Mini Pig Woes...

It's right in your computer chair. Read what I typed again, slowly. I said that it may have been an old ticket.

Are you telling me that not one single person is selling mini pigs in Kamadan? We both know that's bull. The difference is that you don't want to pay the asking price. You'd rather whine, and whine about it. Stop being spoiled and lazy. Go play the game for the rewards you want to EARN instead of crying on a forum.

Re-read that last sentence.

"Go play the game for the rewards you want...."

Yeah, I'll just "play" the game and earn 100k.

What you are describing is not a fun game to play. It sounds more like work to me.

The only way playing guild wars is real "work", is if you're a chinese gold farmer or the like. If you have to "work" (for real) at a game to enjoy the rewards it offers, it's not a "game"....is it?

Lots of people enjoy "earning" money and buying "expensive" items. That's how they "play". There's nothing wrong with that.

...now excuse me while I fix my quotation button.

This is called "farming" and not everyone enjoys doing it, nor do they have infinite time to do it.

Are you saying that people that simply play through the game, do the side quests and the missions, but don't farm don't deserve rewards? Not everyone is made of gold ya know. They buy skills, a single set of 15k armor, and maybe a green weapon or two. I doubt a lot of average players horde gold and as such won't be able to afford 150k for 5 pigs.

And are you saying that once somebody "finishes" the game they should get everything they could possibly want at little or no cost?

I hope that's not what you are suggesting. It's ridiculous.

"guild wars" > "I want what you have, so I should have it just because wars"

Quoted for the absolute truth. it is a shame...so much potential....so little results.

No, I'm not saying that in the least. But prices, rewards, should not be so outlandish that the average player cannot reasonably attain it. (without hours of slavish farming)

Some of us feel we put in the effort last year for the damn pigs. Farming the needed items for the feast was NOT easy and if you couldn't attain them that way, they cost ungodly amounts to get what you needed. My guild sponsored 2 districts last year (all 6 of us, of which only 2 of us were on) so we could be nice and get everyone a pig. Just goes to show that being nice gets you kicked in the ass.

Anet never truely rewards the casual player, and i dont think they should start handing out freebies. If you reward casual players, all its doing is saying "hey your achievement is nothing" to the hardcore players who had it first or worked to get it.

Everyone likes cheap items, and i know the economy is FUBAR but you have to at least try to keep it close to what is currently is and not completely kill it off.

People easily had 10+ minis just by visiting a few events and district hoping. The mini pig was supposed to be rare, thats why the chance of them dropping from fortunes was so low. But the chances and amount created byt the server was lower than expected, so they made it available to everyone for consolidation. The result however was they overpopulated the system with mini pigs.

In order to bring back value to the mini pig they decided on a collector to remove mini pigs from the market and create new mini pets at the same time. In a sense, Anet believed they gave out over 5 times as many mini pigs as they desired last year. If you kept those extra mini pigs from the festival, and had five to spare, they decided to essential upgrade your mini pig to a celestial mini pig. The amount of mini celestial pigs that exist by the end of the event is mostly likely the number of mini pigs Anet wanted to give out the first event.

All this is an upgrade to your mini pig, saying you earned your mini pig. You went to festival and got your mini pig fairly, and not because of Anet's overdumping of pigs into the economy.

So yes, they probably messed up. But everyone on the planet should still have at least 1 mini pig. If you like your mini pig, keep it. Most of did very little to earn it. Some of you were given it by those who had too many. Some went to the event and got 10+s and said they aren't worth crap and i need storage space so you threw them out or gave them all away. You didnt give them away because they were worth something or you were being selfless. You gave them away because you had to many, and thought here's a chance to make me look good and give something away someone else might have missed out on. Some of you genuinely collected multiples, for other friends, and for that you are sincere. But none of you can complain because they gave everyone PLENTY of mini pigs and chances to obtain them.

Personally i kept three on each of my mains, and decided one of them to my HoH on my title character. Luckily my friend dedicated his and didn't have the money or the desire to upgrade to the celestial pig, so he gave it to me. So i shelled out the 20k for a dedicated pig and upgraded to a Celestial Pig, and I'm proud of it, and plan on dedicating it.

Maybe I'll buy 5 more, turn it into a mini celestial pig, and hold on to it to sell or profit later. Everyone should realize it, because they all are QQing about it, that mini pigs and mini celestial pigs will only go up in value. So you have plenty of time and opportunity to invest in the market and turn it around and make profit. Its smart and its better than crying on a forum thread.

To those of you who don't have the money, sell a few things or farm the money, and invest and try to make a profit. Hell if you dont have enough to buy all 5 pigs, buy 1 and resell it higher until you can buy more pigs. You should easily be able to sell them in in this overflooded marketed. I was willing to pay up to 30k for my mini pig. I didn't advertise that cuz of course i want to get it for cheap as possible. I said wtb mini pig - pm price in Kamadan and immeadiately got a hit for 20k so i bought it. I probably could have haggled down to 15k or 17k but i didnt. I also could have turned around and sold it for 30k to someone, because i know there are people out there who will pay that for the quick and easy sale who just need one or two, and can spare the money.

So stop complaining. You have your mini pig. Its just not all of you can have a mini celestial pig, which is exactly how the mini pigs were supposed to be the first time around. You got one free mini pet. Accept that ANet is giving you a great festival and games and a chance at the hat again and two new mini pets and another special suprise. It just so happens one of those mini pets isn't a cake walk to get.

If you really want that mini celestial so bad, you'll find a way to EARN it.

Deal with it. Life's not Fair. And Nothing is EVER Free.

For interest's sake, I want to know what the sheer monetary return would be for a player to complete all 3 chapters, and GW:EN. Without buying any "rewards", or prestige items...I'll bet there's alot of scratch earned.

Even more than what a single Celestial Pig would sell for, I would wager.

That's sort of beside the point, but honestly I don't know. However, even without "prestige" items, people still by skills and cap sigs, which max out at 1k a piece, normal armor and runes, max weapons, and any title they may want.

Not really. I would assume an "average" player could finish the campaigns. What they could amass in wealth is important to the discussion, and what many feel they are entitled to (and wrongly, I might add).

Who the hell would have 5 mini pigs a year after?

Especially since they were worthless. Thanks a bunch ANet.

Holy lord, that pig is ugly. Just like the Rat, it looks like a graphical error.

A celestial Dragon or Phoenix...I'd be on board. The little scrape of a few stars really makes it hard to see.

I dig ugly.

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Hi,

The main issue for me is, the fact that ANeT added a item to the game that the only way to get it is buying the require items from other players. There is no other way. Everything else in game you can get it your self if you chose so, with more or less effort (and yes, there are items almost impossible to get to some but, theoretically you can get them your self).
Seriously, the very few people that have more than one mini-pig its only because they forgot that they where in one of there "mules".
ANeT needs to add another way to acquire the Celestial mini-pig or the mini-pigs to trade in. There is no discussion about this!

Fortunately I can afford to buy the mini-pigs required if ANeT decides to keep things as they are but, I would prefer to get it with my effort like everything else.

Have fun,
impression

I wake up and to my disgrace I see 5 Minipigs required for the new mini, well thanks Anet for the "good"morning. Upon seeing the Celestial Rat picture I said NO It's too ugly to be worth 5 pigs. So I guess I'll keep the one pig I have left. Really disappointed.

Haha! So glad this mini is ugly as sin. I guess now I don't care.

Well -the celestial pig is ok I guess - but it looks so much like the rat (which I got in my 3rd fortune) that there is no point in having both. Guess I'm glad I didn't bother to buy more pigs.

So gold magically appears in your inventory? It took no effort to get it there? Share your secret, so the rest of the people crying here can do the same and buy the glowing peice of pork.

This is simply not true, especially when it comes to Mini-pet distribution. What could a player do to get a Kuunavang or Varesh mini? Now that the promotions have passed, the Asura, Destroyer, Grawl, Cetradon, etc. are completely unavailable to players except through trade. There are plenty of minis that are available only through player trade at any given moment in time. After the event is over, the two new celestial minis will be in the same category.

The fact of the matter is, Minis have no effect on game-play, and ANet has no problems making them available in limited quantities or time frames. And rightly so, as a general principle.

I am a little bit disappointed by this Mini trade in. I only had one mini from last year (from fortunes, didn't have factions at the time). But I have no problem with them wanting to handle it this way, I have all weekend to grab a few pigs from lower sellers and get the mini. Already got 2 at 10k each, and I'm not particularly in a rush to be the first to have the new mini.

THIS IS MADNESS!- 5 pigs to get a celestial pig 1YEAR LATER!!!! I had loads of them and GAVE them away last year. Guild Wars gets worse and worse and I play less and less....shame used to be fun

I'm not sure how many pigs I have left, but probably not enough. I am not overly upset about, but slightly aggravated.... Yes I gave definitely more than 10 pigs away, to guildies and strangers that missed the event last year.

in the end.... the message they are sending is.... if you are nice, you'll get screwed over by us... which is quite different from what they were saying last year....

This is what Gaile said last year

AND this

This is last years Mini Pig Give Away Thread 4 pages.

in the end... those that chose to hoard the extra pigs last year, instead of joining in the great community effort (/sarcasm) and giving them away to friends or players that had missed out on the event.... are the ones that will get rewarded

As much as over the past 33 months I have not always cared for some decisions made by ANET, I have never really complained ( ok here and there :P ) This time, though, it really feels like a slap on the face!

in the end... life goes on

QFT

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This move a-net is.. what do u call it?.... sick! Way to go. U know what the price is per pig now ? 30k Its INSANE!

Yes, seriously, it's not about the pig at this point... it's the contradiction!! I am just really disappointed how quickly we forget

I don't think Gaile is being a hypocrite, it's not her decision to trade 5 pigs for 1. I am sure she did think it was a great thing to do.What we did last year WAS an amazing community effort. I got a few PM's from people that wanted pigs, and I gave them away. I don't regret that at all. It made their day back then, and I wouldn't change that.

What bugs me is how quickly they forgot that most people did give the pigs away. Those that hoarded them, instead of sharing them, are now the ones being rewarded.

Money is besides the point, If the collector accepted 100k instead of a item that only dropped one year ago I wouldn't mind it.

The anniversary minis you have a change to get. The promotion pets you could also get if you wanted at the time of their release.
This is not the case with celestial pig.

Have fun,
impression

I have three Oinks, no celestial piggeh for me!


Ho hum, whatever.

Ya it so crappy that last year there was only Mini Pig that it and now there a Celestial Mini Pig for 5 pigs. Though the people got alot of them sold 500g-3k back then. Ya they be 30k now for the Celestial Mini Pig Trader. Wonder how much is those Celestial Mini Pigs and Rats be.

Kuunavang and Varesh are the CE minis. And you had a chance to get the mini pigs the first time around (last year), and by extension the Celestial pig by saving them. There is nothing you can do short of trading in game right now to get the new pig, but there was a way to get it without trading .. just like the promotional minis (albeit one that was unexpected and contrary to what many people did, hence the slight disappointment).

My other point (that you didn't comment on) is that Minis are so entirely optional that does it really make a difference if some minis are hard to get to the point of limited availability? Or if you have to trade to get some of them? If you can't get a mini celestial pig, does it really matter?

The celestial pig won't exactly win any graphics award nor win miss pig universe. Miniature is like a vice-president, the most important useless thing there is around at the moment.

If ANET pursue this line of idea, 10 more years of GW1, will make a complete collection of Chinese Zodiac menagerie.

Anyway, gratz to those who got their Celestial pig.

Your post really doesn't address the problem with this thread.

Rahja is a very charitable person, this is a given.

But this thread is a complaint reneging on this charity.

It's not about greed, it's just rather ridiculous, if you must know.

ANet does most things wrong, but this is not their fault.

This is your fault for underestimating standard human greed, in comparison to one's own charity.

It's not trolling 'Friday', despite your oversensitive defense of this thread.

No it isn't. This is a thread calling attention to ANet's immensely poor grasp of the dynamics of their own game.

I'll re-emphasize it again.

"This is your fault for underestimating standard human greed, in comparison to one's own charity. "

So I just clicked on the collector and I read this line, I wonder if it means something.

You can emphasize is, re-emphasize it, and put it on a pedestal for all I care. It's a pointless remark and it falls short of having anything to do with what this thread is about.

This thread isn't about what players did, do or feel. It's about how ANet failed.

I think i agree with the poster earlier who said that this is just a way for Anet to get rid of their extra pigs and manipulate the economy.

5 pigs for 1 FFS.......

Why don't people ever gracefully understand that charity deserves no reciprocity.

It's the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing definition of charity.

And why can't you (gracefully or otherwise, I don't care) understand that regardless of whatever useless platitudes you have to offer, it's still not a good idea to go out of your way to screw over charitable people?