foe has to remain enchanted to become stronger i.e. target is protected by whatever enchant. Plus, when taking AoB, you carry 1-2 disenchants. So your target isn't protected by enchants when using balths when spiking. Your problem is stances (god I hate frenzied defense when playing melee). But then again the chances that a monk is under SB/PS/SH when using stances is high, so grenth get no real bonus.

AoB because the best dervish option to take when you want to take pious assault.
Note that I said dervish, it's true that this build could use a secondary.

This is how I view the choice of taking AoB. You are free to demonstrate that some other elite is good to take (as long as you don't insult people).

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I don't even see the point of this discussion and argument.
GW is a situational game, meaning sometimes one avatar will have advantage over another, while in the other situation tides may turn.

AoB sees a lot of DECENT use lately and even though I'm not a big fan of it I must admit that when it comes to RA I mainly choose this particular avatar, because additional armor kindda saves me the self-healing/prot slot.
Add mending touch and you become an important and efficient team member.
When it comes to more advanced PvP like GvG or TA this build also has some uses. Even in TA people more often tend to "lf balth derv" seeing how efficent this bar can be while played by a good player.
But I still prefer Grenth/Tree though.

Of course in PvE AoB is stil shit.

You don't have to wait for skills with Lyssa. You can attack normally anyway, it just won't trigger the damage bonus. The fact is, though, most targets will usually be activating skills in PvE or PvP, so it will still work. As stated above, even attack skills qualify.

Also, you can put disenchants on a Melandru bar if you feel like it. It doesn't use up any more slots by itself than Balthazar does.

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I would normally agree with those arguing that AoB is trash, however its ok in the chilling/pious bar. Personally i would never run it over melandru, but i can see why some people play it. I have seen a couple of guilds run it on observer and they used it with deaths charge to teleport inside bases and clean out NPC's, i assume they used AoB in this build for it's durability while having to extend beyond healing range.
Just to be clear, I am not saying AoB is good, only that in this particular build its not that bad, though i would still take melandru over it any day.

Lyssa is only nice in low-end PvP
AoB becomes better when doing high-end PvP

still prefer grenth over balthazar, however with the bars popping up lately I don't mind if someone is running balthazar. The buffs are just great and unremovable. Even a warrior can't have both an IAS and speed buff at the same time (at least not until Windborne Speed becomes good)

actually in higher end pvp I have been seeing a huge inscrease of lyssa dervishs being called for

Actually, today I saw on observer as dR run 2 AoM dervishes - both with chilling+pious combo, with AI and grenth's aura. Doh?

not really the immunity to conidtions is still ownage and the plus health helps to boost chilling.
the interesting this is that i found out with the lyssa build you dont need attackers insight to hit the chain a couple of times.

and even running a zelous scythe i gain enough energy to re spike when it all recharges.

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cause this is due to removing enchantments when you need to.

lolol?

please start thinking before posting -- i'm sick of all this crap in here.

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Lax beat uF in the tour on observer mode now with avatars of balthazar. It only took 6 minutes. It looks like this build needs a nerf.

I can't quite work out whether that's sarcastic or not. If I knew much about the two guilds in question I might have better luck.

Still, if AoB were nerfed ... I don't really want to think about that.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with AoB. The 2 skills in question are Pious Assault and Grenth's Aura, and I honestly don't have much of an opinion on either.

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The disenchant part is powerful but grenth's aura isn't the only spell that works like that. Intimidating aura could be used even tho it has 20s recharge, and as you already use chilling victory which has the same condition to trigger, it isn't much a problem...

Nerfing grenth's aura wouldn't do much imo.