Are all the proffessions equal in pve pugs?

My main problm is with Ursan blessing
I would have no porblem with this skill if it was nerfered down a bit but, comon! I am a necro by nature and everytime I try to enter a fow/uw group they say your not an ele or ursan for our uranway group. Only 55hps want me now

So what I asking is, is now with ursan blessing and such pve skills (and dervishes but that topic gets people pissed off, so I will 'try' to leave dervished out of it) can pugs exist with all 10 professions having a use or have some now been rendered usless

The reson i pit this in riverside inn rather than Q&A is that I feel it is more opinion.

if anything ursan opens up the game to more professions.


It used to be elite areas would always demand certain professions to fit a certain team build and thats all there was to it. Noob pugs would be unwilling to try anything different and class discrimination grew.

Well now Ursan allows any profession to join any ursan group and go, there is no worry if you're a mesmer trying to get into a DoA group cuz, if you've got ursan you're welcomed.

Now I know, thats not an ideal situation, I myself don't like how ursan is totally the "in thing" and now no one can run anything but ursan. However it has indeed alowed some "unwanted" professions into certain areas they used to never be accepted into.

Last time I checked necromancers were plenty viable and wanted in FoW. Is there a reason you HAVE to pug?

Roshanabey, all professions were never equal in pugs.
Mesmers and rangers often had a hard time getting into groups way back before Factions was released, and I'd imagine rits and assassins also have that problem now.

I'd have to say though, I'm a little perplexed as why they won't take you as an ursan, if you have a high enough rank anyone can ursan easily - certainly warriors with their high AL will always be better off, but ursan really is the "anyone and everyone" build.

At the same time, Ursan has enough potential to do even more damage than normal class discrimination. If you were an "unwanted profession" you could at least reroll into the "wanted" class, but if you don't own GW:EN then you're in somewhat of a rut.

So in essence it could probably hurt just as much as it can help. Nonetheless, people are still probably not playing how they want to (I'd safely assume Mesmers and the like would want to play as a spellcaster, not as something that hits things.)

Tbh, I think when it comes to certain things (that last area that you just can't seem to do), a lot of people will play as whatever gets the job done, even if it isn't really their favoured method.

Necro ursan gets soul reaping, so you shouldn't have any problem getting into PUGs.

Paragons shouldn't have any problems, either, but (lol) they do.

That's not true, at least as far as DOA is concerned. I've been trying to find a group with my Ele and been told WARRIORS with URSAN only!!!!!! If you aren't a warrior or a monk you are not welcome in DOA anymore.

It's a shame, because I don't have a warrior at the end of NF yet, only an Ele but it looks like I won't be getting a sneek peak at the DOA area anytime soon.

I'm confused... why are u trying to join a ursan group, if you're not using ursan?

Normal(balanced) groups still do uw/fow, and i've always seen a necro on them.

Eh I have seen plenty of ele's in Ursan groups in DoA, I Uway there myself as an ele, same in UW.

MY primary char is necro.

I know how it goes, and understand the OP totally because i had the same issue some day. anyway you say change to a different character, but that defies the point here a bit, i can certainly change to whatever profession they want but those arent my main characters, yes i might get a statue on them but its pretty useless if i got it with a non main char.

But i dont get the ingame community at all, they all do the same thing, that is run this type of build and nothing else, almost like they are afraid to try something NEW for a change.

Some professions are more equal than others.

There are people who want to get a challenge and create builds while there are those who want to get the job done. Nearly all PuGs are the latter and have never tried anything new. Its always been one team set up until it ether gets nerfed or a new more efficient one pops up.

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Oh my ****ing goodness you are ******. Why on the bloody hell do you want to join Ursanway group without Ursan Blessing? And like when group asks for Monk do you get your wammo and start argumenting that "it's like a monk just W primary, I got 8 healing skills"? Start your own noob group for profession viability. Chances are, not many people want to join. Why's that? Because PUGs SUCK and people usually want to get STUFF DONE and NOT FAIL.

Some of the answers you got are kinda rude, but yea ursan allows mesmers, assassins, ritualists, and whoever else is discriminated against to get into elite areas they never could in normal pugs. I've done all on my ele, cleared uw and fow 10+ times each, doa 5+ times, deep and urgoz (not as ursan, but I think that would have been quicker)

So yes, please don't join an ursan group if you're not an ursan. There's a reason they're called ursan groups. Reminds me of a group I was in recently, I joined as an ursan, asked to make sure it was ursan, then someone was trying to rush rush rush into fow and someone else asked to ping builds, turned out I was the only ursan

Profession inequality is part of the game, PUGs will never know how good you actually are, so they will judge you based purely on your profession, which is the beauty of Guilds and the Friends list.

Also, Ursanway is called Ursanway for a reason, the only reason you should not have Ursan is if you are a monk. That's that and I doubt anything you say or do will make a PUG change it's mind.

For PuGs:

Monk > Ele > Warrior > Necro > Everything else

In terms of actual effectiveness:

Paragon > Rit > Warrior > other physicals > other casters > Mesmer

Presler: I'm not saying that rolling a new characters is the best solution. I'm saying at least that's what you can do when someone's in such a situation. All campaigns have all the core professions, so if you are "unwanted" and fed up with a lot of the bullshit at least you can do that. But if you don't have GW:EN there's not a whole lot you can do.

You might as well yell at mesmers for not being an elementalist.

- Rits are really poor. Probably the worst primary profession for PvE. Assassins can do damage, Mesmers have Signet of Illusions and decent PvE skills. Channeling is the only viable tree.

- I'm not criticizing what profession/skillbar person runs. I'm criticizing that people think their supposed right to join any kind of party with any profession/skillbar goes above other people's right to play the way they want to play.