Mini Pig Woes...

Celestial_Kitsune

Celestial_Kitsune

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Me/

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I MP I

I MP I

Hustler

Join Date: Nov 2006

in between GW2 servers

Mo/

LOL Thats awesome I just happen to have 5. *goes to trade them in*

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

So my prediction is right. It's indeed the celestial pig.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

nice the new minipet is already solidly worth over 100k just for the pigs to make it, I'm boycotting this event...

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

I is conflcted

I is happy that I was wrong posts above, I is happy its a new Minipet, I is sad I only have 5 Minipigs, I would have liked to be able to at least keep 1 to have the Mini Pig and the Celestial Mini Pig

I MP I

I MP I

Hustler

Join Date: Nov 2006

in between GW2 servers

Mo/

Love the new celestial pig. thx Anet! Pic in attachments.

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodiak
I is conflcted

I is happy that I was wrong posts above, I is happy its a new Minipet, I is sad I only have 5 Minipigs, I would have liked to be able to at least keep 1 to have the Mini Pig and the Celestial Mini Pig
get celestial over weekend, nad get a normal pig a few weeks later, after event pigs are worthless again, i;d think anyway

Aerian_Skybane

Aerian_Skybane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

House of Caeruleous [HoC]

R/E

Unless pigs are gotten again in this years lunar fortunes, this is a very odd and not quite forethought plan by ANet indeed.

And to whomever attacked me for "attacking" Rahja, please read A) all of my posts and B) All of my posts and exactly what I am asking.

You will learn not to quote me wrong again.

Qwertyfied

Qwertyfied

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ireland

DVDF

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Love the celestial pig, thanks anet

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

Sorry to say this but:

Quote:
Gaile Gray: More then 2, Less then 12
Gaile Gray: Dont buy many
Pardon me...
  • 2 is a couple
  • 4 is a bunch
  • 5 is MANY
3 was a nice number...

Quote:
Originally Posted by I MP I
Love the new celestial pig. thx Anet! Pic in attachments.
At least the celestial Mini Pig seems Boar size. The Mini Pig was just TINY, though I love him. It's Oink after all!

Tantra Existantance

Tantra Existantance

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Ireland

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Meh, it's alright. Seen it coming a long way off though, the re-skin I mean.

Celenia

Celenia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Atrum Argentum

Me/

ONE is a nice number. I want to keep my mini piggies!! I *like* them. I'd also like to have one of these new pigs. C'mon Anet, throw us a bone here. Just this once?!

Mr. G

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

well its seems its true, you need FVIE (yes FIVE) pigs to get the celestial pig

another item confined to whose who can afford it eh? pity i was a nice person and gave my 6000 pigs away to people who missed the evnt or didnt have mini's

Mr. G

Mr. G

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

S. Wales

Mo/Me

ONE is a very nice number, especially for us who dont have 10 slots for 10 mule,s, or gave our pigs away in the act of being nice

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

P/

New one doesnt look that good. I'm keeping my pigs.

Starsky-sama

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

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most hilarious thing up-to-date in the World of GW.

after reading from other thread that you could trade in a dedicated one (since I only had 1 ded pig), I thought, "cool, wouldnt mind one"

/NoT...there goes the dream...lol

btw. the celestial look does make minis (or would make them) look pretty darn cool. I'd have to say that that's the only plus with this idea though.

/bring on the celestial rat...

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

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I'm just really glad I hate all mini's and have nothing to do with them - stupid useless items

Hole Sale Traps

Hole Sale Traps

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

TCI The Crimson Invasion

R/Mo

They are pretty worthless.. i could be spending my money on important things like..armor, runes, booze, among other things..

ragnagard

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

In Spain, of course

Gamer Espa??ol[GE]

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ragnagard
According to the statics I normally do for other collector things, its easy to estimate how much minis we'll need: 5.
Collector armor: 5 items, Number of cookers last canthan new year: 5, Items for each part of the minimoa ingredients: 5 ..... uuuumm 5 seems the round number.
Hope I am wrong and it will be 3 or less but.... 5 is more than 2, less than 12 and common...
I am proud of my divination skills now...... :S If i would predicted 3....

Feathermoore Rep

Feathermoore Rep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Feathermoore Clan

R/Mo

Yay i only have to buy one pig to get the new mini :-). So there is good in giving each of my main characters a mini pig, other than to just have one for kicks. :-p

Oh and if your smart you'll buy your mini pigs now, before they are all traded and dedicated and go up in price ;-)

take_me

take_me

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Country Roads [HOME]

I only had 3 Pigs... the last 2 were kinda expensive, but I like my new Celetial Pig

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

But it certainly is a pain that the average player who either didn't save 5 pigs from last year or doesn't have the 100k-500k to buy the 5 pigs, or doesn't want to spend the 100k-500k to buy the 5 pigs are pretty much screwed or encouraged to break the EULA just so they can havethe nice new 'FREE" mini pet...

Randvek

Randvek

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Rise From the Ashes [phnx]

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The thing that really sucks about this is that it's a reward to people who hoard. I've given away tons of minipigs. So have hundreds, nay thousands, of other people.

Good thing we have ArenaNet to tell us that no good deed goes unpunished, eh?

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...&postcount=230

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
There is a fine line that we tread, as developers. You can see the variances that result in having a large and committed community in the comments in this very thread. Some players -- I think a lot of them -- would like things to change, to be updated, to be improved. And yet, there are those who complain, for their own reasons, when that happens.

Players would like a new hat. Other players want the old hats. And no one sees that in fact, the hat is just an extra in this event, a traditional Asian/Canthan element of every New Year Festival. It is traditional in both game-world and real-world connotations, and it is not the end-event gift, which is different than last year. If you're familiar with traditional "Chinese New Year" events you see celebrants dancing down the street with lion masks every year. Therefore, the lion hat is a good representation of the influences that bring us Canthan festivals. And again, it's not the end gift. So may I respectfully ask that we move on from complaints about not having a new hat?

The Miniature Pigs: There are just too many of these "out there" in the overall scope of things. Too many people got them in too many final events last year and they have (or at least had) a rather pitiable value. The fact that too many received them last year is the reason that minis are not the end-event gift this year. Changing that will make things more meaningful on several levels. The large number of minis is why the designers came up with a nice (and agreeable) means to balance the Miniature Pigs while rewarding players who did have them and did choose to keep them. For if you think about it, the most dedicated miniature collectors are probably the ones for whom a trade-in will mean something, and they are the ones who may still have them, or will be incented to trade for them. A lot of the dissent about the exchange offer seems to center on elements other than the core factor, and that core factor is this: Players have the ability to acquire a new item, which is something that players request all the time.

The messaging: I asked James if I could give a number. James said that he did not want to give a finite number, thinking that (and this is something that I understand and agree with) in a festival where much is repeated, there should be some level of discovery, some level of surprise. Giving any sort of number at all, even a range, was truly a concession, and the choice might have been, "We don't choose to say; wait until Friday to find out." I'm sorry that some of you disagree with that, but in the end, it's not a decision that you will be making. Despite whatever objections you make, I can safely predict that we will never post an events page with all the details, all the numbers, all the stats. This is because, as a development team, we don't think that "full disclosure" is a necessary or good idea in a situation like this. We feel that having all the info out there would dilute the event and make it overly predictable and empty of discovery or surprise. I personally feel it reduces a fun experience to a session of number crunching, and whilst I greatly respect the number crunchers in our game, I think that the focus should be the full experience, not merely the data. In short, all event information, all the time = less fun factor. (Again, I know some of you disagree. Please do not restate what you've already said on the subject. Truly it is understood.)

With each of these things that some of you are concerned about, we know there are pluses and minuses. We've assessed each of the elements, each of the new offers and gifts and events, and we truly believe that the net for each is a significant positive. I'd like to invite you to try to weigh things within The Big Picture, and to try to see this as we see it. Not looking at one's personal inventory, or someone else's hat collection, but considering the community as a whole.

I will share your comments and your concerns, but in the end, I honestly believe that each of the concerns -- while certainly an opinion to which you are entitled -- is outweighed by the greater good.

The event has begun. I hope that you will enjoy it and I'll look forward to seeing you this weekend.

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

It's too bad they don't require 10 or 12 to trade in.

This isn't "commie wars" or "welfare wars". If you want something go out and work for it. Get those lunar fortunes or start saving to buy what you need to trade in for one.

I guess you people would prefer to eat a bean burrito and pull a celestial pig out of your asses?

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

Well this whole debackle has soured my desire to keep playing GW. So I guess it's for The Big Picture that I don't really feel like playing anymore...

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Anet must have cheat characters with infinite storage to think this idea made sense.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
It's too bad they don't require 10 or 12 to trade in.

This isn't "commie wars" or "welfare wars". If you want something go out and work for it. Get those lunar fortunes or start saving to buy what you need to trade in for one.

I guess you people would prefer to eat a bean burrito and pull a celestial pig out of your asses?
The amount of mini pigs is set. The fortunes don´t give you any pigs anymore. So sooner or later noone will be able to get a minipig anymore. So basically, if you have no idea, what you are talking about, shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up.

Ferrous Capuchin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chaos Piranha

Me/W

I'm torn...5 pig trade in makes the celestial pig into more of an "elite" minipet that is going to be out of reach for most.

OTH my 2 minipigs have just skyrocketed in value, even the dedicated one...I'll probably keep one and sell one.

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
The amount of mini pigs is set. The fortunes don´t give you any pigs anymore. So sooner or later noone will be able to get a minipig anymore. So basically, if you have no idea, what you are talking about, shut the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up.
Funny how a guildie just got one from a lunar fortune then huh (might have been an old fortune though)? Ignorance is rampant with you, friend.

Even if somehow what you claim is true, it doesn't change the fact that you can earn the money and buy it. Lazy whinners are running loose in this thread. Pass along the warning!

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
James said that he did not want to give a finite number, thinking that (and this is something that I understand and agree with) in a festival where much is repeated, there should be some level of discovery, some level of surprise
Really, I was sitting on the edge of my seat to find out how badly I was going to feel screwed over. What a nice surprise indeed!

Frogtree

Frogtree

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Atlanta, GA

-=XG=-

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Well I will put 2 cents in....what I have enjoyed about GW is the PVE aspect of the game and the ability to play with people from all over and have fun doing that. People have been very nice to my over the years and I have returned the favor by giving away max gold weapons, minis, etc to low level people. I never got into buying high-end things but tried to trade for things from time to time. The downfall has come to GW slowly with the introduction of heroes and is now complete with the whole pig thing. It is bad enough that no one is around to do runs with or help with HM areas but now the game has turned into a horde fest where no one will give anything away because one day it might be worth something. Or it appears that if you try to be nice and help people, which is what this game is suppose to be about, you get properly rewarded. Why do I fell like Cartman with the jerk in WOW killing him all the time for fun?

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

Last year:
What's that you say? You missed the event and didn't get a pig? Here, take one of mine....

This year:
What's that you say? You didn't keep at least 5 pigs for yourself? HAHAAHHAH LOL PWNT NOOB. Would you like to buy one of mine? It's on sale for 50k.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
Funny how a guildie just got one from a lunar fortune then huh (might have been an old fortune though)? Ignorance is rampant with you, friend.
Not "might", 100% sure:Lunar fortunes from 2007 were updated to Lunar Fortune [Year of the Pig]

The new ones are [Year of the Rat]. So the amount is set. Where is the ignorance now?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
Even if somehow what you claim is true, it doesn't change the fact that you can earn the money and buy it. Lazy whinners are running loose in this thread. Pass along the warning!
I didn´t know that you can force people to sell an item. Or that you can buy an item, that nobody is selling! How many players don´t have even one mini pig? How many players need 4 to get the needed 5? How many have been destroyed?

But sorry, I forgot: Don´t feed the troll!

Firebaall

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForgeWhelp
Last year:
What's that you say? You missed the event and didn't get a pig? Here, take one of mine....

This year:
What's that you say? You didn't keep at least 5 pigs for yourself? HAHAAHHAH LOL PWNT NOOB. Would you like to buy one of mine? It's on sale for 50k.
Last year:

Frickn' over run with minipigs, everybody and their 2nd cousin has 12, so they don't have any value other than novelty or subject of generosity.

[/b]This year:[/b]

You actually have to play the game (to earn some gold) to get a reward that's now worth something. God forbid....

Ebony Shadowheart

Ebony Shadowheart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

SSW

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Well I'm bummed. I was all excited about trading in plain piggies for the neat celestial one. However, I get shafted because I a)didn't get a hundred of the things last year, b)gave away the few extras I had to guild mates that had missed the festival (free bc i'm nice like that) and c) am not going to spend 500-friggin-k to buy more of them!

Anet you state that too many pigs were given out last year, thus decreasing the value. By putting in the collector you bump their worth, which was the goal. You could have easily made it that each person could only get 1 celestrial pig per account (or per char, or w/e) so that people with 1 or 2 pigs could get the celestial. Normal pigs would still be worth more, and the average player/nice person/etc that didn't keep a dozen pigs wouldn't get shafted! If I'm just gonna get kicked in the teeth for being nice, I am not going to do it anymore.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gli
Really, I was sitting on the edge of my seat to find out how badly I was going to feel screwed over. What a nice surprise indeed!
Agreed. That was the part that pissed me of the most. In fact I don´t know what I should think of it. Completly baffled by the stupidity.

Wrath of m0o

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

The new ones are [Year of the Rat]. So the amount is set. Where is the ignorance now?
Hey, isnt that an Al Stewart song?

Oh great, now we have a celestrial version of the most unwanted mini pet, whats next Obsidian Pre-Searing Armor?
Save your money, this Celestrial pig will proabably sell for 5k in a month.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebaall
Last year:

Frickn' over run with minipigs, everybody and their 2nd cousin has 12, so they don't have any value other than novelty or subject of generosity.

This year:

You actually have to play the game (to earn some gold) to get a reward that's now worth something. God forbid....
I kind of miss having cheap rewards. I got my mini-pig for 1k, and I love it.

But then again, I don't go out and farm either, so I guess I'm playing the wrong game...

Between this and the Mini Polar Bear, it seems Anet doesn't want to reward the casual player anymore. Too bad.

(also, how sad is it the only items worth anything in Guild Wars are frickin' mini-pets.)

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

Quote:
The Miniature Pigs: There are just too many of these "out there" in the overall scope of things. Too many people got them in too many final events last year and they have (or at least had) a rather pitiable value.
who the h*ll cares about the value???? That was not the point and if it was then maybe they should have thought about that LAST year...not this year...

welll guess its time to dedicate those last 2 pigs and put them in the trash bin since they dont have any 'value' for me (dont give a RATsass about another pig). It was really nice that everyone was able to get a gold mini----now. well.....

Anet misses the point again ,and again...............and again.......

miss it a few more times and they will wonder where all there players are.