The Xunlai Marketplace thread

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

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Trade system is being developed!

Known features that were figured out:

* It is bazaar, not auction house: sellers price is fixed, but it otherwise has all bells and whistles for comfortable trading.
* It is under active development with features that imply that its updated for newest features. It is also localized, which could imply release-readiness as localization is usually last step when preparing software for depoyment.
* Gaile or other representative has yet to deny or confirm it, don't get your hopes too high. Only official responses so far are:

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What is the Xunlai Market and why do you ask? -- Gaile 05:06, 22 January 2008
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I can tell you that ol' DAT file has a ton of stuff, from last year, this year, four years ago, three offices prior, a staff member's moving sale, somebody's gerbil's birth announcement, and more. Nothing really to say. *shrug* -- Gaile 01:38, 24 January 2008
Neither of them says anything of value.

Some specifics:

* You have to hold your item in inventory while it is being sold in marketplace. Purchased item is put directly to your inventory.
* List of items is searchable and filterable by categories. (So you can choose to see only, i.e. all Axe Hafts or All Upgrades ...)
* You can search for items based on which district you are in, but you can also search game globally.
* Tradeable items include these: Tomes, Weapon upgrades, Armor upgrades, Weapons, Consumables, Dyes, Minipets, and more.
* There will be fee for listing item in marketplace. Nature of fee is unknown, but it will be variable.
* You cannot sell unidentified items.

Some specifics that we cant be so sure about but which sound likely:

* You can continue selling even if you are in explorable area. (game disallows you to drop item that is listed in trade, you can only drop items in explorable)
* You possibly could sell/buy for over-100k sums. When you sell item money is added directly to stash and you can use stash money to make purchases.

Source: GWdat thread.

Strings were talking about:

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The Marketplace List has been deprecated. Please travel to Xunlai Market and look for the market button in the party panel. Thank you for testing this feature!
Trading Post List[s]
You cannot drop your %str1% while it is listed in the Marketplace.<p>Use a Marketplace List to remove the item from the market if you wish to drop it.
List
Unlist
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is customized.
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is currently equipped.
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is not tradable.
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is unidentified.
You must first select an item to sell.
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Marketplace
Unlist Item
Are you sure you want to unlist your %str1% from the Xunlai Market?<p>The listing cost will not be refunded.
Marketplace
If you drop your %str1%, it will be unlisted from the Xunlai Market.
Buy
Xunlai Market
List Item
Unlist Item
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is customized.
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is currently equipped.
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is not tradeable.
Your %str1% cannot be sold in the marketplace because it is unidentified.
You must first select an item to sell.
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Crafting Materials.
Weapons and Offhands
Supplies
Bags
Books
Consumables
Dyes
Celestial Sigils
Keys
Quest Items
Gifts
Scrolls
Tool Kits
There are no items for sale that match your search terms.
There are no items for sale in this game.
There are no items for sale in this district.
Only the oldest %num1% matching item[s] are shown for each search.
All Upgrade Types
Insignias
Runes
Hafts
Grips
Strings
Grips
Tangs
Handles
Cores
Hafts
Grips
Inscriptions
Wrappings
Snathes
Grips
Handles
Heads
Grips
Heads
Wrappings
Hilts
Pommels
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Listing Cost: %str1%n
You do not have enough gold to pay the listing cost.
You must enter a price for your item.

You cannot customize %str1% while it is listed in the marketplace. You can use a Marketplace List to unlist the item.
You cannot equip %str1% while it is listed in the marketplace. You can use a Marketplace List to unlist the item.
You cannot move %str1% to account storage while it is listed in the marketplace. You can use a Marketplace List to unlist the item.
You cannot split %str1% while it is listed in the marketplace. You can use a Marketplace List to unlist the item.
You cannot use %str1% while it is listed in the marketplace. You can use a Marketplace List to unlist the item.
You did not purchase [the] %str1% because you first need an empty inventory slot to carry it.

The requested item is unfortunately no longer available. It was either recently purchased by another player or removed by the seller.
You did not purchase [the] %str1% because you currently own it. You can use a Marketplace List to unlist the item.
You did not purchase [the] %str1% because the seller does not have enough free space to accept the market price of %str2%. The item is no longer listed.
Your %str1% was automatically unlisted because another player attempted to buy it while you did not have enough free space to accept the market price of %str2%!
You have purchased [the] %str1% through the marketplace for %str2%. To pay for the cost, %str3% was taken from you account storage.
You have purchased [the] %str1% through the marketplace for %str2%.
You have sold [an] %str1% through the marketplace! Since you cannot carry any more gold, the entire market price of %str2% has been added to your account storage.
You have sold [an] %str1% through the marketplace! The entire market price of %str2% has been added to your inventory.
You have sold [an] %str1% through the marketplace! After receiving %str2% of the market price, you could not carry any more gold, so the remaining %str3% was placed in your account storage.
The item you are about to purchase has been dedicated at a Hall of Monuments. You cannot dedicate items at your Hall of Monuments if they have been previously dedicated. Do you still want to buy [the] %str1% for %str2%?
The item you are about to purchase has a market price of %str1%, but you are only carrying %str2%. You can still buy the item, but %str3% will be taken from your account storage to cover the cost. Do you still want to buy the item?
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Marketplace
A large market where people from different parts of the world come together to trade their goods.
Also, some localized messages were found:

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Originally Posted by evenfall
La lista de mercados no ha sido aprobada. Vuelve al mercado de Xunlai y busca el botón "Mercado" en el panel de grupo. ¡Gracias por probar esta función!

Die Marktplatz-Liste wurde abgelehnt. Reist bitte zum Xunlai-Markt und sucht nach dem Markt-Button im Gruppenfeld. Danke, dass Ihr diese Option testet!

JeniM

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Join Date: May 2007

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basically a group of unsubstantiated rumors?

Unless Anet have commented on this coming I wouldn't recommend holding your breath

BenjZee

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lol if this si true, you guys have officially ruined the next big update

JeniM

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen
lol if this si true, you guys have officially ruined the next big update
Why is it ruined just because you know about it? it's function doesn't change no matter how many people knew about it before release

~ Dan ~

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Trade system is being developed!

* Gaile or other representative has yet to deny or confirm it, don't get your hopes too high.
So wtf was the point?

Don't start BS kkthx.

zwei2stein

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
So wtf was the point?

Don't start BS kkthx.
And what is your point, "kkthx" boy?

Things i mentioned are in game, coded and included in dat file. Solid stuff.

Skawtt

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Trade system is being developed!


Source: GWdat thread.

/rolls eyes

Ill wait till I see something official from the devs till then....meh.

maraxusofk

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sounds sweet. nice source decryption. too bad at this point in gw most people have all the items they could want.

ryanryanryan0310

ryanryanryan0310

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Atleast it sounds nice.

We'll wait and see.

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

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I think anything they ever developed or are developing they put in the gw.dat file. I don't think they'll finish that though >.>

RTSFirebat

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Even if this thing is real, why would anyone use it? I mean if it costs to list things in it, I'll just continue to use Guru Auctions were it costs me nothing to list of goods.

I'd buy from it, but not sell.

ryanryanryan0310

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Even if this thing is real, why would anyone use it? I mean if it costs to list things in it, I'll just continue to use Guru Auctions were it costs me nothing to list of goods.

I'd buy from it, but not sell.
It's another money sink.

It'll be something like you pay 100g per day that item is being auction. The traders got to make a profit.

Cebe

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Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310
It's another money sink.

It'll be something like you pay 100g per day that item is being auction. The traders got to make a profit.
Yes.. "got to" make a profit. If that were the cast I feel Emperor Kisu would have started taxing us by now to pay for all the bits of building we keep accidental burning with our Rodgort's Invocations. New title track announced: Taxation Title Track. Max tier: 10,000,000 gold robbed off you by the Canthan Empire.

Still, yea, you know that de-bug map, from the other thread, Gaile claimed could have dated from 2003/2004? Why couldn't this "material" have dated from a similar time, but ArenaNet decided to stop developping such a system?

zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Even if this thing is real, why would anyone use it? I mean if it costs to list things in it, I'll just continue to use Guru Auctions were it costs me nothing to list of goods.

I'd buy from it, but not sell.
Depends on costs.

Since you can use it to sell dyes, runes, tomes, scrolls and lowend upgrades cost of listing item should be a lot lower than their prices ... bascially less than 100 gold

If it costs anets traditional "lowend" sum of 10-20 gold, then listing of item is basically free. I guess it will be about 50 gold to stop people trying to sell there nonmax grapes and stuff like that.

And that is imho fair price for being able to afk sell item even if its worth just 1k, item that you would be unlikely to sell by normal trade spam and end up merching.

GL selling such items in guru auctions. Also, if its just click and enter price then it saves time you would spend by taking care if your sale thread ... id rather spend 1k listing soveral items and make it back by normal gameplay than spend considerable time taking care of thread with unlikely result.

fenix

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3 years too late, although it would be nice to have

Malice Black

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This system has the potential to be amazing, or fail miserably. This is if it is real though.

I'm opening the book on it failing at 5/2...any takers?

WinterSnowblind

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Even if this thing is real, why would anyone use it? I mean if it costs to list things in it, I'll just continue to use Guru Auctions were it costs me nothing to list of goods.

I'd buy from it, but not sell.
A small fee would stop people from spamming it with useless crap that's never going to sell.

JeniM

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hope it gives advised prices or something or i know i'll sell something for a few k then see it for 100k+ next day just because i don't know the prices for skins

Malice Black

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Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
A small fee would stop people from spamming it with useless crap that's never going to sell.
People will spam it with crap, this is certain. You'll see anything costing from 1million to 3g items.

Then you have the people who will make fake bids, then not have the cash to pay. This in turn will cost the seller more.

Bad idea for a game this old.

Rushin Roulette

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Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

Yup, and the best thing about it. It looks scam safe. Ie. you cant drop stuff so I can "look at it" or "my inventory is full. Ill just change the offer quickly so you can accept".

To tell the truth, I believe the GWG sales threads will drastically shrink then. mainly because there are no rediculous 24 hour bump rules (I can see why they are needed, but from a users standpoint they are rediculous) and no running after a buyer and trying to organize a trade over various timezones and gaming times.

The only things I forsee as problematic would be high end trades, but you can probably remove the items from listings and agree a price for a regular trade. Also trading Pre- and post-searing might be a small coding problem.

Id happily pay small ammounts of gold to list things (maybe in ebay manner of pay a fixed percentage of the asked price if its sold).

zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JeniM
hope it gives advised prices or something or i know i'll sell something for a few k then see it for 100k+ next day just because i don't know the prices for skins
Just do what all traders would do: search marketplace for that skin and figure out price from that.

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Celestial Beaver: one of error messages asks player if he is sure he wants to buy dedicated minipet in marketplace. Code is fresh.

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a) fee is mentioned in dat file, but it does not mean it must be/will be implemented in final version
b) it is necessary unless you want newbies flood marketplace with every blue item they find. Aka, it makes sense to add this cost.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black
People will spam it with crap, this is certain. You'll see anything costing from 1million to 3g items.

Then you have the people who will make fake bids, then not have the cash to pay. This in turn will cost the seller more.

Bad idea for a game this old.
People spaming crap will run out of money and will have their inventory flooded with said crap. They will sooooon stop doing it and just merch crap.

There will be no fake bids. Because there will be no bids. You press buy button and either buy or not depending on your fiscal status. AKA, no buyer will influence price for other buyer.

prism2525

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i'd be glad to pay 10-50g (heck even 100g) to list the ton of 1k items I wanna sell.

Beats getting 200-400g from the merchant any day.

Malice Black

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Set price only is worse. Most the population is clueless to current market value.

We'll be seeing -

Dead Sword Req9 15^50 20/20 +30 = 100k+50e...because 20/20/+30 is leet therefore requires a high price.

Cynical I am..

Shadow Kurd

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It might as well have been a project that was halted and left in the gw.dat, don't get your hopes up

Drop of Fear

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
Set price only is worse. Most the population is clueless to current market value.

We'll be seeing -

Dead Sword Req9 15^50 20/20 +30 = 100k+50e...because 20/20/+30 is leet therefore requires a high price.

Cynical I am..
and who's supposed to buy such crap? noone will. specialy if u can click "sword upgrades" and buy 20/20 for 10k and 30hp for 7k

don't really think marketplace is coming, might be left an early test for a gw2 feature and never see the light of the day

WinterSnowblind

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
Set price only is worse. Most the population is clueless to current market value.

We'll be seeing -

Dead Sword Req9 15^50 20/20 +30 = 100k+50e...because 20/20/+30 is leet therefore requires a high price.

Cynical I am..
And that's why the fee for putting up items is a good idea. If you put up a lot of crappy items, or ridiculous prices, nobody is going to buy them, and they're just wasting money. Sooner or later they'll give it up.

It's certainly not a perfect idea, but it would be a great addition to the game.

MagmaRed

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Anet is laughing right now as they read this thread.

"That fake crap we put in the DAT is working perfect! People are browsing through it, and finding all the crap we aren't using!!! LOL What can we add next? Can we put in a new fake mini Gaile for fun?" - Anet staff member

Esan

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I would love it if this were an elaborate prank pulled by bored Anet devs.

onerabbit

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Thanks to all the guru [mods]

Well it might be in the .Dat, but that doesnt mean they will release it.
just like the Mini polar bear, that was in there for over a year? ..

Anet might just scrap it and add it to gw2 instead.


Edit: and yeh, add a fee, like WoW .. pay so much for how long you put it on the AH.

[Morkai]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette
Yup, and the best thing about it. It looks scam safe. Ie. you cant drop stuff so I can "look at it" or "my inventory is full. Ill just change the offer quickly so you can accept".

To tell the truth, I believe the GWG sales threads will drastically shrink then. mainly because there are no rediculous 24 hour bump rules (I can see why they are needed, but from a users standpoint they are rediculous) and no running after a buyer and trying to organize a trade over various timezones and gaming times.

The only things I forsee as problematic would be high end trades, but you can probably remove the items from listings and agree a price for a regular trade. Also trading Pre- and post-searing might be a small coding problem.

Id happily pay small ammounts of gold to list things (maybe in ebay manner of pay a fixed percentage of the asked price if its sold).
A way to solve the Pre->Post thing = Don't allow access to the Auction House (or whatever?) in Pre-Searing.

Dione Davore

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I'm looking forward to any official comments from Anets side.

If there are costs to put up an item (like 100g a day) I'd save myself some time and quit posting everything on guru. That's for sure.

Sub Frost

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Always nice to say "we are getting something", purely based on speculation.

Neo Nugget

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This should be interesting, probably gonna be a test run or something.

oh and....http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...#Xunlai_Market

the Puppeteer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
This should be interesting, probably gonna be a test run or something.

oh and....http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...#Xunlai_Market
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What is the Xunlai Market and why do you ask? -- Gaile 05:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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makosi

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"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

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One of the reasons that merchanting, historically, has been such a great earner in GW is that information channels are limited. To decipher the value of your items, you had to rely on either your own experience or research through forums.

Merchants use their time and knowledge to exploit the market and the ignorance and others (which sounds worse than it really is) and profit from it. A so-called Xunlai Marketplace might close the knowledge gaps of the Average Joe by having items and prices listed in an accessible location.

I'd like this to go ahead but I don't believe it will because of the possible strain it might have on the servers.

Neo Nugget

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Quote:
Originally Posted by makosi
One of the reasons that merchanting, historically, has been such a great earner in GW is that information channels are limited. To decipher the value of your items, you had to rely on either your own experience or research through forums.

Merchants use their time and knowledge to exploit the market and the ignorance and others (which sounds worse than it really is) and profit from it. A so-called Xunlai Marketplace might close the knowledge gaps of the Average Joe by having items and prices listed in an accessible location.

I'd like this to go ahead but I don't believe it will because of the possible strain it might have on the servers.
But weapons don't usually stay at the same price for a long period of time.

pamelf

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i hope it gets released. It seriously would be the best addition to the game. I hate having to stay in a district with WTS being copied and pasted every few minutes.

Even if it's just a test they do before GW2, I'd love to see how it runs.

Rocky Raccoon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sub Frost
Always nice to say "we are getting something", purely based on speculation.
I totally agree, wishing and hoping doesn't make it true.

tmr819

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Even if this thing is real, why would anyone use it? I mean if it costs to list things in it, I'll just continue to use Guru Auctions were it costs me nothing to list of goods.

I'd buy from it, but not sell.
That's your choice, but most players would prefer an in-game AH to guru, fees or no fees. The AH in WoW charges a fee and it works just fine. The fee, as others have stated, cuts down on spam listings.

To the OP, it's an interesting find. I hope you're right about it coming to pass. But aren't a lot of things in the .dat file just ... extra junk and extraneous files?

lyra_song

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Theres lots of things thats created but never activated or hasnt been activated yet or is deprecated code.

I wouldn't look too hard into it guys. Considering this stuff's been in there for about a year now.....