rollerbeetle racing highscore cheating?

Wow nice analogy. You hit the bullseye.

was looking at the list I see your in the #17 spot grats...

luck does play alot in the game also free lag helps...

I prettyu much win EVERY time I don't have PvE scrub camping me...

However, getting a top-score is impossible for me, seeing how I, on average, get a SRB every 3-4 matches

I get SRB on average every 7-8 matches

Still hard to believe that they can all get lucky that many times, meanwhile the other 90% of us can't barely get any super beetles.

I heard Chuck Norris got Guild Wars trial account.

There are two people with a 2-3 top 100 scores that I've raced with and I know are just good. Definately better than me, and I'm pretty good. Granted my ping is generally under 200ms helps, but I win 3 of 5 matches, maybe if i play hard and right. But my best time is 464k with 1 echo+super and another super right at the end. However i got knocked down in the begining which really slowed me down.

1 KD can mess up a run. People who are poor sports can mess up runs. I've had several people just kd when im leading and far in the lead to just because im the leader.

To get 480k with 1 SRB is godly. No KDs, no distruptions, and Minimal lag, i think i could post a 460k time MAYBE with 1 SRB. I don't see how you can keep up the speed in certain segements to get a 480k time.

There are four main slow segments: in the cave, in the water/leading up to the big 90degree turn hill, the spiral bridge right after the hill, and then the last uphill stretch before the finish line.

With luck, you can hit echo+SRB at the cave and have 90% rrpm from the cave all the way past the 90degree hill. This is enough to easily get you 460k+ with no KDs. However, with the z-axis fail and who the hell knows how it calculates its rrpm/momentum gauge for speed, the abilty to keep speed up through the remain sections with just 1 boost and 1 ram is just hard.
I know that from the spiral bridge on is my weakest part of the races, but not matter what i try, i cant find a way to keep up speed through there.

But this isnt a how to post the best time thread.

The point is to have 2 people post over 50% of the best times is just wrong Putting aside the fact that multiples in the top 100 shouldn't be allow, there has to be more than just Luck going on here. Skill in this can only get you so far, and i'm thinking there has to be a few tricks in the game, that everyone else doesn't know about. Not cheats, but tricks. Ie (sometimes in the starting booth you can get more than 25% rrpm by strafing side to side really fast. or if you go diagonal down a hill you can gain rrpm faster) However i can't get these consistently to work.

But still it can't be jsut luck for two guys to run half of the top 100.

Unless you can actually prove he is cheating then no that is freaking retarded you would punish someone for being good. Stop QQ'ing.

and I heard no one cares except for one or two players.

I don't know, It's random I think, the speed buff and boost. Sometimes, i go f*ing slower going downhill?!

Yea the mometum/rrpm thing is sketch sometimes. I've noticed that to you can lose speed going downhill. I dunno it doesn't really make sense sometimes. I like when you put up ram to get up the hill and as your going down hill your rrpms drop from almost full to less than 40% randomly, as if your just going to stop going that fast downhill!?


But hey, i've given up for tonight. I've played like 100+ races got like 300 tokens and my highest score was 464k with 3 SRB (1 echo'd) with two KD's cuz some guy was a poor sport and KD me twice when i came back in range at the last corner after the spiral bridge.

I'm guessing they've found a map flaw and are exploiting the hell out of it. If so the secret will spread, and by this time tomorrow half the players will be using it.

exactly! i got 3 srb cause 1 was echoed. and I was in the 450's. I'm so sick of this honestly. I been playing for 8 hours literally and after probably somewhere past 50 wins i'm so so sick of this. There needs to be a different system.

i'm giving up for tonight.

i'm not sure but I think there might be a way to skip a wall... i could have sworn i seen this a few times but because you're not exactly watching that exact spot becuae you are racing i'm not too sure.

I forget but it's one of those hairpin turns that turn and go downhill afterwards, i know the second one has a box at the bottom and leads to the bridges. But heres what I think I seen before.

somehow I think i seen people from the top of the pathway before it hits the turn somehow get to the bottom of the turn without actually taking the turn, they somehow just jump to the bottom, going down to the next level and continuing on.

Now one time I was in first and I was hitting the turn to go downhill suddenly the light blue racer is at the bottom and its like...
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QFT

There's something broken in this system. I want to know where ANet is failing so I can cry at them more.

Actually, observer mode would be a good idea. You could actually get to see how they are doing it/ how many supers they get and give a bit of an even playing field to people to try and learn to get better.

ding ding ding

I use cheat codes in James Bond, sup?

It's beetle racing, just have fun!

who knew bug racing can get so epic that people have cheat o.O

such a shitty way to celebrate the canthan new year. you guys are complaining about this stuff like it's important. yeah, so some one person is taking all the spots or whatever, and it seems to me like that's something Anet could have looked out for, but you guys are crying about something really stupid. i like having my GW golds too, but you guys are fixating on a stupid issue as if it were holding you back from something so great. find another way to make your gold. don't lose sleep over some stupid minipets that are ugly, but valuable. sheesh. give gw a break and breathe just a little.

i have never sold a mini pet ever o.o i'm a collector. I want a mini beetle simply because i love beetles! especially those asian sumo wrestling beetles.

This is generally why I don't participate in these kinds of events... Someone always finds a way to exploit or grief and take fun away from others. Oh well the irony of this is that most people would probably show disrespect towards these individuals for wasting their time and ruining the experience for others.

I don't see anything wrong with achieving goals like beating the top score but to do such things as mentioned puts this person/s below the line of pathetic. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even care about RBR

My two cents /rant mode OFF :P

lets be honest, if it was down to pure luck, ie what powerups appear, then the top 10 would be full of different names.

Yeah, I wouldn't sell it myself. I'm some sort of collector with these, I buy the ones I like and sell the doubles I get.

But yeah... IMHO, having 2 guys having 25 positions each or something, kinda seems unfair. Doesn't affect me really, since I'm not even going to bother racing (got boring REALLY quickly for me last time), but still sucks for the other people trying to get one the "legit" way, if I could say so.

Ya, i was wondering how ouja and yuri got so many scores. It could be just really good luck, but they could have found soemthign different to do.

Agreed. There is something fishy about this.

Unfortunately Anet is unlikely to fix this problem THIS YEAR.

So, does anyone know if they will actually look at the unranked on the 100 list after they make sure only 1 person's score counts?

Luck is probably half of it, the other half being under handed methods, since we all race them same track and one person is bound to get lucky as much as the next. Synch-leaving would probably be the prime choice.

Fact is, no one really cares enough about it enough to figure out what these two are doing. If it mattered, there would be a lot more QQing. I mean, a lot more.

Well off of pure luck from getting multiple super roller beetles (after a few knockdowns near beginning) I got like 4 near the end where you spiral across 2 bridges, as well as in the water before the second to last check point.

167k something, but considering you need 170k+ to be on 100 board (dunno if I may get something if they take off all the duplicates and see other people who would normally be on there).

after playing just to get some lunar token finally gotten a lag free game with no KD and 2 SRB and the best I gotten was 460...forgot both came from the 1st and 2nd box...

if hacking a client like what people did on DoA I think it might be possible for someone to so something similar to this...

Several points:

1) In the most recent rollerbeetle events, most of the high scores get posted in the first 6-8 hours. This happens because for the first few hours other players are just plain bad (permitting clean starts) and because lag problems are relatively minor since not everyone and his brother is afk-ing Nine Rings yet. Lag owns beetle players chasing good times; rubber banding is fail.

2) The conspiracy theories are just plain wrong. Explain to me how you get six people to sync join a match 20+ times so that Yuris Sayuri could have had all those top 100 times in the first three hours. You can't. There's absolutely no way to sync that many people in to anything consistently.

The people that appear on the list multiple times are there because they know HOW to do everything that's necessary to consistently post times. This involves running the same fast line every time and defending against knockdown and disruption properly.

3) Obs mode would be a terrible idea. You'd then get a million people doing exactly the same things, and top times would come down to who has the lowest latency rather than skill. Explain to me how that would not fail.

Do what good players have done. Watch other good players. Experiment and try different stuff. Anticipate what the other players around you will do and defend properly.

4) The luck factor: You can't post a good time without lucky powerups. That said, Yuris's method is more consistent than mine, which is why he has all those times in the top 100 at present.

You're not timing your speed buffs right. Plain and simple. Just because you don't understand how to do it doesn't mean it requires cheating to accomplish it.

Yuris has a different method. I've seen him do it, and it's insane. (At the end of one of the prior beetle events, anyone that stayed out there could continue to play, so I literally raced against him for hours.)

Long and the short of it: he avoids water like the plague (including the water boxes) and spaces the speed buffs out VERY differently. He lags way behind at the beginning (saves Ram AND Dash out of the gate) and never uses the Ram/Dash method. Speed buffs are spaced way, way out. This returns very consistent 468+ times, and can post 480 if he gets lucky and catches an echo and a super from the two boxes he hits. EDIT: either a super or an echo from either box will post a top 100 time at present using that method. Personally, I'm not using it, because I'm swinging for the fences and the Holy Grail 484+ run.

I played with Ouija once earlier, and he appeared to be doing something similar but not identical.

I wonder where Ekelon is finding the extra two seconds with just an echo and a super? I was pretty certain from testing that 480-481 was the theoretical max on that, and that you'd need at least an echo from the box between checkpoints 4-5 to improve. Of course, I'm on DSL and that may well explain it. Pinging 175 when I'm not lagging is pretty fail.

But with obs mode we CAN watch good players.

Yea...... something is terribly wrong here.

First you say:

but then you go on to say:

So observer mode would be bad because people could watch and copy good players... but it's a good idea to watch and copy good players? So which is it?

But yeah, totally I get what you're saying. If somebody watches somebody else do an action then they must inherently be able to mimic that action. In fact, I watched all these juggling videos on Youtube and suddenly I'm like a juggling master.

Seriously man, this isn't the matrix. We can't download omgwtf roflcopter or whatever the #1 guy is right now just by watching him. And correct me if I'm wrong, but there's not a lot of options in a pathed race. Blow boxes, press skillz, go to finish line. Oh man stop copying me!

Also, I wanted to congratulate you on being the 7 millionth tool to use the word fail! Congratulations, we all knew you could do it.

The very fact that what the good players do could be copied simply by observing them, proves without any doubt that what they do is not really "skill". Their skill boils down to memorization, and knowing exactly what to do at every point on the track based off of memorization. And also, having had the luxury to have been told/figured out on their own on exactly what to do and when to do it (this is the one and only "skill-requiring" aspect of the whole thing, but that's not actually racing gameplay skill).

Anyhow, those who have figured that out are already just doing the same exact things as each other. No harm in destroying their "eliteness" of having this knowhow by opening it up to everyone else who hasn't yet figured it out via Obs Mode so that they can do the same thing. Figuring out how to do the race map in "the most perfectly exploitative way possible" is not a "respectable secret" that is worthy to be kept to a few "elite" players.

Sure, I post 450's if I don't get chain KD spammed and I don't combo Echo/SRB early on. 440 isn't an abnormal score if that's your method of posting scores.

You fail to appreciate how effective two Supers are in the hands of someone who knows how to use speed buffs.

No, look who I am playing with. You fail to see?

I figured there was something I wasn't doing quite right. The KDs are killer on any run, but considering KD free and no SRB I'd probably only consistenly post around the 450k mark, I guess I need to look harder into shaving off some time on my runs. And there are a few ways I know to shave some time so i guess ill go back and make some changes.

Guess it looks i overlooked the speed restriction on the water and got to caught up with getting echo+srb. :-p

1) You don't need to have an obs mode to see what good players are doing. Being able to watch a perfect run from start to finish is asking for WAY too much. However, you can see everything you need to see to reverse engineer how to post 470k+ just by being in the same run with someone good that gets an echo and an SRB early.

2) It's not like this stuff is hard. Juggling is considerably harder, but in either case you have to practice. But think this through for a second. This is a racing game. If an optimal line exists, and everyone knows about it, then everyone attempts to play it. If you've played rollerbeetle for any length of time, you know that touching other beetles is BAD, as it results in desynch for one or both players. This is why I say that outcomes would be determined solely by who has the lowest latency.

Even worse, an obs mode would kill creativity entirely. Which is the whole problem with a regularly available obs mode in this game in the first place. I think it's a great idea for monthly tournaments and special events, and that it's an obscenely poor idea otherwise.